Most of it has been grumpiness rather than hostility if that gives you better context for where my headspace was at.Spiff wrote:I don’t want to make a fight or anything, which Spiffeh tried to label my posts as.
So for the most part you have felt hostile towards me, so when I respond, yeah I am going to joke to relieve tension
My true answer is I think Spiffeh is scum and I can’t describe it in great detail without just making up words and bullshiting just to make a case, which I don’t do. Maybe I am fear scumreading him maybe not. There’s no questions I have for him right now so just feel like observing and making snippy comments
I’m town dude
Yeah I can see that.In post 1026, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm kind of in a place where I feel like you're scum with the way you're approaching things now though?
It was a "claim" that was obviously never going to stick unless they are either actually masons or scum together in which case why claim so early? So what is he even trying to accomplish as scum? He's either joking or genuinely reaction testing. With that in mind, when Tora reacted, Mulch told us Tora is town regardless of his own alignment. If Mulch is town, he says it proves his reaction test is genuine and Tora is town. If Mulch flips scum, he says Tora is still town. This serves no purpose for Mulch as scum unless again they are BOTH scum. I did town read Tora's reaction, so that makes that unlikely for me. So yeah, the whole thing does NOTHING for scum-Mulch but for town-Mulch it helped him read Tora and in his mind prove Tora's alignment to the rest of us as well.In post 1023, Kagami wrote:Walk me through it again, specifically the part where scum-mulch has already claimed a masonry with Toranaga, and then you believe he likely exits it in a fashion other than the way he did.In post 1021, Kmd4390 wrote:My posts on the subject have been as clear as I can get.In post 1016, Kagami wrote:It's true that I'm entirely unsure where you're coming from.
Sorry if that was a me thing.In post 1033, Firebringer wrote:There’s been only one point in this game I’ve been frustrated and my team helped me calm down instead of having me post a bitch fit
Basically, free towncred; I can easily see scum-mulch doing this to town-Toranga if he assumes that toranga is going to be townread either way, especially since mulch may have thought of it during pregame/may have been thinking about it before then when he saw he was getting scum role PM. Basically I just don't think there's any negative utility to doing it as scum if he was under the assumption that toranga was going to be obvtown, and there is simple positive utility in it giving him potential towncred/him later being able to say "look at me, i broke my scum meta!"Kmd wrote:It was a "claim" that was obviously never going to stick unless they are either actually masons or scum together in which case why claim so early? So what is he even trying to accomplish as scum?
This interests me, because the only time I've ever seen Spiffeh play was in another Ether-mod game where he looked to me obvtown but was mislynched. In this game I feel like I agree with a fair number of his points, but don't townread him. Is he normally an easy read as town?Cheet wrote:At the very least I feel like I should be townreading you by now and I'm not. There's a particular lack of oomph to what you're doing this game and this careful tiptoeing/pokey approach to me/Spiff that I don't really think townYou does.
Was talking about Firebringer, not Spiff.In post 1039, Patrick wrote:This interests me, because the only time I've ever seen Spiffeh play was in another Ether-mod game where he looked to me obvtown but was mislynched. In this game I feel like I agree with a fair number of his points, but don't townread him. Is he normally an easy read as town?
I’m not that invested yet and my heart isn’t in it.In post 1036, Cheetory6 wrote:If you're town I feel like it really shouldn't be hard to make it obvious if you're actually feeling invested in the game [or at least that's how I've felt with every game with townYou where you've been invested in the game]. So when I see stuff like a big readlist from you and I don't feel "hey this is town Firebringer" it just feeds into this sense of paranoia I'm having that you're more concerned with keeping up appearances with Spiff and I than you actually are with finding scum here.
This was based on these two posts about Cheetory:In post 1022, Firebringer wrote:I don’t want to make a fight or anything, which Spiffeh tried to label my posts as.
which I interpreted as unwarranted, negative statements and given that you know Cheet's history with being sensitive (not meant as an insult) with stuff like that I didn't see why you thought these posts were necessaryIn post 493, Firebringer wrote:Why the hell r u in a terrible mood is my first question?
