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Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:17 am

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VOTE: eth0s for putting a number in your name
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Post Post #35 (isolation #1) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:02 am

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Agreeing with Thor that the content profii is producing doesn't feel town. I especially dislike his push on rb, I didn't see anything alignment-indicative in what he said. 25 feels forced and as if he is trying to generate content. I'm fairly certain that of the people he mentioned, most are town and 1-2 are his buddies. Also not sure why he's trying so hard to breadcrumb his alignment/role this early.

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Post Post #37 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:17 am

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It's REALLY early, so I don't really feel the need to vote him until I'm sure. His later posts could redeem him, so I wanted to see more first.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 49, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Lalendra
Any explanation?
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Post Post #71 (isolation #4) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:46 pm

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In post 69, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 55, rb wrote:flavor leaf scum
probably
In post 57, Lalendra wrote:
In post 49, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Lalendra
Any explanation?
scum
FL is scum for random voting me, or I'm scum for asking him why? Asking for an explanation for a vote on me is NAI, I always do that.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #5) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:10 pm

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The only posts I made between this
In post 49, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Lalendra
In post 51, Flavor Leaf wrote:
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And this
In post 77, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: eth0s
In post 79, Flavor Leaf wrote:
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Were these
In post 57, Lalendra wrote:
In post 49, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Lalendra
Any explanation?
In post 71, Lalendra wrote:
In post 69, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 55, rb wrote:flavor leaf scum
probably
In post 57, Lalendra wrote:
In post 49, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Lalendra
Any explanation?
scum
FL is scum for random voting me, or I'm scum for asking him why? Asking for an explanation for a vote on me is NAI, I always do that.
He never answered my question in 57, and I don't think either of those posts would be (or should be) enough to move me out of scum territory if that's how he was reading me. (He also forgot me completely in the second readslist, but I'm interpreting the fact that he changed his vote from me to eth0s, and the fact that he had only eth0s in the scum category the second time, as him changing his SR of me.)

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Post Post #104 (isolation #6) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:02 am

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In post 89, acryon wrote:
In post 88, Sauce wrote:
In post 87, acryon wrote:I can't imagine scum playing this recklessly so I'm not going to endorse any vote there.
Reckless how?
Putting a giant target on his head by not posting a single original comment. Best-case scenario he looks like unhelpful town which often end up being lynch-worthy.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, it's kind of my only misgiving about FL being scum right now - he's a better player than this as scum. But, he also tends to get onto stylistic tangents like this and eventually comes around if he gets mad enough, or if town is dumb enough. (I guess those two are basically the same lol)
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Post Post #115 (isolation #7) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:51 am

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I have a hard time reading sauce because I for sure thought he was scum in a recent game and he wasn't. I think my scumread of him is based on playstyle so I'm holding off on that for now.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:44 pm

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If you were trying to lynch him for toxicity I could get behind that. Not really seeing sauce!scum at this point tbh.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:35 am

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In post 172, Thor665 wrote:Do you see Saucetown?
Also, why do you see Flavour as scum and not Sauce? They're basically both doing the same thing (posting garbage in a gimmick way) but at least Flavour's garbage is generally readable and more game related, no?
Like I said, I have a hard time reading Sauce and my last game wanted to deathtunnel him when he was town, largely because of his posting style. So I'm null there for now until I'm able to develop a better read. However, the way FL is playing right now is very different from both his town and scum games, so I'm honestly not sure what he's up to. But he tends to be pretty passionate as town and we haven't seen that yet, maybe just because it's still so early.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:46 am

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In post 188, profii wrote:Lalendra is playing defense. I'd like to see her offense.
I don't have strong enough reads at the moment to be offensive (heh). But when I get there, you'll know.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:05 am

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In post 236, Sauce wrote:
In post 214, rb wrote:Lalendra's is also the saddest thing ever
LAL
In post 204, Lalendra wrote:I don't have strong enough reads at the moment to be offensive (heh).
Lalendra is obviously happy, just look at that delightful '(heh)'.
HI SAUCE

