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I don't like this post.In post 95, RedFlavor wrote:
I don't think that Mathdino is scum because posting reads this early will start a discussion and a scum would not do that. The part where he says "he speaks like a player and not a townie?" is kinda weird thoIn post 90, Kop wrote:
Can you elaborate on some of these, because this is striking me as forced reads. Your accusing me of looking forced, this is more forced shit rather than actual reads.In post 79, Mathdino wrote:A50: looks town
Creature: nullscum, posting style feels a bit forced
fitz: first serious vote, doesn't really try to take credit for ending RVS, seems town
Impede: i have no idea what he's talking about in regards to Una but probably town just towning around
Jay: seems to be actively playing to his own meta. i don't think his behavior is super alignment indicative in general, and he's kind of a fluffy fluffer. i'm good with lynching him as a player until he learns not to be scummy. but then again he's probably town doing that weird "forced meta" thing
Kop: POLICY LYNCH. idk him giving advice to jay seems really forced, the way he's doing it. like he's speaking as a player and not as a townie?
Red: vague townish vibes
Una: i can't read any of this shit but i hope he contributes soon
everyone else: get in here so i can scumread you pls
How does Almost50 look town, what does town look like? He's made one RVS vote, and one filler post. How does that make him look town?
Creature, if you believe he is nullscum, why aren't you voting him since he's virtually your only scum read?
Impede, how is he towning around?
Jay, so your happy to lynch someone just to learn them to stop acting scummy, rather than actually lynching someone who you scum read? Do you scum read Jay or not?
Myself, your talking about policy lynching someone on page 4, and no reason because Fitz has painted myself as a policy lynch because of previous games.
Overall, reading these reads, I don't think they are actually genuine reads right now, and is just trying to look active.
VOTE: Mathdino
btw I also don't know anything about anyone except una, I played my first game with him however it was like 4 months ago and I forgot about that game (on purpose ).
It feels awfully defending of mathdino for only that purpose. You don't mention any other players really in terms of which way you're leaning. You're not even addressing Kop with any suspicion towards his alignment.
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This is true but inexperienced scum might also not realize that.In post 97, Impede wrote:Scum aren’t likely to come to the direct defense of a partner. Esp D1.
I do agree that Math’s reads seem a bit stretchy, but I don’t think it’s AI just yet, as he could just be trying to stimulate discussion.
@RedFlavor how many scum games have you finished on site?? your accounts only 5 months old. Are you an alt? Are you still fairly new?
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Thanx,In post 100, RedFlavor wrote:kop's questions to mathdino about others and himself seems ok and townie.
And other people are null
BTW, I have 3 finished games here but I played a few games on other sites
Clarify this for me if you would
"I don't think that Mathdino is scum because posting reads this early will start a discussion and a scum would not do that. The part where he says "he speaks like a player and not a townie?" is kinda weird tho"
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EWOPIn post 102, Hawk wrote:
Thanx,In post 100, RedFlavor wrote:kop's questions to mathdino about others and himself seems ok and townie.
And other people are null
BTW, I have 3 finished games here but I played a few games on other sites
Clarify this for me if you would
"I don't think that Mathdino is scum because posting reads this early will start a discussion and a scum would not do that. The part where he says "he speaks like a player and not a townie?" is kinda weird tho"
Why was thatkinda weird? Why did you point that out.- Hawk
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Sure you only want my scumgames??In post 104, Mathdino wrote:My vote stands on Mr. "Votes A Guy For Making A Reads List".
@Almost50:Where the fuck do you think I got my town lean on you?
@Red:Because people apparently can't read between the lines, when I say "he speaks like a player and not a townie" that literally means I lowkey think Kop is scum.
Getting town vibes from Assemble. Red is probably surface-level-scumhunting town (lol at "scum would not start a discussion").
I'm torn on Hawk. I love his post 96 and I think it's objectively #goodposting but I can't bring myself to townread it.
@Hawk:ey bby hit me up with one of ur dopeass scumgames pretty pls
I was going to townread Impede but his last post makes me feel iffy.
