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[Hawk]

Hey yo. Wassup guys!

[Hawk]

WAKE ME UP. WAKE ME UP INSIDE!

save me...

[Hawk]

It must suck for scum that we already know creature is town

Is this something you would say as scum? Be honest.

Yes

Hmmmm Idk what to think of this interaction :/

[Hawk]

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I actually agree with this I think.

VOTE: Yankee

Why did you switch votes to Smpcaine? why not Mulch?

Pedit: I think the readlist was meta listing maybe from Mulch PoV? Not sure if it was AI.

[Hawk]

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I actually agree with this I think.

VOTE: Yankee

Why did you switch votes to Smpcaine? why not Mulch?

Pedit: I think the readlist was meta listing maybe from Mulch PoV? Not sure if it was AI.

You're pulling the same shit as Gamma. What are you agreeing with? Why are you speaking for Mulch? Why would I vote Mulch?

I agree with the vote against you. Your vote looked odd in progression.

I'm not speaking for Mulch I'm offering my thoughts on the readlist. Mulch seemed of the two more scummy in that interaction and I would have voted Mulch before Smocaine. You also provided no reasoning so I found it more odd than Mulch.

Onto why I thought Mulch was more odd. He mentioned knowing Creature is town in an affirmative manner. Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

[Hawk]

Are you suggesting we lynch Gamma Emerald? He is the only one aside from you to have posted so far without being voted.

If he's not suggesting it, then I am.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

So again I have to ask

Where was the reason given for the vote?

Uhhh you're asking for the reason given for your own vote???

[Hawk]

I'm equally sure of Creature!scum if that will help you Hawk.

CREATURE!TOWN WHOOPS

This feels like a forces townslip...

But I thought creatures intro looked kinda towny soooo... Meta only it looked like town!creature.

[Hawk]

I'm equally sure of Creature!scum if that will help you Hawk.

CREATURE!TOWN WHOOPS

This feels like a

forced

townslip...

But I thought creatures intro looked kinda towny soooo... Meta only it looked like town!creature.

EBWOP

[Hawk]

You just made a spoof in your post calling my spoof forved my guy, cmon

I did that unintentionally... also mine was typo not scum instead of town...

[Hawk]

Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

So why is it scummy and why are you assuming it's the former and not the latter?

I didn't assume either way or I would have voted you. I said I didn't know what to make of the interaction. Also you were scum in our last game so probably some kind of cautious bias.

[Hawk]

Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

So why is it scummy and why are you assuming it's the former and not the latter?

Because you just said that creature is towny through meta and your scumreading me for saying the same thing

VOTE: HAWK

WAGON AHOY

*Head smack* learn to read. I was saying that if I was Yankee and going to vote one of the two of you I would have voted you. Not that I scum!read you it's still to early for me to see any motivation behind your actions -_-;

[Hawk]

Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

So why is it scummy and why are you assuming it's the former and not the latter?

Because you just said that creature is towny through meta and your scumreading me for saying the same thing

VOTE: HAWK

WAGON AHOY

*Head smack* learn to read. I was saying that if I was Yankee and going to vote one of the two of you I would have voted you. Not that I scum!read you it's still to early for me to see any motivation behind your actions -_-;

Learn to communicate. I got the same message Mulch did.

So you don't know how to read either Gamma??

If I thought Mulch was scum don't you think I would have voted him instead of posting 50

[Hawk]

Explain what you meant with that line then.

I was uncertain what to make of that interaction because my initial reaction was what I stated. Mulch seemed scummier for his first comment but I've played exactly one game with Mulch. He was scum there. Probably a bit if bias with my previous interaction so I wasn't making any kind of vote. But wanted to voice my uncertainty about what was going on with this interaction.

Is there anything else??

Yankee didnt answer the question on why he thought the Smocaine was scummy over Mulch btw instead pushed questions at me which I answered.

[Hawk]

So you're uncertain of what to think of Mulch because of his way of talking about Creature?

I was uncertain if what to think about Mulch because that statement felt one way or the other but I haven't played with mulch to know if it was AI or if what Smocaine was AI. so yeah basically.

[Hawk]

Explain what you meant with that line then.

I was uncertain what to make of that interaction because my initial reaction was what I stated. Mulch seemed scummier for his first comment but I've played exactly one game with Mulch. He was scum there. Probably a bit if bias with my previous interaction so I wasn't making any kind of vote. But wanted to voice my uncertainty about what was going on with this interaction.

Is there anything else??

Yankee didnt answer the question on why he thought the Smocaine was scummy over Mulch btw instead pushed questions at me which I answered.

No, I didn't answer.

And once again, you're straw-manning me with

your own assessment

of it being between Smocaine/Mulch. I didn't even consider Mulch an entity at that point.

Hawk, what do you think about Smocaine.

Null read on Smocaine. You swapped votes right after the interaction involving the two of them, no quotes of anything. I made an assumption.

Care to give a reason you're voting smocaine?

[Hawk]

Mulch just got to it faster than me honestly. You still haven't given reason for switching your vote..

[Hawk]

Also I won't play mad libs with this because at this point I'm going to bed.

I really don't care to do shit like this because it's unproductive for town. All it does is make you seem scummy to me because you would rather act and have people interpret your actions rather than explain your reasonings.

[Hawk]

So I'm really bad at this game and feel like I probably ruined d1 for town.

I'm Miller.

My bad that I waited till 200 posts to claim. I've never played with this role but doing research I think this is what I probably should have done yesterday.

[Hawk]

Hawk needs to be lynched. You don't claim miller after you're being wagoned.

Yeah I realized that this morning. Better to just get it out of the way. I mean if I got to a close lynch and then claimed it wouldn't have helped.

Sorry guys shoulda just claimed from the start.

[Hawk]

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

[Hawk]

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

But I'm not scum.

[Hawk]

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

Onto why I thought Mulch was more odd. He mentioned knowing Creature is town in an affirmative manner. Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

This is the scummiest thing i’ve ever read

Hawk, can you bother explaining why you thought Mulch was "more odd" but didn't bother to pursue it any further?

