Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Srceenplay]

UNVOTE:

Hello

[Srceenplay]

Anything important that everyone should know?

I’ll iso when needed.

Anyone found a way to break this setup?

[Srceenplay]

JaydragonKing has vote parked on creature?
No one else has seemed scumy to you?

[Srceenplay]

Kop seems to have Vote parked on impede.
Why? What makes them for sure scum and more so than anyone else?

[Srceenplay]

JaydragonKing has vote parked on creature?
No one else has seemed scumy to you?

Creature is evidently the ideal lynch for today....mathdino has also comitted at him so technically

L-2

jay has claimed vigilante

The question was for jay.

SK is possible in this setup, right?

[Srceenplay]

screen is town at first glance

Well that was really fucking easy.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

[Srceenplay]

I’m glancing through some iso’s

Iffy on momo or a50

A50 had a post where they called momo out for slipping but I never noticed a vote.

[Srceenplay]

He's in middle school. Of course it's going to be easy.

screen is town at first glance

Well that was really

fucking easy

.

Oops. Fixed. Sorry.

[Srceenplay]

Go read something in context. ISOs are gonna be pretty bad for anything but tone.

That’s how I get my feels and reads.
It’s from gut/tone.
When something pings me I can go back and figure out why.

[Srceenplay]

Jay is the SK, that’s why he has a survivor wincon. Game solved. Great effort. Let’s go home guys

If any one knows that there is an sk it would be scum, right?

[Srceenplay]

wait, what's going on, why don't those votes count? I'm confused guys

Fake dumb tell

[Srceenplay]

A50: looks town

Creature: nullscum, posting style feels a bit forced

fitz: first serious vote, doesn't really try to take credit for ending RVS, seems town

Impede: i have no idea what he's talking about in regards to Una but probably town just towning around

Jay: seems to be actively playing to his own meta. i don't think his behavior is super alignment indicative in general, and he's kind of a fluffy fluffer. i'm good with lynching him as a player until he learns not to be scummy. but then again he's probably town doing that weird "forced meta" thing

Kop: POLICY LYNCH. idk him giving advice to jay seems really forced, the way he's doing it. like he's speaking as a player and not as a townie?

Red: vague townish vibes

Una: i can't read any of this shit but i hope he contributes soon

everyone else: get in here so i can scumread you pls

Can you elaborate on some of these, because this is striking me as forced reads. Your accusing me of looking forced, this is more forced shit rather than actual reads.

How does Almost50 look town, what does town look like? He's made one RVS vote, and one filler post. How does that make him look town?

Creature, if you believe he is nullscum, why aren't you voting him since he's virtually your only scum read?

Impede, how is he towning around?

Jay, so your happy to lynch someone just to learn them to stop acting scummy, rather than actually lynching someone who you scum read? Do you scum read Jay or not?

Myself, your talking about policy lynching someone on page 4, and no reason because Fitz has painted myself as a policy lynch because of previous games.

Overall, reading these reads, I don't think they are actually genuine reads right now, and is just trying to look active.

VOTE: Mathdino

Agree with kop.
Seems kinda early to have enough confidence in giving reads to that many people.
On top of that, a lot were town leans.

[Srceenplay]

So, both momo and Mathdino are correctly TRing me but for the wrong reasons.

Did that not bother you?

[Srceenplay]

I'm not a fan of this. Gut/tone are more often wrong than right. It's really easy as scum to hide behind gutreads.

Meta dive me and deal with it. That’s my style.
I think it’s just the opposite. Hard to mask your tone but easy to choose your words.

[Srceenplay]

Dino said beforehand that he did it to get discussion going. And while I can't say I truly know Math's playing style, he really doesn't like just gut reads and the thread going out of left field, even though on multiple occasions he contributes to that.

And if you live till day 2 and he has important info, he'll hold it back for a 'reaction test'. You gotta confront him to get anything useful out of him.

So where is Dino to you?
It sounds like you are calling him fake. Is that accurate?

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: impede

I think as of now I would rather this slot be the lynch and I haven’t even seen creature yet.

[Srceenplay]

pagetop yay

I start read again here later.

[Srceenplay]

I haven’t iso impede yet but probably will soonish

[Srceenplay]

And I agree that right now Creature is the better Lynch then Impede. Did you look through his ISO and his responses to suspicion? You can also see his tone.

