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VOTE: profii

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well everyone bar Acryon has posted, I was hoping to wait for everyone, but I'm too impatient to wait for the prod reaction etc.

Anyway, firstly

UNVOTE: Profii

It obviously wasn't a serious vote - however, if you lot decide it was super scummy and move to lynch me - that's ok but before the hammer, I can tell you it's an ok play for town but definitely not the best... consider that a breadcrumb for later.

Anyway, I don't like RVS, so seeing as I had the chance at first post, I thought I'd do something to generate reactions and to me it looks like we are starting to move away from RVS on page 1 so I think we are doing ok.

All I have really achieved is a couple of reactions:

Firstly, rb's was quite a big one. I really don't like that fake 'first' post either.
Thor didn't RVS - by technically, sheeping isn't random
Flavour Leaf is an alt for Boon who I believe self votes often, he avoided me.


I think we just save these reactions for later, perhaps these people will incriminate themselves later.
however, I like the follow up post by Thor here.


I don't like
Sauce trying to role speculate.
eth0s posting about the rules way after his original post - a bit of a forced town slip, as obviously, mafia don't need to read the rules to know there is day talk.

I can't make my mind up over rb's reaction without WIFOM'ing over it - he could be scum hunting and call my play a double bluff, i.e. "profii self votes, profii says first voter is scum starting a wagon - therefore, the bluff is scum!profii uses the play to cast shade on whoever gets on the wagon and lead the town that way"

If RB hadn't made that weird 'first' fake post then I would have said he was town trying to scum hunt me but was just wrong. But because of that weird post I am now thinking he could just as easily be scum double bluffing my play to cast shade on me. Time will tell, FoS for now.

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he's done it elsewhere I definitely don't want to talk about that game!

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@Thor maybe

Also, if your entire self vote was a gambit for reads (barf) and you got reactions that made you question rb and other posts to question eth0s and Sauce.

Put your selves in my shoes. You self voted and got the reactions. Who do you vote for?

If you can draw a firm read out of that, then you are a better player than me.


If you are saying I should commit to someone, it would probably be you. Quietly sneaking on the self lynch is an easy way to form a wagon, which is something scum will want.
Asking Flavour Leaf to sheep you, further backs this up

VOTE: Thor655


I still don't like Sauce's posts, so could place a lynch there quite easily too

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quiet - relative to rb.

as I said, flipping me is fine but if I get to intent I'll explain why.

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Thor also scum
Why did you make a wall post page 1

And we have our first scum

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

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quiet - relative to rb.

as I said, flipping me is fine but if I get to intent I'll explain why.

If I am only quiet in comparison to rb - how does that make my quiet scum intentioned?

I'm not aware of any plans pertaining to any supposed issues or indecision with regard to whether the expressed FOS ought to induce the emotional stimuli you inquired about.

I did make a presumption that any expressed FOS is worth exploring - is it your intention to *not* follow up on your thoughts?
Why even enter into that discussion? It would be an admittance of low quality play - so, therefore there is presumably a reason you're doing nothing.
What is it?

But that's not even where you draw the line, at least I seem to pick up an additional insinuation pertaining to a potential unwillingness to investigate this fictional unresolved issue, and frankly I'd just welcome you dropping this thing as opposed to asking you to elaborate on whether or not that is the case and what it entails.

It is assuredly the case.

How do you translate what I said to get that conclusion?

No translation was necessary. I simply expressed what was implied, reversed 'you are' and attached a question mark to it, to point out that you didn't include yourself into the list of players who are supposedly trying to solve the game and generate actual value.

You mean you'd like me to offer updates on how I think I'm town?
I could do it - seems stupid.
So your question was just sturm and drang then?
Refer to above first posited question to you in this post then.

Needless to say I don't find speculating about the amount of mafia players in this game to be a non-point.

Why is that?
I see no particular gain in it today - what gain do you see?
(I will clarify that I'm not daft enough to call it scummy - but it is apparently wasted air)

Thor also scum
Why did you make a wall post page 1

I did it because the game state needed a kick in the pants to prevent my personal boredom.
Why is making a wall on Page 1 scummy?

doesnt matter you are town. You are the main person pushing me because it’s the normal reaction to a self vote (as per your wiki lol)

First person to push back on you is going to push you as scum tomorrow for lynching me (as they know we are both town so they can call you instrumental in the mislynch)

And that was dunker- I had to call you until someone pushed you as scum

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I'm not holding my breath on the accuracy of that - but it's not like Dunker is radiating town to me either, so rock on.
It's either a gambit I dislike or you hard aborting from a push you realize isn't working for you.

You are right that my experiment didn’t really yield anything definitive so I figure if you are scum and you are just pushing me as a mislynch today, you probably wouldn’t go so hard knowing I’ll flip town tonight, I’m not sure what the cunning plan would be to talk your way out of everyone getting on your case as the instigator of that, so you can only confidently push on me if you don’t truly know my role (ie are town)

Therefore anyone who is discrediting you now, in theory could be setting up you for the lynch tomorrow. We will see where that goes...

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Sauce you are a weird dude

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flavour is dancing a canny dance

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If you look at Flavor's ISO he literally hasn't posted a word other than votes and those boxes with reads in.

I know some fairly basic roles but a lot I have to wiki as I go - is it possible that he has a role that means he can only do what he has been doing, or is he just being elusive for fun

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If you look at Flavor's ISO he literally hasn't posted a word other than votes and those boxes with reads in.

I know some fairly basic roles but a lot I have to wiki as I go - is it possible that he has a role that means he can only do what he has been doing, or is he just being elusive for fun

This isn't a theme game so I'm guessing no.

Flavor = no content
Sauce = over the top content

sure?

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ebwop, content is probably the wrong word, but sauce is very flowery, need to read his other games to see if this is just his thing to be fair

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ebwop, content is probably the wrong word, but sauce is very flowery, need to read his other games to see if this is just his thing to be fair

I haven't had a scumgame on this site yet so I advise you to metadive anyone but me if you wish to gain ai insight.

No I was more wondering if spending 4 paragraphs when you could have put “we don’t need to discuss your fos aimed at me” is something you do routinely

It comes over as a wall post that you would hope most people will gloss past when they realise it’s directed at the FOS’er but it was a total shutdown for said FOS’er - that doesn’t matter though, they suspected you anyway.

But given the post you quoted from other game apparently that’s your style. The style wasn’t particularly AI but the shutdown aimed at Thor was scummy imo

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IRL days not game day/night phases

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Acryon is right and you are ill


Apparently

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Are you saying you’d like me to self vote again?

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Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?

No, I'm not, nor did I in any way say that.

Is this a joke? You literally have the quote of you saying "willing to policy lynch Leaf" in this same post you replied to...

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VOTE: Sauce

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if you were going to do it, you’d have done it.


You probably wouldn’t of called me a dumbass either but that’s irrelevant to the game


The point is you are so smart that only you can see the benefit of discussing game setup or directing the conversation towards who has what PR - everyone else is so stupid we live in fear of slipping the town PRs to the scum so maybe you need to give us a lesson on what you want to hear from us

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I think we need to hear more from Dunker and Hyung

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UK so GMT

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nope, I seem to get a flurry of activity in the evening then a load of posts usually appear over night. I suppose I should be working so it's not the worst

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I think we need to hear more from Dunker and Hyung

why

you have barely posted a full sentence.

The full summary of your notable contributions is as follows (this wont take long...)

a 'serious vote' on page 1. There is no credible reason to serious vote at this point. Vote credibility = 0. Please provide further reasoning if you are truly "serious"
Then another vote, again with no rationale and some aversion to wall posts.

I told you it wont take long.

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I can't place rb.

I self vote, he pushes
people start to notice flavors posting style = he pushes
saucy starts being saucy with the dictionary whilst posting = he pushes

all of the above are potential wagons but could also argue scum-style to pressure with a vote etc... It just sends me down a WIFOM hole that I can't decide on.

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yeah I think I was in that game. His style was pretty chilled but I'm not sure he wagon hopped so much, I'd have to check


In other news, looking at Saucys (that's going to stick btw) ISO he obviously has posted the most words however, the only read he seems to provide in the entire thing is that he would prefer to leave his vote on Thor (which was RVS) than move it to me. Other than that. Nil content.

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Flavour Leaf is an interesting one.

I look at his reads and given their timing I look at whose moved or appeared in his lists and find myself thinking 'yes I see why player x is in category y' etc.

The risk is that because he provides no reasoning that I am looking at posts and filling in the reasoning myself. Would I have considered those posts scummy if someone hadn't pointed out there was something scummy there to pick out? I will never know now.

Does that mean I am being lead? It's a risky one, despite me largely looking at the reads and thinking they are ok.

interesting...

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Lalendra is playing defense. I'd like to see her offense.

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Oh the obvious scum is still alive what a shame

Call out wagoning, better mention the first one

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VOTE: sauce

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Can you and profii not be scum together?
Or I could be wrong on you or profii

Lalendra is playing defense. I'd like to see her offense.

I don't have strong enough reads at the moment to be offensive (heh). But when I get there, you'll know.

Given the variety of opinions so far someone is wrong already so no harm in taking a stab at it

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Ebwop @ that Dunker quote, so we are either scum or we are not... insightful!

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UNVOTE: saucy

Despite being wrong, I thought trying to link me and Thor seems logical and pro town.

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UNVOTE: sauce

For the pendants, I’m sure there will be at least 1

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I’ve read them all. The one near the end about me and Thor is the only one that spoke to me. It said, pro-town

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question 1 - @rb - was there anything in particular that made you come round to town reading FL?

question 2 - @thor - other than me, who are you top 2 scum reads?

question 3 - @hyung - will you provide us with some juicy content please?

question 4 - @eth0s - please provide your top 2 town reads?


that'll do for now.

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Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?

Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?

I don't think so. See 100 from him.

Acryon - given I mentioned this and you gave the same answer. (Approx post 90ish) It stands to reason that Lalendra isn’t reading the thread in any great detail (confirmed by a distinct lack of offense)

Do you think this lack of attention could be down to being scum and knowing who the scum are?

Because I do!

VOTE: Lalendra

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Weirdly I feel Saucy has contributed almost equally little content. There are practically no indications of his thoughts on most players alignments

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Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?

Is there any flavor-related reason why FL might be posting the way he is?

I don't think so. See 100 from him.

Acryon - given I mentioned this and you gave the same answer. (Approx post 90ish) It stands to reason that Lalendra isn’t reading the thread in any great detail (confirmed by a distinct lack of offense)

Do you think this lack of attention could be down to being scum and knowing who the scum are?

Because I do!

VOTE: Lalendra

That would be a fairly obvious scumtell, one that scum would be silly to make. Also I don't generally go back and read completed games, particularly if they are linked by the person in question; someone who is aware of their meta can easily manipulate it so it doesn't give me any information. That's why I asked about setup-related reasons and wanted to hear from someone other than FL himself.

I’m not asking you to read other games but I was pointing out you had missed this here 90

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Also - are you referring to the saucy v Thor and saying it’s generated a lot of content?

I’ve just mentioned Saucy but I don’t see a great deal from Thor apart from his scum read on me

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That's what I was referring to, yes. 28, 46, 65, 68, 113, 120, 128, 130, 151, 172, 178, 181 and 206 were all about Sauce, either completely or almost. That's more than half of his ISO.

p-edit: Thanks for the clarification Arch!

I just see that as them bickering at each other - neither of them have offered much in the way of reads outside of each other. I struggle to call it content

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Ugh another person not reading

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Almost every post is doing the opposite of what you want haha

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Also to get 6 votes out of 10 without almost any activity from Hyung is a big ask.

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Agree with that list bar Eth0s for now but he does need to give us more

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Well that choice of language was... saucy

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Pick your most 2 towny players even if they are marginal

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Obviously
Didn’t anyone teach you not to answer a question with a question

Now chop chop 2 town reads please

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I agree it is a concern that you struggled to identify 2 players you think are town

But I think rb going as far to say he is an influence on the wagons when one was me following a self lynch and the other was saucy regurgitating the thesaurus is questionable

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It doesn't seem like you care much about reads at all actually.

