Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Thor is really the big ? right now
Biggest reason to townread him is he's been pushing (if my reads are right in general) town wincon a lot and he's one of the few people as scum who usually actively pushes scum wincon
I think that it would not be terrible to lynch him today because if he's town I can pretty confidently reduce the game down to 3

that said we could just lynch people who are more likely to flip scum

[RadiantCowbells]

RC is town or go smurf yourself
Flubber is town
Beefster is very likely town
Mozamis probtown I guess
CoA is still probtown (not 100%sies, will get there)
don't have a lot of reason but think Maxous town

EP ??? do content
Thor meh. I originally read him town.

that leaves Klick and Texcat, both of whom have kind of bad jumps at the end of the wagon and make sense as partners

[RadiantCowbells]

maybe if we had

MONEYBAGS

alive this would be an easy PoE

[RadiantCowbells]

like in an objective choice mozamis has been the #1 pusher of scum win condition this game

[RadiantCowbells]

but still probably bad town
maybe thor is town because mozamis is too bad to possibly be pushing them if they're scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah let's not lynch either of Thor or Mozamis today, thanks.

[Thor665]

Hey Thor can you do me a massive favour and cite me a time where you asked for a confirmed town to be lynched if you flipped town or anything equally posturey because that seems... not right

Hey, RC, can you show me a time a confirmed town straight up made up meta on me and I reacted positively to it?
Because you didn't take me up on backing up the gak you opted to say, you're instead questioning my reaction.
I submit, unless you can back up what you said, my reaction is excellent.
Because here's the reality, as I said, I *KNOW* (in intentional, and not overblown capital letters) that the meta you claimed on me is BS.
At that point htere are two options.

You are scum who has faked their way into being "confirmed" and need death.
You are confirmed town who is voting towna nd are lying to yourself/confusing me with someone else/posting drunk and I need to do something so aggressive as to obligate you to back up your gak - and in so doing obligate you to look for evidence, realize there is none, and then maybe revise your read.

I had thought the unvote was you quietly realizing you were being daft.
If you're still serious enough about that meta read to analyze my reaction to it - I again challenge you to do what I asked and provide some form of backing to what you claimed my play would be.

@Beef - I feel like you're suddenly backpedaling from your former stance and trying to build up how much you were skimming.
You said you saw what moz was saying.
An HWS vote "out of the blue" after Flub became mod confirmed, and the other two wagons were you and Tex, both of which I had indicated displeasure with is...like...normal, yeah?
How does moz's case hold water exactly? Why did you like it? How is it a case for me to be scum?

And if you're really just skimming...what the hell? If you're town you know I was opposing your lynch for ages, you're saying my scum plan is to protect town you and bus my buddy out of the blue when there was no pressure on him? The only way that remotely works is if I'm scared of pushing a lynch on town as scum (something that, since we know for a fact Flubber is town, we also know for a fact is not an issue I would have if I'm scum, so...)

[RadiantCowbells]

I never made a case on you Thor. I didn't actually go back and read you until today.
I basically just said 'your play does sort of make sense as a scum play, no the push on you does not, largely, make sense.'

I do feel that your reaction was more postured than I'm used to seeing and if that is in fact something characteristic of your towngame and I'm not aware of it you would do town a great service by linking me to examples of similar reactions so that I know that it's non alignment indicative because at this point that's the only thing that makes me think you could be scum.

So yes in a sense I unvoted you because I was being daft but to say that requires me to have actually thought you were a likely scum flip as opposed to being curious what would come of the vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also refuse to clear anyone from bussing no matter how rarely they bus, given how me and Titus took advantage of that in 685 where she claimed cop with a guilty on me and was handed the game on a platter. I do think that, ignoring who the partners are, tunneling one person and then bussing a partner when you're in a weak slot is a fine play.

I may or may not have claimed things about the likeliness of you being scum, I literally don't remember because I was never really pushing you, but you were never a scumread as much as you were an I'll vote here and see what comes of it.

[TesXX]

Prodding texcat
Vc later tonight

[TesXX]

Official Vote Count 2.3

Thor665

(3): mozamis, Flubbernugget, Beefster

Errantparabola

(2): Maxous, CultOfAthena

Klick

(1): Errantparabola

Beefster

(1): texcat

mozamis

(1): Thor665

texcat

(1): Klick

Not Voting

(1): RadiantCowbells

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-08 18:26:35)

[Klick]

Hello RC I am somewhat here.

Also skimming your spam, you mention a Klick/texcat scumteam - which I argue sounds ridiculous if you look at who I've been pushing all game

[RadiantCowbells]

Hello RC I am somewhat here.

Also skimming your spam, you mention a Klick/texcat scumteam - which I argue sounds ridiculous if you look at who I've been pushing all game

If Texcat was on my team in my first post in scumchat I would have told her that I plan to gradually bus her and have her lynched day 1 / day 2 if she's okay with that.

[Klick]

That plan makes no sense if you consider that HWS has been lynched. Furthermore, if I'm scum, I'm absolutely not set up to be an endgame scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see why you're not, especially following a Texcat flip (presumably a scum one.)

[Klick]

No one with a big voice has a townread on me. I'm inevitably lynched before endgame, even if there's a texcat scumflip.

If you think we're the scumteam though, I'll happily go along with half of those lynches.

[RadiantCowbells]

Begs the question of whether I trust town to finish the job.

[Flubbernugget]

For the sake of not shading RC at stupid times can we all agree a lack of tracker CC before m/lylo is a game throw?

[RadiantCowbells]

lol

[Klick]

The scumteam of me/tex makes zero sense and would essentially mean that every single town push in this game has been driven by other town. Because HWS pushed nothing, tex has pushed nothing, and I've basically only had my bet against tex-scum. With all the town wagons yesterday, that would be an extreme surprise.

I'm the part you're wrong on. Your reads on the whole match mine closely. I have a townread on EP where you don't. I could pretty easily see Thor/tex.

[RadiantCowbells]

every single town push in this game has been driven by other town

This sounds like mafia to me man

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah this whole arguing your innocence to conftown thing isn't vibing with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I meant like. Most mafia games every single town push is driven by other mafia.

[Flubbernugget]

I never thought I'd see a game where there would be the slightest semblance of synergy between me and RC

Pedit I think both of our points gel well then. Klick wagon?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm thinking still. I kind of want to just take out Tex because I feel pretty sure they're scum based on the hammer.