Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Beefster]

I think I was wrong about RC. Maybe. I think I'll have to see how things pan out, but I was probably overreacting/overthinking. His claim gets the BOTD for now.

Three basically confirmed town on the Beef wagon.
COA, Moneybags, mozamis are the three that aren't confirmed.

Care to elaborate? I think you're onto something, but I want to pick your brain.

That's currently where my suspicion lies.

[Klick]

Elaborate on what exactly? It was basically analysis of who could potentially be scum hopping on your lynch. COA is super town, Moneybags is a town read, and I'm still not convinced of moz-scum (though that's probably where my vote will go if I HAVE to choose someone on your wagon).

I think scum could have been avoiding your wagon. They could have thought your vote could easily fuel itself and found safe places to plant themselves instead. See: the Flubber wagon.

[Beefster]

I just want to understand why you say 3 are basically confirmed town. I don't think I follow your logic.

[Beefster]

I'm also confused as to which 3 you think are town.

[Klick]

Flubber - should be confirmed town when the mod next posts, claimed IC
Transcend - should be confirmed town when there are two kills tonight
RC - the third PR unless anyone would like to claim otherwise

[Maxous]

After we get confirmation of Flubber's IC status everyone either needs to confirm they are not a PR or counter-claim.
since we have 3 claims we'll sort all this out today.
we;ll either have 3 confirmed town or a guaranteed scum within the claims

[Transcend]

WHO SAID FLUBBER WAS TOWN


THIS GUY

THIS GUY RIGHT HERE

YOU ARE ALL DOG SHIT AT THIS GAME

JUST STOP TRYING

LYNCH WHOEVER THE FUCK
LET ME VIG THE ENTIRE FUCKING SCUM TEAM AGAIN

JESUS CHRIST

[Transcend]

fuck you rc

i'm taking control

VOTE: coa

scum on the beefster lynch

not mozamis.

[Transcend]

i also made an informative post somewhere about competing wagons

[Transcend]

In a world where Beef and Flubz are town:

1. RC

2. Moneybags

3. Trans

4. Moz
5. CoA

6. Flub

Flubbernugget

(3): texcat, Thor665, Moneybags

Beefster

(3): mozamis, CultOfAthena, Flubbernugget

Either there's scum in the competing wagons and/or scum in the voters.

THIS IS KINDA BAD NEWS BEARS FOR MONEYBAGS


VOTE: moneybags

[Transcend]

interested to hear tex's and thor's thought processes with flub's reveal though

[Transcend]

"WE SHALL LYNCH BEEFSTER HE IS THE OBVSCUM VOTE: BEEFSTER I AM THE BEST EVER BLA BLA BLA

"duhhhh sure rc VOTE: beefster"

"OBVTOWN OBVTOWN OBVTOWN OBVTOWN"

"hey dudes beef is prob town let's not vote him VOTE: elsewhere"

"curse that damn dog, he derailed my attempt to mislynch a townie! i need a plan b quick"

"I AM THE GREAT AND MIGHTY THOR. WE SHALL LYNCH FLUBBER VOTE: FLUBBER"

"i think this will do, VOTE: flubber"

VOTE: Moneybags

[Transcend]

I believe Transcend. His and PP's behaviour can also be explained by them being PR.
I feel better about RC, I probably just had a bad first impression.
Max is town.
Mox is town but off his rocker.

VOTE: Beefster

Sorry, I actually meant to respond to you. I see what you mean about the lynches, I agree with you.
I'm not sure if I agree with that exact argument about flub. I do think its time I get off the fence though, and I'm not sold on any of the other options. Scum being in the beef wagon makes a lot of sense vs anything else I've come up with.

Transcend if you go back and read coa's post where they voted you'll see they actually put effort in and had a solid reason to vote beef. If it's anyone in the wagon it's probably flub.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

IN BOTH OF THESE VOTES HE DOESNT SAY A SINGLE FUCKING WORD ABOUT WHY HES VOTING THE PERSON HE IS VOTING

[Transcend]

okay only the first one


but the second one is a fairly weak vote

[Transcend]

weksauce

[Moneybags]

UNVOTE:

I want to get off Mr Bone's Wild Ride

[Moneybags]

Trans I literally just explained this to moz yesterday when he said the same thing. Read the game pls

[Moneybags]

No wait it was you. You said this when I voted flubber and I mentioned how before you placed in I made multiple wall posts about flub. I had made suspicions of beef as well. Am I supposed to be quoting those every time I vote?

