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OK...so I have done a cursory look over the game (a little set up/all votes & flips) on my phone and have some observations/questions. All out of context atm. Also…if something pertains to a player who replaced out I’m just referring to the replacement.
D1:
Two wagons battled it out for the lynch. mutantdevle and pisskop both were the frontrunners most of the day and each spent time at L-1. Both were town.
Players still alive who were onat L-2+ :mutantAster,
LUV, NSG,sheep, texcat,Viomi
Players still alive who were onat L-2+ :pisskopAster, havingfitz, KidAdm,LUV,momo,sheep
Viomi
So Aster, LUV, sheep and Viomi were on both mislynch wagons and at a point where they were committed (they seriously wanted the lynch).
Aster did get off both wagons at L-2 (not sure if that is good or bad) and Viomi hopped off mutant right after Aster. I want to look closer at these 4 players and the circumstances around their votes.
N1….not familiar with MisaTange so can’t tell why she was the NK. She was voting Aster to end the day. Don’t know how serious she was or how good her case was. Need to look closer.
D2:
Three wagons dominated D2. Viomi, sheep and Chip.
Players still alive who were onat L-2+ :ChipAster, Creature,LUV,momo, NSG,sheep, texcat
The Viomi and sheep wagons are still undetermined flips. Here are the voters for future reference.
Players still alive who were on sheep at L-2+ :Aster, havingfitz, KidAdm, , momo, NSG,Viomi
Players still alive who were on Viomi at L-2+ :LUV, KidAdm, , momo,sheep, texcat
So for taking D1 and D2 into account and looking at common participants in the two mislynches…Aster, LUV, momo and sheep all warrant a closer look.
Of the two wagons that are on unknown alignments…I think the Viomi one would be the most benefit knowing because that felt like the stronger wagon. The sheep wagon was very briefly at L-1 and flirted with L-2 on and off for most of the day.
If Viomi is town I think suspicion would reflect strongest on KidAdm,LUV, momo andsheep.
If Viomi is scum I think suspicion would reflect strongest on those not voting…primarilyAlsterand to a lesser extent; Creature, havingfitz and NSG.
If sheep is town I think suspicion would reflect strongest onAster, havingfitz, KidAdm, momo andViomi.
If sheep is scum I think suspicion would reflect strongest on those not voting… Creature,LUVand texcat.
N2…I have no idea why mutant was the NK. He really only pushed Chip. I don’t know if a claim was involved. Is there a chance he was killed by someone other than scum?
D3:
The two main wagons are currently on NSG and texcat. NSG’s seems to be mainly for the Chip hammer and I have not idea/insight into the texcat wagon. I did look a little closer at the circumstances on the Chip hammer when Creature asked me to vote NSG and I will say this…I do not see the hammer as a scum tell given that Chip was online around the time he was strung up and even encouraged someone to hammer him after being put at L-2 by Creature. He seemed disgusted by “ stupid town” and I think he held off claiming JK to get back at the stupid people voting him.
Also…Viomi…when did you neighborize Aster? And you call yourself a town neighborizor…..but aren’t all the roles available to any alignment? So you could be a scum neighborizor just as easily as town?
At all…if there is anything else that would be good to know please let me know. Any claims I may have missed. Other events/items of interest?
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Up to page 35. Hope to finish tonight on pc (internet permitting).In post 2041, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Fitz is catching up. 3 days left on the deadline going into weekend.
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Spoiler: Day 1
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Viomi’s post 1688 vote on NSG is bullshit. Chip, for what reason I do not know, was run up to end day 2 and was online. He most likely saw his wagon reach L-1 and saw people mention intent to hammer…and mention him claiming. Even in his final content post (posted 1 minute after NSG hammered) Chip STILL did not claim. So anyone holding the lost chance for Chip to claim over NSG’s head is bullshit. Chip had his chance….he knew he was the lynch of the day…and he chose not to claim. That said…even if he HAD claimed it probably would not have mattered as PRs are 1) not AI and 2) coupled with equivalent PRs that favor scum roles and can easily be faked in substitution of the more towny PRs.
wrt to sheep’s post 1696…scum slip calling NSG town?
wrt KidAdm’s post 1701..see first D3 comment to Viomi.