Why can't I read you

I hate it
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Post Post #244 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:06 am

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Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?
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Post Post #246 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:54 am

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Hm. Guess we'll just have to wait til he gets mad and see how that plays out. I haven't seen him try a gimmick like this before that I can recall so I'm not sure yet if it's AI.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:47 am

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In post 248, profii wrote:
In post 244, Lalendra wrote:Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?
In post 245, acryon wrote:
In post 244, Lalendra wrote:Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?
I don't think so. See from him.
Acryon - given I mentioned this and you gave the same answer. (Approx post 90ish) It stands to reason that Lalendra isn’t reading the thread in any great detail (confirmed by a distinct lack of offense)

Do you think this lack of attention could be down to being scum and knowing who the scum are?

Because I do!

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That would be a fairly obvious scumtell, one that scum would be silly to make. Also I don't generally go back and read completed games, particularly if they are linked by the person in question; someone who is aware of their meta can easily manipulate it so it doesn't give me any information. That's why I asked about setup-related reasons and wanted to hear from someone other than FL himself.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:50 am

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In post 249, acryon wrote:Possible. The thing I have issue with for Lalendra is the overall content. Outside of their first few posts, every post has been about FL or Sauce. For Sauce, it's sort of pushing people away from him as scum, and for FL it's an internal struggle about whether his playstyle is scum or NAI.
It's easy to focus on two players when one of them has a distinct posting style that is drawing attention to themselves, and the other (who I guess also has a distinct posting style) is engaged in a 1v1 with someone which looks fairly pointless to me, but generated a lot of content.

If you're curious about my other reads, I think you are town. Jury is out on profii. I don't like dunkerdoodle's and rb's style of posting but don't know that it is NAI. Plus I am not overly familiar with the flavor so I have to step back a little from my normal way of reading people and take into account any setup info which may influence playstyle.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:50 am

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In post 253, Lalendra wrote:don't know that it is AI
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Post Post #257 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:03 am

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In post 255, profii wrote:I’m not asking you to read other games but I was pointing out you had missed this here 90
I guess I'm not clear on the difference between a theme game (which acryon pointed out this isn't, in 91) and one with flavor like this. Maybe I'm just getting caught up in semantics.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:07 am

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That's what I was referring to, yes. 28, 46, 65, 68, 113, 120, 128, 130, 151, 172, 178, 181 and 206 were all about Sauce, either completely or almost. That's more than half of his ISO.

p-edit: Thanks for the clarification Arch!
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Post Post #291 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 287, profii wrote:Well that choice of language was... saucy
Pun game on point, profii is locktown.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:45 am

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Feeling a lot better about both eth0s and dunker in light of recent posts.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:08 am

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In post 347, acryon wrote:
In post 346, Lalendra wrote:Feeling a lot better about both eth0s and dunker in light of recent posts.
Which posts by them have made you feel better?
Nothing specific, mainly the fact that they are now posting game-related content and I can follow and understand the thought progression behind their posts.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:25 am

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I think at the moment, I'm leaning towards dunkerdoodles, hyung and either Thor or Sauce. Dunkerdoodles because I haven't seen much meaningful content from them, and they are getting townread by people for what seems like very little to no reason. Hyung because they haven't posted enough for me to really get a read on them and partly PoE. Thor/Sauce because I don't believe this is scum theater or TvT, it feels like it's genuine, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is town and which one is scum who is spitballing.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:33 am

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VOTE: Sauce
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Post Post #384 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:46 am

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I had a hard time telling who was being genuine in the Thor v. Sauce exchange, but this latest Acryon v. Sauce feels like he is doing exactly what he is accusing Acryon of doing - gaslighting, being accusatory, calling people's intelligence or psychological state into question, and refusing to let things go after the answer has already been made clear. Scum aren't usually this aggressive but something about all of this just feels off to me.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:07 am

