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[profii]

UNVOTE:

[profii]

Tchill, based on Eth0s concern that I’m aiming my sight on Dunker. Plus I still insist I had Havo in Jail on n4 do you think the scum team could be Eth0s and Dunker. Given this removes watcher and 1sbp out of the setup, does that seem like a reasonable config to you?

I think that gives us motion detector / 2shot doc / Neo / Jk



Basically with a nights sleep to reflect on, I considered I could be wrong and it’s town!chill

That means havo isn’t conf town because if you town!neo’d Chumba, then there are 2 scum to account for

HOWEVER if you are town, quick draw McGraw over there (havo) didn’t hammer you with me and eth0s for a scum win, so that is a massive town card anyway, wonderful.

Now the weird bit is that if Eth0s is scum he alienated Havo who could have done the job for scum!eth0s & Dunker by killing you. Even if you go with your theory that it’s me + eth0s we both would need someone to finish the lynch, so why accuse havo like he did? I can’t explain that in any theory


Anyway, eth0s was happy to bus you and I was actively saying I will JK him which means he wouldn’t be able to nk. Having a scum mate to do the kill means he doesn’t have to worry about that.

Given that Havo is the most town player here, it could be Eth0s and Dunkers

It still could be tchill and Dunkers

I don’t think it’s eth0s and tchil based on I said I would Jk Eth0s plus lynch him the next day to win the game - if it was he would know lynching his scum mate tchil would lose him the game

[profii]

Ebwop I suppose bus is a misrep if I’m saying you are town. Wagon w/e

Anyway, let’s see where this goes

Dunker dies

I Jk eth0s- If no night kill, we pretty much just lynch eth0s. If he flips scum = win if he flips town, I JK you and me and havo get you (scenario is you fake a no kill)

Or if there is a NK, eth0s in jail is conf town, havo is conf town, If I die, they buddy, if one of them dies, I buddy to them for a win


We can lynch Dunker and win the game weather tchil or eth0s is the last town as well

[profii]

Eth0s


You have apparent tendencies to flip out and miss the details. The scenarios above highlight that if the scum team is Dunkers plus you or tchil I can win the game for town

You have to either consider:

Scenario 1: tchil = scum = havo was in jail and tchil is highly likely a neo, therefore someone else made the kill
Scenario 2: tchil = town = havo had the chance to hammer for a scum win when we voted. He didn’t - highly likely town

[profii]

why is dunk town for you

[profii]

let me think about this though:

as long as we lynch eth0s rather than nk him, it still eradicates the 1sbp claim, so that's fine.

if he is scum, then game continues

I can jail keep dunkers, this i think will stop a NK. That means, if there is one, it was you - you die tomorrow, town win.

If there is no NK, we kill dunkers, and I JK tchil, me and havo kill the day after...


Obviously we NEED to lynch a scum,

I think Dunkers is the best bet, because eth0s wanted to lynch tchill after I have posted repeatedly that we can win the game 100% meaning a bus wouldnt work, so that is TvS meaning dunkers must be the other scum.

but if we do end up on eth0s and he turns out scum we win.


VOTE: dunkers

I'm confident.

[profii]

Also, Dunkerdoodles is lock town. Don’t ever lynch him.

[profii]

Eth0s


You have apparent tendencies to flip out and miss the details. The scenarios above highlight that if the scum team is Dunkers plus you or tchil I can win the game for town

You have to either consider:

Scenario 1: tchil = scum = havo was in jail and tchil is highly likely a neo, therefore someone else made the kill
Scenario 2: tchil = town = havo had the chance to hammer for a scum win when we voted. He didn’t - highly likely town

pretty funny you never even suggested i made the kill and just said chumba was vt because he flipped vt.

you're not thinking of all the possible scenarios just the ones that benefit your agenda.

youre scum. with eth0s.

I'm sure I've highlighted that it's unlikey if there is multiple scum you'd give up your Neo to make a kill

possible sure but highly unlikely

keep picking holes that dont work, go on



Pedit: at that point I didnt know which of you eth0s dunkers is scum, but my JK power sees town through to victory so it is an irrelevant point.
However given the big point in red, I dont care who votes dunkers, he's scum

[profii]

and it drew out that you and eth0s are opposite factions. Dunkers scum. Game won.

