Mini 1978: Do It For The Vine uPick Mafia [Game Over]

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Late start, but posting to say I'm aware this started. I'll have to delay my introduction by a day or so... I trust that won't be a problem.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

PRODS ARE RESET AND DONT BEGIN COUNTING TILL THE START OF THE 27th

MERRY KISS-MY-ASS

<3

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I'm just going to operate under the assumption that she is UCV until proven otherwise. Good find Byuakuya. You have been elevated to rank C, congrats.

VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes
VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes VOTE: celes

Wait, wait, I've been operating under the assumption the Maki = UCV thing was a joke everyone was in on. Are there those among us who believe it?

Where are we with that?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Oh, would you look at that. She really is UCV. Amazing what a quick ego search can do. I assume Byakuya quoted her altslip in that other game already?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

We need to create something for Maki, in order for her to convey her thoughts.

By looking at her ISO there are a few words she is allowed to say, If that is the case we can all agree on a few statments.

Guaacamole will equal i disagree.
Do the tango will equal I agree.
Pop the corn will equal This is suspicious.
Peel the mango will equal Contradiction.
We can also make combos to make simple sentences based on different variations of those above.

Do the tango!

If this restriction is fake, I love you. If it's real, I love you and Ginngie.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

This is the only good game on mafiascum, but I still haven't read it fully and it's only 14 pages. Horrible. String me up.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

U-uh sorry I always wanted to do that. EEEEEEEK I'm sorry! Please torture me with a pizza roller!

I can do you one or two better.

Hardclaim Kokichi's deadbeat father. Come give Daddy Kiyo a hug.

...I have nothing to contribute to this game yet!

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

If Mikan would gladiate someone who isn't town, I might do something.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Or she could gladiate me! That would be fun. If she feels like being lynched, anyway. But I would not suggest it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I don't think you're this confident about your towiness even though you did nothing AI as scum considering DRv3 just finished and you were kinda really scummy there.

So you don't believe I'm this confident in my ability to look town, and your evidence for this is a

scumgame

where I was scummy...?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

VOTE: Robbie Rotten

Early findings say Maki is town. I believe scum Maki would adopt a more forgiving approach to me. Grain of salt due to her restriction forcing her to alter her style.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Guacomole as a response to something will be I disagree but in the context of readlist will be Town.

But then she can't post saying something is town while not necessarily agreeing with it. Might I suggest "feed the rabbit" for disagreement?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

She already did that, Kokichi.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I cannot see any town motivation in Mikan's actions however, it seems ridiculous that any scum would put themselves to such a position like that.

A bunch of words that mean absolutely nothing. You sure sound like a real detective! Nee-heehee~

This post is pretty funny in the context of Kokichi's most recent post on Weeb and Togami. Not that it's AI.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I'm saying I think you would be only confident in your towniness when you're town.

This is true. But not sure what you're saying you think my alignment is.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Okay I had it

Gladiate Kokichi

I'll do Kaito tomorrow after I let people think their opinions matter for a bit.

I don't see why anyone uses a gladiate this way. It's pointless when you say you're going to switch to Kaito. There's no pressure on Kokichi or for anyone to vote Kokichi.
I'll take it back if you have some other plan, but I don't see it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Like I want Kokichi dead this gameday.

Oh.
I did think you meant tomorrow as in the 28th. That does clear things up.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

It's Kiyo,

Ali-

Tsumiki-san.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

That works.
So why is Kokichi scum? I feel like sheeping you now (since I have to and you're town) but I'd rather believe it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

IS SHOOTING THE TEACHER GROUNDS FOR EXPULSION

SERIOUS QUESTION MOTHERFUCKA

Only if she flips town. You're good otherwise.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Its mostly I hate his approach to my slot and I feel like it comes from opportunistic scum.
I don't see anything that really points towards him being town tbh
and even then
lynching kokichi is fun lmfao

I said it wasn't AI earlier, but perhaps the post I pointed out actually was considering the whole Weeb and Togami situation.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Weeb, I trust Togami's judgement more than I trust yours. I'd ask you wait.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I don't know how to read any of you in this game. My first confident read was Mikan, and then Celestia blew her up.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Usami, why do you accept that Byakuya's claim of the recruitment succeeding was true, but not the masonry? For all you know, he could be lying about being recruited at all, masonry or not. But you seem to accept this recruitment as fact despite a lack of evidence... and only doubt the masonry aspect.
I wonder why?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

VOTE: Kiyo

Tomato

It will be difficult to continue townreading you if you insist on misreading me...
I've wanted to think that scum Maki would believe in her ability to fool me as she has done in the past, but perhaps she's decided not to try such a thing, believing I would be too smart to be fooled

twice

. She herself has said I should not use such a fact to read her, so maybe it would be best to throw it out entirely.

