Mini 1979: Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[TheGoldenParadox]

Hello everyone,
I can't wait to play with you all.
A couple things about me;
I will be V/LA until the 7th, so please don't ask me extremely comprehensive questions.
I much prefer Paradox or TGDParadox to TGP, but feel free to use any of them.
I'm pretty new, So yeah.
Setup B is by far the most boring for me.
And lastly, VOTE: Schism cause I kinda hate u right now.

[TheGoldenParadox]

If you think lovers are worse than millers then I think it's 99%+ of the time actually.

Again it's speculation you are basing it on the fact YOU think Miller's are better than Lovers yet you have acknowledged not everyone would think the same.

A 10% chance of being a Town Cop Lover with a 90% chance of being a Town Cop is worth it in most situations. Someone (I'm too lazy to go back through the thread and figure out who) said that Town Cop is marginally worse in this situation. True, but that also makes the dying of a Town Cop Lover marginally less harmful to the town.
However, also factoring in the fact that even an extra townie dying is bad, and we don't know if this setup is balanced

at all,

and we don't know what the other two cards were, trying to draw any reasonable conclusions from the fact that thenewearth's discard was Town Lover Cop is kinda hard.
But carry on! Let's see if we can get any good day out of Earth's response.

[TheGoldenParadox]

P-edit; on the last line, I said day, it was actually data.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Also, just for transparency, since basically everyone's doing this,
My setup A would have been Werewolf Tracker, discarding Cult 1-shot Black Goo-erizer
My setup C would have been a (Wild card) One Shot Kingmaker, discarding VT

[TheGoldenParadox]

RQS:

1. Whats a good Story you have read/watched/played?
2. If you had a superpower, what would it be?
3. What is your favorite mafia PR and why?

We're going to play the RQS have now are we. Okay;
1:I love the Artemis Fowl series, and have done so since I was like 4.
2: I would have the ability to control time.
3: My favorite Mafia PR is GF with investigation+NK immunity.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Tbf talking about how thenewearth dying would be less harmful to town as a cop, we don't know what role he has taken on though either he could have taken a role very beneficial to town, he also could've taken a valuable role for any anti town faction and is rather vote people on how they play and not on what they discarded.

Thank you, that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

[TheGoldenParadox]

"Eager to please" I made that point first BTW. I'm not eager to please any of you. Trust me.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Huh... I actually didn't vote TGP?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TGP

What's

your

scumread on me for?

[TheGoldenParadox]

No need to defend me Diamond, in fact it's kind of weird that you did...

I have no intention of taking day 1 seriously. By all means continue though.

That doesn't look good to me; not taking day 1 seriously can mean the difference between winning and losing.
VOTE: Lucky2u

[TheGoldenParadox]

Ok, let's play this game.
I claim permanent King, and I would like to activate it now.
Lucky, any last words?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Happy 2018, mafiascum.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

How should I put it?
His posts in general sounds kinda too... "fit to please?"

Youre town but your votes suck.


Because hes town and you were voting him because he discarded a named townie.

What makes you so indeniably sure that HST is town?
Also, you were around like along about the "I claim permanent King" thing.
That was a joke, as you would have figured out if you read like half the page preceding my post.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Can't you have a scum hero is this setup?

Yes. If you draw a scum role and use it for alignment, then use your hero for power, you could theoretically have a scum hero; although hero is kinda useless as the only thing that it's useful for us the 1-shot kingmaker which I already got in setup C. So, scum hero or town hero, in setup B they're both equally useless.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Oh... I was under the assumption that they were picked from the same deck.

@mod

please help...

[TheGoldenParadox]

Cards all come from the same deck

, this means that after randomizing the list of cards, if there's for example 7 Vanilla Townie cards, no more than 7 cards can exist across the entire playerlist.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Does this mean per setup though, out across all serious?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Sorry, "out" was actually "or", "serious" was actually "setups".
I hate autocorrect.

[TheGoldenParadox]

The only thing I'm weary about is that he didn't immediately jump on Schism for RQSing.

wait someone RQS'd?

I don't think RQS'ing after RVS'ing is still RQS'ing

He RQSed before RVS I believe.