You FoS Thor, but no follow-up. Profii is one of your best townreads, who is townreading me (apparently your biggest scumread) but you seem not to be concerned about this.

You initially make a vote on me as OMGUS, but now apparently it's that I'm scummy - so which part is scummy? You're neither providing reads or any kind of useful analysis.

In contrast to me, who is making clear reads and pushing in the direction of those reads, you are making barely any reads, except when asked three times by someone you townread.

If you townread them, why so reluctant to cooperate?

Am I?

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Eth0s what are your thoughts on Dunkers and Lalendra

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You’re become a policy lynch on the basis of no use to town


Ughhhhhhhh

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When I ask a question and you just say “no” you’re useless.

However, let’s give you one last chance. Look at Dunkers ISO carefully, he has actually provided a variety of indications on how he reads people despite barely reaching a ratio of 1 sentence per post in this game

Also look at Lalendras ISO - although she hasn’t given much away in terms of reads, the main point to focus on is her exception to FL reads - do you think Lalendra is right to take such an exception?


Thoughts please... do consider carefully, your worth to town depends on it

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I’m not particular concerned because you haven’t done anything yet. I might be concerned if you were tunnelling me for some absurd reason but for now I am trying to elicit some decisiveness out of you which will help all the players decide who to lynch

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I’m not particular concerned because you haven’t done anything yet. I might be concerned if you were tunnelling me for some absurd reason but for now I am trying to elicit some decisiveness out of you which will help all the players decide who to lynch

You're the one tunneling me. And I'm done answering your questions until you start asking other people things, too. If you ever flip scum I already know our interactions thus far are going to be called "s/s".

Seriously, hop off me.

I’m pushing you to give us reads and you are over focusing on meta btw

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it becomes chicken and egg though, the players doing nothing can sit and say I cant read the game nothing is happening.
the other half complain nothing is happening because youre not posting.

repeat ad infinitum whilst deadlines pass and no scum die

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it becomes chicken and egg though, the players doing nothing can sit and say I cant read the game nothing is happening.
the other half complain nothing is happening because youre not posting.

repeat ad infinitum whilst deadlines pass and no scum die

Except I'm not saying anything quite like that.
What I'm saying is claiming someone having a derth of town reads in a game where, objectively, half the game is playing in a way to avoid givingopinions and thus making themselves near unreadable and anti-town is not a really compelling case.

@Sauce - you're still saying nothing and using a lot of words to do it and insulting people and then being shocked you get "trashtalked".

Moar Sauce votes please and thank you.

Well that’s ok we just have 2 possible reasons for this weird lack of content game

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Feeling a lot better about both eth0s and dunker in light of recent posts.

Which posts by them have made you feel better?

Nothing specific, mainly the fact that they are now posting game-related content and I can follow and understand the thought progression behind their posts.

Hey lala could you give us a top 2/3 scumreads with a little reasoning to go with it? My apologies if you already have recently. Im on my phone and hate navigating the site on mobile.

Flattery will get you no where

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I think at the moment, I'm leaning towards dunkerdoodles, hyung and either Thor or Sauce. Dunkerdoodles because I haven't seen much meaningful content from them, and they are getting townread by people for what seems like very little to no reason. Hyung because they haven't posted enough for me to really get a read on them and partly PoE. Thor/Sauce because I don't believe this is scum theater or TvT, it feels like it's genuine, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is town and which one is scum who is spitballing.

I agree i don’t think it’s SvS but the possibility of TvT is still there for me - given Saucys irritating play and Thor being fairly offensive it’s reasonable these 2 styles would just clash tunnel on each other

I am eargerly awaiting Hyungs readlist this weekend

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I’m inclined to say we should lynch saucy waucy but I am reluctant to make a decision when we only have 2 posts from 1 player... I’ll feel better after hearing from everyone

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Lalendra. I know he makes bad wall posts and it is still Day 1 but anything in particular driving your vote?

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I kind of agree and your last sentence sums things up succinctly - my concern is that because Saucy isn’t doing anything particular to scum hunt, there is fairly high possibility this is all TvT and Saucy Waucy is just a conflict magnet - so as much as his iso is torturous and unhelpful and I really wish it would stop, I feel like I’d be lynching for anti-town reasons more than pro-scum reasons if that makes sense

However I guess as we need 6/10 I wouldn’t complain if he went. But as I said, I’ll hear Hyung out first

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One thing I've observed about Dunker and eth0s, the two posts which I've immortalized in my sig came at a rapid succession.
If I were to look for scum somewhere outside the group of people whose wincondition apparently consists of tying to trigger me and partially succeeding due their synergy, I'd say those two, that would be kind of cool.
While town is busy being asshats all it takes to escalate it further is a two-sentence diss, and total irreproachability due to it being kind of funny. If so, the only mistake they commited was to post the second one unreasonably fast after the first one.

Why do you think most people are trolling you?

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Odds of a saucy jester?

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Is it not allowed in normal

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Is it not allowed in normal

Ta la

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I’m down for dunking dunkers

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

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Woah we’re half way here, woooahhh, we should probably check the vote count

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I’ll vote park FL the second there are 2 kills at night

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And I will fucking MAKE YOU LYNCH ME because I've had it with this game and I have a team mafia championship to tend to.

This is my only ongoing game..

Do I go through the ISO and find all the statements that are at odds with one another?

I want to lynch him but I am concerned there is a twist waiting to happen if we do it. I’d like the scum to kill him tonight please

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ok some questions at specific people, I've been over everyones ISOs backwards, to find your latest reads, some are firm, some are less firm, some are older & I did it quickly, so some of the answers might simply be, I'm less sure about that read than I was, but let's highlight some inconsistency and see what comes of it:


rb = dunker has indicated a town read on Saucy, but you scum read Saucy and town read Dunker. Any concerns with this?

acryon = any thought on Dunker / Flavour / Lalendra town reading Saucy, who you appear to scum read?

eth0s = surely you have some thoughts on Saucy? what about Thor who scum leant at me early in the game?
Do you have any concerns with rb scum reading Lalendra, whom you town read? rb also town leads on dunkers who you scum read. Interesting!

thor = eth0s town reads me, i dont think you do, issues? Any thoughts on Lalendras town read of saucy?

dunkers = any thoughts on Thor or Acryons scum read on Saucy?

Saucy = any thoughts on RB town reading dunkers? what about Flavor town reading Thor? Lalendra town leaning on Eth0s & acryon ?

Lalendra = Acryon has saucy as scum, you have him as town as well as saucy. Concerns? Any thoughts on Rb and his town read of Dunker? What about Flavors town read of Thor? Saucy also scum reads eth0s but you have him on a town lean.



As I mentioned, a quick search through everyones ISOs - I may have some of those reads not quite right but this game is desperado for content, so I thought I'd prod everyone.

Basically, I've picked out any scum/town leans where they seem inconsistent, basically where you guys seem to be town reading each other and mutually scum reading someone else thats fine - but if there is any discrepancy - that's where all the above came from....



let's hear your thoughts.


and ffs hyung

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VOTE: profii
this game is fine on activity, why did you send out a "mass prod"

worried?

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saucy if i could i'd buy you a beer when we win this game you know

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VOTE: profii
this game is fine on activity, why did you send out a "mass prod"

worried?

about...

lets put it this way, im pretty confident on town flavor and his reaction was to just fact check for me which helps me.

you basically said in as many words, woah there slow down... as if something might come out that you dont want. surely just look at the questions and clarify your reads helps everyone.

needless to say, i scum read you

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im not saying slow down, i'm saying we have lots of activity so idk why you used the words "i'll prod everyone"

are you saying more activity would be bad? why are you trying to slow the rate of activity down?

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VOTE: profii
this game is fine on activity, why did you send out a "mass prod"

With RB parked, Saucy in low activity mode and whatever term FL used. Illl just say “told you so”

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Ebwop he didn’t use a term, just came off that wagon on you which I took as a blow to something useful happening

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I think there is probably one thing we are all agreed on for now

VOTE: hyung

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profii

Based on his activity this game vs what I perceive to be his standard play. I actually feel pretty strongly about this read, if anyone cares.

Just looked at his post history, what are you referring to?

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yep

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I had a quick look over Flavour Leaf's ISO, as he seems to be polarising the group. It looks like we are heading for stale mate so I wanted to be sure on my read before everyone locks horns.

The easiest way to talk through it is to say there are a few phases to FL's ISO -

1. Horoscope Mafia.

This is what I'm calling the early bit. Obviously we will all be aware of the reads and very little reasoning. The reason I've called that horoscope mafia, is it's just enough content to get each player excited that they agree with someone or annoyed that they dont, but without any reasoning, each player is left thinking 'why has he scum read player x? - well I did because player X did Y, he must have spotted that too'

Not sure if that was intentional on FL's part but by the time he stops, he has a few people town reading him and he may well have known the above had happened.

2. Initial Content Phase.

Primarily starting at 410 FL puts some more into his reads. Over the next few posts he goes pretty hard at Dunker and also town reads RB and Thor who are his biggest opponents. Although as I'm reading in ISO, I am not sure if RB/Thor have gone for him yet, but still happy to mention this as I know FL will be anticipating who is going to be pushing who.

3. Implosion Phase

This is where FL starts self voting, role claiming, toxic posting etc. I assume this scaring us away from voting for him, it's mostly rubbish but there are a couple of notable posts in this phase though:
-497 the random Thor reference in 476 - how did he tell you to do something not in the thread?
-497 This was the first question I asked RB about in my mass prod because I definitely got a bad feeling about how dunkers reads panned out and it is worth noting Dunker did not like the post.
Then just at the end obviously FL moves away from Dunkers after Dunkers votes FL.



It's tricky. I can see where Dunker is coming from that you could call FL's play manipulative. However, I can also see an argument that because we

have

to form a majority to lynch, FL knows he needs to drum up some support to push his thoughts through. Especially when Hyung doesnt post and 3 players are involved in their own dramasphere (Acryon/Thor/Saucy)

Given the maths involved in that, it's already highly difficult to get 6 players on Dunkers. So then obviously FL is looking at primarily RB with a side of Thor. I wonder if this could potentially be FL looking for a target that unites the rest of the group, given their abrasive play styles, perhaps FL wanted Saucy utilise the headstart on thor with Saucys vote.


Overall, on reflection I am leaning towards FL manipulating rather than trying to earn followers to vote a scum case - the move from Dunkers to RB seems like a big stretch, if it was Dunkers to Acryon based on his logic I would have looked at Acryons ISO to see what I thought, but it would justify FLs work as pro-town.

I will also say I'm very confident Dunkers vs FL is TvS so if we get green on 1 today, I may very well vote park tomorrow.

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

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I will also say I'm very confident Dunkers vs FL is TvS so if we get green on 1 today, I may very well vote park tomorrow.

under normal circumstances i'd lynch this with extreme prejudice

It looks like FL is scum for reasons above but I’m also really wary about the point FL made about the manufactured reads - I got that too when I looked through

Planning to lynch park is obviously a bit keen not knowing who will die but I am sure we are going to find a scum between the 2 here

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Interesting reaction

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There was absolutely no reason as scum for me to be polarizing the group. That’s bad on y’all except the scum, and will continue to shout that in the dead thread after.

Ok so 2 points here:

1- polarising the group as scum = difficult to form majority for lynch = town can’t kill scum - this is a scum slip imo

2- I can see that my post was awful however given you are focused on yourself in the course of the last half dozen or so posts means you are desperate to stay alive

Now, way back at the start of the game I said it wasn’t bad if I died after my self vote - that only really works for today so I might as well make the claim now too - my theory was I knew self voting would cause upset and risked me being lynched but the positive is as day 1 lynches are often misguided given the lack of anything I will treat myself as the metaphorical pawn in chess and happily sacrifice myself to avoid losing a PR day 1 in a 10 player game (so VT claim)

As I mentioned you are desperate to stay alive, it’s not a win con for town but it makes your scum mates live(s) harder so I think I’ve got you.

I’d say at this point it’s going to be me or FL that goes today, but if it’s me I’ll flip town and the town will need to re-evaluate why FL wanted to townblock me/him/Lalendra but now I’ve outed his manipulation game needs to remove me asap.

