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The question was for jay.In post 881, momo wrote:
Creature is evidently the ideal lynch for today....mathdino has also comitted at him so technicallyIn post 879, Srceenplay wrote:JaydragonKing has vote parked on creature?
No one else has seemed scumy to you?L-2
jay has claimed vigilante
SK is possible in this setup, right?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Well that was really fucking easy.In post 887, sheepsaysmeep wrote:screen is town at first glance"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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In post 890, JaydragonKing wrote:He's in middle school. Of course it's going to be easy.
Oops. Fixed. Sorry.In post 888, Srceenplay wrote:
Well that was reallyIn post 887, sheepsaysmeep wrote:screen is town at first glancefucking easy."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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That’s how I get my feels and reads.In post 896, Mathdino wrote:Go read something in context. ISOs are gonna be pretty bad for anything but tone.
It’s from gut/tone.
When something pings me I can go back and figure out why."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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If any one knows that there is an sk it would be scum, right?In post 74, Impede wrote:Jay is the SK, that’s why he has a survivor wincon. Game solved. Great effort. Let’s go home guys"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Fake dumb tellIn post 83, momo wrote:wait, what's going on, why don't those votes count? I'm confused guys"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Agree with kop.In post 90, Kop wrote:
Can you elaborate on some of these, because this is striking me as forced reads. Your accusing me of looking forced, this is more forced shit rather than actual reads.In post 79, Mathdino wrote:A50: looks town
Creature: nullscum, posting style feels a bit forced
fitz: first serious vote, doesn't really try to take credit for ending RVS, seems town
Impede: i have no idea what he's talking about in regards to Una but probably town just towning around
Jay: seems to be actively playing to his own meta. i don't think his behavior is super alignment indicative in general, and he's kind of a fluffy fluffer. i'm good with lynching him as a player until he learns not to be scummy. but then again he's probably town doing that weird "forced meta" thing
Kop: POLICY LYNCH. idk him giving advice to jay seems really forced, the way he's doing it. like he's speaking as a player and not as a townie?
Red: vague townish vibes
Una: i can't read any of this shit but i hope he contributes soon
everyone else: get in here so i can scumread you pls
How does Almost50 look town, what does town look like? He's made one RVS vote, and one filler post. How does that make him look town?
Creature, if you believe he is nullscum, why aren't you voting him since he's virtually your only scum read?
Impede, how is he towning around?
Jay, so your happy to lynch someone just to learn them to stop acting scummy, rather than actually lynching someone who you scum read? Do you scum read Jay or not?
Myself, your talking about policy lynching someone on page 4, and no reason because Fitz has painted myself as a policy lynch because of previous games.
Overall, reading these reads, I don't think they are actually genuine reads right now, and is just trying to look active.
VOTE: Mathdino
Seems kinda early to have enough confidence in giving reads to that many people.
On top of that, a lot were town leans."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Did that not bother you?In post 162, Almost50 wrote:So, both momo and Mathdino are correctly TRing me but for the wrong reasons."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Meta dive me and deal with it. That’s my style.In post 900, Mathdino wrote:I'm not a fan of this. Gut/tone are more often wrong than right. It's really easy as scum to hide behind gutreads.
I think it’s just the opposite. Hard to mask your tone but easy to choose your words."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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So where is Dino to you?In post 903, JaydragonKing wrote:Dino said beforehand that he did it to get discussion going. And while I can't say I truly know Math's playing style, he really doesn't like just gut reads and the thread going out of left field, even though on multiple occasions he contributes to that.
And if you live till day 2 and he has important info, he'll hold it back for a 'reaction test'. You gotta confront him to get anything useful out of him.
It sounds like you are calling him fake. Is that accurate?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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I start read again here later.In post 725, sheepsaysmeep wrote:pagetop yay"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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No but I will.In post 910, JaydragonKing wrote:And I agree that right now Creature is the better Lynch then Impede. Did you look through his ISO and his responses to suspicion? You can also see his tone.
Iirc someone said creature is not giving anything but impede is.
How the does creature become a better lynch with lack of information?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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You’ll get used to it.In post 920, JaydragonKing wrote:I don't want to get into that again, but I need people to be more direct.
I'm more willing to believe a cop claim who came out instantly then one who waited like five real world days for that reason as well.
Dino is right.
Slow play it. Scum might end up doing something that you will be able to counter."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Before this you are saying you are not ok with their lynch but you leave the door open to lynch the if creature flips green.In post 739, Mathdino wrote:Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.
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If his case is wrong and out of context, why don’t you vote them?In post 820, Mathdino wrote:
The case on Impede was wrong. I'm factchecking it. I'm afraid that a few players (cough you, and me earlier) are just skimming well-written cases and being swayed.In post 818, sheepsaysmeep wrote:can we just not wall in general
If you wanna go that route, trust this tl;dr:
1. The case took a bunch of things out of context
2. A lot of things that make Impede scummy are actually just playstyle, and I can confirm this
3. Impede gets much better and much more readable on D2
Therefore Impede is a bad lynch and we should lynch Creature instead.
Check the votecount and L-1 or declare "intent as of Assemble's replacement showing up".
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This reads to me as role fishing.In post 822, Mathdino wrote:I agree with you, but I also want a claim out of Creature ASAP so we have enough time to re-organise a lynch."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Why not now?In post 935, JaydragonKing wrote:Oh man am I gonna love talking to you day 2, Screen."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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So how much more has creature given you to gain a read than I have?In post 941, Mathdino wrote:I'm a shitty tonereader; I read based on motivation and general psychology. My read on his motivation is fundamentally based on exactly how much reading he's done, and now that I've said that, Srcumplay would just lie about it.