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In post 393, rb wrote:I'm not even trolling Sauce, he trolls himself.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:10 am

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In post 394, Thor665 wrote:And, actually, my trolling only really lasted for about two or so posts when you were spouting off like a jackass.
I'm much more 'meh' on you now that I realize you never say anything.
The whole wall with Acronyn, numbers notwithstanding, was basically just you going 'you're stupid' at him over and over. There's nothing behind you, and you haven't even made one read outside of deciding who is or is not stupid the entire game. If you're town, you're playing in a way I suggest is poor. If you're scum, your play is wonderful - but I'm going to lynch you for it.
That might be it - high post count, defensiveness, aggressiveness and condescension, without any real scum hunting.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #27) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:11 am

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Last game I had with him he was town, and I wanted to lynch him for playstyle, but he was also death tunneling someone by this point. I'm not really seeing that here.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #28) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:14 am

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In post 411, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lalendra is her usual mislynch self.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #29) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:17 am

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In post 418, profii wrote:Woah we’re half way here, woooahhh, we should probably check the vote count
I'm still laughing at this
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Post Post #459 (isolation #30) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:20 am

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In post 429, Dunkerdoodles wrote:tbf boon flavor probably vt or scum not pr
What makes you say that? And why would you say "cc pr" in the post immediately before this one, and then not claim? You do realize that "counterclaim" is a compound noun which hinges on the word "claim", right?
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Post Post #460 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:21 am

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In post 438, rb wrote:
In post 436, Flavor Leaf wrote:If I’m SK third party, I’ll help you guys out and kill scum. Leash me.
and yeah this is a 3rd party claim
Yeah I wasn't buying the third-party thing until I saw this, which fortunately was only about four posts down
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Post Post #463 (isolation #32) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:52 am

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In post 461, Sauce wrote:
In post 456, Lalendra wrote:Last game I had with him he was town, and I wanted to lynch him for playstyle, but he was also death tunneling someone by this point. I'm not really seeing that here.
In my previous game I told you to townread me, and you refused.
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In post 411, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lalendra is her usual mislynch self.
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Not impressive :/
Right, and I also admitted that I was wrong not to townread you. Then again, here you haven't asked me to townread you, so by your logic does that mean I shouldn't be, if the asking is so important?
And for the second, I wasn't trying to be impressive, I was being funny. Lighten up.
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Post Post #537 (isolation #33) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:01 pm

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In post 475, Sauce wrote:
In post 463, Lalendra wrote: Right, and I also admitted that I was wrong not to townread you. Then again, here you haven't asked me to townread you, so by your logic does that mean I shouldn't be, if the asking is so important?
I don't think you have, until now. Is it wise to scour for logic where there was no intent to produce it, nor defy it? I don't remember you relying so heavily on meta in our previous game. Last game you voted me because I made you uncomfortable with analyzing your Maxous vote. What makes you uncomfortable in this game?

@FL Your read on Lalendra is meta and she jokingly approves. I don't like that because why should meta be anything more or less than lube to get discussion going? Since you obviously don't want to retort in a verbal way (perhaps subject to change?) how could your meta read on her spark discussion, or help town in any other way totally devoid of the sense I interpret it has?
I already said what makes me uncomfortable. You haven't tunneled anyone yet, you're just lashing out at town as a whole. Also, I didn't use meta before because it was my first game with you, soooo

And FL is not the only person who has called me lynchbait. It's fairly well-known that I get mislynched a looooot.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #34) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:04 pm

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In post 494, Flavor Leaf wrote:Profii/Lalendra, we need to group up and move our votes as one from now on. Town blocking this up.
I'm down with this for now, I have a pretty solid profii townread. You I'm feeling much better about now that you're using full sentences :D
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Post Post #539 (isolation #35) » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:08 pm

