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[Katyusha]

i was kind of hoping the mod would lock the thread and there'd be a chance that my iso would just be that one post For The Memes but that's not looking like the case - i'd already pm'd him that elmo hammered herself too

i dont really have the chance to read at this second and was planning on reading the next game phase if i'm not killed (literally have no idea what the gamestate is besides elmo scumhammering herself and me and almost being town) but if we still have an unlocked thread in a few hours you might see real content from me i guess

hi everyone who knows me! nice to see you all again <3

almost im a cat on this account though so

and dw i only seize toothbrushes from scum

[Katyusha]

worth pointing out the cy wagon and the elmo wagon have basically the same composition and more than likely this is a red flip so gtmh we lynch there tomorrow

should actually read cy's iso though

[Katyusha]

@MOMOMAN it'd be really swell if you posted flips somewhere in the first page because i didnt even know a serial killer died yet

[Katyusha]

Player List

northsidegal

- town cop

Assemblerotws

- vt
davesaz

Elmo TeH AzN

- some flavor of mafia probably, literally no town reason to selfhammer without further comment here etc
Chip Butty - replaced by OhGodMyLife

havingfitz

- serial killer

Schism

- replaced by katyusha
Sleepless Assassin
CheekyTeeky
Jodaxq

xXTonereaderXx

- vt
cytheflyguy

Almost Chara

- ic

for my reference

[Katyusha]

I am not a one shot anything (and I agree we should all do the one shot or not claim)

can someone sparknotes why this is a mechanically sound play btw because i dont really see the utility in claiming

[Katyusha]

ok half adding this but

cheeky ogml and dave are townreads

SA is prob town but only saying that bc of wagonnomics — haven’t read yet

Jodaxq I haven’t read yet (thx autocorrect for nailing that down when I typed “joda” btw)

Cy is scummy

will probably not half ass this tomorrow but this is where I’m at from reading the last two pages and skimming cy’s Iso in case thread is locked now

will gladly explain anything that needs it

toodles for now

[Katyusha]

Ftr I think fitz killed tone, in switch Mafia he nearly policy vigged n_m n0 so I think he’d do something similar here without a town wincon

Cy’s argument that it’s a scum kill doesn’t make an iota of sense

[Katyusha]

I wanna hammer owo

[Katyusha]

Town do self-hammer out of frustration too

Right but they don’t go completely silent afterwards and usually say something when that’s the case

And I initially thought that mono had the count wrong considering he didn’t instantly end the day with the hammer and there was a page top. When u gotta shitpost u gotta shitpost

I also don’t really see what the issue of 705 being fluff is - I was expecting an instant day end and when that wasn’t the case I tried to get thoughts out there ASAP in case my slot was killed by a vig or sk

I kind of wish I could put more effort into my game rn but it feels really open and shut to me - you’re obvtown, Elmo won’t self-hammer if ogml is scum, SA being on both the cy and Elmo wagons doesn’t make sense when my slot still exists. Joda’s the only person who doesn’t really have a strong reason to be townread to me

I don’t really mind my slot being lynched if it opens up the Poe pool but I also kind of thought schism was obvtown

[Katyusha]

Okay. It's not me. If I get hammered I think you should go for Sleepless next

Why Sleepless over me?

[Katyusha]

I found this to be sound play because we were potentially a day away from LyLo, and I though it better for any spent 1-shots to claim the day before LyLo rather than risk getting counterclaimed by scum in LyLo. I think there maybe was more to the theory for AC, but that was why I was on board for the partial claim.

I mean I guess that makes sense - I at that point thought for some reason we had another ML but I forgot about the serial killer

I thought about it more though and I still don’t think it’s a good idea- the last letter could be a D which is a full PR and I wouldn’t want to give scum that info - plus it could be a B who wouldn’t act until this night phase anyway and claiming lets scum play around the claim

[Katyusha]

Adding to the above post, I want to explore Cy first. Elmo is an okay lynch for me but it feels too similar to the assemble lynch.

VOTE: CytheFlyGuy

if scum are put in a position where they have to bus they're going to want to get the obvscum partner and the one that isnt a rb

especially if cy was telling the truth that they knew who the vig was

[Katyusha]

so joda - if you're town help me see why SA busses here when he can easily lynch my slot instead of his scum partners

[Katyusha]

But not by scum?

Yes?