[Moneybags]

Tbh I have literally no idea who to vote now though so I can't even say I blame you. All my read have been crap though so unfortunately not much of value will be gained.

[Transcend]

what you should be doing is scumcasing coa because if mozamis is scum he's a mastermind

[Transcend]

we both agree (:

[Moneybags]

I mean at this point it doesn't really matter. If I live long enough to be in a lylo situation whatever scum is left will be able to reference how I was on nearly ever major wagon. Not that it matters that they were people I already suspected, apparently. I was just trying to get a lynch in on someone I thought was scummy. But now you're very close to confirmed town, beef was apparently a dead end, and the guy I've been riding almost all game was the IC. It's easier to come to the conclusion that I've just been pushing a mislynch all game than to say I'm just really bad. Rip me man.

I don't see CoA. In retrospect the only thing I can figure is that by going at PP she was trying to get an easy target that was already under fire. She made a good point or two that me and I think HWS were sold on. She's making contributing posts just not a lot.
HWS is pretty new so I can see them being cautious just in as an unaffiliated player.
Max is just a more reserved towny.
Moz is moz
EP has contributed less than CoA but that could be largely from IRL stuff.
Thor doesn't always make the best cases but I can see he's trying to accomplish something. Him tunneling the IC all game doesn't look very good now that I think about it but that doesn't sell me on scum!Thor.
Klick is solidly town
I don't think I ever landed back on a new Beef opinion other than "not scum apparently"
Tex is lurking but I see town effort from them.
Then you (Trans) and RC are town.

So yeah. That leaves me with nothing to go on with the exception of maybe Thor. Unless we lynch a lurker. But if I'm part of that it absolutely makes me a liability in a lylo situation.

[Transcend]

ur probably gonna need to hard push on someone or im ust gonna lynch u

ur not soundin town anymore either

[Thor665]

Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

What re-evaluation?

Yeah, I have time to talk about this now.

First, we can dissect all the lamist bullshit in 632. I misread it as a re-evaluation as opposed to a flat-out submission, but my issue in it lies elsewhere. First, "saying lynch me for info" doesn't solve the game. It absolves you from having to take responsibility for your actions, and it flat-out

does not

assist town. It gives you a free pass to do nothing, which is actually creating

less

information for town.

Lets look at this compared to the rest of your ISO. There's no frustration. There's no considerations or evaluations that your reads may actually be wrong. There's just this "gut" thing being thrown out to look good.

But...very interestingly...your scum reads got called out for the entirety of the page before 632. You got caught, and cracked under the pressure.

My town read on you stemmed from you being self-aware, but I now see that it was just a sign of you needing to leave your reads open to hide from suspicion.

I dinged Beefster for bad logic earlier in the game and he admitted it was bad logic and adjusted.
How does that reaction fit into this theory case of yours?

I have never indicated in any way shape or form that I agreed with your meta read.
I have repeatedly indicated I thought your reads were made up and asked you to back them up.
I agree it's a small thing - which is why your inability/refusal to provide it is a big thing.

Please prove you weren't lying to try to call me scum in a scummy way.
Any century now?

This is a lie.

You did not ask me to back my reads up. You asked me to back my meta read of you up (apparently...I still think you used wishy washy language to give yourself breathing room for a push). I had a whole wall of town reads you have made no mention of, yet you still have evidence that I'm faking my reads? hahaha no.

You never actually commented on why I thought tex was scum. You voted me on some other fake grounds as to how I'm reading you.

You voting for me over texcat and then backpedaling to explain why I am scum shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

You pushing me to be attentive to the game at a higher standard than other players shows preferential treatment of one player to another. That is scum motivated.

There are a lot of whines here.
None of them are backing up your BS meta claim.

You better be IC - it's the only way my vote is coming off you.

[Transcend]

thor pls