Oh well. It does not matter quite yet. It's still night, after all. It would be unfair of me to claim town Maki should be able to read me always.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

It will be difficult to continue townreading you if you insist on misreading me...

This sounds like a contradiction. You're implying they are trying to read you, which means they would be town. Then why would that make it difficult, if you see they are trying to read/sort you?

Misreading in this context would mean "deliberately misreading" if she were scum. Though this comment was not very serious.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Also as a side project I'm reading this finished Dangan Ronpa game so I can figure out who you assholes are since YOU ALL SEEM TO KNOW

I'm only pretending to know a few of these to save face, myself.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

VNB: Do you have reads on Maki and Procatstinators?

Korekiyo comes off as town on a tonal level, we weren't too sure about this at first but their there's a followable logic to her questions and appropriate follow up. Kirigiri feels town for the same reason (455 and 463 is a good example of good follow up thinking.)

463 was in response to an error being pointed out. That reads as followup to you?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Some odd things definitely happened night one, but I doubt I'd be able to figure out what. Between the deaths and the claimed roles so far I've decided this game will probably not make sense until we can see all of it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

So not just me, then.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Not really.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

This is sort of a prod dodge. I'm sick and don't feel like posting, and tomorrow I am having wisdom teeth removed. I'll be back on the 3rd.

All I do have to say right now is I am very surprised

this

is the game you are all deciding to solve with mechanics.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

KYEEHAHAHAHA.

After you die the anthropologist with the shitty set of personalities is next.

I see your perception of the deep relationship between Sister and I is as shallow as your taste in men.

But even that is beautiful. I would be overjoyed to be the canvas by which you prove your ability to kill.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

If though, as unlikely as this might be, Jack did assasinate me, I advice not looking her way. It was a fools move, but not one coming from scum I believe.

Lynching Procats is the most optimal path.

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I do admire your drive, but even I don't wish to die here.
Unstable as she may be, Jack has seen the truth before the rest of you.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Ginngie specifically did not answer that when Jack asked, Kaito. I would say the fact is purposely up in the air.

I am not mafia, and this game certainly does not have as many clears as they would lead you to believe.

Our resident detective is, unfortunately, mafia. It is plain as day when one looks at 841.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I have good reason to believe actions in this game are not trustworthy. That is all I'm willing to say. Whether this is through a bastard mechanic or pefectly normal scum interference is less clear to me.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Of course, such a thing should be

obvious

when one considers everything about Weeb's role and Kyoko's claimed copy of it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Kyoko has failed the restriction a few times now, with no action from Ginngie and no mention of Kyoko losing any abilities. This is very different from Maki's confirmed restriction.
Weeb's shot on Celestia failed but Celestia didn't flip with anything that would stop it, yet Kyoko confirmed the existence of the dayvig.
I'm not saying anything that isn't, again, obvious.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Oh but, unrelated to that, please alignment swap me. I want nothing more than to see if it works!
If it actually does, consider me the fool.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

If it's fake, that would prove it.
If it's real... I don'r really mind being considered a villain.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

the only town usage of that pr though is on my slot because, again, if i were converted to scum i can still townside

no one else can do that

I'll be frank, I don't think the ability will work. But if you could confirm its use, I guess that would satisfy me.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

It occurs to me that while there's no way this ability would work on scum, it might actually work on town.
So, I would rather you did not.
This will be my only post today. I'm going to nap and watch Netflix.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

UC Voyager isn't Maki. That was a joke.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

She's been in a game with UC Voyager.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I have decided this to be optimal for now.
Let's see if you can be my assistant.

KOKICHI OMA MASONIZE MOTHERFUCKER

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

- - -

I'm feeling very left out here. What happened to scumreading Kiyo?

Kokichi misunderstanding should not matter considering Kyoko assures us he's town.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Also I couldn't have made the kill. Someone else should know why.