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In post 495, profii wrote:Lalendra = Acryon has saucy as scum, you have him as town as well as saucy. Concerns? Any thoughts on Rb and his town read of Dunker? What about Flavors town read of Thor? Saucy also scum reads eth0s but you have him on a town lean.
No concerns about acryon. I'm pretty comfortable with his towniness and not worried that Sauce is also TRing him. I'm not generally a player who freaks out when I'm on the same target as someone I scumread because while I know they could be trying to mislynch, they could also be trying to bus or distance. FL seems p damn sure that rb and/or dunker are scum, and I was already uncomfortable with dunker, so if one of them is scum I think it's him. I agree with FL's town read of Thor too, I never really had him as a scumlean. I simply don't agree with his SR of eth0s, plus since I SR Sauce now, it makes my eth0s TR stronger. This is also D1, pre-flip, but that's where I'm at now.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:07 am

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I am willing to go with the FL lynch. I have a hard time reading him but something about his play does strike me as very off this game, and if nothing else I'd be considering a PL on him because I don't like the waffly claims and seemingly intentional confusion, as rb mentioned.

Intent to Hammer: FL


I'll give it a couple hours but not going to wait forever so if anyone has any reaaaaaally good arguments, now is the time.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:43 am

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Why first? What has he done that is worse than FL/why are you more sure of him being scum than you are of FL?
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Post Post #639 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:57 am

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Ah, my mistake. I don't intend to hammer you. But if he's only at L-2 then

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Post Post #641 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:33 am

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Quickhammer without waiting for a claim is normally something I really dislike, but considering that we're not likely to get any more information out of him than we have already (at least, not usable information), I kind of feel like this is an exception.

Still think you're kinda scummy tho.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #40) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:20 am

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In post 643, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 641, Lalendra wrote:Quickhammer without waiting for a claim is normally something I really dislike, but considering that we're not likely to get any more information out of him than we have already (at least, not usable information), I kind of feel like this is an exception.

Still think you're kinda scummy tho.
ftr basically a scumclaim
Um, how?
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Post Post #648 (isolation #41) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:40 am

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In post 643, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 641, Lalendra wrote:Quickhammer without waiting for a claim is normally something I really dislike, but considering that we're not likely to get any more information out of him than we have already (at least, not usable information), I kind of feel like this is an exception.

Still think you're kinda scummy tho.
ftr basically a scumclaim
Still trying to understand this. How is me saying "what you did was scummy, fortunately in this instance I don't think it hurt us, but I still find YOU to be scummy" a scumclaim on my part? I am feeling worse about your slot every time you post. And I don't necessarily buy the "obviously my hammer was fake" comment when you posted it after profii's corrected vote count.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #42) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 658, Flavor Leaf wrote:For future reference, I AtE MUCH more as town. When I’m scum, I’m generally town read early game.
Honestly that's kind of why I'm scumreading you, because you'd be so far off the rails right now if you were getting D1 mislynched.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #43) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 650, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 648, Lalendra wrote:
In post 643, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 641, Lalendra wrote:Quickhammer without waiting for a claim is normally something I really dislike, but considering that we're not likely to get any more information out of him than we have already (at least, not usable information), I kind of feel like this is an exception.

Still think you're kinda scummy tho.
ftr basically a scumclaim
Still trying to understand this. How is me saying "what you did was scummy, fortunately in this instance I don't think it hurt us, but I still find YOU to be scummy" a scumclaim on my part? I am feeling worse about your slot every time you post. And I don't necessarily buy the "obviously my hammer was fake" comment when you posted it after profii's corrected vote count.
also this is wolfy tone
VOTE: lalandra
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So a mistake is a scumclaim...gotcha.

Also define "wolfy tone"? How was what I said wolfy?
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Post Post #666 (isolation #44) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:23 am

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Not trying to tunnel you, FL, but the fact that you suddenly give up the gambits and silly attitude you were playing with before and start with the frustration and heavy AtE only AFTER it's pointed out that the latter is more your style as town...well, it's not a good look.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:24 pm

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Well so much for the unofficial VC, lol.

