Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Flubbernugget]

Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

Moneybags has these really strange tone inconsistencies where he goes from 100% literal and calm to awkward tinges of sarcasm and I'm suspicious of it, but can't pin a motivation to it atm.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Beefster

[Moneybags]

If Moz is scum he's a mastermind.

Can you elaborate on this?

It's really hard to put into words without it sounding like I'm a jerk. I'm currently writing off moz as "he can't possibly not be town because there's no way scum would ever want to come off the way he is coming off". If his intention is to make me feel that way then he's clearly on another playing field, at least from where I'm standing.
I think RC said they disagreed and said it would be easy to fake. To which I concur, however that would mean moz is currently doing terrible as scum. And judging by his join date I find that less likely.
As a disclaimer I realize I'm probably reading way more into this than I should be. I just personally really think he's incredibly... "raw" as town. So raw it couldn't be faked without a lot of intentional, tactile planning.

Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

Moneybags has these really strange tone inconsistencies where he goes from 100% literal and calm to awkward tinges of sarcasm and I'm suspicious of it, but can't pin a motivation to it atm.

Cause I went in with "hey now that I'm older maybe I'd be better at playing mafia" to the current "Nope I still have no idea what I'm doing."

[Moneybags]

Beef is at (L-1)

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

I'll think about it

[Maxous]

What's the difference between 'haven't had an issue with' and 'under review'?=

Uhh the difference being these players I think *have* acted scummy and i'm keeping an eye on them.
though that being said, since then i'm coming around more to the possibility of Errant being scum.
You're scum-reading him yeah?

Maxous. What are your arguments for not voting Beefster? What did you think of what Coa said in 622?

well apart from my true reason of 'lol gut', I don't think he would of picked a fight with RC the way he did and immediately retract it as scum.
As scum, you either dodge the fight or commit to it.

I think it came across as consistent with the way he went after Thor in the early game, as Beef got mad about how he was trying to be 'town leader' as well.

Premature VT claim is probably townish too, particularly in this set-up where if you're gonna be lynched you might as fake and draw out the real PR's.
Especially in the situation Beef is in

I don't really think anything of the "copying" argument if you're asking.

[Transcend]

UNVOTE:

[Thor665]

Beginning a catch up now

The tldr is probably going to be:

-> Transcend not doing anything, making PP's original tunnel on thor look scum motivated
-> Thor ignoring my issue of him treating players asymmetrically by flapping his arms and saying I don't have a meta case on him

For those keeping track.
Yes, Flubber is still ducking answering the question.
You'd think he'd answer it just to undercut me at this point since he claims to think I'm scum.
But he won't, because then he'd have to reveal that the case is empty and he's scum.

What's the difference between 'haven't had an issue with' and 'under review'?=

Uhh the difference being these players I think *have* acted scummy and i'm keeping an eye on them.
though that being said, since then i'm coming around more to the possibility of Errant being scum.
You're scum-reading him yeah?

I know I haven't been very clear on my suspicion of Errant.
But, yes, I suspect Errant.

[RadiantCowbells]

Confirm or deny that you've been relatively rather quiet since I showed up in the game?

[Transcend]

everyone trs hws but obviously he's good as scum as he made f3 lylo in another game

Are you all ~sure~ he is town? His posts give me a bad gut feeling.

[Klick]

I haven't seen very many people give HWS townreads. I'm getting the same impression he's good as scum, which is why I can't place him as a townread right now. He hasn't really done anything scummy though.

[Transcend]

Nope he hasn't

But i just get this horrible gut feeling about him

But maybe it is horrible because it is horribly wrong

Hey klick who should i vig Tonight (:

[Transcend]

Assuming we don't lynch him/her.

[Transcend]

:p

[RadiantCowbells]

Go ahead. I think that level of townread from me was a bit excessive.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I think this is probably the best lynch right now.

[Klick]

I'd probably suggest a vig on either EP or texcat. Vig shots are best suited for more lurker-style players imo, since we won't get much info from their lynches, and they probably won't be killed by scum if they're town.

I know I've been a little rude about the whole thing irt you not explaining your scumread on me. It just frustrates me because I don't understand it, and I feel like if you were to just shoot me tonight it would be unjustified.

[Moneybags]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I think this is probably the best lynch right now.

I'm not sure I buy Beef's gambit. It feels like a hail mary to me. It's equally possible he could be telling the truth and is really just going to go along with it. In which case yes I agree it would be useless to confirm him as town. Which means if he's not scum then lynching him would indeed be a complete waste of time.
Ok so I see your point. But why EP? I feel like we could do better than EP.

[Moneybags]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I think this is probably the best lynch right now.

I'm not sure I buy Beef's gambit. It feels like a hail mary to me. It's equally possible he could be telling the truth and is really just going to go along with it. In which case yes I agree it would be useless to confirm him as town. Which means if he's not scum then lynching him would indeed be a complete waste of time.
Ok so I see your point. But why EP? I feel like we could do better than EP.

I say this not having an alternative I could probably sell you on. I just don't find EP particularly scummy?

[RC most awesomest]

I decided that I'm not going to bother to dismantle hard scum right now since Transcend is liable to eat the bullet over me and want to just take the free scum lynch.

If you want me to go for higher +ev scum then I need more time =[

[RadiantCowbells]

I decided that I'm not going to bother to dismantle hard scum right now since Transcend is liable to eat the bullet over me and want to just take the free scum lynch.

If you want me to go for higher +ev scum then I need more time =[

err this was me.

and +ev scum should read like carry scum. I don't have a particular bead for who the carry scum are right now, need more time.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless it's moz, but I don't feel like pursuing that right now

[RadiantCowbells]

but yeah I'm happy taking the freebie on EP knowing that either Transcend is dying, we have two scum (transcend is scum), or scum are willing to give us a mislynch by giving transcend his second shot

[Moneybags]

But why are we not continuing on Beef? Why switch to EP? I don't see why you think there is a difference. I don't see why you and Trans would just back off Beef at the last second. I think we should flip Beef and see how it goes instead of trying to switch wagons at the last second.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you mean there's no difference? They don't have the same role PM.

Is it possible that one could be scum and another could be town and by switching off the town we could end up lynching scum?