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[Espeonage]

Ebwop: post was about a50

[Srceenplay]

No policy, no abnormal play, no jarring stances

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I hate meta, but this coupled with the players he had his formative games with feels really bad.

I was a replacement in that game. So context is not exactly the same.

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Post Post #567 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:59 pm
In post 70, wavemode wrote:
Is every single player in this game an alt

Am I an alt?

Side note, I’m assuming it’s 10v3 because I already caught them all.

But look at the bold. One of my first post of that game and I’m announcing I caught scum.

Fixed.

[Espeonage]

Tone is completely different though.

Much less aggressive.

[Srceenplay]

Tone is completely different though.

Much less aggressive.

Again it’s two different points in the game.
If you want to search for something search for another game and read RVS.

[Srceenplay]

Anyway, Espeonage is Town (also somewhat of a VI).

Explain the VI.

[legoboyvdlp]

WTF?
6 pages in a single day? LOL! I'll catch up now.

[legoboyvdlp]

Evidently you guys are doing something wrong.

Come on, I got to L-1 in my first mafia game (and nearly got lynched over my reaction). What's wrong about two votes?

[legoboyvdlp]

I don't want to rock the boat this game, so I'm not going to vote.

No waves from me, captain. Just a good lil tax-paying townie.

Baaaad

Where we going to get our information but from RVS? Have to arrest you, maybe you are tax evading!

[legoboyvdlp]

Reaper's entrance is easily the worst so far. Like I get that it's so overly trolly it's bordering on impossible to analyse but it's also annoying

I want to see more content from A50.

Probs liking Srceenplay the most so far

Pretty much sums up what I think after reading into page 3. Srceenplay does seem a bit worried about 2 votes. And I really, really don't like Reaper's lack of RVS so far.

I'm going to have to watch myself, mentally I still think of you as a confirmed town from my last game...

[legoboyvdlp]

Anyone puts reaper at L-1 I’m going to insta hammer.

Don't.
Bad idea, really. Let him make any claims that he has to make when you post intent to hammer.

[legoboyvdlp]

Screnplay's hammer defense appears weak to me. Espeonage referenced his meta -- I know from my past experience offsite that unless you are really good, your playstyle will change a bit as mafia. But I'm not certain how AI this is. Nothing really stands out so far.

VOTE: mutantdevle
His sole contribution being to vote on "screenplay" in RVS, causing my RVS vote on him... and he hasn't appeared since, so this vote is for his lurking.

[legoboyvdlp]

To be fair, he probably isn't lurking but just hasn't shown up again. I wish he would though. If he does I'll unvote.

[Srceenplay]

It sure looked like you where making a case to vote me but then you didn’t.

[Srceenplay]

Evidently you guys are doing something wrong.

Come on, I got to L-1 in my first mafia game (and nearly got lynched over my reaction). What's wrong about two votes?

I wasn’t talking about anything in particular

[Almost50]

Possibly confbias

But calling the person calling you out town is classic slip play. As is two posts with flailing.

You know what? I don't feel like investing much effort in this game, and especially so as the Team 2018 competition is coming up, so I'll just claim.

The post you referred to as being a Traitor claim was actually a

B

ody

G

uard strong crumb.

B

ad

G

uy,

B

ob

G

eldof,

B

rian

G

leeson,

B

rad

G

arrett. Brad Garrett isn't even Irish to the best of my knowledge.

Anyway, Espeonage is Town (also somewhat of a VI).

Explain the VI.

I just did.

[Almost50]

Now you can all write me off as a suspect and expect me to die on N1/N2 at most. Go look elsewhere.

[Almost50]

VOTE: TheYankeeReaper

I need to be voting for real now, since I won't be in the game long enough to make an impact "when it really counts"

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.

There's an even bigger VI (but I guess I already knew that all along). BG isn't even worth drawing a CC, plus I wasn't under any real pressure to crumb and claim like that. Literally ANY other TPR was more worthy of drawing a CC if I was ever going to do that (and certainly not on D1 still)

[Almost50]

Btw, I don't even mean VI as AI (in the case of Una). This could easily still come from very bad Scum who thought it smart to vote a claimed TRP and be TR'd for it.