That makes twice - I am really starting to think profii is intentionally and subtly manipulating the "unofficial VC's" and hoping no one will catch it.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:33 pm

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Causing late-game confusion when people are trying to do VCA and using inaccurate vote counts and then everyone ends up arguing over who voted who and when instead of trying to find scum.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:41 pm

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Except that most town are too lazy to do that and will just take what you said at face value, like I did the first time.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 pm

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Maybe just my paranoia. I still have a TR on profii but it did stand out to me.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:46 pm

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Also I don't think you can really use the outcome of the gambit to determine whether or not there was, in fact, a gambit. It's entirely possible that the plan is tried and fails; that doesn't make it less of a gambit.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:26 pm

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I've seen stretchier gambits. Hell, look at FL's role flailing.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:12 am

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Sorry Jodaxq, you're replacing into a tough spot.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #52) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:10 am

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In post 710, Thor665 wrote:Sauce was doing it long before he had any reason to feel attacked or put upon though.
It does sound like maybe it's semi-meta if you listen to whoever it was that has played with him before, but judging by some of the very mild effort he has advanced, I'm suspicious this game is far more toxic than his norm, and even if it's not then we have to accept that this is town standard for him, in which case Day 1 is the optimal time for town to sort that because it would be daft to take him to lylo.
Here's the game I was referring to:
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I just went back and looked and it does seem like he is being a bit more aggressive here than he was in that game, but I'll leave it to you to make your own assessment.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #53) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:55 am

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In post 727, Thor665 wrote:In post 726, Lalendra wrote:
In post 710, Thor665 wrote:
Sauce was doing it long before he had any reason to feel attacked or put upon though.
It does sound like maybe it's semi-meta if you listen to whoever it was that has played with him before, but judging by some of the very mild effort he has advanced, I'm suspicious this game is far more toxic than his norm, and even if it's not then we have to accept that this is town standard for him, in which case Day 1 is the optimal time for town to sort that because it would be daft to take him to lylo.

Here's the game I was referring to:
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I just went back and looked and it does seem like he is being a bit more aggressive here than he was in that game, but I'll leave it to you to make your own assessment.

Went over that iso really fast and here are things I noted;

1. Short content minded posts.
2. Only really noted one serious insult fest calling someone a manchild.
3. Did not dwell on calling everyone stupid - in fact a ctrl+F of smart, dumb, stupid, intelligent basically came back with almost nothing.

He was either super relaxed that game and decided to be a trolly jerk in this game, or for some reason somebody massively set him off (I personally feel he attacked me ages before I started poking at him and have the same recall for the acronym interaction - feel free to fact check me)
Or he's scum in this game.

What are your thoughts?
I remembered there being more aggression in that game than there was when I went back and read. It mostly stemmed from his way of dividing people into male/female in his readslist and the way people reacted to it. I thought it was weird and mildly offensive but not necessarily scum-driven, it was other things he said that led me to scumread him, which I apparently was wrong about. His play in this game is MUCH more aggressive, I would have to go back and re-read both games to identify where it started, what the trigger was, and whether there was anything similar in 704.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #54) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:03 am

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In post 734, Dunkerdoodles wrote:rb seems too logical
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...what
In what way is logic a bad thing?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:07 am

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Sauce, I understand that you don't like Thor, but honestly, if you're town you're going about this the wrong way. It's really hard to be on your side when you're being so aggressively douchey. Like really, if you're town re-evaluate, and if you're scum then you should feel guilty about bullying people into believing you, that's not what the game is about.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #56) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:18 am

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No, I want you to play and use logic instead of just bullying people into buying your point of view. Talk to me for a moment and ignore Thor - why should we view you as town? What are your reads at the moment? How do you feel about Jodaxq's replace-in, dunker's "badvotes" and generally detached posting style, eth0s's nipple clamps or whatever they are, and profii in general? I'm especially interested in your thoughts on profii because I'm having trouble sorting that slot.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #57) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:25 am