Might do a questions list later on if I feel like it, might not.
This is probably my worst scumgame as far as how i played I think
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This is the best.
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It's anti-town in general tho... if town players don't put up votes and it is pro-town to hold your vote then all players (scum a like) would hold their votes until the last few hours of a day and then panic would settle in as people cast votes.In post 117, JaydragonKing wrote:It's not anti-town in my eyes, because it means that if I gain something, everyone else around me gains insight as well. Me holding back as town means we have longer for scum to make a tiny mistake. Me holding back means people here who are either smarter and/or more experienced have more material to work with.
I'm being more of a team player now with being honest with you. This is the current way I know that helps the situation.
Withholding your vote is partially like being absent from the conversation. As town there are appropriate times to sit back and wait. An entire days worth because you want to see and wait is poor play from town and is basically coasting for scum...- Hawk
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No that was the game with me Aubrey and you lol.In post 133, Kop wrote:
In lylo.In post 132, Kop wrote:
Ahh yes I remember that game. I think that was the one I chose wrong and lynched hawk.In post 130, momo wrote:
The last game the 3 of us played together was Open 677. That was my first game of mafia (on this site) and I was confused.In post 126, Kop wrote:@hawk, was momo lynchbait in the last game you played with him? I recall playing with him before, Im not sure if we were in the same game the three of us, because a part of me seems to be remembering he was a hard player to play with and it was as if he was just trolling the game, rather than actively playing the game in serious mode.
I understand things a lot better now and give it a little bit and you will watch me bust this game open.
The last game 2 games I played with Momo were two of the first games he played. One of which was with you and he was very scummy (first game he wasn't playing super well) So I tried to distance and bus him as fast as possible.
The second game I caught him doing something scummy d1 pushed him and he replaced out rather than be a liability. his replacement made it end game but we still lynched him ftw in the end. That was Jungle republic 676
It's been a few months so I'm going to ignore any meta read I get on Momo since he may have changed as a player since the last time we played considering how new he was back then.
Happy New Years Eve everyone I'll be a little in and out today so forgive me if I don't contribute much.
If yall have questions for me I'll try and respond.
Pedit: Not sure if Momo is being sarcastic or serious here.... Someone literally said something like that's 9 votes and with 60 people alive it'll take 20 more to reach majority blah blah clearly joking around and drawing attention to the absurdity put forth voting Jay repeatedly.
If anything stuff like that might feel fake or forced but it's hard to tell without a good sense of those players meta and personalities.- Hawk
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*eyebrow* I can see that but I don't think beimg unobservant enough to realize that the same 3 people voted Jay all p1 and p2 is alignment indicative. But maybe I'm misreading what you're saying. Since I would find that more annoying as scum than as town... town should probably keep a close eye on who gets put up for lynch and who's on a wagon.In post 137, momo wrote:
I read the joke and was being semi-serious. Like I get they are trying to be funny but it is frankly annoying for town.In post 136, Hawk wrote:Pedit: Not sure if Momo is being sarcastic or serious here.... Someone literally said something like that's 9 votes and with 60 people alive it'll take 20 more to reach majority blah blah clearly joking around and drawing attention to the absurdity put forth voting Jay repeatedly.
@almost50 makes sense. Pretty high on the speculation chart d1 but the effort to explain yourself is appreciated.
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That's a decent idea Dino. And will probably get the most out of the role... I haven't looked over the entire setup yet I figured I'd wait until we were farther in.
If I were a hider I would hide behind Kop.
Good feels on Dino and Momo. Uncertain on Kop ATM...
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Doesn't the hider die with the person shot??
Example for arguments sake I am a hider and we all claim our hypohider targets while I claim my actual target.
Scenario 1.
Kop is town and is shot.
We both die. Doesn't really help town.
Kop is scum and I die.
Kop is confirmed scum unless someone claims like doc right?
That's what I'm getting from hider right? They're like suicidal cops at night? Or are the protective roles??