You give three options:

1. Scum who know Creature is town
2. Town who think Creature is town and looking for affirmation from other town.
3. Town confident of his read and stating it as fact.


there's zero attempt to sort Mulch here. Just a blanket statement that it's "odd" but then you don't pursue it or vote it or anything

Because I wasn't pursuing that either way, and didn't have a confident read. I didn't press Smocaine or Mulch. I pressed Yankee for pressing Smocaine cause I thought he was taking a side in that exchange.

[Hawk]

then why bring it up if you don't plan on following up on it

do you not care to resolve anyones alignment?

I brought it up because it would have been my stance gun to my head if I was voting one of the two of them. I was responding to Yankee and wanting information from him since his votes had been naked and when approached he deflected. So I clearly laid out my thought process and even threw in some more as to why I thought Mulch was more odd than Smocaine. Smocaine question felt very NAI but Mulches statement seemed more indicative and so I gave reasons why for both alignments. I didn't indicate I felt strongly about one reason or another just that I thought he was more odd of the two. Or at least that was I was trying to say.

[Hawk]

Also dont throw loaded questions at me Frog that's scummy as fuck.

[Hawk]

Also dont throw loaded questions at me Frog that's scummy as fuck.

like seriously you need to check yourself. You're not better than anyone here, so stop acting like it.

You've restored already several times this game to these attacks where you tell people they can't read or you curse at them.

Get over yourself. You're completely unpleasant to play this game with.

I'm sorry? I'm not intending for my mannerisms to be unpleasant for you to deal with.

When I say scummy as fuck I mean that's extremely scummy not "fuck you." And when I tell people to learn to read I mean "you're not understanding what I was saying read it again"

If you find me abrasive or unpleasant please let me know. I don't mean to be rude, I'm just rather blunt and use explictives. Also I'm clearly not better than anyone considering I didn't claim p1 as Miller -_-;;

But you agree that was a loaded question?

[Hawk]

You should still be voting me if you find me scummy as fuck

Did I call you scummy? I called asking loaded questions scummy. I haven't sorted you yet. I appreciate your effort to sort me but not your methods.

I wasn't pursuing the Mulch Smocaine interaction because attempting to sort that would have required a meta dive on Mulch and I'm to lazy/it was 11 at night yesterday when I posted that.

[Hawk]

Actually wait. Why are you even bothering Frog? I claimed Miller attempting to sort me at this point just seems kinda crazy as town.

If I'm scum taking a gambit then the only way you're certain is I get lynched. Scum know my claims true and won't NK me to hold a mislynch for later. Cops shouldn't waste their time checking me.

Your only recourse as town should be lynch me ignore what I'm saying it's Wifom without a flip.

If you believe my claim then I'm not sure what use I am to town. I really don't like this role on closer inspection.

[Hawk]

I really don't get how the role is that useful :/. It feels like a lot of blind faith is put into believing a claim early or just being a mislynch later.

Why are you voting Gamma?

[Hawk]

Why Smocaine Yankee? are you throwing them together as a pair?

Pedit: okay I think you answered my question.

[Hawk]

Mason you??

[Hawk]

I don't know what that means. I feel like a newb...

If you mean like townbloc no lynch here uhhh maybe... you're still pretty null for me Mulch.

[Hawk]

I'm sure he's been in a Miller game before.

I've been in 3 open games on this site counting this one. The game we just finished with Mulch and A game with Frogger where Alisae claimed a fake red check on Frog. That was my first game. Check my account.

[Hawk]

Jesus y'all post fast... like none of page 12 of was there when I was writing that... Also I'm not getting previews on mobile for some reason.

I respect transcends decision to want to lynch me till one of us die. Makes sense imo fwiw

[Hawk]

The way he is handling hawk isn't scum.

Imo I'm inclined to agree but I'm starting to see why the wiki says I should claim almost first thing day 1... kinda like a soft innocent child but only on good faith.

I TR transcend and TIAM for that.

Is there another reason I should Scumread TIAM frog? I feel like you're playing a lot like bringer 2 from what I can recall so you're pretty town in my eyes.

Pedit: sure if y'all think the flip will help town more

VOTE: Hawk get this outta the way.

[Hawk]

I mean I can try.

Right now I have

Townleans: Frog, Trans, TIAM, and Smocaine to an extent.

Null: Creature, Mulch, Gamma, and Leaf

Everyone else is scum by PoE and I was voting Yankee.

[Hawk]

You know you're not supposed to fake claim as town right?

This one
It looks like you're just trying to say something for the sake of saying it

He's had a few posts iirc like that why chime in on this one and not the others??

[Hawk]

UNVOTE:
Not taking a risk here

This was rather defensive early on. Like is it that bad that Yankee got to 4 votes early on in the day? scum wouldn't quick hammer and risk implicating themselves as most people wouldn't so it's not that risky to run someone up to L-2 ish.

Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

So why is it scummy and why are you assuming it's the former and not the latter?

Because you just said that creature is towny through meta and your scumreading me for saying the same thing

VOTE: HAWK

WAGON AHOY

*Head smack* learn to read. I was saying that if I was Yankee and going to vote one of the two of you I would have voted you. Not that I scum!read you it's still to early for me to see any motivation behind your actions -_-;

Learn to communicate. I got the same message Mulch did.

Did you need to say this? I realize now that you didn't really need to say this but probably took offense to how I responded.

ok actually gamma you're sounding a bit too cautious dude

pull up a chair, sit down, and tell me the mafia (:

I don't get how that's being cautious but alright
I'm suspecting YankeeReaper somewhat for not having answered why he voted Smocaine, and I feel like there's some credit to the idea of Hawk!scum
VOTE: YankeeReaper
I'm gonna vote this again since I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise, in fact the situation got worse if anything, plus the wagon shrank so I'm okay going back for now

You seemed rather in support of my lynch but wouldn't put a vote on me instead returning to your Yankee wagon where my vote had been parked...

I agree on that post being terrible, it's so posturey
VOTE: 2IAM

This feels like an empty reason to vote.

Frog I'm not serious about SR all the others. Next time I'll be sure to put /SARCASM for things like that Sorry.

Pedit: you're gonna get a guilty...

[Hawk]

Wait. Vanilla cop? Nvm I don't know how roles fucking work lol

[Hawk]

Sorry you will get a not-guilty

[Hawk]

I said you'd get a guilty cause that's what my role says. I come up guilty on investigations. Wasn't thinking about when you said Vanilla Cop.

