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First

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Nvm, fifth

First fifth

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VOTE: profii

Serious vote

Flashwagon obvscum pls

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reported

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profii is scum just in case you missed the memo

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no but profii is even more scum now

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Why isn't profii lynched yet

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flavor leaf scum

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2 scum found, ez game.

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Not sure if Sauce is parodying himself or if he's serious tbh

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Good lynches:

profii
Flavor Leaf
Sauce

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

lets go boys and girls

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Yes

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L Y N C H F L A V O R L E A F

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S A U C E I S N E X T

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S A U C E I S S C U M

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But not if thor is scum

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Is sauce really insisting setup spec is more valuable early day 1 than later on with flip info?

Because I can lynch that.

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VOTE: Sauce

so scum

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is sauce real life

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after sauce we do flavor leaf

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Oh the obvious scum is still alive what a shame

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eth0s iso is the saddest thing i've ever seen

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Lalendra's is also the saddest thing ever

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Flavor Leaf is probably town despite gimmick

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VOTE: eth0s

New and exciting direction for the game

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Hyung has joined the saddest ever iso club

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My iso is the greatest

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Hi guys what's up

Hey dude

VOTE: Hyung

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VOTE: sauce

every time it talks i wanna lynch it more

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Back on the sauce wagon, never stop never stopping

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will lynch:

ethos
hyung
sauce
lalendra

sauce #1 preference, hyung is next even tho they shoulda been replaced by now (saying hello is not making posts)

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Ethos is fluffy, weak content

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vote [1] Sauce

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Actually no, the 2 strongest wagons in the game so far have been the ones I was pushing. My influence on the game so far is anything but weak.

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Don't confuse short comments with fluff.

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Every time I'm trying to gain momentum someone has to obstruct me, insult me and get a rise out of me. Here you go: Fuck you rb

Good scum AtE

#VoteSauce

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Where did I say people are admiring me?

You're saying I'm fluffy and have weak content - yet my game is anything but fluffy. I'm making strong reads and pushing on them. You're reduced to pathetic omgus and joking around, with no content in between.

Your play should speak for itself, and it doesn't. You should be able to say, "these posts I've made are good" - but you can't, all you can do is deflect attention from how bad your play is with OMGUS and "no you" defence.

Weak. Vig shot here if we have one, otherwise definite lynch in the next couple of days.

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What's scummy about my play. Instead of flailing, produce content.

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It doesn't seem like you care much about reads at all actually.

You FoS Thor, but no follow-up. Profii is one of your best townreads, who is townreading me (apparently your biggest scumread) but you seem not to be concerned about this.

You initially make a vote on me as OMGUS, but now apparently it's that I'm scummy - so which part is scummy? You're neither providing reads or any kind of useful analysis.

In contrast to me, who is making clear reads and pushing in the direction of those reads, you are making barely any reads, except when asked three times by someone you townread.

If you townread them, why so reluctant to cooperate?

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Oh and if my play is scummy, why are you willing to ignore it as long as I'm not calling you out as scum? This doesn't make sense from a town perspective.

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why is flavor leaf still alive

Sadly he's probably town.

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If you townread them, why so reluctant to cooperate?

Where am I not cooperating? It's pretty funny/ironic to me that your 2 biggest posts (by far) are both directed at me because you're getting mad that I am calling your posts fluff.

Oh and if my play is scummy, why are you willing to ignore it as long as I'm not calling you out as scum? This doesn't make sense from a town perspective.

obviously because you're foiling my plans and trying to make me lose!! /s

Mad? No.

You're a scumread of mine, and one that multiple people are townreading. That's a problem. I'm exposing how contentless your play is.

Cute. At what point when people ask you questions are you going to actually respond with content?

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VOTE: eth0s

If Sauce is scum, he'll never win the game. I'd rather lynch this.

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So eth0s - is vote hopping scummy? Why? If it is, why were you ignoring it until I voted you?

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Technically towns win more often when you lynch town on Day 1
:^)

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The stats are from the 2+2 mafia forums, compiled from more than 500 games. It's weird but it's true, I cbf talking about the details and I don't think it's good play to actually try and lynch town but it's true.

