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[Smocaine]

I'll help you lynch Transcend right now. Together we can accomplish many great things Mulch.

[Mulch]

I'll help you lynch Transcend right now. Together we can accomplish many great things Mulch.

How about million

[Hawk]

eh fuck it

@Mod

Vanilla Cop: Hawk

I seriously just hope we have a cop

You saying that was a reaction test??

[Mulch]

eh fuck it

@Mod

Vanilla Cop: Hawk

I seriously just hope we have a cop

You saying that was a reaction test??

No and stop asking dumb questions

I meant a real cop

[Smocaine]

I feel like million will become obvious after a flip or two. I'd also feel pretty bad d1 mislynching the guy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm I don't like how James is viewing Smocaine's posts. Feels like an agenda and/or confbias

Pages 6-10

I don't think you understand why Hawk was voted

How

This feels spamy.

Except for the fact that it was a false interpretation.

Except for the fact that it was a false interpretation.

No, it was not. I was not the only one to interpret it the way I did, and the fact that you state it as a ‘false interpretation’ means you believe/know my post to be an interpretation.

I also feel like this is a scum slip. He seems to KNOW that you were interpreting it.

That's true, but I don't see how that is relevant.

SMOCAINE
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM WITH BEING WRONG

Did I vote him or imply I was voting him? No, but you can't just be like, "I was wrong, but I still stand that I wasn't wrong." And then go on to vote anyone else who points out how that's wrong. Who does that?

This strikes me as a scum defense. If he seems scummy, why not vote for the scum?

He wasn't scumreading Flavor though....

I'm never voting or nk'ing the frog.

I've seen this before, it's incredibly scummy. Like, insanely scummy.

Not really man, it means he enjoys having him around.

Onto why I thought Mulch was more odd. He mentioned knowing Creature is town in an affirmative manner. Either he's scum and can make that kind of statement hoping to draw town into questioning him or finding other town who feel the same. Or he's that confident in his meta read of creature and simply stating his opinion of Creature as fact.

This is the scummiest thing i’ve ever read

Why?

I think Gamma Emerald is scum here.

Again, why?

Maybe take the time to think about these things rather than just spam "why?"

Gamma that sounds fake af

thank you

Also, don't play Forge of Empires.

What about Frog of Empires?

Would play

i dont think gamma

ok I'm hard committing to GE + Trans or Fro88er + Smocaine.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

WHY? No reads but plenty of shading and votes. Plus, there's three maf, not two. It's in the rules.

Just because he's creating a pairing dichotomy doesn't mean he believes that's the only mafia

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

But I'm not scum.

Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

But I'm not scum.

Yeah that's what Al Capone said.

This exchange feels scummy as CRUD to me. 2in10 is trying to draw a 1v1 here from hawk, to make him stumble? To damage him?

hey um gamma if u think hawk is scum why aren't u on his wagon ::::::::::::::((((((((((((((((((((

How come you didn't ask Smocaine the same question?

It's a good point, but it's also a bit whiney and shifting the focus off gamma onto Smocaine.

Filing this away for later.

It does look like a scumshift to me, and it's avoiding a direct question.

You should still be voting me if you find me scummy as fuck

Did I call you scummy? I called asking loaded questions scummy. I haven't sorted you yet. I appreciate your effort to sort me but not your methods.

I wasn't pursuing the Mulch Smocaine interaction because attempting to sort that would have required a meta dive on Mulch and I'm to lazy/it was 11 at night yesterday when I posted that.

NO NO NO. Frog is right. If you think his behavior is scummy, you should be voting him.

Here's my thinking on pg 10:
I think Hawk, a poor player, is getting taken advantage of by 2in10, Smocaine, and frog.Maybe a setup for Smocaine so frog can take a fall tho. Yankee could also be scum. Will do 11-15 before bed tonight.

Overall I feel James is being deliberately obtuse here
VOTE: James Brafin
I feel like the push on 2iam from James means there might not be teaming with them

[TwoInAMillion]

I played with Hawk in another game and he didn't seem a poor player at all.

[TheYankeeReaper]

Daddy's home.

[Fro99er]

Mmm I don't like how James is viewing Smocaine's posts. Feels like an agenda and/or confbias

Explain what feels like confbias or an agenda

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm I don't like how James is viewing Smocaine's posts. Feels like an agenda and/or confbias

Explain what feels like confbias or an agenda

The fact they are construing so much of their posts as scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like million will become obvious after a flip or two. I'd also feel pretty bad d1 mislynching the guy.