Speaking of misunderstanding... I would check again.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Ahh, of course.
Unsurprising, seeing as I've not committed any wrongdoing.
Tell me, who did you check me against?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

...If Maki is town and the masons are legitimate, the only player who isn't confirmed town is VNB.
Is it as simple as her being scum? Would she make such a mistake?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

So Maki starts the day thinking I'm scum with Weeby due to her parity... sees the masonize, and realizes the two of us are town. I suppose I could see it.
But it doesn't account for the numbers. And scum Maki should be trying to mislynch me today, not clear me with her report.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

VOTE: Kokichi

Genocidal person there's no way this is town who didn't understand

He's confirmed town, it really does not matter. You pushing this angle makes me think you're scum. There's no way you can't imagine a world where town just makes a really bad decision.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

honestly im complimenting you...

you arent this dumb ergo ur scum

I could say the same to you, Weeby. Find someone who isn't town to push.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I don't care if Kokichi is a vigilante who shot a mod-confirmed innocent child, flipped town masonized him. With

your

role, Weeby. Explain it. "Game is fucked" doesn't work.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Weeby dies 100% today if he tries to force this vote on me. There will be no going back.

Even if the masonry is fake (mastina fakes masonries, they're scum making a play, or there's something hidden at play messing with roles), Maki has also confirmed Weeby and I are the same alignment.
So if Weeby is scum, he must be a godfather and the masonry is also not a masonry (as godfather would not fool a masonize, Ginngie confirmed). Or he's scum with Maki.

I'm not convinced he's scum, however. There is a lot to sort through.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

You r-realize that the fat shi-shitlord succesfully masonized Master...however dreadful such a m-memory is.
And then was s-sucesfully masonized by our s-sorry excuse for a teacher.

This should have been in my last post.
For Weeby to be scum would require a lot of coincidental events.
Maybe I was giving too much credit to his intelligence. Very probably town.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Just to be entirely clear, Usami is mod-confirmed town to both Weeby and Toko? This is probably in the thread somewhere, but I don't care to find it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Given that mylo is most likely today, if we intend to lynch today (and we should!!!), this means we should massclaim! As you are among the only ones to have not claimed any aspect of your role, I suggest you starting!

Kokichi knows my role.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I need Maki to clarify if Kiyo is the same alignment as Usami and Kaito or different.

Maki has claimed I am the same alignment is Weeby.

Did Toko and Weeby ever clarify that Usami was confirmed town to them?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

No, see I think this is a question that needs answering, who is my best friend scumteam? I've already written a wall here so I guess I'm actually invested in not losing this game by being lynched today. When you say things like this it reads to me as "Avoid thinking of the future! Just one more mislynch to push though and this game is secured!"

I'm scumreading you and I agree with this. If you make the argument VNB is scum based on roles, then you have to have workable possibilities for the partners. I assume Usami's insanity theory is supposed to cover that, making me scum.
I personally find insane cops to be lazy game design, but I also don't know Ginngie.
Solving a game with setup-spec is just about the most boring way I can think of to lose, so I would rather not.
I've lost a game as town because the moderator used a miller, a godfather, and no cop. Scum claimed cop and became unlynchable despite our attempts and despite scummy play.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

It is in fact Miss Harukawa's survival which makes me feel that perhaps she is not a sane parity cop, because if scum knew her claimed results were inaccurate, it would explain why they let her get another result! If they didn't feel threatened, then there would be no need to nightkill her!

Why can Maki not simply be scum?

This is, of course, only for argument's sake. I know she's not insane as Weeby is probably town, certainly not a Godfather as confirmed by Kyoko, and I am town.
If she is town and sane we are left with problems.
Assuming the masonry is legitimate: VNB is scum. I am scum. The third scum is... Procat? (It would have been nice to allow Procat to post before hammering Kyoko after she performed the alignment swap, wouldn't it.)
I am not scum.
Town and insane, and assuming legitimate masons: Kaito is scum, I am scum, and VNB is scum. VNB is town if Procats was scum.
Both of them require me to be scum.
VNB is not scum in the second scenario. So why are they confirmed scum to you, Usami? Have I misunderstood something? I feel as though I should be under fire here.

And as an aside, Maki is surely mafia from where I'm standing. I do worry I've missed something, however. There are a lot of moving parts. It would help

somewhat

to have all of the masons explicitly confirming each other instead of leaving me to wonder if Usami's masonize is not two-way.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Why would your masonize working confirm his masonize has no strings attached? He doesn't even have that role anymore.