No but I will.
Iirc someone said creature is not giving anything but impede is.
How the does creature become a better lynch with lack of information?

[Srceenplay]

I don't want to get into that again, but I need people to be more direct.

I'm more willing to believe a cop claim who came out instantly then one who waited like five real world days for that reason as well.

You’ll get used to it.
Dino is right.
Slow play it. Scum might end up doing something that you will be able to counter.

[Srceenplay]

Creature flipping green will turn me to Impede, just for the record.

Before this you are saying you are not ok with their lynch but you leave the door open to lynch the if creature flips green.
Feels a little disingenuous

[Srceenplay]

can we just not wall in general

The case on Impede was wrong. I'm factchecking it. I'm afraid that a few players (cough you, and me earlier) are just skimming well-written cases and being swayed.

If you wanna go that route, trust this tl;dr:

1. The case took a bunch of things out of context
2. A lot of things that make Impede scummy are actually just playstyle, and I can confirm this
3. Impede gets much better and much more readable on D2

Therefore Impede is a bad lynch and we should lynch Creature instead.

Check the votecount and L-1 or declare "intent as of Assemble's replacement showing up".

If his case is wrong and out of context, why don’t you vote them?
But
Instead you vote creature?

[Srceenplay]

I agree with you, but I also want a claim out of Creature ASAP so we have enough time to re-organise a lynch.

This reads to me as role fishing.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Dino

[Srceenplay]

You can follow along from the progression of my quotes to see how much I’ve read.

[Srceenplay]

Oh man am I gonna love talking to you day 2, Screen.

Why not now?

[Srceenplay]

I'm a shitty tonereader; I read based on motivation and general psychology. My read on his motivation is fundamentally based on exactly how much reading he's done, and now that I've said that, Srcumplay would just lie about it.

I defer to people who are provably good tonereaders/gutreaders and people who've played with him before.

@momo:

I was bored and reading mafia games, came across the end of Surreptitious Mafia. Everyone suggested Creature was the town MVP and had amazing reads, but badly communicated them.
Do you feel like this is our highest utility lynch? (aka do you think his game will improve)
Do you think he's playing against his town meta?

So how much more has creature given you to gain a read than I have?

[Srceenplay]

Our townblock is:
momo
sheepsaysmeep
Mathdino
JaydragonKing

right?

Umm, probably, not.

[Srceenplay]

Our townblock is:
momo
sheepsaysmeep
Mathdino
JaydragonKing

right?

Umm, probably, not.

What's wrong with it?

Momo is eh
Sheep has lived up to their name. Plus page tops.
Math feels like a town leader type scum
Jay can potentially be sk. D1 vig claim in my experience isn’t town.

[Srceenplay]

I’m not hammering.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Mathdino

Off to sleep.
Told you he was the town scum leader.

[Srceenplay]

I assume your theory is that I killed A50 to clear myself because everyone paired me with him?

Can you explain your case on me within the context of the flips?

No theory. Haven’t thought much about it yet.
Just thought I’d post before bed.
Best place to start is where I left off.

[Srceenplay]

I like Srceenplay. I don't care for him in this game. He feels different.

Tell me about those feels.

[Srceenplay]

Anyone ever play with Mathdino before?

[Srceenplay]

Not helpful

[Srceenplay]

Math may as well be conftown.

What’s your case?

Bolded sums it up for me.

I’m open to think otherwise but it’s hard.

[Srceenplay]

Math,
Summarize Kop and Fitz for us.

[Srceenplay]

I’m not asking for Poe or anything like that.
I’m asking for your opinion. Town null scum. Describe their play. What do you think about THEM.

[Srceenplay]

The only thing about momo on me that I can see make sense is my impede Vote.
The rest is just bs.
You can’t assume what you do on replace in is what everyone else does.
I replace into all my games the same way. Start playing from then on taking advice as needed. Isoing when someone catches my eye.
I asked Dino for personal thoughts not because I’m following them. I asked so I can see thought process and reasoning. Wanted to see if they were bs’ing their thoughts. Didn’t want to confirm bias and thought it my be away for me to get a fresh look.
In conclusion it feels like momo is defending a buddy.