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Eth0s has thoughts?

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^ just lynch this, it's scum.

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Dunker is actually giving content.

Brevity =/= scummy.

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Also town tone

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Obviously the best way to scumhunt is to write the necessary posts one deems sufficient in order to make in unmistakably clear to the objective observer that one is town. Then, if everyone or at least a majority has been given the chance to do so we can start applying pressure. And then if there are inconsistencies or slips or lack of the qualities I've invoked earlier in this game that pertain to townieness, then one can objectively say upon scrutinizing them, that one has succeeded in scumhunting and the rest is up to the fellow townies.

Not everyone plays the game like it's a neat little package.

VOTE: sauce

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I'm not even trolling Sauce, he trolls himself.

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dunker is town, abort wagon thx

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oh, flavor leaf is 3rd party

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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just trust me on this please and thank you

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lolno

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If I’m SK third party, I’ll help you guys out and kill scum. Leash me.

and yeah this is a 3rd party claim

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lynch the scum AtE tbh

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good way to let him coast by no-killing

just vote him, i guarantee i'm not wrong on this one

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There is no possible way that townRb and townThor could see me as not town at this point. Thor at least mentioned it.

Ive seen you be absolutely toxic and even mention being suicidal to evoke pity as scum for the sake of getting townreads, so no, there's nothing you've done that convinces me you're town.

Just lynch this already.

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Thor isn’t super green for me anymore, profii. There’s no way i shouldn’t be obv town, even if it’s obnoxious policy lynchable town to him.

I have the most content out there, the most reads, the most everything. My trajectory has been laid down this entire game. I am mothafuckin conftown Boon here. Boon will refer to boon’s self in third person now. You lot should do the same. You may also call me your highness, or emperor.

Aaaaand my vote is parked.

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Uh, I think you're scum and you suddenly being toxic doesn't make you not scum.

I never said you were scum for being toxic, you're just twisting my words at this point to justify an OMGUS vote that has no actual basis.

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Anyway I really have no interest in dealing with your histrionics so my vote is parked and i'll prod dodge until one of us is lynched. If I get lynched just lynch FL afterwards.

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Lynch the Leaf™

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I think there is probably one thing we are all agreed on for now

VOTE: hyung

Actually, no.

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VOTE: rb

conftown

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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np

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oh my profii is scum

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I will also say I'm very confident Dunkers vs FL is TvS so if we get green on 1 today, I may very well vote park tomorrow.

under normal circumstances i'd lynch this with extreme prejudice

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I really want to know how you're very confident that Dunkers vs FL is TvS?

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Why could it not be TvT - how is that an excuse to vote park tomorrow? All super bad reasoning and wouldn't at all surprise me if you were scum knowing that one of them was going to flip green.

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We're definitely lynching profii tomorrow regardless of the FL flip

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And I don't wanna see any wifom shit around this either. If I am kill, you are lynch profii

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Don't. Even. Think. Twice.

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Because 2 reasons: if this is scum FL - profii/FL are distancing rn.

If this is town FL, I trust that a player who thor, boon and myself all scumread is very very likely scum, because I townread thor. Maybe all 3 of us are wrong but I doubt that.

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I prefer to keep on the wagon already strong than start derailing. You're both getting lynched either way fmpov, and you're a claimed VT already so you're the better option than running up profii. Who knows, maybe he's a PR and will have a verifiable night action.

In this situation the best bet is to lynch the VT claim.

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lol, stop self-voting

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vote flavor for me, because he's now claimed like 4 different power roles, after self-voting and saying, "I'm VT, just lynch me"

^^ all of which is just tactics to try get people to not vote him. I suggest that we should lynch him since he's the VT claim, and profii might be PR - then he conveniently makes a PR claim after 3 apparently fake PR claims, a VT claim + self-vote, now back to a PR claim.

This is all so absurd it wouldn't even surprise me if you're just both scum and fucking around for the lulz right now to see how much chaos you can sew through the town before you lose the game. Flavor has made I think 5 claims now? The thing is it's not even haphazard though, it feels totally fucking calculated and scummy, not at all like town frustration. And no, toxicity doesn't equal town frustration, the way it's all timed feels very deliberately designed to throw people off - not like "wow I'm frustrated."