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If FL and I are the scum team would I intentionally make an awful post to draw heat on myself. It was probably just a bad way of saying i think 1 of FL and Dunkers are scum

Anyway, this is me 25

It obviously wasn't a serious vote - however, if you lot decide it was super scummy and move to lynch me - that's ok but before the hammer, I can tell you it's an ok play for town but definitely not the best... consider that a breadcrumb for later.

The breadcrumb is as per my last post - I’m just a VT so me dying isn’t the end of the world on day 1 given people on this site have an awful habit of outing PRs on day 1.


However looking at my own ISO I had forgotten

- Dunkers was first person to push Thor after Thor pushed me, as I explained a long time ago, the natural scum reaction to a self vote is to wagon it, Thor did this and RB did this. Dunker sets up tomorrow’s lynch by being in a position to say Profii flipped town, someone on the wagon is bad



Just to go back to my FL lynch vote - I really didn’t like that he came off Dunkers wagon, as this struck me as FL just tying to lead a majority to a lynch, the bit in 527 where FL said it doesn’t benefit town!FL to be on Dunks made me re-evaluate my entire postion.

When I looked back at his ISO he uses a lot of AtE to try and get people following him which made me poke holes in why.


Another random point whilst looking in my ISO - Eth0s - I’ve noticed he thinks I’m town if everyone else thinks I’m town because this happened in our newbie game. I made that awful post and he jumped on me. I noticed I’d made a note in my ISO that Eth0s made a forced town slip by referencing scum day chat. Consider his card marked for now - he hasn’t really done a great deal beyond jump on wagons.

[profii]

@FL - you said yourself you are Vt and a liability in LyLo. Why do you care so much that I die first? You’re just a Vt

[profii]

I would prefer to lynch him before you by a significant margin

[profii]

@FL - you said yourself you are Vt and a liability in LyLo. Why do you care so much that I die first? You’re just a Vt

Because I can find scum. And Rb, Thor, and I on the same page will likely bring town to a strong win.

You can’t ever trust my town claims. I change my claims all the time. WIFOM scum. Makes it so later in game, mislynchig me is super risky for scum depending on my potential results being confirmed.

I think my attack on you is probably more down to my reluctance to use meta and my lack of experience in how you use AtE in these scenarios.

Saying that because it forms part of the basis why you are either pocketing or manipulating me- in my lynch post on you, I called your initial play horoscope mafia - by posting reads, the reader draws a conclusion as to why you made that read. Specifically for me, I was mainly agreeing so up until you moved off Dunker, who I really want to lynch today, I was happy to locktown you. I still think we can get to this position so I’ll share my current reads as I don’t think I’ve done this yet.


Dunker - I’ve been over. My read analysis highlighted the manufactured reads and also, first to push Thor following my self vote.
Eth0s - FoS - early forced town slip, lack of analysis, keen to jump on any feasible bandwagon.
Rb - town - pushing logical bandwagons for the right reasons
Saucy - despite wall posting constantly- probably not helping scum but probably doesn’t have any idea who is scum
Thor - acting in a pro town way throughout despite getting a bit involved with Saucy
Acryon - I’ll revisit soon, as I was pretty locked on Dunkers I’ve left him alone - possibly falling into the trap that I massively mis read him last game and he is behaviour is similar (ie fairly calm and logical, without looking in too much detail)
Lalendra - not done a great deal for me.
Hyung - null, Eth0s reaction made me wonder...


So yeah. I am mainly up for a Dunker lynch by some margin today.

If it turns out you’ve pocketed me then fine, gg wp scum but ill extend the olive bran

VOTE: DunkerDoodles

[profii]

What about my meta concerns you?

[profii]

You are damned if you do, you are damned if you don’t

If I said you were scum instead of voting, would we have thrashed it out in such a significant way? Doubt it. I think putting the vote down forces people to focus.

I think where I am at is Dunkers is my main scum target, if he flips town, Ill Reconsider my thought that you are pocketing me(perhaps unintentionally) but at that point it will be with the knowledge of whatever happens overnight

I don’t see a scenario where you and Dunkers are scum. It was your move away from Dunkers that made me think you are leading town to _any_ majority because one of the reasons you moved off was because it “doesn’t benefit you” which seemed like BS to me

[profii]

Plus I though you might come back to Dunkers if I went to you

[profii]

Haha.

I’ve given my reasons and you’ve ignored them In your post at least but tried to concern me by suggesting me and Dunkers are the scum team

If you are as good as you think you are, you already know I’m town but you’re applying the pressure because you don’t want me on Dunkers... it doesn’t benefit you, remember?

If you think we are a scum team, come join me on the dunkervote

[profii]

Knew I was right you crafty sod

[profii]

Haha I hadn’t even thought about that.


Something to point out to town - the wagon on me was started by me saying I will vote park tomorrow. This means it’s super easy for scum to jump on.

If i do get lynched apologies to town for causing a mislynch


Confession time. I think FL is scum. He has clearly demonstrated he is trying to manipulate the town into following him (see : moving off Dunkers because it doesn’t benefit him &
Obviously my point about horoscope mafia where FL posts reads and sees who follows further strengthens the case he is just trying to direct a majority anywhere)

And just now he has all but admitted he is trying to manipulate me into moving off Dunkers

He is now trying to manipulate town in my direction by pointing out the distancing thing by appealing to emotion that we’d lynch him tomorrow- he is scum so he knows when I flip town he becomes safe tomorrow


VOTE: Flavor Lynch

[profii]

@mod - vote count?
I think one of us are going today and let’s look to conclude the day and move on

[profii]

There we go, the inevitable PR claim on day 1

I’m assuming FL is not at L-1 so he must be feeling the pressure to come out and claim, which means I’m pushing the right buttons

I’m a VT so if we get to L-1 on me, I won’t be changing my claim - all I’ll do it refer back to my last post and say you need to look back at the clear manipulation I highlighted in my last post 603

[profii]

well I'm @ L-2, thor, eth0s, FL, hyung.

VOTE: profii

As I said in my 2nd post, it's not the worst thing if a VT dies & you can have a think about whoever throws down the hammer.
I strongly recommend you consider how manipulative FL has been today and weather you really believe his PR claim before hammering.

GL town!

[profii]

^^ all of which is just tactics to try get people to not vote him.

This is the point. He has been using massive AtE to push the town where he wants them to go.
As I said, even by just quoting and read-listing it's really easy for him to see who is following him and who is contesting him, then whatever direction that happens to be = aim the majority at that lynch.


out of interest, are you still flipping FL tomorrow when I flip VT today?

[profii]

Yeah I know, I've made my point and I'm running out of arguments because it ultimately doesn't overly matter if I die so there isn't much to say as a VT other than I am sure FL is playing a big manipulation game.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Mod - Votecount pretty please

Just to note though, I caused the wagon on myself with a bad post, it's highly likely scum are involved in the wagon (oh look, FL, eth0s) because anyone can just jump on and say you did it to yourself. you even said you'd lynch without predjudice normally (rb)
So the point of a self vote is with me being on the wagon, to find that scummer, you are looking at 5 out of 6 potential scummers because you get my town flip to help out.

PRs have a bit of WIFOM but if I had any kind of role, I'd anticipate the scum killing someone not on the lynch to make the PoE tomorrow harder, so protectors stay off it, cop types look at the lynch mob.
Obviously stating that causes a double bluff scenario but I'm off my own lynch so I'm just highlighting that self vote has a purpose in this scenario

[profii]

I’m pretty sure that’s L-1 any reason you didn’t take a chance to hammer

[profii]

Lalendra - I dont think FL is L-1 (I meant me)

I've just counted and I've got the vote count as:

Sauce: acryon, Lalendra
Flavor Leaf(L-2): rb, dunkers, profii, dunkers
profii(L-1): Thor665, eth0s, flavour leaf, hyung, sauce

[profii]

i made a mistake, this is why i dont like trying to count the votes I double counted dunker. So FL is still L-2

Sauce: acryon
Flavor Leaf(L-2): rb, dunkers, profii, lalendra
profii(L-1): Thor665, eth0s, flavour leaf, hyung, sauce

that makes more sense because it actually adds up to 10 players.

we can either sit and wait for acryon or someone can make the call on me. If anyone wants to intent on me I'm happy to re-go over where i think he is manipulating us to a lynch he wants to point us at but i guess town need to discuss the merits of me or FL now.

[profii]

Quickhammer without waiting for a claim is normally something I really dislike, but considering that we're not likely to get any more information out of him than we have already (at least, not usable information), I kind of feel like this is an exception.

Still think you're kinda scummy tho.

ftr basically a scumclaim

given FL has made 4 or 5 claims already, i'm not sure if town is going to actually discuss who to lynch or if someone is just going to make the call and end the day.

i think the biggest risk of mislynch is that i created my own wagon which is obviously against my win con. That's a clue. The manipulation argument on FL is up to everyone else to consider - balance that against losing me is just losing a VT which isn't the end of the world day 1

[profii]

I actually don’t see the benefit in doing that as scum, so that’s really shallow level thinking. I do that as scum sometimes BECAUSE I do it as town. This is Rb reaching.

What benefit does scum have to fake claim back and forth? I do it as town, so that scum have the same WIFOM that town get. The “ugh, he might actually have a role.”

I’m not a day 1 lynch, regardless of alignment. My alignment becomes obvious as the game goes on. I’m either obviously town, or i’m not, which means I’m scum.

then you'd never win a scum game, which is not something that is true. So that post is just BS, something you claimed to have a degree in, in a scum PT

[profii]

Oh, I’m dead.

Yeah, I’m town.

reaction test, yawn

[profii]

another reaction test AtE bs.

[profii]

last time i saw someone replace out after they had clearly been called out as scum, they flipped... scum.

i dont even know why FL is losing his shi... I'm the one on L-1 and Dunkers just got off his wagon.

[profii]

holy fuck boon if you're not trolling then you need to get your emotions in check before you hit the submit button... What is the point of playing like a manchild? Does it make you feel superior?

i referred to the last person who flipped scum after trying to replace out... click on my wiki, then the link to the game you weren't in with me and then find mulchs ISO... it is almost identical to what is happening here... I'm sure comparing mulch and boon will open another can of worms but I've stuck to the posts where i see FL's manipulation and all i get back is AtE bs... I'm amazed the vote count is so close I feel like I'm miles ahead in terms of presenting valid evidence but hey ho

[profii]

unofficially

Sauce: acryon
Lalendra: Dunkers
Flavor Leaf(L-3): rb, profii, lalendra
profii(L-2): Thor665, flavour leaf, hyung, sauce

n/v - eth0s

[profii]

yep, missed the bold tag,

unofficially take 4

Sauce: acryon, thor665
Lalendra: Dunkers
Flavor Leaf(L-3): rb, profii, lalendra
profii(L-3): flavour leaf, hyung, sauce

n/v - eth0s

[profii]

lack of mod vc's (sorry mod! )

where i used to play,i would get get all the flips and colour in the votes with town/scum/pr - it then became my meta and people would vote me if i didnt do it, but i always got it wrong so even though i find it beneficial, i hate doing it because i end up incriminating myself just like this

[profii]

It’s either correcting within 1 post or going via saucys plan and you can DIY it

[profii]

just out of interest does my vote on the FL spot stand and does the hyung vote on me stand in this scenario

[profii]

I can't imagine scum playing this recklessly so I'm not going to endorse any vote there.

Reckless how?

Putting a giant target on his head by not posting a single original comment. Best-case scenario he looks like unhelpful town which often end up being lynch-worthy.

Not seeing a stark contrast between Leaf's iso and that of the likes of rb and Dunker. Are you sure it's not just the extravagant color choice that appeases you?

I wouldn't go around townreading anyone whose posts lack effort, value, relevance, purpose, honesty, fearlessness, immediacy, clarity and joy based on nothing but wifom / too scummy to be scum, but hey, I'm town.

You call literally everything WIFOM. His play so far does not seem helpful for the scumteam if he is scum. He's drawing reactions; he's placing a target on himself.