I defer to people who are provably good tonereaders/gutreaders and people who've played with him before.
@momo:I was bored and reading mafia games, came across the end of Surreptitious Mafia. Everyone suggested Creature was the town MVP and had amazing reads, but badly communicated them.
Do you feel like this is our highest utility lynch? (aka do you think his game will improve)
Do you think he's playing against his town meta?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Umm, probably, not.
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Momo is ehIn post 966, Creature wrote:What's wrong with it?
Sheep has lived up to their name. Plus page tops.
Math feels like a town leader type scum
Jay can potentially be sk. D1 vig claim in my experience isn’t town."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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No theory. Haven’t thought much about it yet.In post 1055, Mathdino wrote:I assume your theory is that I killed A50 to clear myself because everyone paired me with him?
Can you explain your case on me within the context of the flips?
Just thought I’d post before bed.
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Tell me about those feels.In post 1077, havingfitz wrote:I like Srceenplay. I don't care for him in this game. He feels different."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Bolded sums it up for me.
I’m open to think otherwise but it’s hard."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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The only thing about momo on me that I can see make sense is my impede Vote.
The rest is just bs.
You can’t assume what you do on replace in is what everyone else does.
I replace into all my games the same way. Start playing from then on taking advice as needed. Isoing when someone catches my eye.
I asked Dino for personal thoughts not because I’m following them. I asked so I can see thought process and reasoning. Wanted to see if they were bs’ing their thoughts. Didn’t want to confirm bias and thought it my be away for me to get a fresh look.
In conclusion it feels like momo is defending a buddy."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Don’t like it.In post 1119, momo wrote:.me and dino hardly interact like buddies."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Could be a def of creature and swaying protectivesIn post 376, momo wrote:The way I see this right now, is Creature flips scum, Jay and Red will be seen in a better life. If not, they will pretty much become conf!scum buddies....
Actually, the both of them voting Creature seems like something buddies under pressure would do to me
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VOTE: Jaydragonking right now with the intention of lynching red tommorrow, especially if this slot flips scum
Oh and btw, after this post, if Jay does flip scum, I am a likely NK so if jay flips scum, doctor/jailkeeper/whatever protective or bus driving role there is on me"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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This was a long time ago but do you remember what you mean by it impede?In post 417, Impede wrote:
It was cool, but it didn't really do that much except cause me to make a mental note to never townread you for this type of thing ever again.In post 414, momo wrote:This right here makes me wonder if I should retire from mafia and quit while I'm ahead. After this game ends, be prepared for a revamped sig."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Sorry.In post 1135, Srceenplay wrote:Momo is red still scum buddies with creature? Or impede?
I read momo iso last night before bed.
In it he said Red is scum partners with creature.
Even went as far as to say no matter what creature flips we flip Red next.
He then said similar things about impede.
So I’m asking momo if both of these thoughts still hold true and why."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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You it’s a forced town tell to you?In post 1140, Impede wrote:
Whenever you tell someone you townread them for something, you inherently make it harder to townread them for that same thing in the future, because they know it will result on a townread and can use it on purpose as scum. The fact that multiple people townread him for his little trick and he was gloating over it make it utterly null for me in future games.In post 1134, Srceenplay wrote:
This was a long time ago but do you remember what you mean by it impede?In post 417, Impede wrote:
It was cool, but it didn't really do that much except cause me to make a mental note to never townread you for this type of thing ever again.In post 414, momo wrote:This right here makes me wonder if I should retire from mafia and quit while I'm ahead. After this game ends, be prepared for a revamped sig.
Am I reading that right?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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So...?In post 1143, Impede wrote:
Lol you love Screen.In post 1133, Mathdino wrote:Edit: WOW WHAT A GREAT IDEA ITS NOT LIKE I THOUGHT OF THAT ALREADY"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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No.In post 1206, havingfitz wrote:@Srceen...are you asking for our potential hider to claim?
I was thinking if we all said we were hiding behind the same person we could clear a town or find a scum.
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Not true.In post 1237, Mathdino wrote:6. Only after he catches flak for it does he do the "I wanna work with you Mathdino, please give me some content and your thought process" t
It’s me acknowledging if could be wrong and maybe rethink.
You have already stated you don’t care if I rethink.
There was at least two others who was thinking the same thing I was so saying I was catching flack is untrue."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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Also not true.In post 1241, Mathdino wrote:He was entirely on the Creature wagon. He moved off to sheep me when I started up the Impede wagon again. After that he wanted to wait for Creature's last will/defence/claim which I think is consistent with sheep's general thought process/meta.
Sheep was questioned about sheeping you and denied that was what he was doing."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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It’s tone and feels. Not facts. You understand right?In post 1259, sheepsaysmeep wrote:yeah i just dont react as scum
but saying those reactions are fake is not true andthere's no way you would know if they were faked or not
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I would call that committing. More like Vote parking. It is something I could see scum doing to go back for town cred later. Can’t really talk to them about it though because they aren’t here.In post 1260, havingfitz wrote:There was commitment on Red's part to get Creature lynched. He did come off briefly to vote Una but he was on Creature from post 297 until 852. That is a shit load of opportunities to focus elsewhere. Jay was playing suspect as hell and Red stayed off that wagon. I didn't like Impede D1 and that wagon got up to L-2 with no Red vote on it. If Red was Creature's partner he had plenty of chances to make a legit move away from the Creature wagon. Especially when a large portion of the time Red was on it...it was at L-1 or L-2."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde- Srceenplay
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You will get a dead town.In post 1272, momo wrote:Right now, I wanna focus on the screen lynch and see what we get from that
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