Viomi…why does a neighborizer deserve protection over virtually ANY other town PR? And to assume you would be the NK (for play OR your pr) is laughable.
Post 1734 is the first texcat post I can remembering thinking “good effort” on. How is Northside the N3 vig?
Why wouldn’t scum NSG select 1 shot Vig (w/o the N3 restriction) or 1 Shot commuter (or watcher?). I’m fairly certain NSG is not a Cop or Redirector as I assume that role would go first regardless of alignment. Which, with you picking first, doesn’t compute why you are still alive and doesn’t preclude the possibility that you are scum and selected 1 shot redirector.
But good-ish post.
OMFG sheep needs to stop with the fcuking pagetops.Mod…can you please ask him to stop?It literally raises my blood pressure every time he fcuking does it. For my health…please!?
I do not think Luv and sheep are scum partners. They could both be town but I think at least one of them is scum.
Viomi post 1804 is making my head swivel.
How is LUV voting sheep a scumclaim? Were you not pushing a Comm lynch for much of yesterday? Does that slot's role in the D1 and D2 mislynches and effort to get you lynched D2 not resound with town!you? I know you have been scum reading the LUV slot but calling his sheep vote a scumclaim seems misplaced.
@Viomi wrt post 1827…WTF (head swivel)….why is Aster now town to you? Weren’t you on the Aster warpath earlier this day?
@Creature wrt post 1862. You say texcat’s reads don’t make sense as scum. Please elaborate. There have been no scum flips so we have no associatives to work with. There have been plenty of town flips however. Out of the 6 players texcat has voted…3 have flipped town (PK, MD and CB) and the other three were YOU, Viomi (what’s your read on Viomi?) and NSG (whose wagon is bs). So how are texcat’s reads (based on her votes at least) not sensible for scum?
@Viomi…how are you coming to the conclusion that LUV might be a N3 vig? You mention texcat as well but I see no universe where a town!texcat selects N3 vig over cop or a scum!texcat doesn’t select redirector to prevent town from having a cop.So how is LUV a N3 vig?
@texcat…couldn’t the same thing in 1892 be said about you?
A good catch by texcat in post 1696. Took the words right out of my mouth. And I’m town so that is a good thing.
Just read the Neighborhood. I like Aster’s comments in there.
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That was a lot of reading.
Here are my thoughts on the living (in draft order):
texcat - I have not been a fan of texcat for most of my read. There were a few decent posts I commented on but even those were not really scumhunting...just pointing things out. Though the daytalk point could be construed as casting suspicion towards people playing dumb. The remaining roles posts was nice to look at but did not make me think anyone in particular was scum or town. Scum lean.
northsidegal - I'm not sure if I've ever played with scum NSG. As town I think she is a logical coherent poster who tends to say things I agree with (unless it's against me). I see that in this game. The only issue I have in this game is some stretches of inactivity....but that could be the holidays or RL. Town.
KidAdm - I did not (and never do) like Assembler's activity level nor his contribution in this game. If I had been in the game earlier I would have pushed for his lynch D1 or D2 (in lieu of something more concrete). As it is...I think KidAdm is town. Mostly gut on the way they are expressing themself more so than anything explicitly town they have done. Town lean.
sheepsaysmeep - I thought CommKnight was scummy. He was looking a little better I think before he replaced out (his effort at least) but his replacement has not helped the slot. Scum lean.
havingfitz - Town.
momo - I really liked Wilky and Cheekyteeky. When they posted I often found myself thinking I was reading town. momo hasn't done enough damage yet to change that read so I think momo is town.
Creature - I go back and forth on my Creature read. I do not like his playing style and have to look past it to be unbiased. I know there were a few comments directed at Creature in my catch up that show my doubts on Creature (ex the certainty he displays on the alignments of others) but I want to weak gut call him town. Can't decide if he's my my weakest town read or my weakest scum read.
Lil Uzi Vert - I did not care for Lalendra and suspected her. I recall a few posts (Viomi? someone else?) who made pretty good cases on the slot. Lalendra felt like she was avoiding the game. LUV has been a little better but not doing anything to make me town read the slot. Scum lean.
Aster - Aster's posts feel town to me. Both in the game and in the neighborhood. I know effort doesn't equal alignment...but Aster posts a lot which I view as being transparent and I think he is genuinely trying to solve the game. Town.