So here's the thing, Flavor is confident in his Thor townread, I'm confident in my Thor townread. If FL dies, and he's town, I'm pretty confident Thor is town. You're both getting lynched, regardless of flips - and there's so much fuckery surrounding Flavor Leaf's claims now. It's absurd, we're at the point of the day where we want to consolidate and clean the game up, not keep loose ends open and flail.

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In light of FL's previous claims, I can't see this as anything but more desperate scum tactics:

> "I'm VT, you can just lynch me"
> I suggest he's the better lynch because he's VT, and profii might be a power role
> "jokes, I'm a confirmable PR, so you shouldn't lynch me now right?"

Just no. Literally just no way do I take Claim #5 seriously when it's timed like that after the way this day has gone.

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^^ all of which is just tactics to try get people to not vote him.

This is the point. He has been using massive AtE to push the town where he wants them to go.
As I said, even by just quoting and read-listing it's really easy for him to see who is following him and who is contesting him, then whatever direction that happens to be = aim the majority at that lynch.


out of interest, are you still flipping FL tomorrow when I flip VT today?

You're both getting flipped. I want FL first. You can go tomorrow. I believe FL is scum, I'm completely certain, and on the off-chance I'm wrong I'd say you're a very viable partner if he flips scum and if he flips town well shit, but then I have a lot of confidence you're scum.

My individual scumread on FL is stronger than on you right now. Yeah it's a bit weird but I want to see his flip. Just because you're being lynched next doesn't mean the game is over. I think this direction is the right one, but I can't realistically say that it will definitely win the game. I think you're likely to both be scum, I'm very certain FL will flip scum, I think he's realised he would be the lynch and I think much of his play is deliberately chaotic and confusing as a result.

The person playing off his chaotic play the most, is you. But if he IS town, I think Boon has decent reads. Better than average at least. I think Thor and myself also have better than average reads generally.

I'm covering all bases here, but the correct play is to lynch the slot with like...5 claims. Boon can be erratic as either alignment, but this feels like measured and manipulative erraticism, his tone feels very disjointed whereas his town tone is generally consistent.

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If you are town, you shouldn't self vote. You're the only player you literally KNOW is town. Even if it feels inevitable, it's just silly. For all you know FL is scum or a scum PR, you can't ever KNOW he's not the same way you absolutely KNOW your alignment.

It's the trajectory of the game maybe, but you should be just focussing on how you can help us tomorrow if you're town. Give reads, ask questions. This day has flip-flopped around, maybe it will tomorrow. Just because I think right now we should lynch FL and then you, doesn't mean it will go that way tomorrow. What if we have a cop? Or what if we have a night action that changes this game around?

There's night actions between now and Day2 - so today, I want my strongest scumread lynched.

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Unsubscribing this game now.

F A K E

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I don’t care anymore. I’m doing my best to give my thoughts on everything and explaining everything, but it literally doesn’t matter what I say to certain people. So I’m not going to play here anymore. It’s not fun for me, and it’s not even playing the game.

Next time I play a game and don’t speak in it, this is why. Because certain players will vote and funnel me endlessly no matter what I do, so there’s no point in playing the game in those cases.

Don't make 5 different claims?

Don't AtE everyone second post?

Your behaviour and enjoyment are in your own hands really.

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unofficially

Sauce: acryon
Lalendra: Dunkers
Flavor Leaf(L-3): rb, profii, lalendra
profii(L-2): Thor665, flavour leaf, hyung, sauce

n/v - eth0s

For some reason I thought the deadline was sooner. Okay well I guess we can wriggle a bit.

Thor: why is Sauce the scummiest player in the game for you?

What do you think of eth0s play so far?

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Jodaxq, thoughts on your slot claiming 2-shot Doc?

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Okay that's actually fairly consistent, but do you really think eth0s is just bad at the game and that's why he's lacking content? How do you rule out that he might just be coasting scum?

Sauce read makes sense, although I don't know it's accurate either because fruatrated town do tend to be simultaneously toxic + defensive. I'm not familiar with either player's ability level so I can't make a read on contribution to potential ratio. To me they just both seem underwhelming.