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In post 760, Sauce wrote:
In post 756, Lalendra wrote:No, I want you to play and use logic instead of just bullying people into buying your point of view. Talk to me for a moment and ignore Thor - why should we view you as town? What are your reads at the moment? How do you feel about Jodaxq's replace-in, dunker's "badvotes" and generally detached posting style, eth0s's nipple clamps or whatever they are, and profii in general? I'm especially interested in your thoughts on profii because I'm having trouble sorting that slot.
I feel sleepy :yawn:
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Post Post #763 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:43 am

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I can't tell if that's scum feeling guilty for being a dick or town that just no longer wants to play.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:34 am

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In post 765, Sauce wrote:No I mean I'm sleepy from all the red markings on my scum locus -approximation sensor data screen. Commodore is down for maintenance but I've drawn a sketch for you
Spoiler: spectrum estimation
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Clearly your post shows signs of withheld awareness, agenda-infused and opportunistic awareness revelation timing and towngame meta discrepancy, and red makes me doze off almost instantly when I'm tipsy. But one thing that doesn't change regardless of my level of inebriation .. you should know about me is, I'd never lynch you, my love <3
Okay I have to know.
1) Withheld awareness - this one speaks for itself, if I was scum I would KNOW who was town so I assume this is what you're referring to.
2) Agenda-infused and opportunistic awareness revelation timing - What? What "awareness revelation" did I give in my post?
3) Towngame meta discrepancy - Do you think my game here is substantially different than my game in 704? If so how? Because I'm not seeing it.
4) <3
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Post Post #783 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:59 pm

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At this point, I am down to lynch Sauce. He is very different here than he was in 704. He won't engage with questioning, and is using AtE/threatening to replace out, which even if he's not scum, still isn't good for town.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #61) » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:44 pm

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If sauce flips scum, his buddies are ethos and dunker. Trying to take attention off of sauce with the weak push on me, then the hammer for towncred.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:05 am

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In post 882, rb wrote:> dunker and lalendra are my top2 scumreads
*doesnt vote either of them*

dkskdkskkakdgjshhahwhdjkfkskzjflekddl
I'm also curious about this. Wouldn't it be better to go after your scumreads instead of someone who is just lurking?

I'm still giving some serious side-eye to dunker. Can't tell if I think his playstyle is scummy or if I just don't like it but something rubs me the wrong way.

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Post Post #888 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:07 am

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In post 883, acryon wrote:
In post 882, rb wrote:> dunker and lalendra are my top2 scumreads
*doesnt vote either of them*

dkskdkskkakdgjshhahwhdjkfkskzjflekddl
Let me phrase it like this. Dunker and Lalendra are my top 2 scumreads. Kop as a priority supersedes that because it's impossible to have a read one way or the other on him right now.
Not sure I agree with this logic, I'd rather death tunnel someone I am sure is scum than pressure a lurker who is null. I doubt that he will respond to it.
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Post Post #933 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:17 am

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In post 897, Kop wrote:Up to now;

Town reading RB, Thor

Slight town read on Acryon, Profii,

Slight scum read on Dunk,

Scum reading Lalendra, Eth0s
This seems very safe and sheepy
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Post Post #976 (isolation #65) » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:56 am

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In post 959, eth0s wrote:thought you would be more likely to TR me based off of low odds of me being scum 2x in a row
I don't like this. Every game is a new set, statistically, so you're not any less likely to roll scum this game just because you rolled scum last game.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:31 am

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Yeah, the more I see from dunker the less I like, and thank you for pointing that out profii because I meant to go back to it and had forgotten.

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Post Post #992 (isolation #67) » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:01 am

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Was I? Oops.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:23 am

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We are so close to being boned. Ugh.