RB and Dunker have played similarly so far, but they have played very differently from Leaf. If you don't see much of a contrast, I think you need to take another look.

If you look at Flavor's ISO he literally hasn't posted a word other than votes and those boxes with reads in.

I know some fairly basic roles but a lot I have to wiki as I go - is it possible that he has a role that means he can only do what he has been doing, or is he just being elusive for fun

This isn't a theme game so I'm guessing no.

Flavor = no content
Sauce = over the top content

sure?

Hot take: I actually think Flavor has provided more content than Sauce.

I can't imagine scum playing this recklessly so I'm not going to endorse any vote there.

Reckless how?

Putting a giant target on his head by not posting a single original comment. Best-case scenario he looks like unhelpful town which often end up being lynch-worthy.

My point on flavour is in your posts

Compare the last sentence in post 98 - he provides content
And
Post 89 - putting a giant target on his back by posting no content.


Obviously we are around 600 pages on and things have been said but my theory is by posting in that particular style, some people will see the content as you did (ie they are probably people who have similar reads and may evenl reciprocate with giving FL a town read)

Other people will say wtf is this no content scum bs (etc)

By polarising the group in this way he can see quite quickly if he has a big enough faux-town-block and encourage them to lynch whoever they think they want to go for as long as a) not his scum mate, b) he doesn’t lead it. Scum are then in the driving seat

Sounds audacious? Agreed but this game is all about trying to drive an agenda without anyone knowing. Everyone seems to indicate FL is a strong player so I think he could be capable


I’m happy to hear out Jodaxq obviously

[profii]

I'm not basing the whole read on that example, in fact that's the first time i've really looked at your ISO. I guess I dont know boon as well as you so the way he just seems to be pushing the town in a direction it was going anyway, seemed off to me... i await jodaxq

and kop!

[profii]

UNVOTE: Jodaxq

Will re-read thread again today

[profii]

Quick summary of where I’m at

I won’t lynch Thor or Eth0s

I’d prefer to wait for tomorrow before making any decision on Acryon and Saucy because they have locked horns and I want to see more from them about everyone else - maybe discussions after a NK might just prompt them back into the game. Saying that, they both appeal more than letting he game go to no lynch

Dunker will be subject to a re-read

Jodaxq appears logical so I’ll reset on that for now and see how that goes.

I’m not inclined to lynch rb

Lalendra might falter under some pressure as she has had some scummy moments & kop needs to get on board but that last hurrah vote did seem a strange thing to do

VOTE: Lalendra


I usually am more considered over my votes but this game needs some momentum so I think it seems logical to place my vote on one often more concerning slots


As I said, re read later I’ll add more in a bit

[profii]

First re-read - I’m just going to bump Eth0s down from won’t lynch to unlikely to lynch.

Random defence of Hyung

[profii]

Wtf I can’t find the post. I am

sure

Eth0s said something along the lines of we shouldn’t lynch Hyung I sure about that and I thought it was odd with the lack of posts and all- also now the hyung vote on me gets me thinking

I can find a post where I referenced it but I can’t find the actual post. I’m losing my mind

[profii]

I've just re-read Dunkers ISO. He had 3 votes on him pretty quick and said someone there would be scum.

me / Flavor (Jodaxq) / eth0s.

He then moved back and forth on his read on flavor a number of times, whilst voting for me as well.
He has previously said eth0s was a town read, but could be scum for hopping on the wagon.

There was also a random PR CC in there too.

I'm kinda leaning on the flip flopping on FL being a town person who doesn't know wtf was going on. Seems weird to make a PR cc at 3 out of 6 votes though.

[profii]

What are your thoughts?

Is there any kind of non-jester but normal role that gets some kind of ability if lynched by the town. He seems to be actively being a jerk so this is my main line of thinking

[profii]

I've just re-read Dunkers ISO. He had 3 votes on him pretty quick and said someone there would be scum.

me / Flavor (Jodaxq) / eth0s.

He then moved back and forth on his read on flavor a number of times, whilst voting for me as well.
He has previously said eth0s was a town read, but could be scum for hopping on the wagon.

There was also a random PR CC in there too.

I'm kinda leaning on the flip flopping on FL being a town person who doesn't know wtf was going on. Seems weird to make a PR cc at 3 out of 6 votes though.

So what is your conclusion on all of this regarding Dunker?

Considering the word games he opted to play with me (relevant things to look at our his dissection of my "all of you" statement) I then find how he reacted to Acronym's question (2 days would be the ctrl+f to find it in iso) to read funny. If he thinks it's interesting/funny/scumhunting to dissect my words why the hell would he blow up on Acronym for straight up asking him about something he explicitly said?

That reads funky to me - and Acronym was *not* being a jerk when he asked, but got all the shotguns to the face in return.
That's what's bugging me.

Want to echo all of this.

The conclusion is I'm leaning town on the basis he genuinely didnt seem to know what to do with FL - if you are scum, it would be harder to be that indecisive.

Just wondered why he made a PR claim at 3 out of 6 votes

[profii]

rb seems too logical
VOTE: rb

in what way

[profii]

I’d say rb is significantly more involved in this game than the last one I played with him where rb was scum


But that’s just 1 game I guess

[profii]

VOTE: sauce

[profii]

I think he is on 3 votes. Not sure if he will continue to be a numpty as we approach majority so worth finding out

[profii]

Don’t see lals vote

[profii]

You are right. I missed the Thor vote too

[profii]

Sauce seems to be saying Lalendra is showing scum signs but he won’t lynch her. Now why would that be

[profii]

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

In theory do we vote Acryon or Lalendra then (the 2 players on the Sauce wagon not in the town block) now

Or do we flip sauce first

[profii]

Also damn you beating me to coming up with a saucy pun

[profii]

Lurking for so long then chucking a vote on the biggest wagon with no other content is very scummy

[profii]

I don’t care who he is. I’ll call it as I see it

[profii]

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

In theory do we vote Acryon or Lalendra then (the 2 players on the Sauce wagon not in the town block) now

Or do we flip sauce first

Could you explain the theory behind your first thought?

yeah - I was probably jumping ahead. So...

I am comfortable with the town block, I thought at least a couple of those players were on saucy, as were Lalendra and Acryon, therefore, the town block had the power to hammer.

Now the next thought was I am thinking Saucy is anti town but I'm not fully convinced he is scummy. On that logic, if he flipped town, sure someone in the town block could be scum but I think it would be more likely someone on the wagon outside of the town block - i.e. Lalendra or Acryon.

so my thought was basically an question aimed at the town block, out of saucy/acryon/lalendra who do we find most scummy, given we can potentially make a lynch happen, we should discuss

[profii]

all of that is playing the probabilities a bit but there you go.

The other thought I had was that eth0s jumped on Lalendra pretty sharp there, I wondered if he was on the same wavelength as my initial post and was anticipating the town block might move to lalendra, therefore a scum!eth0s would want to get on the bus before the wagon started.

again, audacious but just a thought.

[profii]

Are there any town reads on Lalendra? If there are, why?

I started to type up my response, but this pretty much nails it for me:

I have literally no read on lalendra because I feel that she's likely lynchbait as either alignment.

Now the next thought was I am thinking Saucy is anti town but I'm not fully convinced he is scummy. On that logic, if he flipped town, sure someone in the town block could be scum but I think it would be more likely someone on the wagon outside of the town block - i.e. Lalendra or Acryon.

Obviously I have a vested interest in this discussion, but this logic is heavily flawed. Why should someone outside of the townblock (which rb established himself) be any more likely to be scum than town based on that flip? Isn't it just as likely that rb was wrong about who he included in his townblock?

Lining up lynches this early in the game feels like a disaster waiting to happen.

I take your point - however I am happy not to lynch anyone in the town block, so given the only way we kill scum is that we agree on a majority lynch and we have 4 people I don't think are scum, it helps me place my vote...hopefully directing it at scum. Obviously every player will see that differently, it's the nature of the game.

[profii]

Saucy, at best, is hard work, so given the day / day phase issue has resurfaced, i thought i'd look at that and see what the answer is. In the spoiler tag below is any quote that references either days or policy lynching from Saucy.

My analysis is:


Post 119 - the issue starts here, Saucy wishes to policy lynch FL for that quote-posting thing.

Post 119-124 = Acryon queries if the policy is lack of content, Saucy says no for self imposed quoting and highlights Acryon is linking rb and dunkers mistakenly.

Post 125/134 - Saucy denies wishing to policy lynch someone in 2 days into the game. It's quite pedantic to go from suggesting a policy lynch on day 2, to disputing it based on, i assume, the initial post not having a time constraint.

In post 135 I pointed out day =/= day phase where saucy continues to be pedantic in 136


Post 141 - Saucy further introduces the idea of "page 2", which had not been previously mentioned, we were distinctly saying calendar day 2 was quick for a policy lynch. He further pushes this confusion in post 191


post 365 - Saucy said

2. I didn't say I wanted the day to end two days into the dayphase. Correct?

- This is true, he suggested the idea of a PL on day 2, he didnt say anything along the lines of lets all get on the wagon and get it done guys.


Post 367 - Acryon said -

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

- I am going to double check this, this could be interesting.
The conclusion to this exchange in 378 is that Saucy finds FL's quote/read style limiting and scummy, which as a principle, is fairly sound.

Post 388 - tee hee hee



the big post at the end (I somehow broke the BB code so not sure which post this actually is )

In response to 730, Saucy accuses Thor of playing word games, but i think Saucy is not innocent here with the page 2 push.

Then at the end of the post, Saucy goes into the intricacies of the scenarios around policy lynching on day 2 and weather that makes him town or scum based on thors scenarios.

Spoiler: quotes

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game? I assume RB and Dunker are quite high on your policy lynch list?

Why?

Because their level of contribution is similar to Leaf's. I would say they've contributed less actually.

I thought you said it wasn't. Needless to say the reason for policy lynching Leaf is because he has self-imposed the limitation of quote-only gameplay. You must've assumed this was the case, but welcomed the occasion of trying to instigate animosity between rb, Dunker and myself. Smooth

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?

No, I'm not, nor did I in any way say that.

Is this a joke? You literally have the quote of you saying "willing to policy lynch Leaf" in this same post you replied to...

The quote says nothing about 2 days. Is this your idea of acting like pro-town?

Lurking derp get a clue before you post. Nobody said anything about dayphases

Man, I wish this was the tiebreaker game for team mafia, so the whole site would have to read and see the amount of shit I have to sift through just to lynch this fucking scum who scumclaimed on page 1.

I think you think you're a lot better at this than you are...

To be perfectly clear, I said:
"You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?"

I meant:
You're willing to policy lynch someone? And you're willing to do that just 2 days into the game?"

That's the same tough isn't it. To be surprised at my retort you would have to have said something like "You decided on page 2 (wasn't page 2 though was it) to policy lynch once the game has progressed enough to warrant a lynch in general."
You implied I want the hammer to occur on page 2, which I absolutely didn't say nor mean nor hint at. Hence..

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?

No, I'm not, nor did I in any way say that.

@acryon so ..

@Profii

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ng_as_Town

For your education if you are town.
Though that reaction makes me really want to flip you now.

does this mean Thor wants to hammer profii on page 2?

You're badly reaching here.

1. He said "makes me want to". You said "willing to". An apparent wordsmith such as yourself shouldn't have any problem understanding the differences between these two, and I think I'd be insulting your intelligence if I spent anymore time expounding.

2. Ignoring the semantics, he was talking about a reaction, meaning his reason for wanting to lynch would've been because he thinks they're scum. You supported a policy lynch.

1. stop trying to troll me and troll me.
2. Is it not hypocritical for a policy lynch supporter such as yourself to criticize me for finding a policy lynch on Leaf appropriate?

So I said, meh, why not. Your scumbuddy is about to get lynched because he scumslipped and next dayphase you'll get lynched because you tried to obstruct the push on him .. at least I can give him this much.

Obviously the best way to scumhunt is to write the necessary posts one deems sufficient in order to make in unmistakably clear to the objective observer that one is town. Then, if everyone or at least a majority has been given the chance to do so we can start applying pressure. And then if there are inconsistencies or slips or lack of the qualities I've invoked earlier in this game that pertain to townieness, then one can objectively say upon scrutinizing them, that one has succeeded in scumhunting and the rest is up to the fellow townies.