[TheGoldenParadox]

RQS:

1. Whats a good Story you have read/watched/played?
2. If you had a superpower, what would it be?
3. What is your favorite mafia PR and why?

It was more in the middle of RVS than anything else.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Does flavor have anything to do with this (i. e. can we get any info from the fact that hopkirk drowned whereas sentinel was killed by sword?)

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

How should I put it?
His posts in general sounds kinda too... "fit to please?"

Youre town but your votes suck.

People have also Shit all over hst, which ruined the wagon.

Because hes town and you were voting him because he discarded a named townie.

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HST, stop being stupid. Give me real scumreads, your votes are lol worthy.

Btw, Scum is in Kokichi, Lucky, Maybe Wilky, and a special someone who won't be named yet. Id rather not let his/her Identity be revealed yet until I get a case set up.

VOTE: Kokichi

First of all, why haven't you revealed that special someone yet? Holding back important info, even after the day ends, and we're almost halfway through d2, makes me think you were either lying about that someone existing or you figured outing them would hurt your faction.
Both of these plays look scummy

Second, I said this but I'll repeat it,

what made you so sure that HST is town, and do you still think that?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Killed is the kill flavour not what's in the write up. So y'all can get back to the game now.

Thoughts on everyone downplaying scum numbers is scum?

saying that there are nine townies alive specifically seems odd to me. given that all the game needed to be valid was a town majority at start and that three or so townies are already dead, all of the various scum factions could theoretically have a majority already, no?

But one anti-town has also left the game.

[TheGoldenParadox]

My reads right now, in order from towniest to scummiest:

northsidegal-Leaning town. She's doing a pretty good job scum hunting and pushing reads.

Kokichi- Leaning town. That hammer was very townie and I doubt that even gutsy scum would have hammered in that situation. Not a great job scum hunting, but not bad either. This is another reason Schism seems scummy, for voting Kokichi.

TNE- slightly leaning town. Even with his not-so-grand entrance, he's done a decent job scum hunting. This is probably my read most likely to change.

Assemble-Null. Not really enough posts for me to determine alignment.

Wisdom-I don't even know what this garbage is. 6 posts, with 2 naked votes and one two sentence reads list with no info, there's nothing for me to determine alignment, so null.

Schism-Null/Leaning Scum. His recent posts on page 10 coupled with his starting posts make me think he's scum unwilling to bus espen+HST. However, his late d1 posts give me a town impression, so...

Espeonage-Looks pretty scummy based on some starting d1 play. Jumping off the HST wagon to start attacking lucky the second there was a decent case against him looks pretty scummy to me here.

HST-I'm leaning scum. The fact that Espeonage jumped off his wagon the second there was another one and that Schism thinks he's deftown makes me think that HST+Espeonage+Schism could be a scum faction.

[TheGoldenParadox]

My reads right now, in order from towniest to scummiest:

northsidegal-Leaning town. She's doing a pretty good job scum hunting and pushing reads.

Kokichi- Leaning town. That hammer was very townie and I doubt that even gutsy scum would have hammered in that situation. Not a great job scum hunting, but not bad either. This is another reason Schism seems scummy, for voting Kokichi.

TNE- slightly leaning town. Even with his not-so-grand entrance, he's done a decent job scum hunting. This is probably my read most likely to change.

Assemble-Null. Not really enough posts for me to determine alignment.

Wisdom-I don't even know what this garbage is. 6 posts, with 2 naked votes and one two sentence reads list with no info, there's nothing for me to determine alignment, so null.

Schism-Null/Leaning Scum. His recent posts on page 10 coupled with his starting posts make me think he's scum unwilling to bus espen+HST. However, his late d1 posts give me a town impression, so...

Espeonage-Looks pretty scummy based on some starting d1 play. Jumping off the HST wagon to start attacking lucky the second there was a decent case against him looks pretty scummy to me here.

HST-I'm leaning scum. The fact that Espeonage jumped off his wagon the second there was another one and that Schism thinks he's deftown makes me think that HST+Espeonage+Schism could be a scum faction.

And if I'm town, how will this flip?

Because, ya know, you're doing all these:
1) Calling 3 people scum based on tied association
2) Making those associations without any flips
3) Not voting any of those three while making the statements above.