[profii]

you and dunkers ffs

[profii]

ffs game over

[profii]

eth0s unvote and actually read what ive said and question it or we lose

[profii]

its clearly tchill and dunkers

[profii]

this is basically a race between eth0s taking note of my posts or havo coming online lol

[profii]

Profii you're losing me here bud. I don't see a single place where you explained this was a better avenue than lynching tchill. But if we are all going to vote on different people (me on tchill, you on dunk, tchill only on me or you, havo prob on me or dunk) then fuck it.
VOTE: profii
@tchill you still think me and profii are scum?

Vote with me. Then when we lose I can blame you

, and if he's somehow scum then you'll know you can trust me. Havo and dunker clearly don't want to put any effort in so we might as well get lynching or just prod dodge until the day is over.

VOTE: profii

Havo where you at?

Dudes literally bussing his scum partner lol.

I can't wait for eth0s to unvote profii after he sees this post.

Why would I unvote? I doubt havo would even vote profii unless it was havo scum and profii town (which it very well might be). Dunker might but that wouldn't even happen til monday. If I were bussing my scum partner here I would have plenty of time to unvote. But I'm town so I'll just park anyway. Plus why would I start bussing profii before you even vote him? that makes no sense. Oh well, I already know this isn't going to end well but like I said, I can blame Tchill when we lose so I don't really care.

p-edit we will cross that bridge when we get to it

the bold bit is borderline offensive, you voting me has caused the loss for town

[profii]

Profii you're losing me here bud. I don't see a single place where you explained this was a better avenue than lynching tchill. But if we are all going to vote on different people (me on tchill, you on dunk, tchill only on me or you, havo prob on me or dunk) then fuck it.
VOTE: profii
@tchill you still think me and profii are scum? Vote with me. Then when we lose I can blame you, and if he's somehow scum then you'll know you can trust me. Havo and dunker clearly don't want to put any effort in so we might as well get lynching or just prod dodge until the day is over.

VOTE: profii

Havo where you at?

Dudes literally bussing his scum partner lol.

I can't wait for eth0s to unvote profii after he sees this post.

Why would I unvote? I doubt havo would even vote profii unless it was havo scum and profii town (which it very well might be). Dunker might but that wouldn't even happen til monday.

If I were bussing my scum partner here I would have plenty of time to unvote.

But I'm town so I'll just park anyway. Plus why would I start bussing profii before you even vote him? that makes no sense. Oh well, I already know this isn't going to end well but like I said, I can blame Tchill when we lose so I don't really care.

p-edit we will cross that bridge when we get to it

and if you're not the 2 scum left will kill me to win for scum. can you really not understand this.

[profii]

[profii]

Why would we have a motion detector and a watcher. It makes no sense


Why would he survive so long after a PR claim, it makes no sense

[profii]

But eth0s has lost the town game - havo has already indicated he doesn’t believe I’m town so you’ve done it. Well done, unbelieveable but well done

[profii]

You can’t justify dunk as town other than a day 1 read lol

I’ve clearly demonstrated you and Eth0s was TVS - that leaves dunk as scum

I’ve clearly proved havo is lock town


Eth0s voting me is the game losing vote

[profii]

I'm sure it doesn't but seeing as you are trying to justify a scum win then you would say that, just like my theories fit my agendas, exactly the same as you.

What you are saying is:


Watcher
ascetic motion detector!
2-shot doctor!
Neo

vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!

Mafia roleblocker
mafia ?
mafia goon!

What I'm saying is:

1SBP
ascetic motion detector!
2-shot doctor!
JK

vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!
vanilla townie!

Mafia neo
mafia ?
mafia goon!



against dunker:
he made that suspect lycan claim way too early.
he survived way to long for a soft claim that got no protection (i didnt believe it)
is the odd one out after you and eth0s went at it.
he looked at his scum partner twice - easily wont get caught out.

OH OH OH I've found the slip

quote from the wiki on roleblockers:

Players are not told that they are blocked unless it cannot be helped. For instance, a Cop who is blocked by a Roleblocker has to be told something for their investigation result. Normally the Cop is given a message like "No Result". (It is terrible form to simply not give the Cop any result at all and assume that the Cop understands that they were blocked - the Cop may instead question if the moderator forgot about their investigation.)

If dunkers was a watcher he would have got no result, not no visits if I had role blocked him


your scum die die die die die die die

[profii]

is that me dead?

I was really the jail keeper. wp tchill

[profii]

tchill

you numpty

[profii]

fair does to eth0s i did not expect him to be scum but i could have carried it by going dunkers

[profii]

I guess i should have moved to eth0s when he started ignoring my posts, i thought he was just being dim rather than malicious

[profii]

when i moved off you to dunkers i realised there was a possibility of town tchill but i knew you'd just see it as buddying

[profii]

In all honesty I didn't see how you and eth0s could have been different alignments.