This is such a weird way to view the game. This assumes everyone has this same MO, which they don't. My goal is not to "make it unmistakably clear to the objective observer" that I'm town. I'm just trying to scum-hunt and I think that the work will speak for itself when people look at it.

This game is not some utopia where we all sit around talking about how town we are and then everyone moves on to some "scumhunting" phase.

If you are town then how do you explain that every attempt to divulge my townieness is countered with senseless aggravation of your stupidity. I have yet to lose an argument against you, while you have lost every single one. 1. "FOS: rb = Roleblocker" wasn't role speculation. Correct? 1.1. I have every right to call you stupid if you're going to act like it was. 1.2. You, and profii for that matter have in one instant thrown out all the intelligence credibility to falsely accuse me of something that never existed. How can I or anyone else ever trust your judgement after such a roflwut display of idiocy, correct? . 2. I didn't say I wanted the day to end two days into the dayphase. Correct? 3. Only I can assess the merit of asking about the number of scum and sk probability in my particular situation. Correct? 4. I explain why setup speculation is a waste of time and space which is best allocated to scumhunting, the material for which should be abundant in a later stage of the game, and my conclusions are unchallenged, let alone intelligently rebutted, so I exposed all the fuss around it as stupidity at best, malicious scum off-balance-throwing at worst. Correct? Everything Thor has ever written with regard to my posts is false, twisted, misappropriated, generalized and truncated down in an absolutely horrifying gaslighting manner, and he needs to seek professional help because that is just not something you do to your enemies let alone your fellow player, Correct? Do I need to quote 50% of his posts and cross-reference them with what I've actually posted? Because I'll do that for the sake of my sanity. 6. Nobody has made a case against me that entails something I did; the best thing anyone could come up with is gaslighting with regard to the lack of content I supposedly produced. I have nothing to defend against except all these idiocy-enforcing fecal matter projectiles, and yet I'm the one getting lectured, and psychologically and ego profiled, my play classified as irritating and annoying and getting negative psychiatric/health evaluations. Correct? 7. If I post this the way it is I will get shit for it, even though it's the truth. Correct? Prove me wrong.

1. I never had an issue with your RB comment. I always had an issue with you asking about how many scum their were. This is evidenced by my follow-up discussion with you, which was exclusively about that aspect.

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

3. Wrong. Everyone has the right assess the merit of anything. That's literally what this game is.

4. Except you are the one that brought it up in the first place; AND setup speculation is actually a

critical

component of the game in later days as we determine the best course of action.

You seem to think I ever had an issue with 21, which I didn't. I have never even eluded to the fact that I cared about 21. My issue was always about 22, which is obvious to anyone who read the thread.

1. How is that role speculation? And how is that agreeing completely with what profii said?
2, There's absolutely no reason for a decision to policy lynch someone who refuses to use the full capacity of his expression to surprise you.
3. Here you are lecturing me about what the game is after all this .. this^ including. Are you fucking kidding me?
4. No it's not, read my arguments. Nobody needs to chew new setup information and spit it out into someone else's mouth to be able to get and digest it. I've brought what up first. This is going to lead to more stupidity, there's no other way around it, but I can't expose it before you answer this, or else I would, but your statement makes zero sense as it is.

1. I suppose it is not "role speculation" as much as it is "setup speculation", but that feels like semantics to me.
2. Given that PL are bad 99% of the time, I think there is.
3. N/A
4. Talking to a wall on this point if you can't understand.

1. It's kind of late to guess now though. I don' care about how you supposedly feel about anything.
2. Even so, encouraging Flavor to limit himself is scummy.
3. Why don't you N/A all the points. Would be faster for me, more convenient for everyone.
4. I understand. You declare yourself either willing to chew the setup information for someone or you want someone to chew it for you. Either way it would stand in the way of scumhunting. Not so much on page 1, when it's a basic question I as a newcomer want to know.

Saucy Waucy

I want to be as far away from this individual's influence as humanly possible.

What are your thoughts?

Is there any kind of non-jester but normal role that gets some kind of ability if lynched by the town. He seems to be actively being a jerk so this is my main line of thinking

That reads funky to me - and Acronym was *not* being a jerk when he asked, but got all the shotguns to the face in return.
That's what's bugging me.

First off you quote the post the sole purpose of which was to diss me. The answer whether there's a jester in the setup was answered negatively so just the fact that you insinuate that this provocation needs your attention more than actually doing something constructive is of course you propagating that insult. For me to improve at doing my job as a townie --which is what you and a bunch of others formed a choir group around-- the insult need to stop, obviously.

I don't see him actively being a jerk to be connected to role - as he did wait till people questioned his actions and statements before acting jerk-like.

Calling someone stupid when they've exhibited apparent stupidity is not jerk-like behavior. So no amount of calling someone stupid should be considered jerk-like behavior if I can prove that it's a direct response to stupidity exhibition. If, however, I've been mistreated with accusations implying otherwise so much that it can't be expected of me to tolerate it any longer then I will go HAM on the agents of mistreatment and am in no way responsible for anything, because the insults prevented me from improving my state. No amount of taking out of context subsequent posts is going to change that.
Instead of ignoring the underlying cause and insinuating that I'm the cause any townie with some basic common sense would've simply stopped the insults before demanding a supposed increase in performance and effort to persuade.

The question is whether he is brittle enough that questioning him just sets him off - or is he nervous scum who went whole hog as soon as he felt any suspicion towards him.

Insults masked as content. Just because you're dressing it up in a town vs scum dilemma it doesn't make 'brittle' go away. By saying questioning you generalize, why don't you specifically point towards the supposed question which allegedly set me off? Because then you'd expose its provoking and insulting nature, and you would have to admit that I wasn't set off. Am I set off now? or am I calmly explaining these things to you like I said I would?
If you're going to claim the latter, then the post I'm disambiguating as I speak is an example for how you operate in setting the stage for future lies and provocations.

Considering the word games he opted to play with me (relevant things to look at our his dissection of my "all of you" statement) I then find how he reacted to Acronym's question (2 days would be the ctrl+f to find it in iso) to read funny. If he thinks it's interesting/funny/scumhunting to dissect my words why the hell would he blow up on Acronym for straight up asking him about something he explicitly said?

Because when I say that when you say nobody except someone other than you is trying to create content and solve the game then it's clear that you didn't include yourself, which means you don't want to solve the game.
[sopiler=No amount of 'I don't think I said that' is going to change that ]

I don't think I am because nothing in there says that.
How do you translate what I said to get that conclusion?

In direct contrast

Spoiler: acryon says

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game? I assume RB and Dunker are quite high on your policy lynch list?

There's no reason for him to assume that I wanted to policy hammer him 2 days into the game, because being willing to policy lynch someone could mean policy hammer someone on Day 3, and yet his alleged surprise insinuates

• I'm scum and would policy hammer FL 2 days into the game - and he found me out
• I'm town and would ..... - and he is criticizing me for it

. I tell him I don't want to policy hammer FL 2 days into the game so now it's

• I'm scum and I'm
  • lying about not having wanted to policy hammer 2 days ..
  • not lying ...
• I'm town and
  • I just set it straight that I wasn't gonna policy hammer 2 days ....
  • I'm town and am lying about ... to hide my incompetence of not knowing it's not a good idea to quicklynch 2 days in..

How is this resembling the clear way of how you said you are not trying to solve the game? There's no reason for scum to say they want someone policy hammered 2 days in, but there's a reason for scum not to include themselves in the list of supposed people who are solving the game, and that reason is because it's the truth. They want to bullshit townies into not solving the game, ever.

Easiest post I ever had to make. Do you still want the other one too?

So, whilst I'm here, let's look at Acryon for the sake of completeness -


Post 367 - Acryon said -

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

This is correct, Acryon asked, but not explicitly state this was what Saucy wanted to do.





Conclusion:

Saucy has a point that saying he is happy to place a vote on policy, is different to saying, everyone we should policy lynch this player right now
On the other hand, this all seems to have escalated into day / day phase / Day / page which largely seems to be missing the point.

So I actually think Saucy has a legit point and he is being unfairly attacked about the PL issue by Acryon.

[profii]

3v7 seems a bit much but idk what you guys do here

[profii]

Can someone tell me about the inactivity rules ?

Obviously Kop has been prodded but we are about to enter a 2 day phase where if he is scum he can be active without us seeing - if so will that reset his prod timer - i.e. if there isn’t a mod note that he will be replaced when we reconvene we need to consider him tomorrow

[profii]

Interesting choice of NK, given there was a fairly substantial wagon at one point

I’ll be re reading the thread after I’ve played football in a few hours

[profii]

Very softly increasing my town read on Dunk and Eth0s.
Don't see much action from Lalendra.
But maybe she's townish too due to lack of action and being the counter? Eh, it's more vague there, but I don't see a particularly high value in Eth0s or Dunk scum going to start a counterwagon on her towards the end, moreso for Dunk than Eth0s as he also wasn't mindful of being on a mislynch wagon.

So probably one scum in acryon, rb, Dunk, Lalendra, profii
I don't think Sauce would require a double scum push for a lynch.
So we have eth0s and Kop as high odds for 1 scum amongst them.

VOTE: Kop

You were active at night because you weren't replaced.
How was the scum QT

Good point on the not needing a double scum push. The first thing that springs to mind is eth0s town slip by mentioning the day chat thing. 17

After a quick skim of the thread, I think there is a distinct difference in Thor vs Saucy and Acryon vs Saucy.

I felt that Thor spent his time querying how Saucy applied the game logic and tried to make scum cases that way.
I felt that Acryon attacked Saucys toxic character more than his gameplay. Given Saucys toxicity was apparent very early on I'm going to...

VOTE: Acryon

on the basis that he was trying to defame Saucy to create the mislynch.

I like to try and think about why scum lynch particular people, I think Jodaxq was a victim of her own sound logic after replacing in for FL. She was quite universally town read so a fairly under the radar kill.

[profii]

oh and the only other player who i just cant read is rb - he is ever severely misguided town or blatant scum

[profii]

oh and the only other player who i just cant read is rb - he is ever severely misguided town or blatant scum

And you know I'm misguided how?

I mentioned it on day 1. As soon as a saucy wagon was around, you pushed it. Same for FL. same for me.

First 2 are flipped and I know I’m town so i start to wonder why you like to be quite vocal when a wagon gets going

[profii]

eth0s;

you made an early post saying FL and Dunkers looks like town vs scum.

Then you gradually moved your read on dunkers from null to getting as far as placing a vote on him.

Later, you also placed a vote on Flavor Leaf.


Can you just take us through you thinking here and highlight anything that caused you to change you reads in relation to these 2 players please?

[profii]

What do you make of Boon's assessment that he gets you lynched a lot, regardless of his alignment. Is that something scum Boon would say? Can you extract any non-meta read from all of this?

scum!boon is more naturally town than town!boon. he usually does crazy gambits and talks a lot as town and yeah. so yes this falls into his town meta BUT he could easily be manipulating it as scum so idk

basically i don't think we should lynch him today but i don't want him in lylo
if he could get copped and confirmed tho he's normally pretty good with reads.

That's not what I meant. It feels like provocation. I'm interested in how accurate and what motive or purpose he might have for saying that. Would he show off as scum? Would he show off considering the parameters and what happened up until now in this game?

oh sorry i misread your post
i wouldn't say he lynches me a lot, but he's a good player and he knows i know that so if i was scum i probably would be weary of him
but im town and he's probably town too

If scum!dunkers said openly in the thread that he is weary of FL and then night-killed him (despite the swap) then it's a ballsy play. I'll lean town for now.

[profii]

Oh good, eth0s is going to explain more thoughts about a player that's already flipped. I can't wait to hear thoughts about FL, who is now confirmed town.

Going to be very useful in finding scum for sure !