Oh also, please quote where TNE is "scumhunting," so I don't accidentally assume that you just listed that town/null reads purely based on the post counts.

I'm having problems with voting in all of my games right now. When I get back I'll try again.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Roles are out, Please dont forget to reply with your role choices.

Sorry everyone; when I said TNE I meant assemble, and when I said assemble I meant TNE.
I'm stupid.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Schism I feel is the most dangerous of the three, and the best one to start a wagon on.
I'll try to do a vote.
VOTE: Schism
Let's hope this works.

[TheGoldenParadox]

YES
It worked

[TheGoldenParadox]

My reads right now, in order from towniest to scummiest:

northsidegal-Leaning town. She's doing a pretty good job scum hunting and pushing reads.

Kokichi- Leaning town. That hammer was very townie and I doubt that even gutsy scum would have hammered in that situation. Not a great job scum hunting, but not bad either. This is another reason Schism seems scummy, for voting Kokichi.

TNE- slightly leaning town. Even with his not-so-grand entrance, he's done a decent job scum hunting. This is probably my read most likely to change.

Assemble-Null. Not really enough posts for me to determine alignment.

Wisdom-I don't even know what this garbage is. 6 posts, with 2 naked votes and one two sentence reads list with no info, there's nothing for me to determine alignment, so null.

Schism-Null/Leaning Scum. His recent posts on page 10 coupled with his starting posts make me think he's scum unwilling to bus espen+HST. However, his late d1 posts give me a town impression, so...

Espeonage-Looks pretty scummy based on some starting d1 play. Jumping off the HST wagon to start attacking lucky the second there was a decent case against him looks pretty scummy to me here.

HST-I'm leaning scum. The fact that Espeonage jumped off his wagon the second there was another one and that Schism thinks he's deftown makes me think that HST+Espeonage+Schism could be a scum faction.

And if I'm town, how will this flip?

Because, ya know, you're doing all these:
1) Calling 3 people scum based on tied association
2) Making those associations without any flips
3) Not voting any of those three while making the statements above.

Oh also, please quote where TNE is "scumhunting," so I don't accidentally assume that you just listed that town/null reads purely based on the post counts.

Also, I said it's

possible

that you were a scum team, I'm not necessarily calling you scum.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Ok experiment for everyone.

You get given the following role cards:
Vanilla Scum Faction
Town low power PR
Town Negative utility

What do you pick?

And one more.
Scum PR
Scum negative utility
Town anything not op

what do you pick?

Honesty will go well here.

1: Town low power PR
2: Scum PR

[TheGoldenParadox]

VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I don't like this. What's you're scumread on North?
Also, I'm scum reading you for the vig shot. Kokichi may be scum, but I think that if you got 1-shot dayvig + any scum faction, you'd choose scum for alignment because that would be a little bit OP.
VOTE: Schism

[TheGoldenParadox]

i pick town for alignments and the pr in both cases. i'm really bad at being scum and haven't found it that fun in my limited experience.

I was scum once in my first game.
It ended horribly. My partner was lynched d1 and the cop got a guilty result on me n1.

[TheGoldenParadox]

No I mean why not throw gov and not tourist?

Because... idk. Didnt think about it since I got all town anyways.

VOTE: Assemble

I don't like this vote, in attentions to the reasons listed below.

VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I don't like this. What's you're scumread on North?
Also, I'm scum reading you for the vig shot. Kokichi may be scum, but I think that if you got 1-shot dayvig + any scum faction, you'd choose scum for alignment because that would be a little bit OP.
VOTE: Schism

Espeon has played well and is scum hunting more on a second look, while HST looks better again on a second look, so they both are now null in my eyes.
Schism has just played more and more scummy since the dayvig announcement, so I'm moving him to the bottom of my scumreads.
I think Schism is almost definitely scum.
VOTE: Schism

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: north

VOTE: north

wtf is this nonsense
North is pretty obvtown considering the last game I played with her

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: north

VOTE: north

wtf is this nonsense
North is pretty obvtown considering the last game I played with her

how are you basing your read on me this game off of that game? just on the fact that my posting seems similar?

Her posting is different than that game.

Shes kinda... sloppy tbh.

in what way? also,

I meta'd you, and played a game with you, and your posting seems very similar to your town game, not so much to your scum game.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Can my townreads vote someone please?

