Anything uPick? (Endgame)

[Yume]

So, why did you even asked me if you aren't gonna say anything after I answered? The point of all this was to have a conversation, not to contribute to silence. To be completely honest, it feels like mastina and I are the only ones talking.

[Gamma Emerald]

All right. Taroumaru is my compulsive BG.

Actually, wait a second, is there anything else to Tarou's role? Do you know her flavor?

[Yume]

Tarou's flavor is Tarou, and that aspect of their role is all I know.

[mastina]

Alright, I am here. I don't remember where I was in my catch-up, but I do need to get caught up. Presumably though, it's far enough behind that I don't need to spam out my opening more than an introductory "I'm here".

[mastina]

mastina give me reasons to trust Ginngie other than because you like her and like to blindly trust people (gj)

Because I soulread her as town, she doesn't bus scum yet was early on Creature and lolhammered Torn Up, and because my rolecop result--while not clearing her--does give credence to the idea that she is being truthful about her role (though I'd still like a fullclaim from her so I can confirm).

also need reasons to trust OFG/alisaehydra

Sorry won't find any from me, they're in the scum pool (potentially with you, depends) albeit not my main focus. (Speaking of, I wanted to make a post comparing wagons, and will do so for a quick reference.)

[mastina]

Creature (9): Ginngie, Smocaine, Chickadee, Firebringer, northsidegal, ObsessedFanGrill, Whemeplay, Torn Up, Yume
Firebringer (1): MathDino
Northsidegal (1): Nosferatu
Whemeplay (1): Hinduragi
Obsessed Fan Grill (1): Espeonage
Not Voting: Taroumaru, Creature, Mastina, Gamma Emerald

Flat Earth Society (1): ObsessedFanGrill

Torn Up (8): Mastina, MathDino, Smocaine, Whemeplay, Espeonage, Chickadee, Gamma Emerald, Ginngie
Northsidegal (2): Taroumaru, Yume
Mathdino (1): Torn Up
Not Voting: northsidegal, Nosferatu, Flat Earth Society

Flat Earth Society (1): ObsessedFanGrill

NOTABLE NAMES ON BOTH WAGONS:

Smocaine

NOTABLE NAMES OFF BOTH WAGONS:

Nosferatu, Taroumaru, Flat Earth Society

NOTABLE NAMES OFF CREATURE:

Mathdino, Gamma Emerald

NOTABLE NAMES OFF TORN UP:

ObsessedFanGrill (this is actually something which looks bad--everyone has reason to vote Creature even the scum; scum down two members had reason not to vote Torn Up)

>random odds that the off-both has at least one if not two scum. Possibly all three, although that'd be lol. (Unlikely, but not out of contention altogether.)

I loosely still townread Yume and think northsidegal to be more likely town than not.
The names off Creature but on Torn Up could be scum but are less likely and don't fit the pattern as well.
Smocaine could be a double-busser but is incredibly unlikely to be so.

Basically the scum pool for me would be Nosferatu/Flat Earth Society > ObsessedFanGrill/Taroumaru > Mathdino > Gamma Emerald > Smocaine.
Most to least, approximately.

[Mathdino]

I just want to point out again that I was on the Creature wagon in theory (and for a split second) but was stalling it to get Creature to talk more in the hood. Was against the speedlynch, not the lynch itself.

Nosferatu had the exact same reason to be off Creature, and his whole "I hate sifting through this game" thing seemed pretty genuine cuz I experienced the same thing.

If we figure out why TFES is "conftown" we can narrow the lynchpool considerably.

[mastina]

Mastina do you
Want a hug?

Given the shit I'm going through?

Yes.

ideally mastina

since my question was directed at her, not you

The thing about Ginngie is this.

If she decided to bus.

Then it wouldn't be a halfhearted bus.

It wouldn't be just thrown out there, bussing for the sake of bussing.

When you bus, you need to get

mileage

out of your bus. You need it to go a long way. And in order for that to happen, you need to actually push the bus. Not just throw it out there and hope it randomly earns some loltowncred.

So it's not that Ginngie is town because she doesn't bus.
It's that Ginngie is town because she wouldn't bus

in this way

.