This, as well. Confirming Weeby as town does nothing but confirm

Weeby

. The only player he used the role on is dead.
Kyoko confirmed the masonize, used it, and then flipped town. All before your decision to masonize Weeby last night. Kokichi is confirmed town by Kyoko, and so does not need any help legitimizing his mason status.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Procat's nightkill lends credence to them being mafia originally, so it is plausible we have another mislynch today. I would not bet the game on it, however.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

The quicklynch also lends credence to Cats being scum but it heavily implies both Maki and Kokichi are scum. I just find it equally plausable he was town and killed knowing he'd flip town and we'd still be paranoid about it.

I'm assuming you don't think you're scum either so neither of your scenarios work for you either. Maki, Kaito and Cats/Me scum is possible from your perspective?

My point was that I can't think of a way Maki isn't scum here, yes. It all doesn't seem

correct

but I'm not sure what else to think.
And yes, essentially. I've been mulling over scumasons but Maki's existence throws a wrench in that.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I'm going to attempt to reread this.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Maki can't be insane, because Weeby is confirmed non-godfather through masons. So if VNB is scum, Maki is also scum.
Scumasons is only a possibility if Procats was 3P-turned-town, Togami was lying, and Maki is insane. So no matter how much I distrust the masons it doesn't make much sense.
But VNB could be town, with Maki/Kaito scum.

...I don't know why I keep going over this to myself. There's probably something odd going on behind the scenes, anyway.

Maybe I'll just call it a day and blame Togami if Weeby is scum. That sounds rather nice.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Good news everyone! I read the last four pages! And now

I am replacing out immediately

it's way more then half wtf

I am INFORMED! I don't know why Mikan is getting so many votes other then acting like a wimp (which is just rping as Mikan as far as I can tell.) I'm guessing it's jump on the first person to do things itus.

Most people's motivations for using powers involve them being neat and because they can anyways.

Hmm.

Procats was scum (they do not leave the game upon achieving their win condition, meaning they could have been either alignment, scum nightkilled them), VNB is scum, and Maki is scum?

It might be sound.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

You think I used my restrictor to restrict my post-restricted partner?
Maki and Kaito can still be scum under that hypothesis. I suppose you could be too. That would be unfortunate.

I'm actually really fond of my super fake masonry theory though..

Maki is close to confirmed scum to me. Kaito could be scum too, but you're scummier.
And yes, I think it's very possible you targeted your partner! Why not?

And why would it be unfortunate I'm scum.

The fake masonry theory simply doesn't work, no matter how much I'd like to believe it.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I AM NOT NOW

NOR WAS I EVER A GRAPE

VOTE: Toko Fukawa

So that would explain why you never explicitly answered if Usami was confirmed town.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Everyone should full claim, no one votes until everyone claims.

This. Kokichi, I would suggest not claiming what my role is unless you find it necessary, but you are the only confirmed town.

Maki, remind me which night you checked Usami against Kaito?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Nevermind, I remember. Do you have another report, Maki?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I don't know what the numbers are anymore. I suppose scum was recruited?
VOTE: Toko

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

That is what the cult would say. Weeby started town, Toko started scum... no idea about Procats. I suppose Maki works as a remaining scum?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

UNVOTE:

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I'm here, but sleeping now. I can discuss with you tomorrow. Not that there is much to discuss. I will be voting Maki.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I want to say Kaito's confirmed not-cult status is enough to prove Maki's role fake, but it's possible mafia and cult are combined under "anti-town". Maki could confirm or deny this, but her answer

now

will not mean very much.

And who knows what Procats started as. I want to say Scum. I should stop relying on mechanics when I derided them earlier, honestly.
I'm not really scumreading Kaito, but he should have claimed. Right now I would put the team as Toko/Maki/Procats. I should see if that makes sense.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

G-girls pretending to be innocent when they're n-not are the worst...

Tomato.

Do your best to explain why confirmed-cultist Toko is scum? I don't really understand what you're saying.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

I'm just going to out it since it's lylo likely. Kiyo gave me a doll the night before it role stops anyone who tried to do an action to me that night. If I pass the doll, the person will be role stopped the night I pass it. I gave it back to Kiyo last night, so he can't be culted.

Why did you claim this? Now it's useless and won't stop anything.
And why do you think there are two cults? Have I missed something?

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

So Maki is claiming last mafia, Weeby and Toko are the remaining living cult, Kokichi is confirmed town, and Kaito is something.
I have to say, I'm confused about what exactly is happening here.

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

VOTE: Maki

[Korekiyo Shinguji]

Sorry Maki. I bought Kokichi's IC status. I should stop doing that in bastard games.
Your team being culted was rough.