There's literally a living IC and my slot is in the lynchpool why would I ever expect to be mafia killed by lolhammering

[Katyusha]

Thats assuming cheeky was going to even post because muh holidays.

wait


did no one notice it took >3 days for momo to look for a replacement

[Katyusha]

oh momo just has really weird prodding rules ok

still kind of peeved though that no one noticed schism siteflaked in early january tho

regardless i really hate 739 so im probably going to actually like... read the game and not isos and act like i have an idea of who's scum (even though cheeky and ogml are extremely obvious town so with 4 town game's poed etc)

[Katyusha]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

change of heart, i dont really like how elmo interacted with joda's self vote and cy seemed unconcerned about defending it so quickly and 739 is yIkEs

[Katyusha]

Since the Hydra wants nothing to do with me since Im such obvious scum, will someone please ask them their thoughts on Assemble and Assassin please? I hate being ignored.

honestly really relatable

im getting flashbacks to some extremely awful games

[Katyusha]

i dont understand why schism is even being scumread in context - i thought it was really obvious in his iso but his frustration with the game (at page 12) doesnt really make any sense from a scum perspective

did i miss something important/not get to it

[Katyusha]

can someone read 746 and tell me with a straight face town wrote it

i dont even know where to begin here

[Katyusha]

you cant extrapolate what scum are intending to do with only a single night kill. nsg could have crumbed (which i think is possible with the hurt tag on my slot), so it's still completely reasonable for me to think that the ic is dying before me

also just because i think this slot is obvious town doesn't mean everyone else does?? it's also really disingenuous to say that everyone's in the lynchpool, the only viable lynches it seems are joda and I from the last two pages. i'm basically at l-1 anyway with you and cheeky voting me and ogml stating intent to

and omgus isnt a bad thing and people have to stop acting like it is. the way you're interacting with my slot is obvscum

[Katyusha]

i'm a she and also why isn't assassin scum

[Katyusha]

i mean that was my initial train of thought but if the plan was to bus in the first place (iirc sleepless was on both cy and elmo) then it really shouldn't matter because he wants to bus anyway

i think ogml is the only person actually cleared from that

for the record despite me scumreading SA's content i still want joda to answer my questions when i felt otherwise

[Katyusha]

ogml doesnt make sense as scum because he gave intent to hammer - elmo would just let him hammer or claim to give him towncred

and with cy, it doesn't matter what read you're pushing in-thread. scum voting for scum is still going to result in a scumflip, so it's still bussing if you're scum and you vote for cy.

the only question i have is what is there to be gained from a scum!sleepless from forcing a scumflip as scum besides "towncred xd" and i need joda to talk to me to answer that

pedit: yeah we know we're in MCCVV?T and the only roles that should claim are 1-shot vigs and cops. rbs and docs have to stay hidden

[Katyusha]

if it's a 1shot vig btw we should just lynch joda and if the game continues, shoot me and then in 3way i'd say lynch assassin but obviously the hammerer should think it through

[Katyusha]

oh wait everyone claimed they didn't have a 1-shot pr already? so we know there's an rb or doc?

i really dont think getting that out there was a good idea if so almost >_>

[Katyusha]

the only advantages i see is confing joda/sleepless as town

scum arent going to fakeclaim because if they get a "guilty" they give us another lynch; if they give us an inno they lock themselves into a 1v1 in a MYLO situation which is also dumb

[Katyusha]

i guess protects arent really that helpful anymore since we're ensured to have conftown in MYLO now either way

would still be nice to have the chance of two though

[Katyusha]

*only advantage

originally listed scum fakeclaiming helping us as one but that's not ever happening

[Katyusha]

We lynch me, go to 4v1 night
You get shot, 3v1 day is mylo
Scum, say SA, claims “i’m the roleblocker and i roleblocked ogml so he’s town”
Doctor or rb ccs and outs SA as scum here (SA is confscum if ogml is the cc)

If SA went for a guilty and no killed, he risks an actual rber from thinking they have a guilty AND give town a mislynch since it’s 4v1 day

So scum will never fakeclaim roleblocker in this specific game

[Katyusha]

Doctor fakeclaim doesn’t really help scum either since they turn a 66% chance of a ml to a 50% chance

[Katyusha]

eh

I would have liked the doc to stay hidden if there is one but yeah after thinking it over it’s probably safer this way

I’m a vt

[Katyusha]