[Hawk]

Iite hawk you have until i get Off of work to make me not want to lynch you

That's in about 8.5 hours time
I'm
Dazzle me.

You got it. Tho I expect to be lynched at this point.

[Hawk]

Imma just keep ISOing my null to scum reads.

Would help if the other players posted more.

[Hawk]

Also I won't play mad libs with this because at this point I'm going to bed.

I really don't care to do shit like this because it's unproductive for town. All it does is make you seem scummy to me because you would rather act and have people interpret your actions rather than explain your reasonings.

Why is it unproductive for town? I tend to think there’s a lot of productive things that come out of 1v1’s of the like, especially seeing what sides people take on everything, and who pushes behind the scenes.

I feel like this was unproductive because posturing questions like he did and refusing to give answers puts the burden of proof on the accuser not on the accusee. I say his vote was scummy because it has no reasoning so I ask for him to explain. He deflects and is like idk why don't you tell me my reasoning. Which just puts him in a position of, if I give town sounding reasoning he's like yes affirmative. and if I give scummy reasoning he's just like lol you're wrong.

It's scummy behavior. It consistently puts the ball in your court to deny allegations and only support other people's views of yourself if they are positive rather than be accountable for actions.

Will continue with Leaf just saw this and decided to respond since I missed this particular question.

[Hawk]

I think he's trying to hint that he doesn't believe scum has daychat? Idk I'm not familiar with all open role possibles.

[Hawk]

ouch being called a poor player stings a bit. But I'm definitely not playing well here.

[Hawk]

eh fuck it

@Mod

Vanilla Cop: Hawk

I seriously just hope we have a cop

You saying that was a reaction test??

[Hawk]

Transcend purposefully lying (possibly as town) and then asking people not to meta him seems disingenuine.

I kinda see this.

Chara and James feel bad to me... they spent about 6 posts now discussing a Wifom on weather or not they can confirm me or Frogger or both of us based off results. Particularly ignoring the facts and creating a weird Narrative.

Fact:
If Frogger reports back I am not Vanilla and at that point Wifom I am Miller or scum PR.

If Frogger is lying about being Vanilla Cop then his report back means nothing until I'm dead.

Motivation wise I don't know if Frogger is one to make gambits as scum but I don't believe he would do this as scum unless he truly believes it will "confirm" him as town. If he is scum Vanilla cop he knows the result will be Not Vanilla, will report it as not Vanilla, and we can only believe his claim on good faith that it lines up with his alignment and doesn't get checked by a real cop in the future.

Am I missing anything? If so please enlighten me. I don't see how you guys can reasonably confirm anything from Frogs results here and talking about it in the way you are feels like you're trying to push an agenda or idea forward to idk what gain yet.

Pedit: and people were mad at me for saying fuck a few times :eyeroll:

[Hawk]

If anyone gets upset by cursing, they need to not play this game.

This game brings out the worst in people.

True facts. Trans what do you think of chara and James?

Also weather you lynch me today or not I will flip Miller so go ahead and just take that into account if you need to dissect the Frogger Vanilla Cop on me points.

[Hawk]

I'm probably about to unvote and just vig you tonight

Not sure where to go from here

Reasnonable course of action. If you don't believe the Miller claim I'm nothing but a walking Wifom Mislynch waiting to happen.

So you don't have other scum reads? What about town reads?

Pedit: who's Tyr?

[Hawk]

NVM figured it out.

[Hawk]

VOTE: Yankee

[Hawk]

That's reasonable I don't think mulch looks like scum but I have limited experience with mulch considering last game I played with him was a lot of AtE and a replace in.

[Hawk]

Well, 1) I don't expect a scum to have vanilla cop abilities 2) it allows us to confirm that either hawk is a scum power role or not 3) If frogger is lying and doesn't have vanilla cop, it's really easy for us to lynch him. Either way, we're about to get one of the two confirmed.

1) scum vanilla cops exist and are used to find power roles.
2) this is true, but town miller and scum power role look the same, so is it useful?
3) how do we know he's lying, keeping 1 in mind? not to mention if he

is

lying about the ability anyway, Hawk publicly claimed miller so scum Frogger could make the reasonable assumption he isn't lying and claim the result is "not vanilla".

Why did you say point 2 was true?? Youre right I did misinterpret you slightly but you did agree with James that it was allows you to confirm I'm either a scum power role or not, if you are townreading me then you believe my Miller claim and wouldn't see that as confirming me as a scum power role or not, more simply you would have just said your second statement.

Maybe I'm just confused by the words you chose to use...

[Hawk]

Okay that makes more sense I just misunderstood or misread what was going on.

pedit: I entirely missed that slip... Also told you I'm Miller and bad at this game but I guess 200 posts of content pushing on me before claiming Miller might be worth something.

Sheeping frog as I feel like it's unlikely he's scum.

VOTE: Transcend

[Hawk]

plot twist

Hawk is my scum buddy and I vanilla copped him and pre-game told him to miller to clear us both

God damnit frog, way to ruin the surprise.

/sarcasm

[Hawk]

Kay

UNVOTE: I really did miss the context.

VOTE: Yankee

[Hawk]

VLA until Monday Jan 22nd sometime

Sorry guys personal things and other commitments

[Hawk]

Okay I'm caught up. I would have posted yesterday but sifting through 15 plus I needed to reread some to make sure I knew where I was going.

I don't think John is scum, his posts have felt pretty genuine especially his big post against Trans a few pages back. I'm not sure if that's the correct read as it almost feels like an AtE but it felt like something I almost have said in my first few games as town.

[Hawk]

Locke/Anti feels townish? I've never played with anti besides one game where he was declared d1 IC and went to the end in a c9++ against a SK. I died early in that game and don't remember much of his play. But Lockes slot seemed like it was putting forth effort and finding things like the stuff with Flavor and Gamma. My notes on that are a little jumbled because I need to reread more for context but my initial feeling was Locke is town. anti hasn't done anything to remove that feeling from me.