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Yeah I'm all aboard the everyone claim a hypohider target everyday until someone flips hider. It's a great play and creates a will basically if all of the hider target potentially clearing multiple townies and finding scum. Highest potential upside 0 downside, unless scum figure out who the hider is.- Hawk
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Bleh I haven't dug in deeply here. Sorry been kinda out of it honestly forgot this game was going.
From my past experiences Creature tries more than this as scum and often looks scummy because the effort doesn't feel organic (for creature) So I'm town leaning creature. Policy lynches aside.
Someone sum up the case on Jay for me... Also fitz smells scummy... I've seen fitz go for huge disections at a time on catchups so far he had a small read list with a few names here or there with no follow up.
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Omg finally caught up y'all like to wall post too much.
So jay is town.
I'm glad I wasn't here cause I would have voted him after momo' s remarkable display of out there logic that I wouldn't expect from scum ever.
Creatures lurking but usually at least puts forth things like forming his townlist. In the one scum game where I was scum with Momo and we had a hard distance created between the two of us Creature was just as quiet and Lurky but put forth a different kind of effort maybe he's turned off by all the walls. Idk.
Fitz I'll wait to evaluate further but I think he has a scumtell that I've noticed about his meta but don't want to say until I'm more certain...
Almost50 seems townish... not sure what to take on him. Up until his reaction to sheep voting Red I thought it was fine. All of that emotion in saying things are bad and players are playing bad felt fake on first read. Thus Townish? Maybe more null... idk that was the main scummy thing I saw maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
Sheep is a weak poster but I to disdain these walls. Makes quoting hard and analysis harder
Una is forgettable even when I read their posts so that feels scummy.
Assemble is probably scum. The vote post is super forced and bad.
VOTE: Assemble
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Your ISO is very extensive and I've been townleaning you since you suggested the Hider thing. I didn't see a reason for scum to post something like that and be beneficial unless you were fishing for role info. It seemed very not scummy. But WIFOM you could have done it to make us think that..
I'll ISO Kop. I would have caught up sooner but everytime I tried to at work y'all would have huge fucking walls that I needed to read.- Hawk
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Ignoring stuff before this for now as I'm not sure how AI it was but it did feel fairly forced I remember his response to your readlist felt weak in terms of generating discussion but maybe the effort was there.In post 322, Kop wrote:VOTE: Impede
This is a wagon outside of Jay/red that I'd like to take off. I don't necessarily scum read Jay, but I just feel he's being hard pressed into a mislynch, I just don't think scum would be that stupid to focus all of the attention onto themselves in the manner he has done since gamestart. I obviously wouldn't like to think that we could possibly go into LYLO with him but I'm wanting to go into different areas rather than focus on him for days on end.
Impede on the other hand, has given me nothing to note that I could town read him for, and I do like the case Fitz has put out against Impede. Last few pages that I have been reading, his name was popping out quite a bit. His vote on Jay doesn't make any sense to me at all, I wouldn't call it opportunistic, it felt more of a let go vote. If this wagon takes off and Impede flips scum, I would 100% go back for Jay because of how that vote felt to me.
Another point I didn't quite work out, he stated that he would hide behind Momo, why would you hide behind Momo considering he had him in his town read in post #152? Why would you not hide behind Fitz, or Una who you were scum reading? I understand hiding behind your town reads would give you a better chance of living, but also confirming your reads, doesn't give anything to gamestate because you don't really confirm anything, because you could be scum lying about being the hider and the hider might not even be in the game.
This is fairly decent. I feel like the last points about where impede chose to hide is fine but more along the lines I would bet Impede just wasn't thinking about it since he's not the hider or just didn't see the role working as a pseudo investigative the way the hypoclaims work.
I think you mentioned that later dino.
I feel like impede should have responded to this and I'll need to go look and see if he did shortly.In post 327, Kop wrote:
I understand that point on what your trying to make, but from my understanding, it would be useful if they went with there feels, rather than 'oh he's took him, I'll take someone else'. That way I can see what they are feeling and not going with the flow of the game.In post 323, Mathdino wrote:Quick thing, I picked fitz first and I encouraged everyone to pick different hider targets so it wouldn't draw the NK to any one person in particular.