If fitz was aiming for scum wouldn’t he shoot joda or tone

if I’m understanding Dave correctly he has doubts about fitz after assmbler’s flip

maf => nsg
sk => tone
vig => fitz

makes the most sense to me

[Katyusha]

oh nvm I misread what you said about fitz

I think he could still shoot tone though because he might not have been honest w his reads and the argument where MOMOMAN confirmed tone as town by accident made sense

Pedit: yeah just realized

[Katyusha]

Unless your argument is he’s trying to not connect himself to the kill

[Katyusha]

Man tone was an awful vig even if you found them annoying

[Katyusha]

Why couldn't the counter claim come from scum?

it could but it's an equally bad play unless AC is alive or the other two townies are literally unlynchable

@Joda: Back then I didn't know dave was the Vig, and I hadn't ISO'd him to see whom he shot. I'm now updating upon new info.

I don't care whether fitz SR'd Tone or just disliked him. fitz simply doesn't shoot his explicit "dislikes" as SK. He may do it as Vig, but not as SK. As SK he would shoot from his unsure/suspect pool.

I'll only admit I'm wrong here if you can confirm to me Mafia didn't shoot fitz.

What about if I flip town? It seems like your conclusion is that Mafia shot Fitz so therefore I am mafia. If I'm not mafia, does that change your opinion? If it doesn't, then why is this argument even relevant?

Also, if I'm mafia, why would I shoot the person who I explicitly scum read the hardest and who had the second biggest wagon on D1? That seems stranger to me than Fitz shooting someone he disliked or thought was anti-town.

hey joda how about instead of trying to articulate it like that why dont you explain why sleepless is scum

like i think that's important to consider still but

[Katyusha]

HURT: schism

so why are people actually scumreading schism? i'm not sure i understand the reasons.

i'd also like to restate at this point that fitz is scum. his confidence in his jodax vote reads as completely fake, and the awkwardness in response of 141 along with the strange "opinion" argument makes me pretty confident in this.
VOTE: havingfitz

fwiw it's worth i dont actually think the intention of the hurt tag was a crumb considering these two posts in sequence

also scum have a roleblocker, if the point was to silence nsg's investigation so it's not damning my slot they'd want to roleblock it. if nsg was killed for being a pr it probably wasnt because she was getting a guilty, she probably had scum in her scumreads

Also I thought other people claimed already and that my slot was the only unclaimed one?

[Katyusha]

ok so if sleepless is the doc and there's no cc it's just joda

[Katyusha]

UNVOTE: Sleepless Assassin

I think I'm still on him

sleepless what towncred am i gaining from shitposting btw

i'm looking over omgl's case on for joda right now and some of the points are thoughts i had when i thought it was SA over joda so it's kind of annoying to reevaluate for a third time

pedit: i mean i would claim vt as scum here personally yes

[Katyusha]

poe says it's joda but like i actually cant really disagree with ogml's case

sorry i genuinely want to be useful here and i'd probably be more clearly town if we lynched cy instead of vigged him but still

[Katyusha]

at this rate i'd be confident self hammering just to flip as often as i've seen that throw games

i'm positive that elmo never self votes here if ogml is scum and cheeky is literally one of the most obvious town i've played with thus far

sleepless being the doc means it's just joda

[Katyusha]

VOTE: joda

dont have anything else to add, if i'm l-1 i will probably self once everyone says theyre fine ending the day

[Katyusha]

Cy made some townie posts early and has only made really empty posts since. The holidays and stuff have certainly screwed with this game, but I'll be interested to see if he posts with actual content today.

Don't think Elmo's post really means anything. I had the same thought when I got the PM.

I didn't notice before that Dave voted for ToneReader early just as a way to show disapproval of the gimmick and then never moved his vote. That's certainly interesting. Why did you choose to avoid both wagons, Dave? Why did you not move your vote off of Tone?