[mastina]

You are nitpicking today and avoiding actually playing mafia. You also aren't differentiating between disagreeing vehemently with someone and them being scummy.
So uh, yeah. do you ever get dense and stop playing mafia properly for no reason?

An almost identical descriptor can be applied to Smocaine; when Esp can, would love to know his thoughts. (I'm assuming he's not dead dead, that he can still give something to the thread somehow at some point, be it past or present.)

Actually I will do Nos later so blah anyone have anything interesting to say.

Could see this as a scumteam btw.

[mastina]

At approximately 10:50 pm, RC created the topic.

Out of curiosity, what day and what timezone?

Everything I state is always in PST or PDT, whichever of the two is in effect (PST right now I believe); the Pacific timezone. The date was Friday the 12th.

like hell even if you haven't read the game you could at least start asking questions and shit

That would require me to have content to work off of, only possible by...reading the fucking thread, the thing I didn't have the time for.

i've asked you some questions to actually get us started on sorting and you're literally not responding in order to wallow in your guilt

Or, get this.

I read things chronologically.
I break chronology to read mod day end/night end posts--to see who was nightkilled, to see who was lynched, to see the wagons at the end of the day.
But that's it.
So post 25 doesn't exist before post 24 does.

And often, post 14 doesn't exist before post 13 would.

please budget your time

Like I'd ever be able to.
You're talking to the girl who is both autistic (and thus, suffers from extreme issues with inertia) and severely bipolar (having alternating manic highs and depressive lows), in that I am just all over the place, can't keep focus, and can only work on something when properly motivated, who when out of it...

...Is just

out

of it.

Budget my time?

I wish.

Literally fucking impossible to do.

Also different things take a different mindset and a different amount of time.

Catching up requires a very, very, very specific mindset, one which involves, "Yes I actually can be productive by catching up right now". If I don't get that mindset, if I can't get the mindset of "I am productive by catching up now"--and I often cannot get this mindset--then I can't catch up. I just can't.

Which ties in to what I indicated. Different amounts of time, and different

perceptions

about the amount of time. No matter how long, no matter how much time, I take to write up a wall complaining...as far as I'm concerned, it took no time at all even if that was not the case. If I think something is possible, if I think it's something which takes very little time, then I think I can do it so I start to do it even if it later turns out to have been impossible.

If I think something isn't possible, if I think something cannot be done, if I think something will take more time than I have, then even if it were possible, even if it could be done, even if I had the time to actually do it, then I won't because to me my mind said it couldn't be done and the mind makes it real.

Why would you want scum to kill conftown instead of killing potential suspects? You must have played inno child before right???

I would want the scum to kill me because it would be killing conftown who is more valuable to the town as cannon fodder for the nightkill than alive as a scumhunter.

Also, no. I'm pretty sure I've never actually drawn innocent child. I've been close, from many friendly neighbors, half-masonries, and full-masonries (hey guess what mastina legitimately and genuinely draws mason often enough that it'd practically be a meme even without her faking extras), but innocent child? Could be mistaken but I legit don't remember so much as a single game where I drew it.

[mastina]

if you don't think you are doing anything wrong, then you would agree with everyone fakeclaiming mason if they roll neighbor.

This would be an acceptable outcome, yes! Sorry to disappoint you if you thought I wouldn't think so. Because yes, I absolutely do think it would help the town in the long-run, so long as the players followed the proper methodology behind it. The main mistake is in thinking it doesn't have one. Once you understand the actual backing behind the gambit, absolutely, yes, anyone can pull it off.

Because I see a future where masons are forced to push a haughty town slot because they don't want to hard cc and just muddies conftown's reads.

Fun fact, something similar to this has already happened...but was

one of the best things in the game

. As in. The players doing this held suspicion of the claim's legitimacy, and were cautious about it, stated their doubts and so on and so forth...but when they did claim during massclaim, they were seen as conftown for it when they otherwise would have been seen as suspicious.

So once more, in my experience? The thing you described, not a bad thing. An absolutely good thing which helped the town. My experience has been that the mason gambit vastly improves the town-EV for the game.

are you actively ignoring me

Ignoring requires me to actually fucking have read the thread.