Impede case isn't bad. It's convinced me out of a townread. Hasn't convinced me into a scumread. I see a lot of flak for his interaction with Jay, which I actually like. Seems natural to me.
I chose mine, without even looking at others, and went with what I feel I would have done if this were the real case.
This feels very good considering Jay claimed after this. (I think need to double check) No reason for scum to defend a potential mislynch like this and push towards another. Kop has been low activity so he would naturally look null to scummy for me so I don't see why his few posts would show as much effort towards finding something to talk about.In post 330, Kop wrote:
How do you read Impede right now?In post 323, Mathdino wrote:Quick thing, I picked fitz first and I encouraged everyone to pick different hider targets so it wouldn't draw the NK to any one person in particular.
Impede case isn't bad. It's convinced me out of a townread. Hasn't convinced me into a scumread. I see a lot of flak for his interaction with Jay, which I actually like. Seems natural to me.
I understand you have your sights set on Jay, and I do agree with you with what you are saying, but personally I'd rather go for someone who can give us more information going into day two so we can get a stronger read on others, I feel lynching Jay on day one, isn't going to give us anything and reads won't be as strong as they would by lynching someone who gives us more. Jay will never be shot, so that is going to obviously be in the back of everyones mind and someone we don't want in LYLO, but he can easily be done on day 2 or 3 if we aren't further forward in lynching scum.
Pretty null but I could give it a town lean.
Pedit: That it does not Jay. but I would literally read a few quotes look at an ISO and come back to a new page and have to reread so forgive me. I finally gave up and am getting ready to sleep now. Had dinner watched some TV figured I'd catch up when everyone had calmed down a bit hopefully and I had more time for read.
PPedit: Reasonable Sheep. I mean it's a stretchy Wifom. But I would town read that shit 99 times out of a 100.
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In post 32, Creature wrote:Wow a page 2 hammer
This is literally the most hunty thing creature has done.In post 33, Creature wrote:Were you scum, Jay?
Besides this it's been off handedly saying two players looked like VIs asking questions that might draw out conversation like 285 , 301, and 455
Creature excuses himself from scumhunting saying he contributes through process of elimination. Finding townleans and voting who's left but he's not really doing much or seeming to care to dig into people's reasoning with these questions either.
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He does that. Not sure if AI.
I think Momos comment about painting town as scum is interesting because he seems to be doing the same as he can't be for sure Unah is scum but sure pushes him as conf!scum
Pedit: there's a difference between seeing yourself as town and being obv!town. Remember no one else saw your Role PM...- Hawk
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Do you mean you see that as town motivated?In post 563, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
town motivationIn post 562, momo wrote:now that he has more content, Imma do a serious iso- Hawk
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I'm voting creature because his case is more concrete for me than assembles... Assemble literally had an opportunistic vote and a shit ton of lurking....
Kop btw is hella hard for me to read and always has been so fwiw... Also fitz comment about him eventually replacing feels reasonable.
@Momo in my best scum game VCA was towns enemy and I played it very hard until we got into a Lylo situation. Also tensions were high that game Momo.
Pedit: If we wagon assemble it's almost a policy lynch for me. He's got 3 posts... and one is basically a scum claim as the opportunistic l-2 vote. But I've seen that be town before..
PPedit: creature does play like this as either alignment but is usually much better than this as town. This looks scummy to me that's why I'm here. Assemble is lurking. Red is well... yeah we could do that too...- Hawk
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Only posts 3 times. One can be considered alignment indicative and it's scummy. Open and shut case literally no evidence to support him as town.In post 574, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
this doesnt matter; we like his lynch because he is scummyIn post 573, JaydragonKing wrote:But at this point I'm honestly taking into account that Assemble is going to be replaced at the beginning of day 2 or the twilight of day 1. Hanging him doesn't seem like the best bet to me
Kappa.
