Micro 774: Upick: Pick Their Poisons Game End

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VOTE: Gamma I don't see your vote.

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VOTE: Vaxkiller
eager to quicklynch.

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Who wants sushi?

How about a vote here, instead?

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I got my pick as well.

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Honestly Vax is conftown here imo.

BS.
VOTE: BuJaber

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Visit me and see

Hmmmm... I'd rather not visit a reflexive vig

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BuJaber is at L-2

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Hopkirk do you want to die tonight?

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Hopkirk do you want to die tonight?

Not unless there's a reviver ingame.

ok

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You want to die. Understand. Don't try to live!

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Just my delayed(choose at day, death at night) strongman vigshot. (there is a catch with this ability but... not telling you. Oh and I already activated it so...)

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I guess it's lucky I'm immune to strongman vigshots and the catch is that you can change it.

No I cannot change it.
But... claim your role right now.
Because one person already claimed commuter(sheep)

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Not buying this.

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It's poor quality rolefishing.

You will see it tonight.

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i cant be targeted by night actions on nights i chose

sheep claimed commuter.

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VOTE: NK15

Actually this should stop his alleged vig.

Hmmm... if I read my rolecard correctly... No.

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How about waiting for tomorrow?
Then you will see how fake my claim is.

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Shockingly, I still don't belive you.
Feel like fullclaiming?

I have good reasons not to fullclaim. The catch, remember?(Actually, there is more than one catch, two...)
Trust me, you'll see that my claim is not as fake as you think(although what I described as the catch alters the role quite a bit).
If it is fake you can hang me tomorrow. Today, well... that's not a good idea.

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So it's a vengeful style strongman vigilante?

No.
That's offtrack.
But think of that: I openly claimed that I would target you. I didnt do that to rolefish. In fact, I was only interested in your role after you claimed to be strongman vigilante immune. I had... other reasons.

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You didn't recognise that was a joke?

No.
But I
suspect you a bit right now. BuJaber is still my strongest scumread right now...
but you seem to be very... defensive about getting vigged. You also don't seem to have the patience to accept my claim and let others look at it tomorrow.
You seem more like scum who wants to prevent me from doing something that will not help your scum faction.

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Vig in micro is very impactful, strongman vig seems a bit OP

Uhhh .... it isnt as OP as you'd think. Remember: That is not my full role. My full role is... not so OP.

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I've seen strongman be used as a town modifier before
NK15 did you get your role or someone elses

I got my character. Not a role.

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I guess it's lucky I'm immune to strongman vigshots and the catch is that you can change it.

No I cannot change it.
But... claim your role right now.
Because one person already claimed commuter(sheep)

Okay this is the worst post so far IMO. I really don't see the town motivation for this

.... Because someone already claimed such a rare type of immunity...
and two are really sketchy?

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How about waiting for tomorrow?
Then you will see how fake my claim is.

Shockingly, I still don't belive you.
Feel like fullclaiming?

I have good reasons not to fullclaim. The catch, remember?(Actually, there is more than one catch, two...)
Trust me, you'll see that my claim is not as fake as you think(although what I described as the catch alters the role quite a bit).
If it is fake you can hang me tomorrow. Today, well... that's not a good idea.

Don't like these posts either. I'm very wary of people asking for specifically X more days, and it's even more concerning in such a small setup.

hmmm I asked for one more day because I cannot prove my role to anyone today? Whats the difference of lynching me today or tomorrow if I am scum?
It is extremely dumb for a scum to announce a fake role like this.
It is NOT fake, and I have good reasons for what I did.
Very. Good. Reasons.
I just cannot tell you them today without compromising the role.

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VOTE: Not Known 15 I believe this is L-2.

No... that was hammer.
Lynch Jordax for not researching the number of votes.

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I see no reason to claim now. My role is obvious if you know my character.

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Nah. Town.
Lynch the hammer tomorrow.

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You submitted a character and got it.
We clearly don't know your character.

well... the catch was that nobody but you could stop the kill. You needed to accept dying. And the second catch is not necessary to reveal

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You really deserved votes.

No.
Doing this should not have been suspect at all.
Lynching a vig claim Day 1 is dumb.

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VOTE: Not Known 15 I believe this is L-2.

I believe this is scum.
No town would announce "I believe this is L-2", they would check it. This is an attempt to get suspicion off for the hammer.

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I've seen town hammer by mistake.

Yes.
But their announcement makes it clear: they are scum.
You don't make a hammer AND claim that it is probably L-X. At least not as town.

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I've seen a town hammer by mistake and say it was L1.

They didn't say " it is PROBABLY L-1" did they?

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Because that's the problem with this hammer: No sane town votes if they don't actually know how close to a lynch someone is. Or at least think that they know.
But the hammer told us that they did NOT know exactly how many votes I had.

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Upick: Pick Their Poisons
Non-bastard

Bastard?: No, Ninjas and redirectors can exist however

Sorry, but this game was not only horribly swingy, it was also clearly bastard. The mod did not do their job properly:
There was an extremely swingy minigame: It could result in the removal of all mafia(which it did) or in an extra town death.
With a Day 1 mislynch and the extra town death:
Day 2 possibly:3v2v1. That should not happen. Worse, with a Night 1 vig against the reflector: 2v2v1. The town should not, ever, be held hostage by Day 1 and night actions to lose. WITH THE FAKE KILL EVEN 1v2v1(with one revive next day)
With a Day 1 mafia lynch after the town extra kill, and vig shooting the reflector:3v1v1.
WITH THE FAKE KILL EVEN 2v1v1 AFTER A MAFIA LYNCH!!!!!(which crosses the red line of day play(town not having majority after only scum lynches is absolutely not acceptable for any game named mafia, no matter how bad the night play is))
These are outliers? Sure, but such outliers should not have this effect, ever.

There was a clear bastard role(in a game announced as not bastard): The reflector.
This is clearly a jester-type role here, and it played out as such.
It punished the town and the mafia for normally correct night actions. A bomb or PGO punishes Mafia and vigs, too... but they at least get rid of the enemy as a 1v1(a trade). A mafia PGO exposes themselves when breadcrumbs exist. Here the normally correct play resulted in a selfkill and nothing else!
The vig shot scum, and that's why town lost. Does this sound like a good thing?
If mafia ever shot the competing scum that would make them unable to win without the help of the town. Does that all sound like non-bastard?

No.
This was a ridicously swingy bastard game(despite being announced as non bastard) that even crossed the red line for setups and I blame the mod for that.

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reflector is just a fancy name for a modified PGO which is not bastard

That's wrong.
A modified X-shot (Bulletproof PGO) isn't bastard.
A full bulletproof third party Kill PGO(both passive) is bastard.