I agree that Million's alignment is likely to become obvious later in the game. I haven't read the past few pages. Been workin', so hard, i'm punching, my card, 12 hours, for what.

anywho, yeah, I'll give this game the time it needs soon.

[James Brafin]

@Gamma: As an older player, you should know, of all people, how scummy it is to simply say someone/something is scummy without actually proving it. It's just empty shading, useless to town, and very spammy and pointless. And why did you only "refute" my points against Smocaine, but not 2in10 or Frog or Yankee? Are you saying that my read against one slot is scummy, but the others are completely valid? If that were the case, wouldn't the more logical assumption be that I've gotten a bad read?

Another thing I notice: Why would Smocaine mention NK (post 175) if he didn't have one? (post That seems weird to me; unless he's a vig, what's the point? Is he softclaiming vig? or is this a scumslip?
AND ANOTHER THING:
Hawk's post 78 is not scummy (at least to me); he's making a legitimate, informed read on Mulch and what his posts might mean.

[Fro99er]

The fact they are construing so much of their posts as scummy

how is that confbias or an agenda?

what parts specifically are confbias?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I noticed a lot of your wall was about Smocaine. I can work n the others if you so wish however.
As for 175, I feel like it doesn't matter. If he's scum either he has taken a possible kill off the table or he will be discredited.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact they are construing so much of their posts as scummy

how is that confbias or an agenda?

what parts specifically are confbias?

I'm thinking they're either stuck in a viewpoint where they see all of it as scummy, or are trying to make it all look scummy. Could be both however. One of the best traits as scum is believing your own hype, aka actually having genuine feeling in your reads. It's something I always try to do.

[Fro99er]

that's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking what *specific* things has he said that are confirmation bias?

[TheYankeeReaper]

This is exactly what I expected with a game with Gamma Emerald.

Are you suggesting we lynch Gamma Emerald? He is the only one aside from you to have posted so far without being voted.

If he's not suggesting it, then I am.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

All over the fucking place like a belligerent drunken family member at Thanksgiving. Same shit different game. He ended being town the last game I played with him. However, I just skimmed that game over and noticed he didn't accuse nearly the amount of people he has this game.

Smocaine is mafia. I'm not changing this view. But Gamma maf? The possibility of a bus is certainly there. Either lynch i'm fine with.

And I don't like Transcend.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I accused similar amounts of people between both games, if not more there. And nice to know you paid attention but didn't bother playing, Yankee.

[Gamma Emerald]

that's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking what *specific* things has he said that are confirmation bias?

I'm not sure if you get the actual point of what I'm saying but nevertheless, I feel like his addressing of 175 is the most confbias-y based on how much he scumreads it compared to how much there is to scumread, but the previous two things I address are also somewhat confbias-y since he's making a lot of it but he doesn't seem to have a real grasp on why he feels that way

[TheYankeeReaper]

I think I accused similar amounts of people between both games, if not more there. And nice to know you paid attention but didn't bother playing, Yankee.

Nah, I would say you were more pro-active in throwing around questions before committing to votes. I mean, you voted me earlier this game, but I guess you've forgotten.

ok actually gamma you're sounding a bit too cautious dude

pull up a chair, sit down, and tell me the mafia (:

I don't get how that's being cautious but alright
I'm suspecting YankeeReaper somewhat for not having answered why he voted Smocaine, and I feel like there's some credit to the idea of Hawk!scum
VOTE: YankeeReaper
I'm gonna vote this again since I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise, in fact the situation got worse if anything, plus the wagon shrank so I'm okay going back for now

The Hawk!scum is a nice little touch. I would say both me and Hawk were pretty easy pushes at that stage of the game. The question is: why did you feel compelled to initiate a vote and explain it after Transcend prompts you with a single post? Why have I fallen off your radar?

And why are you so adamant in ignoring Smocaine? You know, the player who's been pushing on you for the majority of the game. What alignment is he to you?

[Transcend]

Why don't you like me >:(

[Srceenplay]

Official Vote Count

Hawk

(3): TwoInAMillion, Transcend, Hawk

Smocaine

(2): TheYankeeReaper, Flavor Leaf

James Brafin

(1): Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1): Smocaine

TwoInAMillion

(1): Mulch

Not Voting

(5): Locke113, Fro99er, James Brafin, Chara, Creature

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-31 20:00:00)

Locke113 has 24 hours to pick up their role pm or be replaced

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[TheYankeeReaper]

Why don't you like me >:(

Vote Smocaine and we'll see what happens in your next performance review.

[Transcend]

No

[Transcend]

Smocaine has some very unhealthy attention

Plus i tr him LOL!