Anyway I gotta get back to work but I'll do a once over on Red when I get the chance. I'm leaving my vote on creature cause I want him to post.- Hawk
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In post 593, Creature wrote:
Sure, the scumteam is pretty fine with the three of them being the top three wagons...In post 590, momo wrote:So yeah, my current scum team is assemble, creature, and red
Quotes top three wagons are lynchbait. Is fine with agreeing with townblock that excludes the low quantity poster (myself) out and throws Kop (also low quantity) and Una into the mix.In post 597, Creature wrote:
Not townleaning him anymore. Though, not very sure on him being scum.In post 592, Almost50 wrote:1- Do you think Red is Town or Scum?
Assemble, Redflavor and me.2- When you say "current wagons" which wagons do you refer to? (list the players names, please)
I agree with the townblock besides Hawk, so that leaves RedFlavor, Assemble, Kop, you, UnaBombaH and Impede. I'd probably remove Impede by myself.3- According to you, you have been working by PoE. Who do you still have in your lynch pool after removing your Town leans?
Thank you for showing us your in-depth and amazing perspective creature.
If this is a misrep tell me how? Also why are you townleaning Fitz if his whole case ISO is against impede but you would remove Impede from your lynch pool?- Hawk
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I agree with this.
I don't like impedes switch to creature because it feels like Impede was only doing so because people kept talking about how he was ignoring creature once pressure was on him to do so.- Hawk
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Also I don't really like a Red Flavour lynch after rereading.
Wanting Fitz to chime in on other people still I feel like it's probably NAI considering he's in the middle of a blizzard right now but I still get a fishy feeling from that direction.
Kop continues to be hard for me to read here... I'm pretty eeehhhhh on his most recent post involving impede but it pulled a very defensive reaction from impede. At first glance it feels a bit forced.- Hawk
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You mean this sheep? yeah I don't like that part.In post 683, momo wrote:Impede, Impede, Impede....you have disappointed me greatly....
I townread you! But math's case is just to good.
Furthermore, your vote on Creature...see that looks like last ditch bussing...here's the thing, you can't bus after you are scum read for associations....That vote switch, the whole change under pressure to someone you are suspected to be buddies with, it gave you away....A tip for your next game, bus well early game...I'm not saying you won't be caught, it just won't be like this....
UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Impede
Even though I read both as scum, Impede lynch gives us the most information...we think we are on to something but he was once in our town bloc....Impede flipping red gives us a lot...if he flips green, we still have creature and redflavor- Hawk
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I don't like that Momo is making preflip associatives or that Dino is defending Impede now and other people seem to just be like alright alright. Dino even if he is extremely towny doesn't mean he's right about impede.
Pedit: Momo directing PRs feels bad in general for the game. As much as I town read momo for his earlier comment.
Also Jay shoot whoever you feel is scummiest that we don't lynch. Just don't announce it.
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I'm not defending impede? I voiced intention to vote him earlier. I'm still for an impede lynch if you would read momo -_-;;.
Also you were directing PRs. Pre flip associative aren't good because analyzing them before a flip is scummy. Now in a confirmed 3 party game it's fine but here you're just grouping people for information off the d1 flip. Your d1 flip should only truly be for information if you have no better options. There are plenty of options here no need to analyze things like associative before a flip.- Hawk
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I'm not attacking you. I'm prefacing my distaste at people like Momo and Sheep that almost immediate unvoted at your decision to townlean impede. You can have your read and it be valid. I don't share that opinion (you even say it's mostly meta and feel based) but two others immediately followed your suit not forming opinions of their own.In post 767, Mathdino wrote:My interpretation is that he's supporting the impede case and is attacking my credibility and defence of him.
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Really? he had nothing to do with it momo??In post 717, momo wrote:
Here's the way I see this...Impede is definitely not the scummiest person right now...that's not his value as a lynch. If we want to lynch the scummiest we go Creature and RedFlavor..either one...In post 702, Mathdino wrote:God Impede, you're so bad under pressure. Gonna explain myself real quick.
Last page, on after post 663, I did go spend 10 or 15 mins analysing your meta and the previous game. The connections that I thought I saw weren't there. In fact your play is 100% consistent with your town meta. I wasn't gonna immediately unvote though because the utility of extra wagon analysis outweighs the slight risk of getting you lynched.