[Srceenplay]

.me and dino hardly interact like buddies.

Don’t like it.

[Srceenplay]

Dino I’ve explained I am trying to reread you and how. You just disregard it?

[Srceenplay]

Why are we not using hider as a cop clear?

[Srceenplay]

The way I see this right now, is Creature flips scum, Jay and Red will be seen in a better life. If not, they will pretty much become conf!scum buddies....

Actually, the both of them voting Creature seems like something buddies under pressure would do to me

Imma
VOTE: Jaydragonking right now with the intention of lynching red tommorrow, especially if this slot flips scum

Oh and btw, after this post, if Jay does flip scum, I am a likely NK so if jay flips scum, doctor/jailkeeper/whatever protective or bus driving role there is on me

Could be a def of creature and swaying protectives

[Srceenplay]

This right here makes me wonder if I should retire from mafia and quit while I'm ahead. After this game ends, be prepared for a revamped sig.

It was cool, but it didn't really do that much except cause me to make a mental note to never townread you for this type of thing ever again.

This was a long time ago but do you remember what you mean by it impede?

[Srceenplay]

Momo is red still scum buddies with creature? Or impede?

[Srceenplay]

Momo is red still scum buddies with creature? Or impede?

Sorry.

I read momo iso last night before bed.

In it he said Red is scum partners with creature.
Even went as far as to say no matter what creature flips we flip Red next.

He then said similar things about impede.

So I’m asking momo if both of these thoughts still hold true and why.

[Srceenplay]

This right here makes me wonder if I should retire from mafia and quit while I'm ahead. After this game ends, be prepared for a revamped sig.

It was cool, but it didn't really do that much except cause me to make a mental note to never townread you for this type of thing ever again.

This was a long time ago but do you remember what you mean by it impede?

Whenever you tell someone you townread them for something, you inherently make it harder to townread them for that same thing in the future, because they know it will result on a townread and can use it on purpose as scum. The fact that multiple people townread him for his little trick and he was gloating over it make it utterly null for me in future games.

You it’s a forced town tell to you?
Am I reading that right?

[Srceenplay]

Edit: WOW WHAT A GREAT IDEA ITS NOT LIKE I THOUGHT OF THAT ALREADY

Lol you love Screen.

So...?

[Srceenplay]

Ok. I understand now.
I read the part where he caught the slip but didn’t understand it. I didn’t see it.
But
I know what you are saying now.

[Srceenplay]

Jay posted a pool. Someone find it. Thx.

[Srceenplay]

Possible

[Srceenplay]

My first thought was a big shot him.
But
With no vig claim obviously not.

[Srceenplay]

@Srceen...are you asking for our potential hider to claim?

No.
I was thinking if we all said we were hiding behind the same person we could clear a town or find a scum.

I figured out on my own why that is a bad idea.

[Srceenplay]

6. Only after he catches flak for it does he do the "I wanna work with you Mathdino, please give me some content and your thought process" t

Not true.
It’s me acknowledging if could be wrong and maybe rethink.

You have already stated you don’t care if I rethink.
There was at least two others who was thinking the same thing I was so saying I was catching flack is untrue.

[Srceenplay]

He was entirely on the Creature wagon. He moved off to sheep me when I started up the Impede wagon again. After that he wanted to wait for Creature's last will/defence/claim which I think is consistent with sheep's general thought process/meta.

Also not true.
Sheep was questioned about sheeping you and denied that was what he was doing.

[Srceenplay]

yeah i just dont react as scum
but saying those reactions are fake is not true and

there's no way you would know if they were faked or not

absolute bullshit

It’s tone and feels. Not facts. You understand right?

[Srceenplay]

There was commitment on Red's part to get Creature lynched. He did come off briefly to vote Una but he was on Creature from post 297 until 852. That is a shit load of opportunities to focus elsewhere. Jay was playing suspect as hell and Red stayed off that wagon. I didn't like Impede D1 and that wagon got up to L-2 with no Red vote on it. If Red was Creature's partner he had plenty of chances to make a legit move away from the Creature wagon. Especially when a large portion of the time Red was on it...it was at L-1 or L-2.

I would call that committing. More like Vote parking. It is something I could see scum doing to go back for town cred later. Can’t really talk to them about it though because they aren’t here.