Viomi - I go back and forth on this slot more than any other. As the most active poster she got most of my comments/questions/concerns in my catch up. I saw a lot of things that bothered me in my read. I want to scum read the slot but I agree with a lot of her reads. Which bothers me. I.e. idfk
I kind of view //Viomi and texcat// as one or the other is scum and the same for //sheep and LUV//.
I'm afraid texcat is scum but I hate to waste her likely powerful pr if she is town.
I'm more concerned with what scum sheep could do vs what potential scum LUV might be able to do.
I think 2 scum are in //texcat, Viomi//, //LUV and sheep//. And if any of these flip scum I think the other is town (I know...bussing is a thing). The 3rd scum I'm not so sure on.
VOTE: sheep
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So much for that.
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Suddenly?In post 2115, texcat wrote:Why are you suddenly so sure that I'm a town pr and that NSG is flipping red?
Maybe the self hammer lol.
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Creature was a big question mark for me so his exit is better than losing texcat.
So we have 3 confirmed town:texcat, KidAdm and sheep
2 scum (fmpov) within - Aster, Viomi, Lil Uzi Vert and Momo
If I am right these are the roles that are still unaccounted for:
Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO
1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
Universal Backup OR Role Cop
Glad texcat investigated sheep since that was probably going to be my vote today.
If there is a N3 venge it might be good to claim now (vengeful...not sure if a claim would be good)
Not if there is a 1-shot vig or PGO or whether a claim is worthwhile.
If there is a watcher and they have already used their watch...a claim and result might be helpful.
If there is a back up (and therefore another jailkeeper)...if they did anything last night that might be useful to know if there was in fact a N3 venge and they killed Creature or their kill didn't go through.
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In post 2174, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I know you didn’t investigate me.In post 2183, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah I didn’t read anything prior.Yeah, I'm town.
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I'm liking town's chances. TBD town has a 66% chance of voting scum today. Hopefully the confirmed townies do the right thing with their 50% chance.
Viomi...can you talk a bit about why you tried to neighborize texcat last night and KidAdm the night before? Especially texcat who one would have to assume was a lock to be nk'd.
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What does texcat confirming sheep and flipping cop have to do with your alignment?In post 2236, Viomi wrote:Wait is Asterstillon me even after seeing texcat conf sheep and then flip green cop? fmlTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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@Kid...no...roles are not indicative of alignment. Though some roles are more likely to be one alignment than the other...but no scum would claim the scummy role...they'd just claim (real or fake) that they took the alternative to the scummy role.
I have a niggling paranoia in the back of my mind that scum selected rolecop (or less likely UB) and scum!Viomi knows this...and that there is no JK...and keeps claiming how jk'ing action each night is preventing her from neighborizing people. When in fact she knows that can be happening. Also...as Kid mentioned...being a neighborizor in and of itself is in no way AI towards Viomi. Regardless of whether there is a jk in the game or not.
If momo or Aster are in fact a jk...please claim. While I do not think it would automatically clear you it would be something to consider. If we get the lynch wrong today it's not going to matter (most likely) whether a mimo/Aster jailkeeper has been outted.
If sheep or Kid are a JK I do not think they should claim as I do not see what good it would do (unless it was to cc a momo or Aster claim).
@Viomi...iirc you've had at least 2 neighborizations on Kid impacted (according to you) by jk actions.
HTF does that even make sense? That's saying either you were jailkept (why??) or Kid was. Not sure why a jk would jk you but Kid is a possibility. But jk'ing Kid...especially N3 makes no sense. JK you would a little.
But if you really think you were being impacted by jk actions you have to know the "jk" is not protecting texcat. And as there is no way a scum team could afford another texcat investigation (regardless of a guilty or not)...a JK HAS to know texcat is going to be the target last night. Unless scum have a deathwish. And if the town!jk is jk'ing you....they must know from N3 that jk'ing you did not prevent a kill (Creature).
If there is a jk in the game a claim might be good to know since we know they did not jk texcat and a kill went through. So a potential jk claim with action last night would at least clear someone 50% of not killing texcat and therefore not being scum.