If we're looking at the Assemble wagon then I think Sleepless and Chip are the ones to look at first. In my experience hammers like that usually come from town.

this trajectory kind of feels like it makes sense coming from a partner actually - it stood out at least while i was giving joda's iso a last look

413/414 are both giving flipped scum botd - especially considering with elmo there was more to cheeky's vote at the time than just the tmi slip. obviously town can do this too, but considering that her next posts are shifting attention away from scum it seems intended more to put pressure on town

also the more i think about it the more i think cy and elmo reacting to joda's self vote differently can just be attributed to them wanting to react naturally or deliberately choosing to go in separate ways

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Since I thought twilight was imminent I posted this and left since I expected to get vigged and then i’d be able to brag about having a 1 post iso that’s a lolhammer

When that didn’t work out I looked into posting content but I was expecting the night to start at some point

[Katyusha]

Let me see if I'm following you here. I said it didn't seem like that post came from a town mindset and your defense is you were shit posting to troll the game or...? I'm confused.

the post shouldnt be seen as AI because i obviously would not get towncred for putting someone 1 vote beyond hammering

at this rate i'd be confident self hammering just to flip as often as i've seen that throw games

What are you even saying here?

i've lost games due to townies self voting/hammering at this stage and have watched other games were it basically cost the game but i really dont see any other possibility where ogml or cheeky are scum

[Katyusha]

Why is everyone so sure Cheeky is town? I don't like Katyusha's reason

What reason have i gave again?

I think i've just called her obvtown.

[Katyusha]

That's not a reason that's just a statement that it seems obvious to me.

[Katyusha]

ie i will try to explain now

[Katyusha]

So any reasons behind this vote aside to just sheep?
Going to FOS someone then vote someone else just because of something I said?
Bravo. *golf clap*

You failed.

1. It wasn't a sheep. You can see in the order of my posts that first I voted you for your very scummy post, then noticed someone vote you with pretty agenda driven reasoning. So in my mind I was voting you for the post I quoted as the original wagon starter. Your blatant misrep here is laughable *golf laugh*

2. It was a reaction test based on my suspicion that the quote I voted you for spewed TMI. How do you know who the vig shot?


I'm happy where my vote is based on your (snarky) reaction.

good pressure on elmo, elmo's reaction doesnt really make sense for a planned scumread if they talked it over in the pt beforehand because it just makes her look worse

I didn't notice before that Dave voted for ToneReader early just as a way to show disapproval of the gimmick and then never moved his vote. That's certainly interesting. Why did you choose to avoid both wagons, Dave? Why did you not move your vote off of Tone?

...check out his ISO. Tell me if you can figure out his reads. This guy has been cruising the whole game, waffling and making points about nothing important/AI. When he did decide to look into people's ISOs he chose the two shortest to analyze. If this isn't scum positioning/fencesitting I don't know what is...

@Dave: readslist please bruh.

Actually I'm more sure of this than EtA right now. VOTE: Davesaz

@Dave: readslist please bruh.

I got nothing.

If anyone tells me this is a townie reaction I'm going to use the force to shrivel their brain further.

Pedit I agree.

If you think a little, that can

only

be a townie reaction.
Hint: what alignment makes shit up? What alignment is best served with the truth?

*uses the force on dave*

What alignment doesn't give a shit about trying to sort players?

UNVOTE: Jodaxq

Just in case...O_o

Pedit I don't understand your waffle about why you're voting your weak scum read instead of your medium scum read...

One person's waffle is another person's accuracy. I value giving town things to work with if I'm dead. It's another aspect of what I told A50 -- the best way to play town is not to throw a bunch of excrement and read people off how they react to it. The best way is to say only things that you actually mean. Although sometimes the right place for a vote is not the strongest read, for any number of possible reasons.

You might think this gets me scumread a lot, and it does. People do not expect honesty from town, and they go bananas when they see it.

Spoiler: look inside if you want the "math"

It's an intel thing -- you multiply the amount of information by the reliability to get a strength. It isn't actually "numbers" but that's the best way to explain it.
I see a large quantity of stuff in Schism (say 5 for example). I am not highly confident that what I'm seeing is AI (say 1 for example). I multiply number of things by confidence. Rating=5
I see a much smaller quantity of stuff in Elmo (perhaps only 1), but am more confident that it is AI (strength 3). Multiplying gives a rating of 3.