Frog has gone quiet I'm assuming that's just sitewide I haven't checked. Creature feels scummy despite his opener now. I would have expected even some small responses from creature and some effort to gamesolve. idk how I feel about people who say let's shoot for his scum partners and lynch him later... like that's just asking for a bad time if we end up with a towny who doesn't believe creature is scum or creature really is town and just that not interested.

[Hawk]

Don't fos John either (:

James however is kinda smelly ):

Blaaaaaaaaghhhhhh James John. Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

You know who I meant. Why switch back to Yankee then Trans? I don't think James is that scummy but I can see where you're getting a feeling of his "bad" posts.

[Hawk]

Hey sorry guys, kinda just lost interest in this game. I'll try and be better.

UNVOTE: I don't think fitz is scum. Yankee was scummy but idt that made the slot scummy and I'm more inclined to believe fitz is town with his catchups.

Creature is scum. Not sure who his partners are yet. I'd rather be here than any other lynch but people who agree with me seem to think it's better to hunt his partners than him.

I didn't like Antis 1050 because it feels like it should be obvious that creature is playing his scum game at this point. I've seen Creature have much better wake up than this and unlike me if he is town should have more to contemplate than what hes contributed.

[Hawk]

ehhhhhh ok

VOTE: creature

like hawk, did you miss this?

I did miss this. Also you're funny frog, it's not a fake claim I'm just generally not very interested in this game. It's felt extremely slow and I don't have any good reads. I wish I could explain why.

Also you know I'm not Vanilla so why would I go through the trouble of constructing a fake Miller claim just to get lazy and be scum read anyway.

I honestly have no good feel for the game right now but Fitz looks town, you've looked town, I'm not sure if transcend is town but I would guess so I've never played with him so I don't "get" his playstyle but I'm feeling like his intentions come from a more town mindset. Mulch I have bias against but for the most part hasn't seemed as scummy as he was in the previous game I played with him. Much more open minded.

Gamma seems way different than I remember but I haven't played with gamma since I think my first game.

James looks agitated and the longer he continues to poke at transcend the more I think the agitation is contrived.

Anti well... I guess I just missed the anti voting creature part but it felt like him and transcend earlier were too willing to give him a chance to town it up..Which he hasnt imo.

[Hawk]

Didn't we play in that one Stack the Deck game?

?? I don't recall playing with you outside of a game where Kain Tapes was a vig and literally shot 3 townies while we barely made it into final 3 with me Kop and aubrey

[Hawk]

VOTE: Creature we finally pushing This?

[Hawk]

Also I am so glad fitz is town. Smocaine case looks good.

[Hawk]

Also I am so glad fitz is town. Smocaine case looks good.

Is the second sentence the reason for the first

Somewhat? I unvoted earlier because thought Fitz looked town and the slot itself wasn't scummy so much as I felt like Yankee was. So yeah the first comment is me just feeling more confident in my town read of fitz especially after the Smocaine case which I feel is solid.

[Hawk]

VOTE: Creature we finally pushing This?

Also I am so glad fitz is town. Smocaine case looks good.

Why’d you end up going Creature here if you think the Smocaine case looks good enough to make you town read Fitz?

I'm 6 pages behind just responding as I see them.

I chose creature cause I figured that wagon was gaining more traction and I wanted pressure rather than to strand my vote onto Smocaine with just fitz. Also while I really like the case against Smocaine I was going to wait and see if he said anything in response before voting there.

[Hawk]

OH MY GOSH.
Just from the previous posts, It looks to me like Transcend was bussing Creature!scum just a little too well. I'm now unsure whether this is on purpose for the mislynch, or he's legit afraid for a scumbuddy, but it's a pretty fast hard turnaround for someone that a minute ago looked so scummy.
Agree with the above post; I've played with 2in10 before, and this is incredibly untownie behavior for him. Right now I'm leaning Trans/2in10/??? for the scumteam. (p-edit, that's 1250 for those curious.)

What's white knighting?

Draws in the idea that Transcend and Creature are partners creates scum team that doesn't have them both in it... wtf?

pedit: Did someone hammer someone I'm catching up trying to be organic here :/

[Hawk]

VOTE: Mulch

L-1

[Hawk]

UNVOTE:

[Hawk]

VOTE: Fitz

This is where I was over the night. Mulch fools around the Yankee wagon quite a bit but votes it very infrequently after the initial vote. I think frog is right it was a signal then a affirmation
Mulchs ISO also firmly makes me think 2IaM is town.

[Hawk]

Can vouch that we have been Neighborized but I don't rightly see the utility in outting that Gamma neighborized you here.

I don't know enough about Normal game setup to weigh in on it scum Neighborizer is strong or not... Don't mods get a grey or abnormal role/mechanic?

[Hawk]

I looked up traitor earlier and I'm not sure but it made it sound like roleblocker is possible in normals it's just not common?

Also didn't Mulch say something to me about a Mason? that didn't have anything relevant to this right? I'll find the post. Traitor doesn't know what the other mafia roles are right??

Pedit: I feel chara on this one but not sure I can evaluate just yet. I will assume if Fitz flips scum then frog didn't decide to burn his entire scum team and solo, but I can't see how he comes out the gate voting Fitz with that happening, unless he's really trying to sell the Town!FROG case. Also now that Flavor has outted Gamma and we are probably within the realm of believing he's town we basically have two named townies between me and him and scum should probably kill Gamma tonight unless they really want to play up that Wifom.

Also of note Flavor telling Gamma to go ahead and Neighborize almost feels like it was solely setup for this play Flavor made today as he used me to vouch that Gamma wanted to make the Gambit. Not sure how that reflects on Flavor yet...

[Hawk]

I missed the second part from Chara, my response was to me.tbinking Chara was still making some kind of case for scum!Frog

Pedit: fine fine.

Right now I'm with James is probably town, 2iam is town, Frog is 95% town, Gamma is town.

Flavor I'm uncertain of but it's mostly from this most recent decision to out Gamma as neighborizer. Same for Chara uncertain of alignment here. Creature is Lurky still.

Trying to review more and get a good read since I probably will live to endgame :/

Fitz is probably scum, it's not hard to see as Anti laid it out pretty well...

Ppedit: It wasn't that mean lol I've only played a few normals I'm much more used to open and semi open setups.