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Can you verify the claim?

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It was probably me, I said not to lynch Hyung

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Still not getting the eth0s townreads though

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UNVOTE: jodaxq

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Dunker is town

but Dunker that's such a bad vote

Dunker stop badvoting

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VOTE: Sauce

jodax is reallyfuckingtown

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why dont you just play without calling people inferior morons. might be more enjoyable

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Time to squeeze the sauce bottle

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No ketchup, just sauce
Raw sauce

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Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

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I have literally no read on lalendra because I feel that she's likely lynchbait as either alignment.

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i'd lynch eth0s any day of the week

unless it's against you're ethos please prepare yourselves to see eth0s lynchededededed in the next game day

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Just say dayphase and day, it's easier.

Sauce's posting is just sad, even if you take it as some kind of parody. This recent exchange is ridiculous, Thor is speaking plainly and you're turning the words into problems with mental gymnastics.

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Summary is vote Sauce

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I think sauce was a stupid lynch and once I have my homework done today I will explain why

How about you just find scum today?

This is worthless to go over. If you think the wagon is scum driven you look there. If it's just a stupid wagon driven by town, well hey you did literally nothing all yesterday and looks like you plan on doing nothing today either.

VOTE: eth0s

This is where I should have stayed yesterday.

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oh and the only other player who i just cant read is rb - he is ever severely misguided town or blatant scum

And you know I'm misguided how?

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Just so it's clear, I'm voting eth0s because he's the most fakely active player in the game and the claim to explain why the Sauce wagon is bad is just as fake active. He flipped town, we know it's bad - that helps us find scum how exactly?

I'm so over shit players like this, half this game are just impotent - fucking DO SOMETHING.

Kop how do you need notes just to give reads? You've already read (presumably) but you can't remember amything at all?

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Where am I even remotely explaining that lynching Sauce was bad play apart from just pointing out he was town so it's obviously bad and no further explanation is needed?

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And no, because despite what logic dictates I'm back to old rb. Humans are inconsistent, illogical, hypocritical, lazy idiot fucks. Every single piece of batshit stupid play that logic would dictate is 'scummy' is invariably an unreliable scumtell because hey, people are fucking stupid.

Sauce was being beyond fucking ridiculous, yet he's town. Flavor Leaf made FIVE FUCKING CLAIMS AFTER ONE VOTE, but he's town. And BOTH of them had the audacity to blame basically everyone else for them being obvious shitlords.

So no, fuck logic - this game works by feel and intuition because no amount of logic can disentangle the incalculable heights of human idiocy to determine which players are simply just fucking dumb because they're mad/upset and which players are actually being deceptive.

Eth0s makes my skin crawl with his glib persona. Hyung is probably just useless.

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Oh I see what you've misunderstood - talking about quality of play of active players and how you think it comes from scumminess is not a waste of time.

Talking about how Sauce was a bad lynch, when he's already flipped town and we all know it's a bad lynch, is a waste of time.

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/rant

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eth0s;

you made an early post saying FL and Dunkers looks like town vs scum.

Then you gradually moved your read on dunkers from null to getting as far as placing a vote on him.

Later, you also placed a vote on Flavor Leaf.


Can you just take us through you thinking here and highlight anything that caused you to change you reads in relation to these 2 players please?

Still working on homework but I will get to this soon.

VOTE: rb
calm down you angry, scummy, little boy.

lol yah, this is scum

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Like, if what he's doing isn't legit, then same for you, and vice versa.
It's the same thing.

Uh, no they're not.

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What if the goal is assessing the play of the people who did a 'bad lynch' to find active players playing badly as a scumtell?

Nothing about eth0s play so far suggests he intends to do or is even capable of doing such a thing. You said it yourself: your townread on him is based on your perception of his ability - more succinctly, you're okay with him playing shitty because he's a shitty player.

You weren't okay with Sauce because apparently you think Sauce was more capable, therefore should have had better content - but clearly that's wrong.

So I wonder how being wrong on Sauce affects your reads on the game. You were convinced enough that he was scum that you voted him early Day1, and never once considered moving vote, even pulling for more people to join you on his wagon.