The only player I feel moderately confident is town, at this point, is eth0s. Can you explain your choice of vig kill?
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:05 am

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I don't know why, but at this point, my gut is pointing to profii. It seems that his stances have been very safe, he's been very agreeable (even to the point of creating an avatar just because someone asked). He seems like noob scum who is trying to placate town, not draw too much attention to himself, and earn towncred from appearing to attempt to solve the game while not actually contributing much.

eth0s I'm starting to feel less confident about, particularly since he popped in to request a prod on Kop but has yet to answer the question about his choice of vig kill. Claiming vig would be super convenient if he were actually scum who targeted someone for the NK, and something feels phony about his interactions with profii, particularly today after the flips. So at this point, I'm thinking it's likely profii + eth0s.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #70) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:02 am

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That fact, in and of itself, should make you suspicious of the fact that there are 4 people who seem to agree on lynching me. Two of them are scum and two are misguided town.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:59 am

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In post 1032, profii wrote:so what do you think about eth0s vig claim?

You are essentially saying 2 scum is eth0s + presumably me based on your previous comments, however given the uncontested claim, I think we can give eth0s town status fairly safely
Just because the claim is uncontested doesn't necessarily mean he's town. I also don't like the fact that he has popped in twice since he was asked to explain his choice and hasn't addressed the question.
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 am

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5 players, 2 scum and 3 town; town gets lynched and another gets NK'ed, isn't that end of game, town loses?

Might as well claim since everyone seems to suspect me. I'm VT. That's why earlier I said I am not the worst lynch, but certainly not the best. (i.e. not a PR, but also not scum.)
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:24 am

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In post 1045, acryon wrote:Well actually if you are in fact town, you are the worst lynch. All town lynches at this point are equally bad because we auto-lose.
Right now, yes. That wasn't the case when I initially said it.
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:05 am

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Why are you choosing NOT to explain it? What pro-town reason could you possibly have for not explaining your vig shot on a townie that put us into mylo?
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:34 am

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I'm a flip-floppy player. This game has been no exception. I am pretty much always town and when I am, I am pretty much always scumread. I'm lynchbait. But if you lynch me, we lose. So obviously for me that leaves eth0s, profii, acryon and kop as the possible lynches. If we lynch a townie, we lose. If we no-lynch, we lose. So you better be
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:09 am

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I didn't address your last post at all. Right now my main concern is that people want to lynch me and lose the game.

1) I've said it before, I'll say it again:
eth0s not getting CC'd doesn't mean he's inherently town.
I understand that's the assumption you're making but it's not a guarantee.
2) Acryon has felt town to me all game, the fact that he now agrees with me in not believing eth0s does little to change that.
3) We don't need to "move forward" yet, there is still plenty of time in the day and it's likely Kop will either be replaced or give us some content before deadline. That's not a bridge we need to cross right now.
4) "Last time I was in MyLo I just chucked a vote in and nearly got away with it" - that
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:30 am

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Honestly, I can see the sense in the way he played it now, and I missed the breadcrumb before. What he did makes sense.

I still feel good about Acry, though I am not ruling out the possibility of him being scum who is playing me like a fiddle.

My gut feeling about profii is leaning closer to scum.

I really, really would like to hear from Kop, at this point I feel as though he's almost definitely scum who is trying to coast.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:31 am

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If we vote Kop and he doesn't get hammered right away, we know for a fact that he is scum. It's risky but could work.
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #79) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:35 am

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And yes, I understand that if he's town, that means we lose. But we run that risk with anyone that we lynch at this point. His lack of contribution is really hurting town and the fact that he hasn't either played or replaced out at this point in the game makes me think that he is scum and he is
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #80) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:24 am

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Wait, who said anything about a SK?

And that's my problem with Kop. At this point it feels like he is deliberately not contributing.

