Micro 772: Jester Nightless
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DisagreeAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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Mathdino Survivor
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QFTIn post 527, Not_Mafia wrote:Disagree
also i can't believe fucking not_mafia manipulated/trolled his own scumbuddy into a winning position
i was so pissed omg-
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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The best part is: That was his whole plan.In post 529, Mathdino wrote:
QFTIn post 527, Not_Mafia wrote:Disagree
also i can't believe fucking not_mafia manipulated/trolled his own scumbuddy into a winning position
i was so pissed omgThis is a Parachute.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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jay in truth you were really just biased by having played with me before, and not having seen my scumgame
you trust me, basically
now you know
Edit: trudat
but i'm still counting it as one because 4v1 nightless is a legit setup
shut up and vote uses that setup-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Mathdino Survivor
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i probably would've scumread myself a few times back there, i in no way think i was playing my towngame
kinda just coasted for a while, figured it was already a surefire loss
but the quicklynches were amazing and suddenly jester's dead and i can start actually playing for a serious win
Edit: true but we did have associations to work with
associations that you correctly picked up on-
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Not_Mafia Smash Hit
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At some point you have to graduate from merely trolling your enemiesIn post 529, Mathdino wrote:
QFTIn post 527, Not_Mafia wrote:Disagree
also i can't believe fucking not_mafia manipulated/trolled his own scumbuddy into a winning position
i was so pissed omgAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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Mathdino Survivor
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yeah first game being scum is definitely a blow to anyone's playstyle
my advice is to just read up on getting better at scumhunting
you definitely have that potential but you also have an overwhelming bias toward OMGUS and trusting the players who act townish by default
my scumtell this game was that i was significantly more concerned with who was jester than who was scum-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Jay, you have one half of townplay down very well (appearing town). The other half you are lacking and it's creating the patterns you described.
The solution is probably to make sure your confidence in your reads is proportional to how accurate you believe they are. In this case you claimed Math had a 1% chance of being scum and you repeatedly ignored me asking why and then hammered me out of impatience when I was waiting on YOU.
Even despite that, if you had recognized that my reads were likely to be better than yours you still would have won.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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personally i was afraid ethos would come back and obvtown all over the place
i needed him lynched before he did
his entire play today was obvtown, he just shouldn't have self-voted because MS.net hates that-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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Also being honest here, but I'm less influenced by my role then I am the players in that game. When I tried to play by my alignment, I lost because appearantly
Sheep: Too humiliting to lose to scum!Jay. No strat needed, I'mma ignore your points.
Never playing by alignment again. Always going to go out my way to doubt Sheep and call him out on his shit in our future games. Hoping to all hell NotMaf is town in our next game so I can atleast see that in action for once. Making sure to atleast also doubt Dino in encounters but he already said that. Acknowledging that if Assemble is in a game, it's basically an inactive slot/future replacement.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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i agree that your playstyle differs wildly based on the playerlist
you're actually pretty easy to read for other reasons, it's not hard to figure out your motivation i think
even if you don't intend to have your wincon on your mind all the time, just reading it changes things-
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Mathdino Survivor
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you also correctly caught my lie in terms of when i'd be willing to replace out of a gameIn post 469, JaydragonKing wrote:It's also called strategy. But if I saw that, I immediately would have hung Dino's spot before he could replace, and then we'd focus on NotMaf afterwards.
Dino does commitments, that much I know.
1. Multiball game: I replaced out because someone replaced into the game specifically to troll me, then LITERALLY SAID THAT'S WHAT HE WAS DOING, then started personally attacking me, then altslipped as a main account that was also a confirmed troll. Mod refused to replace him, so I replaced out.
2. Discord game: Casual server. Scumpartner admitted that he would rather have his girlfriend (town) win than have to play with me (he didn't like me), so he claimed a cop guilty on me and got counterclaimed. I ended it because the players agreed that if he was gamethrowing, they'd rather restart.
Would never replace out just because I don't like my scumpartner. N_M was good.-
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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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Your problem was probably-In post 542, Something_Smart wrote:My first game was a scum win too, and I started with several very serious flaws in my town playstyle that took over a year to fix. Probably a coincidence but Jay I definitely identify with the TYPE of crisis you're going through, though mine was rather the opposite (I got mislynched all the time).
High Intelligence, Moderate Wisdom, Low Charisma, Low Luck
My problem is -
Morderate-High Intelligence, Low Wisdom, High Charisma, Moderate Luck.
Already someone on site said I got personality down. That's kinda how I avoid getting lynched normally.-
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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I'd actually suggest spectating a couple of games you don't play in in real time. Watching other people suck at scumhunting (and trust me, it's pretty much everyone) will vastly help you. The other option is to pursue a teaching hydra, but all of the players I'd suggest for that purpose either don't play anymore or are usually too busy.In post 538, Mathdino wrote:my advice is to just read up on getting better at scumhunting
Don't worry too much about tailoring your play to the players around you. As you start building an idea of meta, that'll come naturally. Just play games and the skill will come with time.This is a Parachute.-
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You hit the nail right on the head with this one.In post 547, JaydragonKing wrote:Low Charisma-
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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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"Don't worry too much about tailoring your play to the players around you. As you start building an idea of meta, that'll come naturally. Just play games and the skill will come with time."
Ahh, you misunderstand. My response legit changes depending on who asks me something. I don't tailor on purpose.-
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Aristophanes He/HimMr. Blue SkyHe/Him
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How am I the worst jester yet I get lynched all the time otherwise!?!?
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