Well if you look at Dunkers ISO you can quote particular posts and make him look great or terrible at the same time so I am particularly interested in why eth0s has it as TvS but eventually was voting them both. Obviously at different times but when he was voting one was he sticking to his TVS principle the whole way through but you are right. Naturally more interested in what we do with dunkers

[profii]

Also, Eth0s has _just_ finished a scum game with Dunkers so he may have some insight into how Dunkers scums it up which may help us here. Obviously they could have both drawn scum again but the odds are low so although I’ll never 100% trust the answer, could be useful here

[profii]

the point was more asking eth0s do you think dunkers would be audacious enough to say he is wary of FL and then NK him or does he like to be subtle as a scum player.

eth0s has recent scum partner experience with dunkers so is best placed to answer but you can never trust anyone 100% - the gamble makes him more trustworthy but it is gambling.

regardless of eth0s answer, I think it is something that dunkers has done that is worth highlighting for everyone to make their own decision about, obviously you can see I'm town leaning on it

[profii]

Interesting that you went straight for the gamble bit though

[profii]

Good point on the not needing a double scum push. The first thing that springs to mind is eth0s town slip by mentioning the day chat thing. 17

While I still feel eth0s is likely town, "townslips" mean nothing and can easily be fabricated.

what made you change your mind? 29 - If I wasn't voting for you, you'd need a rather good explanation to stop me after that.

[profii]

After a quick skim of the thread, I think there is a distinct difference in Thor vs Saucy and Acryon vs Saucy.

I felt that Thor spent his time querying how Saucy applied the game logic and tried to make scum cases that way.

I felt that Acryon attacked Saucys toxic character more than his gameplay. Given Saucys toxicity was apparent very early on I'm going to...

Interesting. Would you mind linking to the posts where you think I was focusing more-so on his toxicity? I actually searched my posts for words like 'toxic', 'jerk', 'rude', and didn't find any, so I'm thinking you're misremembering. But I'm happy to hear you out if you find evidence to the contrary.

Just so it's clear, I'm voting eth0s because he's the most fakely active player in the game and the claim to explain why the Sauce wagon is bad is just as fake active. He flipped town, we know it's bad - that helps us find scum how exactly?

His ISO is pretty much a case study in active lurking, although I'm not convinced that's scum here.

the point was more asking eth0s do you think dunkers would be audacious enough to say he is wary of FL and then NK him or does he like to be subtle as a scum player.

You've gone down this line of thinking a few times profii, and I think it's fairly dangerous. Unless you have some heavy specific experience to suggest otherwise, we should be operating under the assumption that anyone is capable of anything.

Dunker and Lelendra are top 2 scumreads for me. I think Kop needs some heavy pressure today or we're going to be stuck with a nullslot that haunts the rest of the game.

VOTE: Kop

Point 2 - fair enough, it was gut feeling so I will find some evidence to backup my claim and if I can't i'll happily retract that, but I think I'll be able to make my point.#

point 3 - let's push him into contributions, the dunker enquiry is a good place to start imo

point 4 - last game I played I did the same thing. Chumba held the same opinion as you, then at the end eth0s recalled dunkers lynched the person because it would direct the town at a mislynch - I called it out and everyone stayed the flip away from it. (then the player replaced out and the replacement acted like a tool to get themselves lynched)

I'm in agreement that gamblers fallacy is in effect with that theory, but without us following a cop, this game is about taking risks on what we believe about what other people are saying. I believe that is a huge risk for scum!dunk, so until the day pans out I'm starting from a town lean. It's no big thing, I just thought it was worth consideration

[profii]

@ Acryon - also fair.


@ Kop - I think he means IRL homework as apposed to reading up on how a lynch happened etc.

Pedit: Until this site I've never played where scum didn't have day chat so I guess I could be over reaching

[profii]

Eth0s - I can see the short sentences for myself. I am more interested in the behind the scenes stuff that happened in the private thread, such as my theory that Dunkers said that he was weary of FL, then FL was NK’d - this could be a setup by someone else or a distancing tactic by Dunkers. Do you think he would attempt such a gambit?


Also, for you - I misread you every game so no idea. Will read your iso later

[profii]

Acryon- i promised a re-read, there were some posts where you were quite involved in Sauce and called him weird or scummy without any reasons, but in your ISO there is plenty of reads so I'll retract.

I think Lalendra summed up my point more succinctly than i can in 253

UNVOTE: Acryon



I did give some thought to Thor's suggestion that the scum split their votes on and off the lynch and I'm not sure I'm on board. I think scum NKs fall in to 3 categories:
1. Vote conservatively where it makes it hard for town to associate the kill with any player - usually this is very town read players.
2. Vote to try and direct a mis lynch. So, someone mentioned Lalendra scum read FL - maybe the scum want us to go there given Lalendra is getting a lot of lynchbait reads anyway and we just lynched someone for being toxic.
3. Vote someone who is a threat to scum. High risk because the link might be there, but the player must have either read the scum correctly or given away a PR breadcrumb or something like that.



Now, considering the game has 10 people, we know we needed 6 to lynch. Discount the victim, we need 6 of 9 players to be in agreement. Discount both scum and that's 6/7 players to mislynch. This would be tough for scum, so for me 1 scum is likely on the lynch. Now, that puts the math at 5/7 townsfolk to mislynch... still a bit of an ask, but they were helped by Saucy's toxicity, saying that a few players were suggesting he wasn't scum despite this, so to drive that lynch through do I think it was possible that scum went all in on the scum lynch? I do, actually.

This means 4/7 mislynching towns folk, a much more palatable proposition for scum to accomplish imo.


Now, we look at the lynch, scum picked a player not on the lynch. I think this is the least risky thing for them to do because if someone looks at the maths as per above and comes to the conclusion that 2 scum on the 6, if they kill there, its 2 out of 5, if the person who comes up with the theory is on the lynch, it then becomes 2v4 - a 50-50 chance of hitting scum, that would be great.


So i can see why the kill was kept off the lynch.


This strongly incriminates thor for suggesting 1on 1off and rushing Kop. Also, he was heavily involved in Sauce lynching, but that can't be given huge amounts of weight due to sauces own play, but never the less, i think it's a contribution.


VOTE: Thor665

[profii]

Well I'd say your reasons for voting eth0s are clear. I will get round to his ISO at some point but I am yet to play a town game with him so I am going to have to concentrate to eliminate bias.

I think there are a number of posts particularly earlier on in the Thor ISO where he seems to be encouraging people to lynch when they didn't particularly want to. E.g. when I'm saying my dunk read isn't 10/10 lock town, it's just a point to highlight. I can get if people are just slightly leaning scum but not confident enough to follow it up with a vote - that seems natural to me, whereas, pushing everyone to vote at every turn just seems like encouraging wagons to see if something sticks and a mislynch suddenly happens.

[profii]

@profii am I playing similarly to either of our last games (where I was scum)?

If not, what do you think about Dunkers saying I am?

I've just cast my eyes over your ISO again.
I would say no to matching last games play actually, you seem to be going in random directions, whereas in the last game, this was less apparent, but as you mentioned in this thread, when you are scum, you know the answers.

Also, I noticed I pushed you for 2 town reads just to get something out of you. Then you asked someone else for 2 town reads.

Overall, I would probably suggest you are not sure how to dig the scum out, the point I'm making about you copying my questioning tactic is that you seem to want to try anything to try and help, but maybe you are just not sure how to find a scum?

Someone could easily WIFOM that and say by mirroring someone you know is town, that player might town read you (which to be fair I have done)

I know that sounds a bit condescending (sorry) but for me it looks like you have no idea who the scum are so I'm kinda town leaning a bit.

[profii]

@Kop - you've spoken about eth0s but can you go into your scum read on Lalendra in more depth for me please?

A few players have said she is lynchbait naturally, were you aware of this and assuming you've seen those posts or were aware, what puts her beyond lynchbait into full scum read as opposed to your slight read on dunk?

ta

[profii]

It seems risky to me that the scum put themselves in a position where we are at a 50/50 between Kop and eth0s, it also didn't seem unreasonable that out of 6/9 lynch scum could try and get away with 2 on and blag their way through day 2.

I'm aware it's gambling again but my first preference would be not to lynch Kop and eth0s at the moment. Kop still has a way to go to move from null to town for me though. eth0s, town lean from me as per last analysis.

[profii]

agree, I'm just expressing which way I'm leaning. Admit I am introducing a lot of probability into my play but I am combining that with theories on players sufficiently imo.

I am curious that I've voted Thor and suggested he is directing the lynch and he hasn't defended his 1on1off logic or even acknowledged what I've said. Concerning.

[profii]

Cheers
I am agreeing with the fence sitting point. I called Lalendra out for not being offensive.

I also called Lalendra out for not noticing that we had answered the theme/flavour possibilities - personally I think this is a sign of someone who may know the answers to the game, who may not be reading the thread properly because they don't need to analyse every thing to try and find a slip etc.

After calling it out, the response was either naïve or waffle, but either way dubious.

Although I am hilarious, my bon jovi reference and pun are potential buddying points given that I potentially found a slip and called it


I'm going to stop now, because I'm reading the rest of the ISO with a pre-scum bias and just picking out negatives. I think this is perhaps dangerous against a player who has been called lynchbait.


PEdit, my readlist is quite opposite to Lalendra which I found quite interesting.


Scum - Thor, Lalendra

Null - rb

townlean - Acryon, Kop (just in!)

Town - Dunks, eth0s

[profii]

Maybe rb null is unfair and should be town lean.

I am still a bit worried he was quite vocal about wagons on my FL and sauce, which is why I said misguided earlier.
If that was scum!rb it would be a ballsy play, which I have no experience of scum trying, but that seems like I'm saying anti-scum rather than pro town - I know we say anti town but not pro scum a lot, this seems opposite.

I don't like meta but he does seem to be using this tactic to progress pressure on people and find out their thoughts, so maybe town lean is more appropriate than scum

(without reading ISO properly yet, still got that one to do!)

[profii]

I am curious that I've voted Thor and suggested he is directing the lynch and he hasn't defended his 1on1off logic or even acknowledged what I've said. Concerning.

How is it concerning?
Your case lacks logic, and no one is sheeping it, and you haven't asked me anything, so why should I address it?
Also, if you think that's concerning, then I'll note Kop hasn't addressed my case on him - so why aren't you feeling the same concerning vibe there?

lol you really don't read the thread

you are saying high odds for 1 scum off the wagon, light town read so lets rush kop

I'm saying when you think about it, there are actually better odds in 2 on the wagon, so lets vote you.

basically we are both making exactly the same case, but framing the game in our own ways.

So if you are not addressing my post, I assume your final question is rhetorical

[profii]

Your case is by the maths and an unexplained town read on Eth0s - Kop = scum

The only answer is to sheep my scenario and say the maths is wrong because you give nothing to react to. I wouldn’t say my probable scenario and reads are paranoid at all, what do you mean by that?

[profii]

I agree 1 on 1 off would be more normal

But I’d also say “normally” the remaining players would usually be split approx 50/50 on and off the wagon as well - this is absolutely not the case and warrants at least considering other possibilities.

My case is based on if scum both wagon (and I believe given the 10 player game and the flip it is quite likely) what fits. I looked at Acryon but you fit a lot better, this is based on actions you’ve taken in the game that I’ve mentioned

[profii]

VOTE: lalandra
scum

tell me more, tell me more, did you get very far (with this read?)

[profii]

Eth0s - I can see the short sentences for myself. I am more interested in the behind the scenes stuff that happened in the private thread, such as my theory that Dunkers said that he was weary of FL, then FL was NK’d - this could be a setup by someone else or a distancing tactic by Dunkers. Do you think he would attempt such a gambit?


Also, for you - I misread you every game so no idea. Will read your iso later

While you’re online eth0s- don’t think you answered the above

[profii]

Games compete I think it would be ok but I’m just asking if you felt he wanted to stay under the radar if you thought he would use the scum powers to purposely misdirect town- quoting not necessary if you want to be safe

[profii]

So you are saying Dunkers is not inclined to try cunning gambits

That gives me confidence in my theory he wouldn’t say he is weary of FL then off him.
Good

[profii]

if you notice last game i was trying way harder and had much more spammy posts and much more bad reasoning

this game, my reads make sense and im not as loud

I’m not sure you’ll ever need to worry about being loud :p

[profii]

I don’t think so, I think he was trying to draw my focus to you using my own logic that I applied to him.