If we lynch me, and eth0s shoots Acry (who I believe is town, and at any rate they're def not scumbuddies), then we lose. If we lynch me and eth0s shoots scum, we have a shot.

idk, I know we can't proceed without Kop, but as this point I'm really concerned we will have to, and then what do we do.
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #81) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:32 am

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Way to go, the lurker shows up in the 11th hour to fuck town. Looks like I was right about Kop being scum.
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #82) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:58 am

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As in a read? No. Because he was a lurker. I already claimed and I'm tired of defending myself against scum, this is why I wanted to lynch him yesterday.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:20 am

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I'm not good enough with setup spec to say that there is definitively no way that he could possibly get 2 kills as scum and therefore the second kill has to be town vig.

Honestly, right now, I'm torn. You don't seem like scum because you are engaged right now and trying to gamesolve - but that could be a cover. eth0s seems town because of the vig shot - but that could be a fakeclaim and scum ability I'm not familiar with. Acryon has been giving me townvibes all game - but now I'm paranoid he's just really good scum.

I want to say eth0s because he and kop have the exact same scumteam in mind - me and Acryon. So either they're both misguided town who are misguided in the exact same way, or they're scum pushing an agenda. The latter feels more likely to me.
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:42 am

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In post 1138, eth0s wrote:
In post 1137, Lalendra wrote:I'm not good enough with setup spec to say that there is definitively no way that he could possibly get 2 kills as scum and therefore the second kill has to be town vig.

Honestly, right now, I'm torn. You don't seem like scum because you are engaged right now and trying to gamesolve - but that could be a cover. eth0s seems town because of the vig shot - but that could be a fakeclaim and scum ability I'm not familiar with. Acryon has been giving me townvibes all game - but now I'm paranoid he's just really good scum.

I want to say eth0s because he and kop have the exact same scumteam in mind - me and Acryon. So either they're both misguided town who are misguided in the exact same way, or they're scum pushing an agenda. The latter feels more likely to me.
Why are you omitting the fact that profii had the same scumteam in mind?
Because I missed it?
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #85) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:30 am

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In post 1149, acryon wrote:Still feels like it's probably Lalendra/Kop though.
Then lynch Kop with me first so we actually make it to tomorrow.
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #86) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:37 am

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Then we're going to lose.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #87) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:37 am

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In post 1188, eth0s wrote:Is profii saying that self-voting and saying that lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing ever is a good VT breadcrumb (if such a thing even exists)?

Nah... that's not a VT breadcrumb. That's more scumvidence.

Bigger, more substantial post still on the way. Got to prepare for my class in a few hours. I will hopefully have a big post out here within 12 hours or so.
I disagree because I did the exact same thing.
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #88) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:08 am

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In post 1191, eth0s wrote:
In post 1189, Lalendra wrote:
In post 1188, eth0s wrote:Is profii saying that self-voting and saying that lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing ever is a good VT breadcrumb (if such a thing even exists)?

Nah... that's not a VT breadcrumb. That's more scumvidence.

Bigger, more substantial post still on the way. Got to prepare for my class in a few hours. I will hopefully have a big post out here within 12 hours or so.
I disagree because I did the exact same thing.
You self voted?
VT breadcrumb.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #89) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:14 am

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Profii you're 100% right, I got my games mixed up. I didn't say that here. Sorry.
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #90) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:27 am

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Can you explain more about why you think there's an SK? I'm not seeing it but I'm not as well-versed in setup spec as some players on this site.
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #91) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:05 am

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gg scum
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #92) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:07 am

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If I'm not hammered within the next few hours, we'll know eth0s is scum, because if he was town, the two scum would jump on my wagon and lynch me because it would be game over. Even if he's SK, the two scum would still do the same. Either way, unless I'm dead in a few hours, he's not town.
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:55 am

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Well that was annoying. GG acryon, I had you pretty well townread throughout the game and that was a tough win to pull off with your only partner being a slot of sequential lurkers.
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Post Post #1269 (isolation #94) » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:12 pm

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@mod - I'm not lynchbaity on purpose, it just never fails.
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