So I'm curious, now that you want to lynch Kop - is this a standalone scumread on Hyung/Kop, and if so or if not - how did the Sauce flip affect it?

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Oh good, eth0s is going to explain more thoughts about a player that's already flipped. I can't wait to hear thoughts about FL, who is now confirmed town.

Going to be very useful in finding scum for sure !

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If we aren't doing eth0s, I think I want to do Lalendra.

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Gambler's fallacy

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Well since neither are suspecting each other:

- eth0s how is Dunkers town this game, and why?
- Dunkers, same about eth0s

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Jodaxq's number 1 suspect was Lalendra, just btw.

I feel like it's a weird kill and it wouldn't surprise me if Lalendra was scum.

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Also I really won't have time until Friday, since I have three 11 hour work days in a row coming up but if someone can look into Acryon (I have no real read) that'd be great.

We need to play today with some conviction, a lot of people are floundering and that's kinda fine on Day1 but with 2 flips we should be building pressure on our respective top scumreads.

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> dunker and lalendra are my top2 scumreads
*doesnt vote either of them*

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So I'm curious, now that you want to lynch Kop - is this a standalone scumread on Hyung/Kop, and if so or if not - how did the Sauce flip affect it?

The Sauce flip affected it in the way I already described, wherein I don't think both scum were needed to lynch Sauce.
Am I losing you on that description somehow?

Your Eth0s vote, now, by your own admission, is intrinsic upon a theory expection of an analysis he hasn't done yet. That's thin.
WHat's your take on Kop slot?

Huh, that's not what my vote is. Eth0s has been my top scumread most of the game and I've given numerous reasons. On the other hand, every reason for a townread on him is pithy.

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Iffy* not pithy

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Thor you're now playing mental gymnastics like Sauce was. Are you okay?

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Gut read in what way though? Tone?

Which posts make your gut feel good? Because when I get gut reads there's still certain posts or interactions that I can't fully explain but I can reference for others to think about.

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I think that's player specific. I appear to care less when I'm scum - what do you think about Dunkers saying eth0s is playing similar to a recent scum game?

If you think eth0s is town and we're getting this wrong, you need to mobilize sooner rather than later. Especially since Dunker is a top scumread of yours? You seem oddly infifferent to a lynch on someone you think is town, being pushed by someone you think is scum.

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@RB - you're saying a lot at me without saying much while accussing me of making the conversation hard, while I'm thinking it's you.
So let's reset;

1. Please in a short version, state why you scumread Eth0s

2. State your read on Kop.

Feel free to ask me anything you are being confused by.

1. Read my iso. I'm not in the habit of restating things for everyone who doesn't choose to read.
2. Townread, hyung seemed genuinely overwhelmed and Kop is playing town from my pov

Not confused by anything really, other than how you seem to not be following my thoughts on eth0s.

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Interesting profii. So do you think maybe Thor is acting a bit slow in this conversation and it might be similar to thor/sauce. I don't really see Thor as being all that scummy, despite disagreeing.

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Profii is likely town

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Thor you really aren't reading the thread are you

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what is the game where dunker and ethos played

need to verify who's lying at this point

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Cbf finding it tbh

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How does me combing through my ISO and quoting myself make more sense than you just reading my ISO? I don't expect people to ever repeat themselves, because it's incredibly boring, frustrating and fills the game with redundant fluff.

People should just read the game, and if there's certain things you don't get then you can ask. What about my posts concerning my eth0s scumread do you not find convincing?

Show me you're reading in the first place before I start rehashing the spoonfeeding you.

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Yeah that's interesting that Jodax gets NK'd and he doesn't pursue that thought trail.

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I've lost interest in this game. Thor is unreal levels of anal retentive.

VOTE: Dunker

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still loling i got shot

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I don't think i've ever rolled a vig and every time a vig is in my town they kill an active and outspoken town player. either me or another strong player instead of a lurker

Protip: if you suck, vig a lurker instead of an active player

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As far as I can tell from your ISO you voted town 20 times scum 1 time at full confdidence and the one time scum got wagoned you said “actually,no””


So I wouldn’t be complaining I was shot tbh

lol why are you commenting in the game you didn't play