I didn’t like it

Eth0s I have no intention of telling you how to vote on day 2

[profii]

The player I'm voting for, for the reasons I've stated.

[profii]

what is the game where dunker and ethos played

need to verify who's lying at this point

The one I lost on my wiki

[profii]

if jo doesn't turn out to be scum i'd expect rb to be scum

still thinking this or no?

[profii]

Interesting that you voted for the player you were already voting for there Lalendra.

[profii]

No intent here

[profii]

But I’ll re read iso I’m basing that off one post to be fair

[profii]

That was a lynch?

[profii]

I'm guessing a vig and a scum kill?

So we are looking at 2 v 3 now maybe? wrong lynch and we are pooped?

I was going to tunnel RB for that Dunker hammer today but never mind. I need to re-evaluate.

[profii]

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Sauce(6)

:

acryon,

Thor665, rb

, profii, Lalendra,

Dunkerdoodles

Lalendra(2):

eth0s,

Jodaxq

acryon(1):

Sauce

profii(1):

kop

A lynch has been acheived!!

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Mod Notes: Have fun!

VOTECOUNT 2.04

Lalendra(1):

Dunkerdoodles

Thor665(1)

:

profii

eth0s(1):

Kop

Dunkerdoodles(5

):

Lalendra, acryon, eth0s,

Thor665, rb

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved!!

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2018-02-11 09:52:34)

Mod Notes: Have fun!

[profii]

Very softly increasing my town read on Dunk and Eth0s.

Don't see much action from Lalendra.

But maybe she's townish too due to lack of action and being the counter? Eh, it's more vague there, but I don't see a particularly high value in Eth0s or Dunk scum going to start a counterwagon on her towards the end, moreso for Dunk than Eth0s as he also wasn't mindful of being on a mislynch wagon.

So probably one scum in acryon, rb, Dunk, Lalendra, profii
I don't think Sauce would require a double scum push for a lynch.
So we have eth0s and Kop as high odds for 1 scum amongst them.

VOTE: Kop

You were active at night because you weren't replaced.
How was the scum QT

Anyone else content that was a bread crumb?

[profii]

No cc here

[profii]

Okay so it's Kop/acryon or maybe even kop/profii then?
I shot rb, but I'm only a 1-shot vig so I guess I am basically VT now.

I was going to wait for more people but I’ll post my theory


You haven’t mentioned Lalendra there - just because she wasn’t tracked, doesn’t town clear her - could just not have executed the kill


Until your claim is cc’d I’ll run with it...

Scum killed Thor for a reason - he was an advocate for 1on1off theory and he was really pushing rb for his reads. Thor then got on the Dunker wagon.

I think the main consideration for scum is the 1on1off theory - if they kill Thor/leave me alive it makes you think the 1on1off is a threat to scum - this means subject to no cc on Eth0s and we take that at face value the logical lynch is Kop

However, if we wifom then we could say it’s a bluff and they were both on the lynches - this makes it Lalendra and Acryon


Now, I note Lal and Acryon were on both lynches. I also note I initially voted for Acryon and he got me to review and I did move off him. Unfortunately for him, I went for Thor which didn’t help a lynch. With the even numbers in this game I still think the majority was tough so I’m sticking with my 2on theory and sayings it’s Acryon and Lalendra

If there is a cc I’ll rethink it but Acryon is my preference today

[profii]

There is some significant posts around when rb called a perfect town block and I pointed out as a unit we should have voted Lal and Acryon btw. I’ll quote them tomorrow (phoneposting rn)

[profii]

Spoiler:

Very softly increasing my town read on Dunk and Eth0s.

Don't see much action from Lalendra.

But maybe she's townish too due to lack of action and being the counter? Eh, it's more vague there, but I don't see a particularly high value in Eth0s or Dunk scum going to start a counterwagon on her towards the end, moreso for Dunk than Eth0s as he also wasn't mindful of being on a mislynch wagon.

So probably one scum in acryon, rb, Dunk, Lalendra, profii
I don't think Sauce would require a double scum push for a lynch.
So we have eth0s and Kop as high odds for 1 scum amongst them.

VOTE: Kop

You were active at night because you weren't replaced.
How was the scum QT

Anyone else content that was a bread crumb?

I agree, and nice catch, although as you mentioned later on, it just means she didn't submit a kill.

Scum killed Thor for a reason - he was an advocate for 1on1off theory and he was really pushing rb for his reads. Thor then got on the Dunker wagon.

I think the main consideration for scum is the 1on1off theory - if they kill Thor/leave me alive it makes you think the 1on1off is a threat to scum - this means subject to no cc on Eth0s and we take that at face value the logical lynch is Kop

However, if we wifom then we could say it’s a bluff and they were both on the lynches - this makes it Lalendra and Acryon


Now, I note Lal and Acryon were on both lynches. I also note I initially voted for Acryon and he got me to review and I did move off him. Unfortunately for him, I went for Thor which didn’t help a lynch. With the even numbers in this game I still think the majority was tough so I’m sticking with my 2on theory and sayings it’s Acryon and Lalendra

Thor is a very strong player with a lot of experience, which is enough reason for a kill IMO. Being in MyLo, I'd be more worried about scum using a kill to lead us into making bad decisions based on WIFOM.

The main thing that gave me pause with Lalendra was the interaction dunker was having with her, but now that he's flipped town, my reservations are mostly gone.

eth0s is 100% town. I've felt profii has been genuine for much of the game, leading me to believe he is still town. This leaves Kop and Lalendra. Lalendra is the most clear to me. Once Lal flips scum, it's likely Kop but can also see a scenario where I'm very upset with myself for letting profii lead me on.

@Acryon - interesting points. First time I’ve encountered Thor on this site so I’m not standing on ceremony - do you know Kop? Would he acknowledge Thor’s reputation?

[profii]

Spoiler: RBs townblock

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

In theory do we vote Acryon or Lalendra then (the 2 players on the Sauce wagon not in the town block) now

Or do we flip sauce first

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

In theory do we vote Acryon or Lalendra then (the 2 players on the Sauce wagon not in the town block) now

Or do we flip sauce first

Could you explain the theory behind your first thought?

Not gonna lie, every single reason given for eth0s townreads are just not reasons I agree with. Jodax is probably town, profii I think is town also despite the rougher-than-Trumps-face furor that went on before.

I think scum are most likely the people not giving much weight to the game at this point and allowing the situation to unfold. I'm townblocking thor, profii, jodax, dunker.

Where's everyone on their townreads of those 4 slots?

In theory do we vote Acryon or Lalendra then (the 2 players on the Sauce wagon not in the town block) now

Or do we flip sauce first

Could you explain the theory behind your first thought?

yeah - I was probably jumping ahead. So...

I am comfortable with the town block, I thought at least a couple of those players were on saucy, as were Lalendra and Acryon, therefore, the town block had the power to hammer.

Now the next thought was I am thinking Saucy is anti town but I'm not fully convinced he is scummy. On that logic, if he flipped town, sure someone in the town block could be scum but I think it would be more likely someone on the wagon outside of the town block - i.e. Lalendra or Acryon.

so my thought was basically an question aimed at the town block, out of saucy/acryon/lalendra who do we find most scummy, given we can potentially make a lynch happen, we should discuss

Saucy, at best, is hard work, so given the day / day phase issue has resurfaced, i thought i'd look at that and see what the answer is. In the spoiler tag below is any quote that references either days or policy lynching from Saucy.

My analysis is:


Post 119 - the issue starts here, Saucy wishes to policy lynch FL for that quote-posting thing.

Post 119-124 = Acryon queries if the policy is lack of content, Saucy says no for self imposed quoting and highlights Acryon is linking rb and dunkers mistakenly.

Post 125/134 - Saucy denies wishing to policy lynch someone in 2 days into the game. It's quite pedantic to go from suggesting a policy lynch on day 2, to disputing it based on, i assume, the initial post not having a time constraint.

In post 135 I pointed out day =/= day phase where saucy continues to be pedantic in 136


Post 141 - Saucy further introduces the idea of "page 2", which had not been previously mentioned, we were distinctly saying calendar day 2 was quick for a policy lynch. He further pushes this confusion in post 191


post 365 - Saucy said

2. I didn't say I wanted the day to end two days into the dayphase. Correct?

- This is true, he suggested the idea of a PL on day 2, he didnt say anything along the lines of lets all get on the wagon and get it done guys.


Post 367 - Acryon said -

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

- I am going to double check this, this could be interesting.
The conclusion to this exchange in 378 is that Saucy finds FL's quote/read style limiting and scummy, which as a principle, is fairly sound.

Post 388 - tee hee hee



the big post at the end (I somehow broke the BB code so not sure which post this actually is )

In response to 730, Saucy accuses Thor of playing word games, but i think Saucy is not innocent here with the page 2 push.

Then at the end of the post, Saucy goes into the intricacies of the scenarios around policy lynching on day 2 and weather that makes him town or scum based on thors scenarios.

Spoiler: quotes

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game? I assume RB and Dunker are quite high on your policy lynch list?

Why?

Because their level of contribution is similar to Leaf's. I would say they've contributed less actually.

I thought you said it wasn't. Needless to say the reason for policy lynching Leaf is because he has self-imposed the limitation of quote-only gameplay. You must've assumed this was the case, but welcomed the occasion of trying to instigate animosity between rb, Dunker and myself. Smooth

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?

No, I'm not, nor did I in any way say that.

Is this a joke? You literally have the quote of you saying "willing to policy lynch Leaf" in this same post you replied to...

The quote says nothing about 2 days. Is this your idea of acting like pro-town?

Lurking derp get a clue before you post. Nobody said anything about dayphases

Man, I wish this was the tiebreaker game for team mafia, so the whole site would have to read and see the amount of shit I have to sift through just to lynch this fucking scum who scumclaimed on page 1.

I think you think you're a lot better at this than you are...

To be perfectly clear, I said:
"You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?"

I meant:
You're willing to policy lynch someone? And you're willing to do that just 2 days into the game?"

That's the same tough isn't it. To be surprised at my retort you would have to have said something like "You decided on page 2 (wasn't page 2 though was it) to policy lynch once the game has progressed enough to warrant a lynch in general."
You implied I want the hammer to occur on page 2, which I absolutely didn't say nor mean nor hint at. Hence..

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game?

No, I'm not, nor did I in any way say that.

@acryon so ..

@Profii

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ng_as_Town

For your education if you are town.
Though that reaction makes me really want to flip you now.

does this mean Thor wants to hammer profii on page 2?

You're badly reaching here.

1. He said "makes me want to". You said "willing to". An apparent wordsmith such as yourself shouldn't have any problem understanding the differences between these two, and I think I'd be insulting your intelligence if I spent anymore time expounding.

2. Ignoring the semantics, he was talking about a reaction, meaning his reason for wanting to lynch would've been because he thinks they're scum. You supported a policy lynch.

1. stop trying to troll me and troll me.
2. Is it not hypocritical for a policy lynch supporter such as yourself to criticize me for finding a policy lynch on Leaf appropriate?

So I said, meh, why not. Your scumbuddy is about to get lynched because he scumslipped and next dayphase you'll get lynched because you tried to obstruct the push on him .. at least I can give him this much.

Obviously the best way to scumhunt is to write the necessary posts one deems sufficient in order to make in unmistakably clear to the objective observer that one is town. Then, if everyone or at least a majority has been given the chance to do so we can start applying pressure. And then if there are inconsistencies or slips or lack of the qualities I've invoked earlier in this game that pertain to townieness, then one can objectively say upon scrutinizing them, that one has succeeded in scumhunting and the rest is up to the fellow townies.

This is such a weird way to view the game. This assumes everyone has this same MO, which they don't. My goal is not to "make it unmistakably clear to the objective observer" that I'm town. I'm just trying to scum-hunt and I think that the work will speak for itself when people look at it.

This game is not some utopia where we all sit around talking about how town we are and then everyone moves on to some "scumhunting" phase.