I like this post. I get what you mean now. I don't agree that there is a single "best way" to play town though. I play off reactions, and I'm honest about what I'm doing. It may not look super-town to those unfamiliar with me but it's pretty obvious that those kinds of play are not coming from scum in hindsight.

really like the trajectory on dave, the push felt off-the-cuff and strong in a good way - plus she came around on him at a time where it doesn't really help a scum agenda

at least these were the two biggest points i saw

[Katyusha]

i dont feel familiar enough with the gamestate to like towncase her

[Katyusha]

ie i will try to explain now

j o o o o o o o o o o o o da you say that like i dont know that

[Katyusha]

joda, who's more likely to you then? ogml or cheeky?

i dont feel familiar enough with the gamestate to like towncase her

And yet you say she's the most obvious town read you've ever had? My god this is awful

VOTE: Katyusha

yikes?

i pointed out some quotes that felt really town to me and said why but thanks for the vote i guess

[Katyusha]

by "towncase" i mean explain her entire iso or write like a paragraph

[Katyusha]

joda if you're scum i just want you to know that i kind of figured you're voting me over cheeky/ogml because i said i'd self so

[Katyusha]

by "towncase" i mean explain her entire iso or write like a paragraph

why is the gamestate the reason for not doing this?
~Chara

because i was a replacement and i just kind of feel disconnected with the game's events besides what ive directly seen and a few bits and pieces that were strong to me

joda if you're scum i just want you to know that i kind of figured you're voting me over cheeky/ogml because i said i'd self so

Also this is pretty AtE

no it's not?

[Katyusha]

is cheeky scummier than ogml or ogml townier

serious question because from your pov i dont know if it's just "elmo wouldnt self vote with ogml as her partner" or if cheeky actually did something scummy or

pedit: i'm saying that i found your play really predictable, i'm not getting you to change your mind or even interacting with anyone's emotions? the sad face is kind of snarky

pedit: yes

[Katyusha]

So you picked up

bits and pieces that were strong

to you but yet she is "

literally one of the most obvious town [you've] played with thus far

"?

these clearly do not contradict and also clearly go hand in hand?

[Katyusha]

gotcha

was asking because if i missed something about cheeky then i would have liked to know what

[Katyusha]

tbh in a lylo situation where ogml and cheeky crossed i'd probably pick cheeky anyway?

i recognize this is contradictory but i dont really see why elmo would self hammer - i barely am reading ogml off of his posts and most of my read is centered around that one action but it is what it is. cheeky being townie can be good scumplay

pedit: the small bits and pieces.... that are strong.... are what.... made her very obvious town to me.....

joda..................... you're better than this...............................

i know i'm far from my best this game and am kind of coasting but like i dont really know what else to do given my position as a widely scumread slot

[Katyusha]

for the record i dont think nsg using hurt tags and getting nk'd is really a good reason to scumread this slot but im sort of in an informed position here

pedit: i gave more that game because i was more intune with the game's events having played most of it live - i can try to shit out more i guess but it's hard to articulate a read that just really seems to speak for itself here besides "good trajectory on dave, pressure on elmo wasnt scum motivated"

tbh in a lylo situation where ogml and cheeky crossed i'd probably pick cheeky anyway?

Of course you would because I would scumread the shizz out of you and OGML would likely want to vote me. Are you trying to set up this LYLO scenario?

the assumption is that you townread me and voted ogml it's obviously not a realistic scenario

[Katyusha]

the point about the hurt tags? no i know exactly why that's a thing it's just very easy to get wrong

[Katyusha]

if you mean my cheeky read i dont know what im supposed to say i guess

[Katyusha]

i was in a position where i was highly likely vigged and elmo was literally double hammered

[Katyusha]

Because my slot was widely scumread as well?

[Katyusha]

Because my slot was widely scumread as well?

Your slot had hard pocketed the IC, the IC is still hard defending you. I was the only person pushing for your lynch day 2 others said they could see it but clearly stated they had stronger reads in cy elmo.

which is exactly why a vig would want to shoot my slot over the slot everyone has pegged

[Katyusha]

would it help if i told you that was something i do frequently as both alignments?

i literally have a template on my home computer

[Katyusha]

Which is why I’m fine selfing after discussion

Also cheeky we’re in mylo, ogml can’t be lynched because that would require me to be on that wagon or hammertested

Ogml/cheeky/Kat/ac mylo leads to me being lynched more than likely

[Katyusha]

You do, but you don't always use the "scum claim" line or do it in your first post in the game. I'm honestly more concerned with PoE, associatives, Schism's play, and your play today anyway.

She

Selfhammered

Ofc it’s a scumclaim lmao

Not sure what’s wrong with my play today but the rest is understandable

[Katyusha]

Not voting yet, I'm still not really sold here because I don't see why Elmo self-hammers when OGML gives intent but I'll try to look over the game without my initial bias there.