I'm starting to ramble and forgetting where I am going. In summary though...I do not think your claim of neighborizing texcat makes sense as texcat was the most likely NK target.
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I believe a person jailkept can't be touched and can perform any actions. Almist like they're in a box...or....cell. Go figure.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm still waiting for momo's reply to my questions and for anyone else to comment, especially, on the game in general.KidAdm
Meanwhile...a relook at some of my earlier reads and VCA.
D1:
The two main wagons D1 were both on town (andmutant).pisskop
Everyone still alive was votingat one point though Aster was not on the lynch (he was alone voting Viomi at the time). momo was committed to thepisskopwaghon while Viomi got off it for a short stint on Aster.pisskop
Viomi and Asters cross votes are a bit annoying...especially since I think Viomi said she neighborized Aster N1 because she was town reading him.
Nothing else significant on D1.
D2:
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Three wagons dominated D2. Viomi,andsheep.Chip
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Players still alive who were onat L-2+ : Aster,Chip,Creature, momo,LUV,NSG,sheeptexcat
Aster and momo are the only two unknowns left on thelynch.Chip
Viomi was barely onat all D2 and spent most of the day onChipandLUV.sheep
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The only person alive who was not trying to get theslot lynched D2 wassheep(aka CommKnight). So not a lot to take away from the D2sheepwagon that I can see.sheep
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The Viomi wagon is still a point of interest for me.
The only person still in the game who was on the long standing L-1 Viomi wagon is momo.
Aster and I were never on Viomi D2. Neither was(ever).NSG
If Viomi IS town...I would think the only remaining person alive on her D2 wagon L-1 wagon would be a strong suspect for her. And that narrative is playing out with Viomi's stated read on momo today.
I can still see a plausible existence of scum!momo on scum!Viomi as well so momo on the Viomi wagon fits as scum regardless of Viomi's alignment IMO.
If Viomi is town...she should be viewing Aster or I as town...which by poe she is.
If Viomi is scum however...Aster, momo AND I are all reasonable suspects forandsheepand whoever among those three is the other town to consider. So not a lot of help there association wise from scum!Viomi IMO.Kid
D3:
The two main wagons D3 wereandtexcatNSG
got up to L-2 and the only unknowns still alive off that wagon were mom amdtexcat
The only people still alive who were on theare momo and Viomi. momo was votingNSGat L-3 whenNSGclaimed a guilty result. Viomi puttexcatat L-1 after the guilty claim.NSG
Three players still alive never votedonce during the game: Aster, havingfitz andNSG. The only votessheepgot prior to D3 were two very short lived votes on D2 by momo and Viomi.NSG
For her part...never voted Aster, havingfitz, Viomi orNSG.Kiddid interestingly enough hop off theNSGL-2 wagon and onto momo shortly after momo puttexcatat L-2.texcat
I definitley think there is distancing going on between scum D3. The question is was it before or after the guilty result (or both).
D4:
The only people still alive who were not on themislynch were Aster andLUV.sheep
Viomi was pushingever since D2. Other still alive on theLUVlynch are havingfitz,LUVand our lolhammer momo.Kid
tl:dr;
I think Viomi and momo look the worst based on play and VCA combined. With this possibly not being being MYLO it would make sense for partners to distance from each other in the hope a different wagon forms and/or the prospect of a JK potentially getting the game to D6 whether today is a mislynch on not. Or just by playing the long game and trying to build town cred today.
I don't know if Aster and Viomi work as a scum team. I do not think they do as I can't see scum neighborizing scum just for scum theater (plus that neighborhood PT).
Also not sure if Aster works with momo. I don't see why it wouldn't. momo seems to work with everyone. I think I'm to the point where I'd be better served determining reads on players individually more than from trying to establish a team. i.e. one day at a time.
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Are you delusional? You were voting CommKnight D2 over a span of almost 400 posts. Most of which time he was at L-2 and got as high as L-1. How is that not "trying to get CK lynched?" How is my comment you are quoting in any way inaccurate? smh...In post 2252, Viomi wrote:In post 2247, havingfitz wrote:The only person alive who was not trying to get the sheep slot lynched D2 was sheep (aka CommKnight). So not a lot to take away from the D2 sheep wagon that I can see.I wasn't trying to get CK lynched thank you very much, I worked pretty hard on pointing out that the case was just Aster's dumb tunnel shit.