2iam is probably town Chara. Mulches early game interactions with 2iam make me think he's probably town. also 2iams push on me seems entirely too town motivated. Scum wouldn't push so hard on a Wifom claim I don't think.

[Hawk]

UNVOTE: Fitz i still feel like this is likely but don't want a quick day 3. Too much new information has surfaced.

Fitz has my attention with Mulch ISO since I've been reading that over and comparing to Yankee and Fitz himself.

I'll review a bit more before I jump to creature. Tho I still feel like Creature has been so Lurky and not playing to his town self meta...

[Hawk]

it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb

Oh. Well ok then.

Would you (or anyone ftm) expect a traitor would try and get some sort of signal to the scum team?

Imo I would expect a signal early and only to one member. It makes it look less suspicious than if it's to both because it can be traced back later.

Obvious things about the Mulch - Fitz/Yankee argument. Fitz uses Yankee being pressed entirely day 1 for an argument that he's town but doesn't feed the entire situation. Mulch presses only Yankee. Has one mention of Fitz in his ISO and it's after Fitz enters the game he references a town game of Fitz.

This makes me feel like Mulches entire case against Yankee was on the player not the slot which works and falls in line fine to a signalled mafia member that they're creating distance. As well Mulch pushing very hard right up until the replacement is probably wise. If the slot gets lynched and is scum then Mulch looks better as why would he spend the entire day bussing?

Also if concern for me in regards to fitz is he leans town Mulch early and then feels like it leans more scummy later. However he never gives a large read in regards to mulch despite saying in his longer readlist he needs too instead focusing on Flavor, Smocaine, Gamma, and 2iaM. Maybe he just got busy and didn't get to it but knowing Fitzs strict no bus if possible policy I can see how he would avoid that as well Fitz wasn't on Mulches hammer yesterday fwtw which probably isn't much.

I'm not sure who 3rd Mafia would be right now but I don't disagree with Fitz that this lines up with creatures scum meta. I just finished a game with Fitz and Creature where he was scum and Fitz was SK (replaced in) and the inactiveness d1 lines up between the two games but that's entirely meta. I've seen Creature come alive d2 as town so hopefully we get more from him.

These are just some thoughts as I dig around people's ISOs.

[Hawk]

Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

As much as I agree with those two being high on the list this gives me a bad vibe. It just feels too easy of reads. Does that concern you at all 2iam?

[Hawk]

huh, perhaps i was looking at outdated info.
interested to know Frogger's thoughts on the matter, though.

Mulch definitely knew his partners, but it's possible it remains to be seen if the scum knew there was a traitor. usually, two scum in a normal indicates that or an SK, so the scum should have at least been open to the possibility if they weren't new. (or multiball, but gross)

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

Scum should have known that there was a traitor. game was advertised as 10v3 implying not multiball and the Scum team would have only seen 2 members. So.....

Pedit: If you flip town I would be much more wary of Frog Scum but not sold that's the solution.

[Hawk]

It must suck for scum that we already know creature is town

This feels like it could have been or some kind of reaction test.

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

One in

smocaine reaper

One in brafin Locke chara (btw the fact chara hasn’t posted is a bad look because they are obvious scum as scum , if someone can research if they’ve been posting in other games that would be great cause I have no time)
One scum in towny people probably

This coupled with Yankees two coin reply makes me feel like Yankee was signaled, received and then continued to he scumread d1 to not draw suspicion until Yankee replaced. Yankee being scummy d1 and being absent for a large part of it as well makes it easy for Mulch to signal and then stay on that lynch until you replace in.

Your replace in looks good so mulch can easily move off you which he does. He pushes you 0 times after the replace in. It lines up well with the idea that you are scum and he was signalling your predecessor.

Pedit: I'm not sure I like that... let me do some math and speculation. I really don't like planning ahead lynches as for me that's something I use defensively as a scum tactic and offensively as a scum tactic as well.

[Hawk]

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

Given you would be implicated I'm sure it is your "favorite."

You suspect Creature yeah? So vote that wagon. If he flips town I'll accept my fate tomorrow and town will be in mylo. So there'll still be hope.

If my lynch is inevitable I'd prefer it before we're in a mylo situation.

Are you using Mylo and Lylo interchanably here fitz??

[Hawk]

Fitz is grasping at straws here. No reason we should keep him alive "just because".

I'm not grasping at shir. I'm town and would prefer we lynch scum today.

Your presence on my wagin is lazy as he// too. Why are you voting me?

What's your read on Creature?

Because your predecessor claimed MIller after he was being wagoned and you havent done anything that towny imho.

2iam you're confused... I am the miller... Yankee claimed nothing...

[Hawk]

UNVOTE: Fitz i still feel like this is likely but don't want a quick day 3. Too much new information has surfaced.

Fitz has my attention with Mulch ISO since I've been reading that over and comparing to Yankee and Fitz himself.

I'll review a bit more before I jump to creature. Tho I still feel like Creature has been so Lurky and not playing to his town self meta...

OH MY GOD THIS FUCKING IDIOT ASS TOWN

You can be mad at me all you want. I'm just being cautious. Fitz right now is still numero uno lynch. Also please remember me and Gamma are Neighborized with Flavor now so ending the day soon especially after that reveal just gets Gamma killed.

Consider this giving him the rest of today I promise I'll hammer/vote him this evening unless something drastically changes.

[Hawk]

Your replace in looks good

NO IT DOESNT

VOTE: Frogger

Fuck this idiot-ass town

Frog calm the fuck down. I meant in the context of d1.

He's probably scum why are you getting so worked up he was still at l-2. with your vote and I said I would put him at l-1 before the end of tE day. Jesus you're whining like a baby now.

Pedit:
Here frog does this make you happy?

VOTE: Fitz I was trying to give some time to get people's fucking thoughts out here but nope. Confscum let's go. Chara, Gamma, 2iam, someone jump on here with frog so we can lynch and frog can stop yelling for no reason

[Hawk]

Oh also James hasn't fucking said a word all day hope that helps you sort his VI ass.

Pedit: I never fucking moved off Yankee all of day one until the replace in!!

Whatever he's lynched. Let's get on with it.

[Hawk]

All I know for sure is that Yankee was town.

Explain one town reason yankee says that

It was early and entirely meant to be taken as a NAI post.