[Katyusha]

By that logic, this would be a scum claim too:

VOTE: joda

dont have anything else to add, if i'm l-1 i will probably self once everyone says theyre fine ending the day

and, no, elmo's self-hammer was a scumclaim because she did it obviously to stop and prevent the facilitation of discussion

If I were to do it it's because I don't want the townies tunneling on me to feel like me making it to lylo will mean fighting with AC to lynch me when they're reading me correctly - it's easier to just force myself to be confirmed town once I feel my piece has been said entirely

[Katyusha]

What's the argument in 474? He's just acknowledging that davesaz is making some effort in scumhunting in connecting the kill to my slot, I don't necessarily see him agreeing or disagreeing?

[Katyusha]

and, no, elmo's self-hammer was a scumclaim because she did it obviously to stop and prevent the facilitation of discussion

If I were to do it it's because I don't want the townies tunneling on me to feel like me making it to lylo will mean fighting with AC to lynch me when they're reading me correctly - it's easier to just force myself to be confirmed town once I feel my piece has been said entirely

to elaborate

there're a difference between "VOTE: ELMO fuck you guys this is a shitty wagon" (which isnt a scumclaim), "VOTE: ELMO i'd rather be lynched than hit deadline" (which isnt a scumclaim), "VOTE: ELMO my final reads are X Y and Z sorry guys i dont feel like fighting this lynch" (which isnt a scumclaim), and "VOTE: ELMO" and then disappearing (which is a scumclaim)

i think you're focusing too much on the fact i called the self-hammer a scumclaim and looking at the self-hammer part when it's really the intent and aftermath that made it so

[Katyusha]

to be fair my predecessor scumread chip and i should probably be giving that some degree of credibilty

[Katyusha]

UNVOTE:

Flipping a coin and having it come up as odds doesn't add up though. Then again Im putting too much into it

Elmo, yeah, I just wanna take a step back while we work out exactly what Jodaxq is claiming she did. If it still doesn't sound kosher after that, I'll probably revote.

Okay, my self-imposed 2 hour limit is approaching, and I'm not gonna dig up a serious suspect in the next 15 minutes.

VOTE: Assemble

I think his posts and activity level are NAI, but he is antitown.

wtf is this vote on page 15 lol

[Katyusha]

oops ignore the multiquote, was pointing out that was an interaction between chip/elmo from D1 but it's hardly anything to justify taking interest in so i didnt bother commenting on it

[Katyusha]

oh it's just a deadline lynch

still kind of shitty though but not incriminating

[Katyusha]

Votecount 1.9 #EndofD1

Finally, D1 has ended. By tomorrow, at least one of you will be gone. That's nice because some of you were getting on my nervves. (JKish)

Votes

Assemblerotws (5) tone, almost chara, schism, Sleepless Assasin​, Chip Butty, havingfitz, Elmo TeH AzN

LYNCH

havingfitz: (4) --- northsidegal, cytheflyguy, jod, Voyc
xXTonereaderXx: (1) --- davesaz

​Not voting: Assemblerotws​

i do find this votecount interesting since the implication here fmpov if ogml is scum is that scum basically were lining up to jump onto the easy lurker deadline lynch since cy made a really shitty post (that schism also called out lol) about how he wanted to vote there but didnt

this does make me a bit more inclined to think it's not joda too since i can't see why scum would want to avoid such an easy lynch - maybe to make the next lynch easier but nsg dying (fitz wasn't scumkilled, he was the cw here and lynchable. tone is obviously not the mafia kill) implies scum are on the wagon (on wagon scum kill off wagon townies more often than not since eventually they'll be POEd as the only unflipped people on the initial mislynch wagon)

plus thats how sleepless initially started pushing elmo

[Katyusha]

So a mafia kill on Tone out of fear looks unlikely, and I'm leaning towards Fitz killing there to be able to claim vig. A vig killing North would be pretty bad. So the most likely kill assignment is mafia on North, Fitz on Tone, and vig on Fitz. The only other combination that comes close to making sense is Fitz on North, Mafia on Tone, and vig on Fitz, but that requires mafia to kill someone who isn't openly townread by many people -- and it leads us nowhere anyway.

hey guys im pretty sure i was right in saying that fitz was vigged and not tone

[Katyusha]

Ughh if Cheeky is scum then my reads have been pretty bad this game.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

rereading this vote was really weird

joda if you were townreading cheeky why go along with the push against her so easily? i townread her vt claim myself so