In post 670, when I said "Let me do my thing", I thought you'd understand that I was testing a wagon on you. In 672 I wasn't even casing you and never got around to posting my review, because I already believed you were town at that point. Crumbed the reaction test wagon with "let the town do its thing".
Now I honestly don't know anymore. Your reaction in 682 isn't what I'd expect from town!Impede, as someone who respects town!Impede.
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I'm so confused about this. The people who jumped on after I started the wagon are sheep and momo, both of whom I'm townreading (sheep loses points, I don't think momo can lose points in my book). I'm wondering if Impede is the token mislynch whose wagon consists entirely of townies, or if I'm just wrong and you're actually scum.
Impede's flip, no matter what it is, provides us a lot of information to work with, I votes impede because it seemed to me the Creature wagon was losing traction and that impede was a fine new place to put my vote
My thought for the BEST LYNCH, is without a doubt CREAUTURE...he has more content than redflavor in the effort to make himself appear towny, but is scummy...this content provides us with additional information........
In fact, since the Impede wagon is losing traction again, (I think md taking his vote of has suddenly made it much harder for it to go through) I am going to ask you all to but your vote where it really belongs, on Creature.
UNVOTE: Impede
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That's what I'm getting at you say it doesn't affect your decision but you wouldn't have quoted Math there if it didn't also note less than a few posts later you flipped back to impede and now back to creature.
Like dude... you see how the post I quoted did not need to quote math if it didn't affect your decision.
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As an asside Sheep as a guy who's almost lost his brother to suicide if you ever need someone to talk to PM me. I echo Maths Sentiment and hope you were just joking.- Hawk
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But you unvoted without reading Maths commentary?? you literally sheeped his unvote...In post 790, sheepsaysmeep wrote:we just have similar reads
It works both ways.
Also as an asside I maybe attacking Momos arguments but he's still pretty towny to me I just don't like his arguments. It helps me keep track and hopefully keep my townlean from tunneling cause that can lead to some bad groupthink- Hawk
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Almost 50 getting shot is unfortunate...
So we have an SK or does a real Vig want to claim one of those shots? Dino being alive is slightly unexpected as well but I suppose maybe Scum was worried about protectives.
Pedit: how did it mess up our hider strat?? Sorry I'm not great at setup strats. And don't get why it messed it up.- Hawk
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I'm a bit sceptical if Red Flavour being scum... Hammering a Partner 4 days to deadline seems unrealistic. But they were the two top wagons so maybe hammer for some towncred. could also be SK.
Pedit: I didn't think about that... that is indeed unfortunate...
Also I'm not Vigi so not me. I wouldn't have shot Either of those anyway.
Ppedit: Did A50 crumb anywhere that anyone spotted. Let me check something with the setup real quick- Hawk
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I think the opposite. But A50 didn't seem scummy at all to me so... you could at least make arguement that Vigi was banking we didn't roll 3 or 4Ks for a double Vigi setup.In post 1046, sheepsaysmeep wrote:if vig exists i think the vig kill would be a50 tbh
Pedit: Just curious... I was actually thinking adding in the Tracker it would upset how we could have double Vigi And one shot bus driver thus possibly making the Vig on Jay make sense but it doesn't add up... that's why I said let me.check the setup.- Hawk
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Why??In post 1059, sheepsaysmeep wrote:psure screen is town- Hawk
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I thought you didn't play a lot on weekends Fitz...In post 1081, havingfitz wrote:@Srceenplay...you just feel off to me. You haven't been lurking or anything...I just find your posting style to be different than my recollection of other games we've shared. Less effort? More terse? I don't get the Math push....I need to look those reasons over again.
My mafiascum priorities the next day or so are somewhere else. I'll refresh my thoughts on this game nlt this weekend. I want to look my other lynch pool players over more closely as well.
@Una...you mention A50 was perhaps targeted because someone thought he was a hider. Wouldn't they have targeted who A50 was supposed to hide behind if they wanted him out and get a twofer at the same time? If A50 actually WAS (i.e. had been) the hider, targeting him would have got his shooter/s nowhere.