[skitter30]

You can put Espeonage on the same list as reaper as well.

Why is Espeonage on the same list as reaper? Like are you pushing him as PL (like reaper), or you find him scummy, or ...?

And that is a completely serious vote. Only happened because of friendship with boon otherwise it would just be null vi behaviour.

People in the group you refer to will lolhammer day1 as town as well, so I'm not sure why you're viewing this is AI *because* he's part of that group? I agree that it's anti-town as fuck, but I don't think it's inherently AI unfortunately, given that I've seen Boon and others lolhammer as town day1.

(Source: here and here)

(I can prob find more if you need me to, but this is what I remembered off the top of my head)

So Espeonage stop trying to fake town emotional frustration.

I kinda agree with this tbh. I think that Esp's either making an uninformed push (ie that he believes that members of that group will only lolhammer as scum and therefore screen is scummy) or a disingenuous one (ie that he's aware that they do this as town too and he's pushing it anyways). I'm tending towards thinking the latter atm tbh.

Esp's framing this as being *both* scummy and pl-worthy. Like which is it? Do you think he's town doing something idiotic and p-l worthy (in which case, why are you framing this as something inherently scummy because of who he likes to play with), or do you think he's actually scummy (in which case, why are you frustrated with him - you think he's scum)? Overall, the frustration feels kinda over the top and fake to me.

I kinda feel like you're leaving both options open atm.

But don't try to remove culpability from yourself by saying something along the lines of "well I did warn them I'd hammer for absolutely no reason so there". This actually reduces our ability to gain info.

I don't know if he's trying to remove culpability from himself for it?

Tbh, it seems to me more like he's announcing what he's going to do and is willing to live with the consequences, whatever they may be, because he thinks that removing reaper from the game is more important than the fallout. I didn't get the vibe that he's trying to make himself unculpable so much as he inherently doesn't care whether or not people view him as culpable.

VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.

???????

He's pretty much self-resolving. What's the point of this? Like if he isn't dead in a few days I def would revisit this, but it's prob going to resolve itself before then, so I don't really see the point of spending much time or effort trying to sort him atm; I'm just going to treat him as town for today and revisit it if he isn't dead soon-ish.

[legoboyvdlp]

It sure looked like you where making a case to vote me but then you didn’t.

Pretty much, yes
I noted what I think is scummy, but I'm not certain just how scummy.

[mutantdevle]

Sleep + college all day = 130+ posts to catch up on.

VOTE: not mafia

We can not let him get to endgame

Ik this is RVS but I would legitimately be on board to policy lynch N_M day 1.

I've never been scum

I thought every game was your scum game?

I don't want to rock the boat this game, so I'm not going to vote.

This post is ironic considering what came after.

VOTE: not mafia

We can not let him get to endgame

Mind elaborating on this?

I'm assuming she is referring to how N_M lost town the game by voting me in a 2v1 MYLO in a game we just finished at the VERY START of the day. No discussion, just a vote; followed by Almost50 hammering as the SK. It was both funny and quite frustrating. But in general, N_M is just a liability. He likes to lol hammer, barely contributes anything meaningful and is just generally trolly. He is either scum, going to be mislynched or is going to fuck us up endgame. Personally, N_M is one of those players that I am always going to be willing to wagon unless they either claim a PR or a confirmed town.

I am voting them. That’s the point.
Why is it hard for you to consider a L-1 a hammer Vote?

I'm not a fan of this playstyle but I can accept and deal with it. I would be willing to adjust my vote with consideration that each of those wagons requires 1 less vote to be lynched if you are not already on them. I will not, however, hold others to the same standard. I will not treat any L-1 voter as though they have just hammered and will likely consider you accountable for that (though this may depend on the situation).

I want to see more content from A50.

No you don't! I'm a bad guy.

