Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Chickadee]

Hey schadd lets be friends

[Chickadee]

VOTE: hws

but youre hesitant to put out a random vote because?

I legit don’t like that you called him out for this but not me.

[Chickadee]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

[Chickadee]

Was that a scum claim Schaddinton Bear??

[Chickadee]

Even with the wagoning, I feel like there's nothing really going on yet. Everything so far feels forced, we're just wagoning to be wagoning.

[Chickadee]

The question is, Chickadee, do we think scum are on the wagon?

Probably, I mean theres a statistically good chance. I'd need more content/interactions to really decide that.

and really why are we talking about a page 3/4 hammer

nobody could possibly be as sure of a scumread at this point so as to hammer someone

It would not be the first time, and it will not be the last.

[Chickadee]

I don’t know about this. I can almost see a townbloc forming here. Lol.

But man some of you can be such sneaky bastards.

Don't have a heart attack over it. Townblocks can be good things.

[Chickadee]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

[Chickadee]

You really dont want to do that.

I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.

Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?

It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.

thats a shit reason for anything

The fact that you don’t deal well with [something] makes me want to expose you to it; people give away the most tells when they’re uncomfortable. Call me an asshole or whatever but I’m tempted to tunnel your slot for that reason alone

If you break down under pressure then maybe you shouldn’t be playing this game

First off, fuck you for that. That's a shitty conclusion to what I wrote.

Schadd suggested, with no reason, that we put my slot at L-1. I simply said it's not gonna get you anywhere. If you have real reasons to find me scummy then by all means push me. But if there's no reason to find me scummy, running me up isn't going to do anything, because I have nothing to respond to.

[Chickadee]

Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.

Cool, join the club. What else is new?



Anyway, I'll try to come check in when I can. I'm headed to bed, and have a 12 hour shift tomorrow first thing in the morning. So I'll be a bit preoccupied. But I'll be staying up to date so I can jump back in either tomorrow night or sunday.

[Chickadee]

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?

Sheep doesn't say meep sheep hands out one word reads.

Why answer this for sheep?

Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.

Main thing to note with chickadee is she stated she doesn't react well to pressure as either alignment so don't pressure her.

All I heard is "please don't give me any attention"

Again, at the time when it was suggested to put pressure on me, there was literally nothing for me to respond to.

And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.

This is an awful train of thought. I hate that everyone here basically says "D1 is useless and a townie is going die, oh well." You should always care who dies.

hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of

youre very inexperienced then

not really, that's just a really bad way to play the game

i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my back

I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, players

COULD

hold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.

I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

Well, scum does that too. And I actually get the opposite vibe...as in scum that's worried they'll contribute to a mislynch.

VTs don’t care if they are lynched

I CARE! #vanillalivesmatter

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans,

not because we scum buds.

on one hand, I'm glad you said something but were you worried that we'd get called scum together?

Could see HWS scum

k how?

Because I feel like it's easy for people to find reasons to scum read me. And I feel like that was a fairly common follow up comment to anticipate.

*wink wink* scum bud

And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.

Have you played with Chickadee before?

If so are you familiar with how she handles pressure?

I've played with tchill a handful of times. I've played with you too Havo.

[Chickadee]

eh
chickadee is really self conscious

That's pretty much my life

[Chickadee]

I like the fact someone town reads me and doesn't want to explain why. That never happens lol.

Pro-tip, thats how you get pocketed.

[Chickadee]

Oh did I say he was lock town?

Did I say you did?

[Chickadee]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

[Chickadee]

Chickadee - do you see HWS or NK15 flipping scum?

Not based off of what has happened so far.

[Chickadee]

Are you expecting me to have all the scum pinned down at this point? Reads change. Currently, based on what has happened, I dont have reason to scum read either of them.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Eth0s

[Chickadee]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?

Spoiler alert: I am

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:

Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.


This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.


Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.

[Chickadee]

Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.

Can you also look at schadd and HWS and think about if they are potential lurking scum or not(HWS was under pressure, schadd was not)

Noted. I'm gonna do them one by one so as not to create a wall.

[Chickadee]

Still up in the air for tchill. I see that he's trying to produce content, it's just not great.

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?

Sheep doesn't say meep sheep hands out one word reads.

I still don't like that tchill responded here about sheep. I asked about it, and I don't think he ever responded to me post about it.

@notknown15 why are you worried about your vote being opportunistic? Scum can vote places without being oportunistic. That's not what it's about its about the scum motivation.