Extremely risky to say something like that as scum if you know there is a traitor.

I mean these are possible... the evidence is mounting that it was a signal frog we get it. But it doesn't sell 100% of the time unless you really believe Yankee was saying that with any kind of motivation... there is no town motivation to do it but there are reasons scum shouldn't do it, and often scum can be misread as town by making too scummy to be scum posts.

Idk what you're looking for from fitz here frog but there are reasons it could have been said, I don't see a town motivation but it's hella sloppy as scum in hindsight.

Pedit: I hope you're right frog. I just am overly cautious. Been caught too many times with my pants down because stupid town make stupid mistakes that implicate them as scum.

[Hawk]

Boon is also sitting there on the sidelines

You know who really is sitting on the sidelines? James. James hasn't said shit all day and probably won't cause Screen will lock the thread soon.

pedit: :eyeroll: sorry I'm being unreasonable. Fitz is 100% scum, 0% chance he's town, no way we could possibly be wrong.

Ppedit: frogs do eat flies.

[Hawk]

Here's where I'm at wrt this game.

I'm town. Just a plain old VT. If I'm today's lynch it doesn't lose the game for town so I'd rather it be today or tomorrow instead of in mylo. And this isn't AtE...it's stating the obvious.

I think the points that have been made against me are shit.

Mulch showed commitment to a Yankee wagon (whether Yankee was present or not) and from Mulch's pov...losing one of the TWO players he had to have alive at the end of the game on D1 to achieve his wincon would put him in a terrible position. He might get some town cred with a scum flip (which would not have happened) but even if he was considered conf!town (for pushing a mislynch)...his ability to win would hinge entirely on his hypothetically lone remaining partner. So why bring that on yourself if you are Mulch? Mulch might have bussed, but I'm town and the extent of his presence on my wagon should make that at least a determining factor in trying to sort my slot out.

Mulch stayed away from Creature entirely D1 other than to continually call him town (despite Fro99er, Gamma, Hawk and Antihero feeling otherwise) and barely mentioned Chara at all (save for a short 1 vote wagon on him).

If the Mulch reads list does point to Chara and Creature and they both turn out to be scum I'm going to lmao.

Chara plays a good game and is a logical poster. I'm my mind I think he would come across as town regardless of whether he was scum or not. Question for Chara....are you considered good or bad as scum?

And while the Mulch readability list might not point to both his partners...I'm fine with pulling any Chara suspicions for it back a bit. But it is something to think about regardless of Creature's eventual flip.

I'm engaged in other activities on this site that are taking a lot of my bandwidth though so unless anyone has specific questions to me I'd rather not keep expending time in here if it's going to come to nothing.

I'm voting who I (and many of you iirc) think is scum.

I have Frog, Creature, Chara, Hawk. Flavor on the lynch

[Hawk]

idk why it quoted Fitz and not flavor there...

[Hawk]

Hmm Kay so creatures scum last scum is in Sheep and Chara... That works...

If flavor or 2 are scum good job by them. I dont see 2iAM being able to legit push me immediately after my Miller claim as scum. it's way too towny and he's kept reasonable scepticism of my claim all game.

Imo Gamma asking for a Mason gambit makes him almost 100% confirmed town.

Flavor doesn't through away that Mason Gambit as scum. too good to be true. He can use it then kill Gamma if he feels it's nesscary

Meaning we should have 4 hardlockish town from my PoV.

Let's lynch Creature and go from there cause even if we are wrong I don't see how we can possibly win with town!creature so let's get that outta the way.

VOTE: Creature

[Hawk]

Chara why is Gamma scum? What's wrong with the reasoning. Who Neighborizes and opens with wanna Mason Gambit as scum?

[Hawk]

Also flavor creature had to go. Can you imagine lynching outside of that today going into 5 left with creature being the person we have left to sort if we get it wrong today?

[Hawk]

Chara why is Gamma scum? What's wrong with the reasoning. Who Neighborizes and opens with wanna Mason Gambit as scum?

i've seen scum neighbourizers do this. it's not really that strange. what exactly is the risk as scum?

Doesn't make sense in the context of the game if you present it as a scum Neighborizer. There was a traitor. scum knew that the Neighborizer would have been a way to get the traitor into a day chat with town. Meaning As scum I would Neighborized people I thought were potential traitors first.

Unless flavor and gamma are the scum team I don't see this scenario playing out with gamma being scum.

[Hawk]

the reason for a scum neighbourizer to hit their teammate is because it's a good distancing move. for exactly the reasoning you're using.

It is but I don't buy it... It's very well setup in the thread and the interaction feels genuine.. I don't believe it would be from two scum buddies just trying to pocket me and any other player they add... what do you think 2iam?

Also if and when creature flips scum that throws this entire thing out the window.

[Hawk]

what's the argument for town!boon

If gamma!town he Neighborized Boon with the intent of doing a Mason claim gambit because he believed boon to be town. Boon the very first chance he gets outs the neighborhood and uses me as confirmation throwing away a gambit with a towny as scum.

Basically scum Flavor leaf never throws away all of the town cred Gamma was giving him by outting the neighborhood right away.

[Hawk]

I don't have a meta read on Flavor. You're right. But logically it makes little sense to me. Also Manipulative ScumBoon would just say okay sure, why double down and create a bigger Wifom gambit?

You're telling me ScumBoon would look a gift horse in the mouth and say fuck no that's too easy. You know what's not let's make this wolf Wifom they will never guess it plan and give away this free pocketed towny. If so good on him and he deserves a win here.

[Hawk]

that's not too easy

boon had basically no read on gamma
would you not find it suspicious if he eventually had to out that he was faking a mason claim with gamma

incorrect he actually calls him out for white knighting. Saying his behavior is scummy a few times I think. Yeah Flavor wasn't very public with his read but I don't think that's the case here... Sheep have you read the game now or are you just guessing as to what happened based off perceived meta??

[Hawk]

yeah but
town!you doesnt do that unless you think gamma's town
and scum!you probably realizes this

That makes no sense...

Scum!Boon wouldn't say shit and just be like yes come into my pocket... you realize if boon is as manipulative as you say he wouldn't need to do the things he did with gamma. Just let him come into the pocket. why call out the white knight as scum!Boon? to imitate his scum game?