[Srceenplay]

Right now, I wanna focus on the screen lynch and see what we get from that

You will get a dead town.
What do you get from that?

[Srceenplay]

Right now, I wanna focus on the screen lynch and see what we get from that

You will get a dead town.
What do you get from that?

Why say this? How does this help anyone?

Because it sounds to me like he’s saying “eh, yolo”
I’m saying no it’s not eh. It is a bad decision. It’s definite. What good comes from it.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: momo

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: momo

Naked vote really sheep -_-

you have disappointed me

You are now in the scummy af section

Out of the blue voting me because of want...the fact that I was scum hunting

Get your vote of me now

Genuinely considering a sheep wagon at this point...not as scummy as screen/assemble but if I need to compromise, I will

A little over exaggerated isn’t momo?

I skimmed sheeps iso.
These are all of their votes this game.

momo, is there any specific reason as to why you asked me waht i think of you? was it just bc i posted a readlist?

anywho VOTE: red l-3 or smth
im comfortable having my vote here

VOTE: jay

VOTE: red
i'll read the impede case later

VOTE: impede
671 bad reaction
more pressure

UNVOTE: until i read dino's response

VOTE: momo

So momo, what else was you expecting?

[Srceenplay]

In a side note.
Sheep is now on page 2 of their iso.
And that’s all of their votes.

[Srceenplay]

no one has given full reasons for this shit.

I’ve implied.
It seems AnonymousGhost is on the same thought line as me.
UnaBombaH has obviously also on the same page. Even states as much.
Sheep voting as well implies to me that they agree.

[Srceenplay]

No

[Srceenplay]

No

Sorry that wasn’t clear.

Tracker, Gunsmith, 1-shot Commuter

No

[Srceenplay]

UNVOTE:

[Srceenplay]

The assumption is we are looking for a 1 and 1. Correct?

[Srceenplay]

I'm also townreading Math for this idea. I do not see any possible way scum could benefit from this, as it massively enhances the power of a town role they have no way of knowing could be present.

Agreed-o.

I mean, I CAN see how scum might try to abuse this in their NK planning, but if we manage to steer their night actions towards sub-optimal with theoretical claims, I still think its good for us.

Almost50

,

momo

and

creature

are scumteam

1 in 3 rule. Calling our Red, Creature & Una for the Scum team.

This is such a BS line-up.
While I can't slot Red OR Creature well enough yet, I'd be willing to say there's 0 scum in this list!

Since we are throwing shit around, I almost feel like calling the scumteam here and now, but I want to see more interactions first.

Who here can see scum!Almost50 without me explaining it? (again)

Everyone is welcome to discuss the slot obviously, but I want to especially hear from Mathdino, Impede, havingfitz and momo - if you'll humor me on this, Id appreciate it!

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[Srceenplay]

Im going back and reevaluating.
If we are 1 and 1 associations is a little harder.
Obviously momo and Dino wouldn’t be a team.
So I’m taking a step back.

So new Poe is una kop hawk.
Somewhat fitz

[Srceenplay]

I’m not sheeping a50.
I am quoting posts that caught my attention from una iso.

In one post una talks about seeing benefits for scum.
He emphasized I CAN.
I know everyone is going to say it’s nothing to go on but in felt foreshadowing to me.

On the next one A50 gives his scum team.
Una says he doesn’t think any of them are right, lol.
Again another thing everyone will probably say is nothing but it’s little nuances that I notice.

[Srceenplay]

@Screen

Can you explain why Kop, Hawk, and fitz are in that list?

No. Not to your satisfaction.

[Srceenplay]

I don't think anyone is SK hunting yet exce

That could be telling, hmm

[Srceenplay]

except Una.

[Srceenplay]

we haven't heard from in a while i.e. Una, Kop, Hawk,

This is kinda how I came to my new Poe.
I’m making the assumption that scum might be letting town eat each other apart.

[Srceenplay]

I also think una could be the last scum.

Someone please go through his iso and see if something feels off.
I did and my gut is telling me that’s where to look.

[Srceenplay]

Don’t call it good and then ignore it.

[Srceenplay]

Yes.


I’m about to play catan with the family.
I’ll try to get on once more before Night is over.

[Srceenplay]

ge.

so he's going to be useless both by day and by night, regardless of his alignment.