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Reposting for Viomi...
And momo....your last two negatives towards me (being more detailed and pop in when mentioned) are laughably assinine and inaccurate. Aka misreps.In post 2309, havingfitz wrote:
Are you delusional? You were voting CommKnight D2 over a span of almost 400 posts. Most of which time he was at L-2 and got as high as L-1. How is that not "trying to get CK lynched?" How is my comment you are quoting in any way inaccurate? smh...In post 2252, Viomi wrote:In post 2247, havingfitz wrote:The only person alive who was not trying to get the sheep slot lynched D2 was sheep (aka CommKnight). So not a lot to take away from the D2 sheep wagon that I can see.I wasn't trying to get CK lynched thank you very much, I worked pretty hard on pointing out that the case was just Aster's dumb tunnel shit.
I'm been AFK all evening and will catch up from my last post tomorrow if scum doesn't get a quicklynch on me.
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Suddenly feeling realllly good about Viomi+momo scumteamIn post 2319, Viomi wrote:
Not waiting for an opportunistic chance to quickhammer with fitz if I got sheep or KidAmn to vote Aster?In post 2317, momo wrote:Well aster+fitz makes sense to me..fine voting aster on the condition that we lynch fitz tomorrow because he has appeared very scummy to me
VOTE: Aster
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In post 2309, havingfitz wrote:
Are you delusional? You were voting CommKnight D2 over a span of almost 400 posts. Most of which time he was at L-2 and got as high as L-1. How is that not "trying to get CK lynched?" How is my comment you are quoting in any way inaccurate? smh...In post 2252, Viomi wrote:In post 2247, havingfitz wrote:The only person alive who was not trying to get the sheep slot lynched D2 was sheep (aka CommKnight). So not a lot to take away from the D2 sheep wagon that I can see.I wasn't trying to get CK lynched thank you very much, I worked pretty hard on pointing out that the case was just Aster's dumb tunnel shit.
I'm been AFK all evening and will catch up from my last post tomorrow if scum doesn't get a quicklynch on me.
That's a weakass response/defense to a blatent lie. = scummy as fcuk.In post 2316, Viomi wrote:Sure, yes, I should clarify that I was voting him for a while and did contribute to that wagon, but I changed my mind and was definitely trying to pull people away from it later on.
Granted I was trying to pull them into Lalendra so it doesn't make that much of a difference but..
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You literally were voting CK close to being lynched for 399 posts. Almost 16 game pages. Almost an entire week (6 days)! Yeah...you weren't trying to get him lynched.
Having one confirmed town participating today (sheep) is nice but we need more Kid. More Aster would be good too.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Convenient scum logic.In post 2312, Viomi wrote: If those two are fighting eachother then they're not on the same alignment and therefore Aster is confscum
I do not believe at this point I could be considered "fighting" momo at this point. He had made an absurdly poor case on me w/vote which I HADN'T EVEN RESPONDED TO YET! Yet I am fighting him? So that results in some sort of magic scum triangulation that makes Aster conf!scum along with me?
1) I wasn't "fighting" with momo. He's in my 2 or 3 scumpool as he should be.
2) It doesn't discount the convenient option of you being scum with momo.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I am town. These points are ridiculous.In post 2310, momo wrote:say his name and he appears...scummy move right there...lurking to defend himself, posting when necessary to appear town...combined with the style of his posts, it's a sure thing, fitz is scum
I guess whenever I do roll scum I should be careful not to ever post in proximity to my name being mentioned? Absurd. I post when I get the time to.
My style? How about you elaborate on this one and how my "style" is different a town and scum.
I think you rushed to try and start something on the less active of the two TBD townies still in the game and you put your foot in your mouth. Similar to your hammer yesterday.
I'm town. I wasn't super confident you were scum. Your coordinated push on me with your partner Viomi has outed you methinks.
VOTE: momo
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I'm strapped for time this weekend.
Viomi...you have played a terribly scummy game. If this day is still open beyond this weekend...I will be glad to illustrate how scummy it has been.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You may.In post 2382, Aster wrote:Fitz, may I confbias that targeting Viomi was a bad idea? May I? <3Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Good game folks.
Thanks for modding Elmo.
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