In post 807, Spiffeh wrote:@Ginngie I found this post from Cheetory compellingI haven't read the last 5 or so pages though so maybe my opinions will change who knows!??!?!?!?In post 477, Cheetory6 wrote:Okay. Your job is to start working on being town if you are town then.Cabd wrote:Okay cheet your job is to keep me sane. Any time I am getting not-sane, please pull me back from the brink.
Do you think it's possible for me to have a very good read on kagami given their posts to present?
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I don't really have much experience with Kagami, but I think there are things that they've posted that are pokeable in general. The defense on Una was interesting enough, wouldn't be hard to get some kind of feeling for whether they're legitimately trying to sort Una there or if they're just WKing to generate content. Could ask them about an update on his Spiff read. Or what about the Mulch case that Transcend posted that they finds compelling.
I just kind of overly feel like your post was easy commentary and the Kagami thing was at best kind of lazy and at worst you, as scum, trying to overexplain your thought process to seem like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything.
You said you haven't read yet which is all fine and dandy, but you have my attention for when you do catch-up atm. And I'm unfortunately too dumb to just let things happen so I could get a more natural read on you :')
Kagami I'd like your response to this and I'm also interested in who else I should be town reading based on this Team Mafia metaIn post 966, Spiffeh wrote:Cheetory and implosion are people I expected to be town based on their team composition and their gameplay so far has confirmed that for me
In a similar way I thought both you and Aristophanes (Aristophanes more so) would be town based on your team compositions but your play so far has not convinced me of it.
I think it's stupid to completely write people off just based on the nature of Team Mafia but it's fine as a starting point.
Who are your town reads then, based on Team Mafia meta?
I don't think Mulch as scum makes such a big show of how town Tora is.In post 1035, Kagami wrote:So you meant "I don't think scum-mulch claims masons with town-tora?"
The exit means nothing. Like I said, the claim was never sticking unless they were actually masons or scum together and in either of those cases they don't claim in RVS. The exit was inevitable.Kagami wrote:Kmd, the exit is scum-indicative if anything, since town-mulch is reasonably likely to come to a different conclusion from the "reaction test."
Nope. It meant nothing to me when he first claimed. My instinct was just to wait and see what Tora says.Kagami wrote:If you believe the entry makes him town, then thats one thing, but that's not at all what you said.
I dunno. The way he went into it being regardless of how he flips and don't worry about his own alignment because Tora is confirmed town regardless doesn't make me think he was after any town cred. It seems like if he'd been lynched he'd go "oh well at least I confirmed Tora as town".Implosion wrote:Basically, free towncred; I can easily see scum-mulch doing this to town-Toranga if he assumes that toranga is going to be townread either way, especially since mulch may have thought of it during pregame/may have been thinking about it before then when he saw he was getting scum role PM. Basically I just don't think there's any negative utility to doing it as scum if he was under the assumption that toranga was going to be obvtown, and there is simple positive utility in it giving him potential towncred/him later being able to say "look at me, i broke my scum meta!"
I sort of agree that it's somewhat unlikely to come from scum mulch who thinks he might have been able to get away with a mislynch on toranga.
I mean I wouldn't call it turmoil. Mathdino and I actually sync pretty well together from the little bit of recent experience I have with him. It's just we got opposite impressions on this game when we read it. He has more experience with unabomb than I do so maybe I need to default to him on that read. I think we still disagree on Transcend but we haven't talked much about him. We just disagreed on some reads. It's bound to happen from time to time. I'd be pretty shocked if anyone could honestly tell me that across five games their teams agree on every read. The difference is probably that Mathdino is more vocal and assertive than most people. Which is fine. It just came off wrong I think.Patrick wrote:I feel alot better about implosion and Unabomba. I'm unsure if I'm just seeing ghosts on KMD because he's posted alot of stuff relevant to the game and talked about a good number of people, but I get an empty feeling from the apparent internal turmoil in his team about reads in this game, whereas I feel like I often townread that kind of thing. No clue on Cabd, and Kagami seems entirely unimpressive so far. Probably worth a read of 4:8 Nightless, but that'll have to be for another day. I'd like to hear from Aris, but comments from Cheet/implosion suggest to me that slot is not worth focussing on now.