If I was town and thought gamma was town I wouldn't call him for white knighting I would note it and be cautious of his buddying. Don't fall into a pocket as town and don't turn away people who want in your pockets as scum...

[Hawk]

To imitate his town game** correction a typo

[Hawk]

I want Sheep Chara Flavor.

I have no unclaimed portions to my role.

Also sheep you're bad if you're town and consider me lynchable at this point. I'm basically a named townie.

[Hawk]

Why do you think Gammas scum?

Mafia Encryptor, Neighborizer, Traitor?

Your role must tell you a lot about the setup Chara... lol

[Hawk]

elaborate as to my motivation?

the readslist

was

exceedingly artificial, in my opinion. i made sure to specify Two and Hawk were my best townreads so it's interesting you say Hawk/sheep.

If it's to draw attention to a NK at 2 or me I would suspect you being watcher. You couldn't name Flavor and someone because of your 1v1 with Flavor but you could name me and someone you knew was in the neighborhood and watch them.

You watch 2 and if worst comes no one visits and I get shot you at least sort my Miller claim if you have any doubt in your mind.

Idk I'm paranoid you want the last claim.

[Hawk]

If you're claiming PR and think gamma is last scum and not outright claiming a guilty I'm very confused

[Hawk]

by a combination of my reads and what i know, i think Gamma is the last scum. i could be wrong, which is why Flavor needs to claim.

I'm confused because I dont understand how Flavor claiming first changes your claim if you think gamma is the last scum.

If you thought flavor was last scum I would understand but with it being Gamma I dont see what agency you gain by claiming last that isn't scummy intent... It's like you're worried that your gambit isn't going to work.

pedit: That makes me more confused as to why you can't just claim...

[Hawk]

Okay, so what's your PR?

[Hawk]

Why did you lynch Fitz?

VOTE: Chara

He said rolecop...

[Hawk]

Why did you lynch Fitz?

VOTE: Chara

He said rolecop...

you do realize i could have easily confirmed a different VT or claimed i checked Frogger, right?

being vanilla doesn't mean he couldn't be goon scum.

I understand that but you still voted him. You also if I recall didn't start on fitz that day. Why lynch fitz if you got a vanilla and didn't feel the need to start there??

pedit: Hold on I don't believe you.

[Hawk]

Yeah except for your vote I can't find a single spot where you say fitz is actually scum. You paint a lot of Gamma VS Fitz and Creature VS Fitz scum pairs.

I don't buy you being town!Rolecop.

Also idk why you think it's Gamma over Flavor here from your PoV.

pedit: You can tell me the same thing frog did I'm bad at setup speculation. I don't buy your claim or your stances. And I won't lynch gamma today.

[Hawk]

UNVOTE:

Imma wait for Flavor.

I don't know if I buy the Rolecop claim at all. Also I don't think you're Rolecop if you're scum. That readlist is fakeable. As is the crumb I'm fairly certain.

Pedit: Bleeegggghhh I hate games like this that have so many posts to sift through...

[Hawk]

I mean at this point the game is auto for me, the only thing I have to do is not get lynched.

Scccuuuummmmclllaaaiiimmmm..

Jk..

or am i...

Idk anymore.

Seriously tho I have so many questions... like why check fitz and then not at least resist that lynch more... did you even vote creature that day??

Why check 2iam and then Sheep over double checking Gamma? I mean yeah Gamma most likely would just come back Neighborizor buy

[Hawk]

I only object because I feel like if we're wrong we go to a final 3 of Chara, Flavor, Me....

[Hawk]

Whatever if Chara alive tomorrow and sheep isn't scum that's where I'm going. I still don't buy the claim. If I die in the night Chara probably killed me because he is probably 100% certain I wouldn't flip off him and onto whoever else. Plus the Wifom is better for him in that final 3.

Intent to Hammer Sheep. I'll push it through later today if no one objects or sheep hasn't made substantial case for anyone else being scum.

[Hawk]

i know what i said but i'm really just not scumreading sheep. i think Flavor has a good enough scumgame to pull this off. i wish i had something more concrete to aggressively 1v1 but i don't.
if i have time i'll compare both of them to possiblg avoid an inevitable LyLo loss.
Hawk, considering you admitted to misplaying your own miller claim, i would think you'd at least consider i did not play optimally either.
this is blatant AtE as i'm aware Hawk is town, but seeing as a surefire town win is my not being lynching today or tomorrow i don't feel especially bad about stream of consciousness posting.

that's not a surefire town win if you lynch town today and tomorrow Chara -_-;

Your logic is flawed.

I still like Chara lynch before sheep. Sheep why are you townreading Chara??

[Hawk]

oh btw

@Srceenplay sheep got sitebanned so he may need replacing

I kinda wanna lynch before replacement though

Wait what? God damnit.

So if we don't lynch sheep today if he gets left alive tomorrow it'll be a replacement into f3? Assuming im wrong about Chara...

Ugh okay I'm more willing to lynch Sheep....

[Hawk]

surefire town win from my perspective, i thought that would be obvious. i'm saying one of sheep/Flavor has to be scum.

R you assuming I live??

Didn't you say you thought it was Gamma at the start of the day? Why if we lynch sheep would it have to be Flavor next... what if I die. then it's you flavor gamma.

[Hawk]

Like you shouldn't be so self preserving here Chara.

What happened to the idea that Mulch Claimed the whole Scumteam d1??

[Hawk]

Okay I've heard enough I think. I just wanted to hear what you had to say Chara.

Intent to Hammer Sheep anyone have objections?? Like Gamma or Flavor or Chara if you want more outta the day.

[Hawk]

Don't be too paranoid Chara. I'm paying attention I want to see how you ready. You were my number 1 scumread going into today. Gamma and Flavor will atest to that as I voiced my concerns in the neighborhood.

I feel like I'm inevitably going to f3 as the namedtownie/Wifom Miller claim so I'm playing it a bit tight to the chest to avoid pocketing or being too predictable. Maybe scum mess up and the NK hands us the game on a silver platter.

Or maybe Sheep is scum.

I'll wait to make sure Gamma and Flavor don't have anything left to add either.