If you are town then how do you explain that every attempt to divulge my townieness is countered with senseless aggravation of your stupidity. I have yet to lose an argument against you, while you have lost every single one. 1. "FOS: rb = Roleblocker" wasn't role speculation. Correct? 1.1. I have every right to call you stupid if you're going to act like it was. 1.2. You, and profii for that matter have in one instant thrown out all the intelligence credibility to falsely accuse me of something that never existed. How can I or anyone else ever trust your judgement after such a roflwut display of idiocy, correct? . 2. I didn't say I wanted the day to end two days into the dayphase. Correct? 3. Only I can assess the merit of asking about the number of scum and sk probability in my particular situation. Correct? 4. I explain why setup speculation is a waste of time and space which is best allocated to scumhunting, the material for which should be abundant in a later stage of the game, and my conclusions are unchallenged, let alone intelligently rebutted, so I exposed all the fuss around it as stupidity at best, malicious scum off-balance-throwing at worst. Correct? Everything Thor has ever written with regard to my posts is false, twisted, misappropriated, generalized and truncated down in an absolutely horrifying gaslighting manner, and he needs to seek professional help because that is just not something you do to your enemies let alone your fellow player, Correct? Do I need to quote 50% of his posts and cross-reference them with what I've actually posted? Because I'll do that for the sake of my sanity. 6. Nobody has made a case against me that entails something I did; the best thing anyone could come up with is gaslighting with regard to the lack of content I supposedly produced. I have nothing to defend against except all these idiocy-enforcing fecal matter projectiles, and yet I'm the one getting lectured, and psychologically and ego profiled, my play classified as irritating and annoying and getting negative psychiatric/health evaluations. Correct? 7. If I post this the way it is I will get shit for it, even though it's the truth. Correct? Prove me wrong.

1. I never had an issue with your RB comment. I always had an issue with you asking about how many scum their were. This is evidenced by my follow-up discussion with you, which was exclusively about that aspect.

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

3. Wrong. Everyone has the right assess the merit of anything. That's literally what this game is.

4. Except you are the one that brought it up in the first place; AND setup speculation is actually a

critical

component of the game in later days as we determine the best course of action.

You seem to think I ever had an issue with 21, which I didn't. I have never even eluded to the fact that I cared about 21. My issue was always about 22, which is obvious to anyone who read the thread.

1. How is that role speculation? And how is that agreeing completely with what profii said?
2, There's absolutely no reason for a decision to policy lynch someone who refuses to use the full capacity of his expression to surprise you.
3. Here you are lecturing me about what the game is after all this .. this^ including. Are you fucking kidding me?
4. No it's not, read my arguments. Nobody needs to chew new setup information and spit it out into someone else's mouth to be able to get and digest it. I've brought what up first. This is going to lead to more stupidity, there's no other way around it, but I can't expose it before you answer this, or else I would, but your statement makes zero sense as it is.

1. I suppose it is not "role speculation" as much as it is "setup speculation", but that feels like semantics to me.
2. Given that PL are bad 99% of the time, I think there is.
3. N/A
4. Talking to a wall on this point if you can't understand.

1. It's kind of late to guess now though. I don' care about how you supposedly feel about anything.
2. Even so, encouraging Flavor to limit himself is scummy.
3. Why don't you N/A all the points. Would be faster for me, more convenient for everyone.
4. I understand. You declare yourself either willing to chew the setup information for someone or you want someone to chew it for you. Either way it would stand in the way of scumhunting. Not so much on page 1, when it's a basic question I as a newcomer want to know.

Saucy Waucy

I want to be as far away from this individual's influence as humanly possible.

What are your thoughts?

Is there any kind of non-jester but normal role that gets some kind of ability if lynched by the town. He seems to be actively being a jerk so this is my main line of thinking

That reads funky to me - and Acronym was *not* being a jerk when he asked, but got all the shotguns to the face in return.
That's what's bugging me.

First off you quote the post the sole purpose of which was to diss me. The answer whether there's a jester in the setup was answered negatively so just the fact that you insinuate that this provocation needs your attention more than actually doing something constructive is of course you propagating that insult. For me to improve at doing my job as a townie --which is what you and a bunch of others formed a choir group around-- the insult need to stop, obviously.

I don't see him actively being a jerk to be connected to role - as he did wait till people questioned his actions and statements before acting jerk-like.

Calling someone stupid when they've exhibited apparent stupidity is not jerk-like behavior. So no amount of calling someone stupid should be considered jerk-like behavior if I can prove that it's a direct response to stupidity exhibition. If, however, I've been mistreated with accusations implying otherwise so much that it can't be expected of me to tolerate it any longer then I will go HAM on the agents of mistreatment and am in no way responsible for anything, because the insults prevented me from improving my state. No amount of taking out of context subsequent posts is going to change that.
Instead of ignoring the underlying cause and insinuating that I'm the cause any townie with some basic common sense would've simply stopped the insults before demanding a supposed increase in performance and effort to persuade.

The question is whether he is brittle enough that questioning him just sets him off - or is he nervous scum who went whole hog as soon as he felt any suspicion towards him.

Insults masked as content. Just because you're dressing it up in a town vs scum dilemma it doesn't make 'brittle' go away. By saying questioning you generalize, why don't you specifically point towards the supposed question which allegedly set me off? Because then you'd expose its provoking and insulting nature, and you would have to admit that I wasn't set off. Am I set off now? or am I calmly explaining these things to you like I said I would?
If you're going to claim the latter, then the post I'm disambiguating as I speak is an example for how you operate in setting the stage for future lies and provocations.

Considering the word games he opted to play with me (relevant things to look at our his dissection of my "all of you" statement) I then find how he reacted to Acronym's question (2 days would be the ctrl+f to find it in iso) to read funny. If he thinks it's interesting/funny/scumhunting to dissect my words why the hell would he blow up on Acronym for straight up asking him about something he explicitly said?

Because when I say that when you say nobody except someone other than you is trying to create content and solve the game then it's clear that you didn't include yourself, which means you don't want to solve the game.
[sopiler=No amount of 'I don't think I said that' is going to change that ]

I don't think I am because nothing in there says that.
How do you translate what I said to get that conclusion?

In direct contrast

Spoiler: acryon says

Willing to policy lynch Leaf. Don't think Lalendra and acryon should've encouraged him.

You're willing to policy lynch someone 2 days into the game? I assume RB and Dunker are quite high on your policy lynch list?

There's no reason for him to assume that I wanted to policy hammer him 2 days into the game, because being willing to policy lynch someone could mean policy hammer someone on Day 3, and yet his alleged surprise insinuates

• I'm scum and would policy hammer FL 2 days into the game - and he found me out
• I'm town and would ..... - and he is criticizing me for it

. I tell him I don't want to policy hammer FL 2 days into the game so now it's

• I'm scum and I'm
  • lying about not having wanted to policy hammer 2 days ..
  • not lying ...
• I'm town and
  • I just set it straight that I wasn't gonna policy hammer 2 days ....
  • I'm town and am lying about ... to hide my incompetence of not knowing it's not a good idea to quicklynch 2 days in..

How is this resembling the clear way of how you said you are not trying to solve the game? There's no reason for scum to say they want someone policy hammered 2 days in, but there's a reason for scum not to include themselves in the list of supposed people who are solving the game, and that reason is because it's the truth. They want to bullshit townies into not solving the game, ever.

Easiest post I ever had to make. Do you still want the other one too?



So, whilst I'm here, let's look at Acryon for the sake of completeness -


Post 367 - Acryon said -

2. I also never said you wanted the day to end two days into the day phase. I was surprised by your early willingness to state that you think a PL would be appropriate.

This is correct, Acryon asked, but not explicitly state this was what Saucy wanted to do.





Conclusion:

Saucy has a point that saying he is happy to place a vote on policy, is different to saying, everyone we should policy lynch this player right now
On the other hand, this all seems to have escalated into day / day phase / Day / page which largely seems to be missing the point.

So I actually think Saucy has a legit point and he is being unfairly attacked about the PL issue by Acryon.

Any thoughts kop/eth0s?

[profii]

@our dearest most fearless leader, Archwing, if you could add a / to that final spoiler tag to fix my reckless stupidity i will owe you my first born daughter and best offerings from this years harvest.

The change you initially requested did not have the desired effect. I shuffled around a couple tags to get what you currently see. Hopefully this is sufficient to get your point across. I want that baby.

[profii]

the purpose of that was the RB town block he called out was perfect, so revisiting my logic that we should have looked at

sauce

/lal/acryon given the entire thing was unlikely to be a entirely town driven thing, it supports a lynch on lal or acryon which is where my focus is right now

I'd made a case against acryon based on his interactions with saucy and i guess i let him lead me to thor, but interestingly, no one followed me, so i am going to look to see if anyone tried to bring me round to dunkers. i was pretty sure he was town though so would have been tough/obvious for scum to try anything...


Let's try and predict the game:


player: lynch choice 1: lynch choice 2

Profii: Acryon - Lalendra
eth0s: Lalendra - Acryon
Lalendra: Profii - eth0s
Acryon: Kop - Lalendra
Kop: Lalendra + ?

what else do we know. eth0s made a vig claim and we've had no cc. That's a good thing and puts more doubt on Lalendra.


I say we lay down votes if anyone else agrees?

[profii]

so what do you think about eth0s vig claim?

You are essentially saying 2 scum is eth0s + presumably me based on your previous comments, however given the uncontested claim, I think we can give eth0s town status fairly safely

[profii]

That fact, in and of itself, should make you suspicious of the fact that there are 4 people who seem to agree on lynching me. Two of them are scum and two are misguided town.

That fact, in and of itself, should make you suspicious of the fact that there are 4 people who seem to agree on lynching me. Two of them are scum and two are misguided town.

It's very reasonable that scum would be bussing.

@Acryon, what do you want to see from the body of town players before we actually vote?

It seems clear that Lalendra is likely going today - I think explaining that eth0s read away will be tough based on the lack of counter claim so I don't anticipate anyone changing their view.

I suggest we do not speculate on night kills or tomorrows actions as we will only give scum clues on who is town blocking with each other and who they should kill.

[profii]

-eth0s, I suggest you don't explain your reads, on the basis if you provide any town block, scum will look to divide and conquer with tonight's NK.

[profii]

yeah but it could all change subject to the NK so why rush that

[profii]

yeah but it could all change subject to the NK so why rush that

Because whoever gets NK won't get a chance to elaborate.

so if we lose a VT, we don't get to see their speculative reads.

Let's put it this way, if we lynch Lal and you die, I am very confused tomorrow.


another post from eth0s and Kop and I intend to place the first vote on Lal.

[profii]

- oh plus an answer RE the eth0s read from Lal before my vote as I requested earlier...

[profii]

In theory we’ve had a bodyguard (protection) / tracker (investigation) / and a unconfirmed vig

I can see that being it in a 10player game but happy to say I’m VT anyway

[profii]

Well that was an unexpected turn in the wrong direction

[profii]

I was content that Acryon and Lale were the last 2 scum. You’ve just put massive doubts in my mind by not going through rb when we are at MyLo

I can roll with not mass claiming on the off chance there is 1 last PR but I don’t know why you wouldn’t talk about a spent Pr, especially when you used it to kill a player who hammered an obvious-town, it wasn’t a bad call

[profii]

so you are 100% sure Kop is not scum? Can you say why?

[profii]

I’m all for this but kop needs to help us move the game along at this point

[profii]

Eth0s- note that you said you aren’t 100% on kop
You said you were going to shoot him and Acryon doesn’t care

Please hold fire

[profii]

What? The game is at 0mph right now

What is left to sort? Everyone has given a read and it looks like Lalendra could easily have been lynched

I’m ready to place a vote on you first or if town still really want to go with Laleandra I’m confident we’ve found the scum team


The reason you’ve just moved into number 1 spot is I’m confident there is a vig based on 2 kills. I’m happy it’s eth0s based on no cc
I’m really concerned that eth0s claimed 2 shot and intent to fire on a player and you didn’t react to it. The only saving grace is you _did_ scum read him which is probably the only thing making me hesitate putting a vote in