Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[Kop]

VOTE: Fitz

[havingfitz]

OK...so people (Math, Impede....others?) don't know how to find SKs so they are using POE obtained by eliminating players they don't know how to clear from consideration to focus on players they don't know how to implicate.

= easy mislynch with

12+ days of deadline left

.

Brilliant.

eeny meeny miny VOTE: Impede

I would also vote Math and Kop. Why? Because I am not the SK = better odds they are.

[Mathdino]

longer deadlines are anti-town

i despise the "we have a long deadline" argument, it's great AtE for newbies

you know exactly why i'm trying to shorten the day

what are you hoping to discuss with those 12 days

do you have towncases on people other than me, impede, and kop, because if so now would be the time to share

also what do you think is my or impede's lynch order to victory

[UnaBombaH]

Just to make sure people don't forget/misunderstand my earlier point: IF YOU ARE A VENGEFUL AND YOU GET LYNCHED, CLAIM YOUR SHOT BEFORE THE NIGHT.
That is to eliminate/confirm the small chance that SK has a BP.

Example: I'm Vengeful and get lynched. I declare I will shoot Mathdino.
If there's only one death in the morning and it's NOT Mathdino -> he had a BP -> he was SK.

Scum has no way to manipulate this, but the downside is obviously that we lose two more townies if Vengeful misses the SK.
Then again - we still get to make the decision (or at least the Vengeful does), on who dies, so it's one kill-decision away from the SK.

If I have misunderstood something, please clarify.

[Mathdino]

unabombah why would anyone let themselves get lynched as a vengeful

just claim if you're about to get lynched

[havingfitz]

longer deadlines are anti-town

Quicklynches are are anti-town. Especially those ending in a mislynch.

i despise the "we have a long deadline" argument, it's great AtE for newbies

Whatever suits your objectives. Being on the recieving end of a quicklynch evokes a different opinion. More time = more consideration = more information to work with = good for town.

you know exactly why i'm trying to shorten the day

If you are the SK I absolutely do know. If you are town...see previous points.

what are you hoping to discuss with those 12 days

Who the sk is. I do not know what everyone else is doing...I think Hawk and Una are genuinely trying to figure shit out. I don't know what the fcuk Kop is doing. Or Srceen. And you and Impede seem to be just trying to whittle down the player pool randomly. I haven't had a chance to look at the other 6 players still alive. That's what I would be doing with the remaining time in this day.

do you have towncases on people other than me, impede, and kop, because if so now would be the time to share

No. I've been a bit busy trying to prevent my mislynch.

also what do you think is my or impede's lynch order to victory

How the fcuk would I know? It's not something I have even considered. For anyone.

[Mathdino]

um

if i were on the receiving end of the most likely lynch today i would just write all the cases i have. more information is anti-town because it makes the PR more obvious to SK. if we keep PR alive we can win by PoE

but i wouldn't be spending all of my time fixating on my own lynch, town can afford 2 of those

push your scumreads and defend your townreads
you know i'm pushing you primarily on PoE, there's like nothing to defend against, so don't worry about it

[havingfitz]

Right now, I don't know who to lynch. I pretty much suck at looking for SK tells. But

If I was to guess

who I believe isn't town, it would be Fitz or Screen.

Can't argue against a guess. smh....awesome.

[Mathdino]

I would also vote Math and Kop. Why? Because I am not the SK = better odds they are.

also this is dangerously presumptuous

SK can let town tear itself apart all it wants, they don't NEED to be on the wagon

[havingfitz]

if i were on the receiving end of the most likely lynch today i would just write all the cases i have.

I don't have ANY cases at the minute. This day just opened and I've been in defense mode with what time I have had to spend in here. L-2 and L-1 changes one's posting priorities a bit.

more information is anti-town because

it makes the PR more obvious to SK

. if we keep PR alive we can win by PoE

This is fcuking laughable coming from you considering that you have spent most of this game asking people to claim and figure out what PRs (or suggesting what PRs) there are in the game. Classic.

but i wouldn't be spending all of my time fixating on my own lynch, town can afford 2 of those

You may be prone to sit back and let your lol baseless lynch happen when you are town. I am not. Fcuk off.

push your scumreads and defend your townreads

I will when I have the chance to determine what they are. Hint...you Impede and Kop are at the bottom atm.

you know i'm pushing you primarily on PoE, there's like nothing to defend against, so don't worry about it

Perfect...a case I can not defend against. So why am I not town? You lament not being able to find an SK but for some reason you have eliminated others from consideration...and implicated me...not for any reasons...but because you DIDN'T find reasons with some others.