Flavor for one hasn't responded at all

[Hawk]

React* not ready my phone is dumb...

[Hawk]

VOTE: Sheep

Saving Screen the trouble :/ Really not convinced that this was scum. If it is I feel bad for mulch.

[Hawk]

@Screenplay If Gamma is scum Neighborizer is he capable of performing the nightkill and neighborizing the same night?

[Hawk]

I'm going VLA this weekend so if we don't make any major progress in the next few hours I will be back monday. I'm fine with waiting.

[Hawk]

I'm here. I'm not exactly sure where I stand but I'm more confident in one particular vote than anyother....

[Hawk]

Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??

[Hawk]

Paranoid much? I understand you said you have a track history with Miller's. But still...

[Hawk]

I really wish Chara had copped Gamma right now...

[Hawk]

Yeeesh. Well this isn't going how I expected.

Mulch probably hard townread me since... well you know I claimed Miller. If you believe the claim you believe that I am basically a named townie. If you don't believe the claim you shoulda lynched me d1 like 2iam and Transcend wanted.

I really haven't played that well, but where I'm standing I'm fairly certain it's Flavor.

So if I'm wrong about Gamma I that royally sucks. Gamma you really believe Mafia Miller is a thing here??

[Hawk]

I'll be perfectly honest one of the main reasons I'm leaning Flavor is because I think Gamma is town... there are some blatantly obvious fuckups if he's scum... like this

"And also I'm fairly certain Hawk is town, and if he is scum his team does not have an encryptor"

Like that's a hella dangerous thing to say in hindsight.

I haven't reread the whole game from yalls perspectives yet but This is kinda where I was by the end of the day yesterday. I pushed Chara hard because I wanted to make him accountable so that if Flavor borought him to final 3 I could be sure in a townread on him. I was super hesitant of his claim because I was in disbelief that scum!gamma could open up the neighborhood with a mason gambit and then scum!flavor would throw all that away. One of these is true and I have to figure out which one.

[Hawk]

I'm not sure how to convince you it's flavor and not me. From my perspective it should be you and Flavour in a 1v1.

Chara was Rolecop he copped me I'm Miller. I can only say what I've said all game. I don't see the point of this role nor do I understand how it can be beneficial. I should have been lynched d1 and I even said go ahead and do it. I knew I would be brought to the f3 the longer the game played out because unlike what people think this role intended benefit is what it actually creates is a giant Wifom machine. EXCEPT FOR THIS TIME THE ROLE WAS ACTUALLY CONFIRMED BY A ROLECOP. Gamma if youre town you should never lynch me and if you're scum you'll lynch flavor if I vote there anyway.

I don't see a reason for you to be scum and I'm really bad at setup speculation so I don't know if Scum Ascetic Neighborizor is the most appropriate thing for this game for balance.

Ugh I hate lylo.

[Hawk]

Eh if Flavor is town we lost anyway. VOTE: Flavor

Flavor my trajectory is I know my role PM is green.

[Hawk]

Wifom? I won't vote Gamma. Also you're playing with fire if you're voting me as town... Really Mafia Miller? you're both insane you know that right.

[Hawk]

I want you to think about gamebalance for a second in what world does Mafia Miller make sense against Cop, RC and Neighborizer. Cop can guilty it sure but that's not detrimental to town. Especially if the Miller plays it right and claims d1 first post. RC confirms it but then gets bamboozled? The only actual power role is Neighborizer? no I don't think so. I think normal Miller normal Neighborizer makes fine sense for the setup. plenty of Wifom and with only. RB and encryptor for mafia it can seem very downsides when your RB traitor gets lynched d2 off a guilty.

[Hawk]

I may be really bad at setup spec but everytime you guys say mafia Miller I literally go wtf that... I mean.. is that a thing? that can't be a thing and you can't be buying this it's fucking insane.

[Hawk]

Does that make my trajectory a bit more clear Flavor? I know I'm green and after my claim I should have basically been a named townie. Everything you guys are throwing around me being the last scum is some fucking moonlogic wifom.

[Hawk]

Eh... I guess even as a named townie I'm not very town. My bad guys. I really did try...

[Hawk]

Gamma I really didn't have a good case for Flavor because up until Chara died he wasn't that high on my list. Probably pocketed..
I shoulda stuck with my gut pre neighborhood and pushed for a flabr lynch harder... i still had flavor scumread there... but the neighborhood kinda messed with me... I didn't see scum!flavor in there..

[Hawk]

Also sorry for doubting you Chara or being harsh I wanted flavor to bring you into final 3...

[Hawk]

Huh I guess miller is only town in normals
I thought they could be mafia because of a normal idea game
whomever is responsible for this I'm gonna destroy next time I see them

stuff like this royally fucks with my head.... I'm not good at setup spec and last game we mislynched a doctor because he was "grey" role and could self target. Someone mentioned that's not normal and pulled it up. Plus we had two very hard read townies that game so it didn't make sense. Now with stuff like this I had a hard time wanting to be confident that Neighborizer only makes sense as town here and there's no way mafia Miller ever exists.... but here we are.

*sigh* I also probably let the named townie thing get to my head... Especially after Chara copped me. I was hesitant that Chara was town till he claimed. At that point I thought well I should be the decider vote tomorrow if I don't die...

[Hawk]

Also, @Two - I legit was just away from the game and wasn’t really caught up, so when you came in and pushed me, it made it easy for me to post and tunnel onto you the first few days.

And yeah, I kill off my threats when they don’t incriminate me. Transcend, Antihero, Frog, all we’re my immediate threats that would have pushed me. Two got townie, and it allowed me to kill there. Chara was the kill that was worrisome for me, but it worked out.

Chara was the right kill. I pushed Chara harder than I needed to because I wanted you to bring him. If it wasn't sheep and down to the two of you after Charas initial reaction I flipped my read. But I couldn't say any of that going into f3...

[Hawk]

WTF
Why is the NRG so dumb

I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.

Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.

lol I didn't get it either
don't really know why Hawk didn't notice that tbh lmao

Probably because I was scouring the main thread... I didn't dive into the neighborhood as much because I was there for most of it and it was much shorter....

[Hawk]

Oh I forgot to say thank you screenplay for modding! It was fun playing with all of you.