I went back to a boon read for my dunker read.

I should have known something was up when I actually felt good about TR'ing him.

I mean I was all in on eth0s profii. Not sure why you just believed his 1 shot claim so easily then didn't believe I was town aligned.

I wouldn't advocate to throwing around your vote in lylo either.

I still had a lot of fun with this.

to be fair, everything i said was true. I got away with the vote, but it did highlight you and eth0s were TvS - when i asked you to go to dunkers, i thought there was a possibility that you were scum then as the drama sphere grew and grew i figured you were the scum because you were ignoring me.

i misread eth0s completely and i figured the 1sbp claim thing was genuine in the same way not_maf didnt claim

[profii]

I'm amazed we didnt agree to disagree and go for dunkers. i was hoping havo would talk about it and win you round instead of voting me

[profii]

it's ok i can see why i got lynched, i had to lie about the JK thing to see if i could catch anyone, it was a genuine slip about the chumba thing, i just got overexcited and blurted it out which did not help at all.

in a way, you made me suspicious and you were my initial lynch which would have lost us the game, then my vote luckily pointed out you vs eth0s and i was headed in the right direction but it was a bit of a cluster f... either way

[profii]

i knew you hadn't, it was so beautiful and perfect if never realised

[profii]

Why did scum kill me?

I really wanna know if I got that right

[profii]

Why did scum kill me?

I really wanna know if I got that right

Why did you think I was killed?

Why did scum kill me?

Can't remember atm. Think it was to get a tacos mislynch going or something. Dunker called the shot on that I think

boom. I was right.

the next 2 kills were pretty non-descript but if you cant remember you clearly weren't too bothered that i spotted it.

i had a massive debate with chumba that i thought scum killed to make us mislynch taco whereas chumba thought scum would just lynch plain town i think.

[profii]

I don't really think he was playing against his wincon. I just think he's arrogant and wants to put the game on his back and then blames others when he fails. Ditto Boon and a ton of other players.

Can you really blame me for this game when I was operating under the assumption dunker was lock town the entire game because of boon?

But he locked dunker town and all my reads were based on that lol

thats just fucking dumb

[profii]

when i play this game i keep a spreadsheet open and whenever someone indicates any kind of read (sometimes it will just be something minor) i make a note of it to see where they're at.

Mulch laid down a scum read on every single player bar Una at one point. I've never seen that before, no wonder he got himself mislynched

[profii]

no i only note the 'latest update' on each player, so when i say you had a scum read on everyone - it was simultaneous

[profii]

it irked me somewhat

[profii]

But he locked dunker town and all my reads were based on that lol

thats just fucking dumb

He’s never misread dunker tho

well now he has and we can all move on from thinking day 1 VT reads are worth something from anyone

Yes it's dumb. But mulch has a point.

Hey I'm happy to take the blame for this loss I don't really care what's said about me to be quite frank lol.

nah no way, eth0s did really well.

[profii]

i somehow put my point i the quote... n00b

[profii]

i think im going to tunnel on anyone who pushes meta for a reason in future. every time i see people doing it, it leads to something dumb.

[profii]

exactly.

[profii]

i had a point

[profii]

i had dunker on lock scum so because i knew i could win i tunneled it

[profii]

yea i think the lesson for me is although i had the game locked up, no one is coming in this thread and saying. dont worry profii i town read you there... so clearly that's where i need to work

[profii]

Profii did really well but I still don't exactly understand why he trusted havo so much. I mean he was right to, but still.

Bearing in mind I was really the JK and he was really in jail n4

If tchil was his scum mate, tchil had legit neo breadcrumbs so the scum team had to give up the neo info to get tchil to do the kill - chumba will remind us about Occam’s razor here, far to outlandish a scenario...

If you or Dunkers were the scum partner, then havo would have lynched tchill when we had our votes on him


Conf town!

[profii]

Eth0s were you just a goon and did your team have an encryptor in the end?

[profii]

I had no idea who the scum was so I was trying to protect likely town targets. I was a day early on every single one

The only exception to that was night 4

My initial PM said jail keep Eth0s surely it’s tchil and Dunker but I changed it to havo because I knew going into LyLo I had a chance to town clear someone who hammered every day which seemed more advantageous


Whoooops.

I don’t understand when you say people are confused about jails keepee - if chumba was in jail and tchil really did neo him on the same night would he get a result of vanilla or fail?

[profii]

Same

I’m assuming I was right thinking people in jail can’t die?