I have like a lot of games I was one of the most useful town members.

I'm just not very inspired rn and you can see this is sitewide.

I hope you become more active soon!
I have no trouble believing in your skills, and I've been very distracted myself recently, so I can sympathize..

Buddy-buddy. I would not at all expect this interaction to come from scum-scum honestly. Scum just wouldn't say anything here.

Wasn’t it said scum don’t have day talk?
It looks to me like a buddy giving a subtle pep talk message.

[Srceenplay]

Quotes got messed up.

Fixed.

[Srceenplay]

Hiding behind me prevents other hiders from hiding behind me and confirming me. Also shows strangely little concern for dying since I'm an obvious NK target. Could be one of the killers.

If you want an explanation why you didn’t die this is definitely it.
Add that to the point that I mentioned about A50 pegging the team and it makes more sense.

[Srceenplay]

I’ll read someone else tomorrow.
It’s midnight and I have work.

[Srceenplay]

Is math alone in thinking una is sk?

[Srceenplay]

Is math alone in thinking una is sk?

Why are you voting him then?

My interpretation is because you think he killed A50.

Well in all likelihood, SK killed A50.

I think they are scum and already stated that.
So I guess I’m asking every is una
Town
Mafia
Sk

[Srceenplay]

Not maf bloc: {momo, Impede, Ghost, Hawk, Screen}
Lynchpool: {sheep, Kop, fitz}

Kinda both: {Una}

If una has a high chance of being either one or the other, why do you keep voting somewhere else?
Let’s sort it right now and we know who we are looking for after that flip.
Right now I feel like una is mafia and math is sk. Math knows this and is using una is sk to distance himself from sk. He is trying to vote elsewhere to keep a scum role alive one more night.
Thoughts?

[Srceenplay]

SK is harder if it's not Impede. Why do we think Una would have shot A50?

I'd like to hear this too.

I think a50 called out the mafia team. Yes hey then got taken out before they could continue the next day.

[Srceenplay]

I still think Math is either
A) SK
or
B) just a town that gets everywhere, maths everything, and is a decently good guy towards others too.

Somehow it's still easier to accept A.

I can see this as well but math will not be flipped first.
Sorry una it’s going to have to be you.

[Srceenplay]

Did math say L-1? I forgot.

[Srceenplay]

Still say it’s the wrong lynch.

VOTE: sheep

[Srceenplay]

Don’t even.

[Srceenplay]

Don’t even.

dude i definitely alluded to that idea multiple times

ghost never went after sheep and redflavor hypoclaimed sheep as his target

You didn’t care about trusting that thought earlier.

[Srceenplay]

We need to move the day on.
We are stuck in a rut nothing is changing.
So let’s make change happen.

[Srceenplay]

If math was worried about it they wouldn’t have waffled on una. Saying the have a chance to be either scum or sk. But hey let’s vote sheep, the person who I think might be cleared from someone.

Sounds to me like they were trying to force a PR claim.

[Srceenplay]

Ehh

[Srceenplay]

Screenplay tried to argue that by defending Una from a lynch, I was the SK who knew that Una was mafia and wanted to keep mafia alive longer to shoot more townies.

This isn’t a defense for you.

[Srceenplay]

I’m giving you one more game day Dino. I think you deserve that much. If you don’t give us the win today.
Then I’m Vote parking you.

[Srceenplay]

Math has the best alibi since they were buddies and mutual TRs. Stupid N1 kill for him tho by that logic.

Um not stupid at all.
If you see someone actively solving the game and you declared a town read on them the most logical thing to assume is you have to NK them.

[Srceenplay]

Agree

[Srceenplay]

I might be the role cop and have an inno on math

[Srceenplay]

ok guys it doesn't work if you voted and tried to push the guy you have an inno on

Winfom good sir. I’m not voting you.

[Srceenplay]

Random piss off post before while I’m at a concert.
Fuck ya!

[Srceenplay]

Where is he at?
I can vote him.

[Srceenplay]

L-?

[Srceenplay]

I’ll hammer either or I suppose

[Srceenplay]

I’ll vote Fitz in 2 hours.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Fitz

[Srceenplay]

Thanks for the game mod.
Gg everyone.
Especially you Mathdino. Gg.