Anyone who's actually fucking played with me in a game that I get behind on knows I read chronologically. So there should have been plenty of people telling you this and if it's absent then frankly that in of itself would be suspect because this being a well-known fact, it's not something they should let stand.

give me a read on ginngie and OFG, tell me why you trusted them D1

Why did you think I trusted OFG? I recall nothing of the sort; in fact I said much the opposite?

also i assume from that post that it would then be reasonable for me to expect my (now VT) neighbour to be town based on moderation statistics

By the numbers? Yes.
But again.
Play > role.
And role != alignment.
So even if the role is one which by the numbers is more likely to be town, that does not a town role make. You judge them by their actions.

Forced

Indeed it is! What say you to that?

Also girlfriend time might be incoming which will delay the catchup but won't get rid of it.

[Mathdino]

did mastina just spend 20 minutes writing a short essay on why she can't budget her time
i'm not crazy right

[Mathdino]

Anyone who's actually fucking played with me in a game that I get behind on knows I read chronologically.

here i was reading posts alphabetically

i guess that's what i'm doing wrong

[WhemePlay]

Basically the scum pool for me would be Nosferatu/Flat Earth Society > ObsessedFanGrill/Taroumaru > Mathdino > Gamma Emerald > Smocaine.
Most to least, approximately.

We can support this.
At least until wheme get on and says something completely fucking different.

[ObsessedFanGrill]

HEY T-REX, WHEMES, AND OTHERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS MESSAGE, BUT MOSTLY GAMMAS AND GINNGIES
WE'RE MASSCLAIMING.
THIS IS AN ORDER
OR NOT A REQUEST

There will be an order given by yours truely
E S P E O N A G E
whom I WILL release if ywall are just going to keep on being dumb.

There will be an order
and NSG will confirm it
and then we will start massclaiming.
Failure to comply is punishable by death and/or being removed from the game as long as I am alive.

[Mathdino]

OFG i already fullclaimed did you actually miss that

[ObsessedFanGrill]

I probably did
and now I remember
idc tho I still like calling you a T-Rex I doubt your claim is going to change that

[ObsessedFanGrill]

ALRIGHT
HERE IS OUR ORDER


Gamma "I DON'T WANNA CLAIM BUT GUESS WHAT BITCH #ITS HAPPENING" Emerald
Ginn "Bae" Gie
Nos "lame" feratu
Flat Earth "Is Chesskid even relevant this game. Why hasn't Kagami carried us yet?" Soceity
Smocaine
Shiro the Dog
Yume
Northsidegal
Nos "thats right, you have to claim a SECOND TIME. That's how important you are to me <3" feratu
T-Rex
Us wonderful fangirls
Wheme "Father-Son Hydra" Play
Mas "fuck me" tina

If you have already claimed, we will take this time to confirm our claims, AGAIN
it may be a hassle, but who cares we're doing this.

Once this is approved by NSG and or NSG has any adjustments she wants to make, we will do this.

Here are some rules for you children.
Unvote now and do NOT vote until the dam thing is over.
Claim in order. If you want to CC something? Well guess what bitch, YOU'RE WAITING TILL ITS YOUR TURN TO CLAIM YOUR SHIT.
Claim EVERYTHING
Leave NOTHING OUT
Don't Fakeclaim, you're not cute
And after massclaim, we will DISCUSS before we go back into voting guns blazing

Are we clear?
The only's people's who's opinions I care about are mastina and NSG
but mostly NSG
because ESPEONAGE said so.

[Mathdino]

nosferatu never claimed

i fullclaimed

taro already claimed

this is gonna take forever tbh

but

more time for other games

[ObsessedFanGrill]

(Nos in all seriousness don't after NSG, I was just being cute).

NSG you can message Espeonage True/False words

[ObsessedFanGrill]

this is gonna take forever tbh

Guess what ya cute little T REX
deadlines on mafiascum are F O U R T E E N D A Y S.
we got PLENTY of time.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: OFG

out of annoyance

consider my vote actually on TFES

[ObsessedFanGrill]

No
we're all unvoting so we can massclaim.
This is an order from me and espeonage.

[Mathdino]

not following your orders

would literally be less annoyed if you misgendered me in every post you made

[ObsessedFanGrill]

ok
they aren't

my

orders.
They're espeonage's being sent through me.