Did you and creature decide to be the most apathetic scum pair ever and see if town tears itself apart??
A50 hypoclaimed Creature as his hider target. So as far as Mafia knew they didn't know where he was hiding so shooting him would be the best chance tonight. Also Mafia would know if their is SK or not based off their role thread so shooting at a hider and missing would be fine cover if SK shot elsewhere- Hawk
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Double check your Math again... and then tell me if you're sure were in 6v2v1 lyloIn post 1153, Mathdino wrote:i'm really not at the top of my game in this game
We're not in MyLo because we lynched scum. I was doing the math as if we'd lynched town.
Still, if we lynch town today that puts us in 6v2v1 and 2 town deaths creates a 4v2v1 LyLo in which we're forced to try to hit the SK, which is gross. I think it's important to know what setup we're playing.- Hawk
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In post 1154, Hawk wrote:
Double check your Math again... and then tell me if you're sure were in 6v2v1In post 1153, Mathdino wrote:i'm really not at the top of my game in this game
We're not in MyLo because we lynched scum. I was doing the math as if we'd lynched town.
Still, if we lynch town today that puts us in 6v2v1 and 2 town deaths creates a 4v2v1 LyLo in which we're forced to try to hit the SK, which is gross. I think it's important to know what setup we're playing.into potentiallylo- Hawk
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Actually nah VOTE: Math Dino
Role fishing. Calling for a PR to claim in attempt to sort the setup. Implies he is VT or would claim VT if ran up.
Too much information. Messes up a conceivable amount of times with the setup spec but one thing remains consistent is that we are xv2v1. TTTTT is still a potential at a 50% rate. If Math is VT then he should lean even more heavily that we are TTTTT which only has 2 mafia and an SK. Making our current setup 8v1v1. But Math heavily believes we are 7v2v1.
Scum leader? Maybe... I don't like Screenplay either but as a scum player replacing in attempting to come in stand firm and vote towards the most widely townread player and call him scumleader?
someone correct me if I'm seeing things but this just feels right all of a sudden.
Pedit:.... Well you addressed my concern you were neglecting that 5t is 8v1v1.... but still :/- Hawk
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In post 1153, Mathdino wrote:i'm really not at the top of my game in this game
We're not in MyLo because we lynched scum. I was doing the math as if we'd lynched town.
Still, if we lynch town today that puts us in 6v2v1 and 2 town deaths creates a 4v2v1 LyLo in which we're forced to try to hit the SK, which is gross. I think it's important to know what setup we're playing.
Literally your last two corrections to your assumptions are quoting only we are in xv2v1 and ignoring xv1v1 you made an assumption I even mentioned for you to double check your math. You did. And have chosen to post a lot of "content" asking for certain claims to be made under scrutiny of us being under 1t and not 5t.In post 1157, Mathdino wrote:No yeah we're currently in 7v2v1, I fucked up, that's not LyLo/MyLo at all.
That said I still believe anyone with a role in that list should claim.
It's extremely important to remaining scumhunting to know if the mafia team has 3 members or 2.
If it has 3, and we have 5 town PRs remaining, this game might be breakable by massclaim.
Edit: Town lynch today results in LyLo. That much is clear.
It fishes people who don't have a solid grasp of the setup or possible setups into admitting they may or may not have a roll. If you are the sole other mafia member calling for any amount of claiming under the premise we are in xv2v1 gives you a called shot and if you have one partner left you know that there is at least one of the roles you mentioned and you call it forward and if you manage to get lucky and pull an investigative (basically all of the ones you listed) and we are under 1t your JOAT can take a strongarm shot through protective rendering our newly claimed Town investigative more moot while waiting yourself up well enough as town leader.
Also every preface of call out Mathdino for strategy is straight misreping. :p- Hawk
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Not vig. Sufficient to say I'm not entirely convinced but I'm more willing to explore other options... Tho I swear to god Math Dino if that was an actual scumslip I'll never townread your shit again.
I'll post more later. Also sheep I thought slipped but it might be possible I was the only one semi following all the spec talk and caught that we can't assume 2 maf.
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