Why? So you can sheep them?

[TheGoldenParadox]

I don't like the north wagon.

Vote: wisdom

Agreed.
VOTE: Wisdom

[TheGoldenParadox]

VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I don't like this. What's you're scumread on North?
Also, I'm scum reading you for the vig shot. Kokichi may be scum, but I think that if you got 1-shot dayvig + any scum faction, you'd choose scum for alignment because that would be a little bit OP.
VOTE: Schism

No I mean why not throw gov and not tourist?

Because... idk. Didnt think about it since I got all town anyways.

VOTE: Assemble

I don't like this vote, in attentions to the reasons listed below.

VC resets, btw.

VOTE: North for now. Idk. Probably get paradox if kokichi flips antitown

I don't like this. What's you're scumread on North?
Also, I'm scum reading you for the vig shot. Kokichi may be scum, but I think that if you got 1-shot dayvig + any scum faction, you'd choose scum for alignment because that would be a little bit OP.
VOTE: Schism

Espeon has played well and is scum hunting more on a second look, while HST looks better again on a second look, so they both are now null in my eyes.
Schism has just played more and more scummy since the dayvig announcement, so I'm moving him to the bottom of my scumreads.
I think Schism is almost definitely scum.
VOTE: Schism

You're joking. "Refusal to elaborate"?

[TheGoldenParadox]

omg rn wisdom looks like a goddamn judas

[TheGoldenParadox]

Are you guys kidding me? I'm almost 100% sure north is town. Gamma, actually try to read people instead of jumping on the most stupid wagon of all time. You're better than that.

[TheGoldenParadox]

We have less than three days and there are three wagons with 2 people on them.

Time to start talking compromises.

I want Wis, I will be willing to vote tne in a pinch.

I'm willing to vote Wisdom or TNE if necessary.

Agreed compromise, because of LA Wis is less of a threat plus I can make a difference by voting TNE
VOTE: TNE

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: Paradox

why isnt he?

Why are we the only ones that can be lynched today? WTF mod?

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: Paradox

Ok thanks.
Gladiator is a powerful scum role obviously now looking at it. Which means that the gladiator is most likely scum because if they drew a scum role they could use that for role.
Which actually strongly raises the chances that NSG and I are town, because the gladiator is most likely scum, and eliminating their full faction from the lynch pool means that the chances are raised that we are town.
If my calculations are correct. Anyone good at Gr or GI please correct me if I'm wrong.
If I'm right though, our best option is to No Lynch, so VOTE: No Lynch

[TheGoldenParadox]

OK my quotes are going all awry. I definitely didn't quote that post.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Why are people no lynching in potential lylo again

Because the other two options are generally townread by players who have

looked back over the thread

Since there may not be a NK, the question is,

is a massclaim going to help us

?
Remember that cult only have a

1-shot recruit that they can use once over the course of the game.

unless someone got 2 cult roles and one of them was black goo and they chose cult black goo? (which is extremely unlikely btw)
I agree that we could have an alien+cult.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Because we think we should massclaim but we dont know.
Think about it: If there is only alien+cult, and alien have already used their shot, then the worst the cult can do is recruit our strongest PR. Then we can no lynch until our PRs do their magic.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Ok so we're claiming now.
My cards were VT (alignment) and Mason(role) plus the Lover I discarded.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Esp, Wis, and HST, cards?

[TheGoldenParadox]

popcorn is stupid, claim while you're here.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Remember that we have 5 no lynches.

After massclaim, choosing to lynch without more than 2 is an automatic scumclaim.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Wait scum have daytalk here?

[TheGoldenParadox]

@mod-requesting a NSG prod

[TheGoldenParadox]

@NSG

If your next posts doesn't contain a claim or a great reason why you're stalling and not claiming that's an automatic scumclaim.
Tbf lots of reasons not to post at all during a massclaim so I prob won't hold it against her as much as others here but NSG if you don't you'll prob be lynched.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Ol she had an ample chance to claim but she didn't so I'll take that as a scumclaim.

I blocked north so can we pls lynch north

Oh just saw this.
VOTE: NSG I'm sorry but your play has been deteriorating and I see some scumtells.