Here's the deal...I might be able to do a few ISO's on people today to see if I can clear them from consideration or not...but Monday is more realistic.

And L-1 hanging over my head isn't going to make a difference in my limited availability.

[havingfitz]

I would also vote Math and Kop. Why? Because I am not the SK = better odds they are.

also this is dangerously presumptuous

SK can let town tear itself apart all it wants, they don't NEED to be on the wagon

How fcuking hypocritical can you get? You don't have shit for suspecting me other than baseless POE (as you have already stated your inability to SK hunt)...so you have trouble finding SKs...yet you are clearing people from being SK. So people you haven't cleared using your inabilities to clear must be the SK! lollogic.

My comment is not presumptuous...it's absolutely correct. I am not the SK so odds are better that you or Kop or anyone for that matter is.

How is you determination I am the SK any less presumptuous?

You're wasting my time. Is that presumptuous?

[Kop]

UNVOTE:

[Mathdino]

Meh. Completely random lynch (assuming no PR) creates 55% winrate for town. When it gets to that point I tend to start advocating for speedlynches.

If PR claims today and/or gets shot tonight it's 56%. PR claim tomorrow or getting shot tomorrow night gives 58%. PR staying alive until the very end gives a 69% winrate.

We should be lynching between me, fitz, and Impede. Going after other lynch options increases the risk of hitting PR.

[Impede]

Meh. Fitz’s defense is still bad. Lynch.

[Srceenplay]

Where is he at?
I can vote him.

[Srceenplay]

L-?

[Impede]

He and I are both L-2 by my count.

[Impede]

Fitz. We can’t not lynch you. If not today, eventually. Probably true for me as well unfortunately. Just state your reads so we can use it if you flip town.

[Srceenplay]

I’ll hammer either or I suppose

[Hawk]

VLA until Monday Jan 22nd sometime

Sorry guys personal things and other commitments

[UnaBombaH]

Fitz. We can’t not lynch you. If not today, eventually. Probably true for me as well unfortunately. Just state your reads so we can use it if you flip town.

We can not-lynch either of you.
What I have been working on is trying to find the win-con for each individual slot, and thus I have re-checked all the NKs and associations between the remaining slots.

And I've realized SK-hunting is nothing like scumhunting, AT ALL. I just think that it's 50/50 between the most "lurky-in the shadows" -type of player, and the most vocal and controlling one.

I think Mathdino has to die today or tomorrow - he is too good of a player for me to trust on anything. (Shitty reason, I know)
So if not him today, I'd say havingfitz might be the logical choice.

[Mathdino]

literally the worst reason

why would i act this way as SK if i wanted to lay low and not get shot or JK'd

like for whatever reason it doesn't matter how i play in the open queue or really how active/smart i am, it's hard to lynch me

i didn't NEED to put this much into the game lol

furthermore i ended yesterday literally thinking Ghost had to have been a hider

doesn't that seem like kind of an idiotic kill

[Mathdino]

also keep in mind that the hider plan all that time ago (back when i thought there was a 55% chance of there being a hider) actively hurts me

because people are highly likely to want to hide behind me or check me since i'm getting townread all the time

that plan adds extra ways for me to get myself caught as SK

[Mathdino]

EBWOP: actively hurts SK-me

basically there's a ton of things i've done this game that would just make it harder in the end

- Hider plan
- Constantly WIFOMing whether or not I'm actually a PR (the point of that was to draw the NK, I can give specific examples)
- Attempted gamebreaking (this hurts SK as much as mafia)
- Asking for JK protection after guessing no Doc exists
- Trying to town-clear as many people as possible

Now in retrospect we know town only had 2 PRs the whole time. But SK-me wouldn't have known that, and wouldn't have known we'd end up in this position. I habitually break game setups, yeah, but not to the point of suicide. Every one of those 5 points had the opportunity to massively backfire on me.

And saying that SK has a 1-shot Bulletproof Vest isn't a good reason. Mafia would immediately know who the SK is and could either kill me again or push hard to get me lynched.

[UnaBombaH]

Sometimes I wish you didn't defend yourself so actively.