[Katyusha]

Cheeky is looking like a VI or scum right now. Who talks about spec aside scum this early though

also more indication that cheeky is just town here lol

[Katyusha]

to be fair my predecessor scumread chip and i should probably be giving that some degree of credibilty

it's hard to vibe with this read though because it was also assuming elmo town and i dont really know how schism would reevaluate with her flip

from my pov though in knowing that he was right about the first four people on the wagon being town my initial assumption would be that scum are at the end of the wagon and i guess thats why people were giving schism flak about their analysis since they implied it was a mostly town wagon? having been in that position ive mistakenly made that call before too

Didn't you say Joda was obv town?

me?? no she's always been my poe read

[Katyusha]

ok half adding this but

cheeky ogml and dave are townreads

SA is prob town but only saying that bc of wagonnomics — haven’t read yet

Jodaxq I haven’t read yet (thx autocorrect for nailing that down when I typed “joda” btw)

Cy is scummy

will probably not half ass this tomorrow but this is where I’m at from reading the last two pages and skimming cy’s Iso in case thread is locked now

will gladly explain anything that needs it

toodles for now

Town do self-hammer out of frustration too

Right but they don’t go completely silent afterwards and usually say something when that’s the case

And I initially thought that mono had the count wrong considering he didn’t instantly end the day with the hammer and there was a page top. When u gotta shitpost u gotta shitpost

I also don’t really see what the issue of 705 being fluff is - I was expecting an instant day end and when that wasn’t the case I tried to get thoughts out there ASAP in case my slot was killed by a vig or sk

I kind of wish I could put more effort into my game rn but it feels really open and shut to me - you’re obvtown, Elmo won’t self-hammer if ogml is scum, SA being on both the cy and Elmo wagons doesn’t make sense when my slot still exists. Joda’s the only person who doesn’t really have a strong reason to be townread to me

I don’t really mind my slot being lynched if it opens up the Poe pool but I also kind of thought schism was obvtown

[Katyusha]

dont have a strong inclination to vote ogml over joda - no one has given me much of an argument though for why elmo self votes after ogml gives intent to hammer if ogml is scum though

[Katyusha]

Intent to hammer

I agree with Elmo/cy scum. Elmo is the only living player I have past experience with. I didn't think she seemed scummy compared to her usual play but her non response to this push on her and lack of interaction with cy is bad.

I am not a one shot anything (and I agree we should all do the one shot or not claim)

I'll be back when I get home to my computer with a real post.

? this looks like a real scumread and given ogml's posting rate (high content posts at a low rate) it makes sense that his trajectory worked out that way

scum!ogml also could have stalled to deadline and just no lynched on elmo and roleblocked dave and is probably more inclined to do that anyway

or lurk the wagon away

ogml doing something

and

elmo self voting in reaction indicates to me that elmo knew she was dying anyway and wanted to end the conversation - but momo being momo meant that we got a forced twilight anyway lol

i would think that if scum ogml did intend to hammer however that elmo would probably fight a bit more and get some last minute distancing in. just rolling over and dying doesnt help scum whatsoever

[Katyusha]

he was anti-joda lynch as well, it makes complete sense to me he'd scumread elmo as town here (as much as it would also make sense for his scum persona to double bus!)

so

[Katyusha]

I think I'm beyond overthinking this now. Gut says Joda and Schism. Logic says OGML.

funny how i feel the opposite in that logically it feels like joda and gutwise it feels like ogml

[Katyusha]

Oh, wow, OK.

Sorry for being dumb everyone ^^;

[Katyusha]

I'll pre-in, but

I won't be playing before the competition ends

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P-edit: Oh, well. Your comment about being disappointed in Tone's flip really mislead me then.

If dave vigged tone, then that means scum killed the counterwagon to a mislynch

It made far more sense for him to just vig fitz here haha

pedit: sorry

[Katyusha]

also............ i dont think ogml was hammered.............................

cheeky/joda/AC is 3 votes when it's 4 to lynch at 6, no?

[Katyusha]

I did! Whoops lmfao

I just assumed I was still tunneled oops

[Katyusha]

annoyed that i got shot night one, though (and it was by fitz, not by the maf, fyi)

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??

fitz was vigged
fitz killed you

... so tone really was the mafia kill all along?? lmfao

[Katyusha]

Release PT's?