I listen to Bob Geldof, watch Brian Gleeson & laugh at the jokes of Brad Garrett. (That's a yuckie combination indeed, Paddy!)

I'll do a quick catch up, but I don't think anyone said anything remarkably AI so far (up to this post I'm responding to)

This feels like a traitor claim.

Why?

Bolded

I'm in agreement with this. I can definitely see this being A50 failing to subtly hint his role. I'm going to view A50 in a biasedly negative way for the duration of this game and I expect him to rise no higher than a scum lean for me.

Also, if I was Mafia (main team) my picks would've been BP+RC+RECRUIT TRAITOR. Why would I want a 3rd member WHO KNOW WHOM THE OTHER TWO ARE out there with no coordination?

This statement means nothing since you are accused of being the traitor and not part of the main team. Furthermore, again telling us what you would have chosen also means nothing. We don't know the setup. For all we know, what you would have chosen could very well be the setup. The only time this would hold any ground would be if we had already caught scum. And since this entire post seems to consist of pure thirst for town cred, I think we just have.

Oh boy I haven't been called vi in years.

Lucky, I get called VI almost every game. I'm starting to think it might be true

VOTE: mutantdevle
His sole contribution being to vote on "screenplay" in RVS, causing my RVS vote on him... and he hasn't appeared since, so this vote is for his lurking.

Yeah, sorry about that. My explanation of that is at the top of the thread. I can assure you, I am no lurker. My meta can be sure to prove that.

The post you referred to as being a Traitor claim was actually a BodyGuard strong crumb. Bad Guy, Bob Geldof, Brian Gleeson, Brad Garrett. Brad Garrett isn't even Irish to the best of my knowledge.

I almost believe this until:

VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.

I feel like this is probably much more likely.

plus I wasn't under any real pressure to crumb and claim like that.

This sentence is scummy IMO. No one was saying you were under pressure to crumb. Also, if there was no reason for you to crumb or claim, why did you? You have literally no reason to crumb BG at all. It's not a role that needs to crumb. Why did you crumb? The only reason someone would make this kind of crumb would be for town cred. Only scum are that thirsty for town cred.



I thought that Almost was just going to sit in my scum lean pile all game due to the potential traitor crumb. However, the scummy BG crumb is enough to make me vote for him since he had NO REASON to crumb BG. Crumbs that involve hiding the letters or words in the post are designed not to be seen until pointed out by the crumber. This is only done in anticipation of having to defend yourself and gain town cred. Not only did Almost NOT need to rectify himself with town cred at the time of this post but BG is also a role that is best not known to anyone and doesn't need to be crumbed nor claimed.

VOTE: Almost50



Sorry about the wall. These would have been individual posts but obviously I was not around to make them. Please don't have a fit over it Elmo <3

[Almost50]

I don't feel like posting the video, but I'm quoting the lyrics nevertheless:

Look at all those idiots
Ooh, look at all those boobs.

An office

A thread full of morons
A

factory

game full of fools
Is it any wonder that I'm singing, singing the blu-u-ues!

VOTE: mutant

This is even more scummy than Una's since mutant did play me twice already (finished games).

mutant+Reaper + "possibly" Una (whom I do know to be very bad at scum hunting, and thus wouldn't put it past Town!him to be this bad, hence the uncertainty)

Now since we don't have an IC (obviously) this means we have the other TPRs (It's very unlikely that Scum will pick less than 3 modifications).

Role Cop should check on Una, the Vig should be shooting one of mutant/Reaper (and that is regardless of whether I get lynched). That leaves the Tracker to do as they wish, and the Goon Cop is a useless role (can only catch the Traitor IF recruited as a full member).

[Srceenplay]

In

post 89, Srceenplay wrote:

You can put Espeonage on the same list as reaper as well.

Why is Espeonage on the same list as reaper? Like are you pushing him as PL (like reaper), or you find him scummy, or ...?

Reaper is not a PL.
The PL is who I’m voting now.
Espeonage I might be changing my mind on. I love let you know if I decide to swap them out.