And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.

I still feel like this post is contradictory to the next post quoted here. First you don't care, then you do care but are fine with either me or NK dying.

@havo I've played with chickadee before and I don't remember her saying anything like that. Just because there's nothing for you to react to doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressured at all. You reacted to the idea of pressure pretty bad imo.

Yes it is day 1. Yes a townie is probably gonna die. I do care who dies and I'm OK with nk15 and chickadee dying lol.

I like the fact someone town reads me and doesn't want to explain why. That never happens lol.

Did I say you said I did?

No seriously he's gonna need to provide some content that makes sense I already said that.

Who's your top scum reads chickadee? Just names no reasons.

Earlier on you asked Eth0s to provide context for his reads. Here, you tell me to just give reads, no context needed. Why do his reads need context, but not mine?

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:

Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.


This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.


Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.

Noted. Understand completely. I’m done with it.

Havo says, followed by a sharp sigh of relief.

Stop. Havo is being a good sport here. The antagonizing is not appreciated. You've had your 1v1, now go focus elsewhere for a while.

[Chickadee]

I'm not trying to stick my head in the sand. I was responding to Havo who found it suspicious people were not joining an RVS(?) wagon and sorta expressing my dislike of that remark, as I just think quickhammering <24 into a game is crap. Other than that there's not much to talk about.

Claim is Vanilla Town.

There's almost nothing to go on for me imo aside from a few random votes and Havo's weirdish suspicion. And I'd honestly be irritated if anyone were to get hammered this quickly.

I don't see why I wouldn't be contributing postively. Are the people random voting me doing so? You asked me 3 questions and I answered them.

I like that you're sounding very reasonable here about the quick hammering.

VOTE: TChill13

Hm, why this vote out of all the people on the wagon? (Also rereading I found out I wasn't at L-1 when profi said so, I was at L-2). I've seen townie Tchill put town to actual L-1 earlier.

I'm not sure if scum!havo would quickhammer a town wagon just because of the attention it will bring. I'd see a townie do it sooner if that makes sense.

Surely as Profii says in 101 if you're gonna mislynch on D1 it'd be better to lynch VT than a power role, but that is IF we mislynch. We have 2 weeks ahead of us and although we don't have to use all of that time... getting the game to flow might just increase the likelihood of catching scum D1 although it's a long shot. Also Eth0s' post was indeed a bit opportunistic (perhaps not the right word??) although I'm not too worried about it for now, it was page 1 and early RVS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also yeah no I wouldn't play against my wincon/not participate with any alignment. I still don't see how the f I was supposed to have reads in my last post if there's next to nothing to talk about except a wagon on myself and some RVS votes.

was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo

Is it fake because you're scumreading me?

All I have for now. Chumba, Profii leaning town.

But then you ruin it with this. Scum will do anything. Especially if you can see town them doing it. You clearly understand this idea because:

I think it's definitely anti town but if you look at players (Havo and T) who have the same attitude towards it every game (or well - I assume they have?) I doubt it is really AI.

I think meta arguments aren't too strong normally.
Town may keep their earlier town game for obvious reasons.
Town may leave their earlier town game in case it didn't lead to good results.
Town may stay with their earlier scum game if it's their normal style.
Town may leave their earlier scum game because they play different as town.
Scum may keep to their earlier town game because it's hiding them and/or it's their playstyle.
Scum may leave their earlier town game if it made them look scummy.
Scum may keep their earlier scum game if it helped them win or do well.
Scum may ditch their earlier scum game if they got caught or were obvscum.

If that makes sense.

I feel that meta arguments are usually wobbly as either town or scum may have reason to stick to or leave previous meta. I have town meta on tchill and Havo and I wouldn't be able to solidly tell whether they're scum emulating their town play (albeit a small part of course) or town being themselves.

Obviously y'all could see this differently but I thought I'd throw these thoughts out there

I really just think your posts aren't well thought out right now. They seem fluffy so far.

[Chickadee]

Schadd and nk to come in a bit. I have things to do for the day.

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:

Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.


This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.


Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.

Noted. Understand completely. I’m done with it.

Havo says, followed by a sharp sigh of relief.

Stop. Havo is being a good sport here. The antagonizing is not appreciated. You've had your 1v1, now go focus elsewhere for a while.

Why would I listen to the one who unvoted me in an attempt to make me stop focusing my top scumread?

Sorry friendo, that is not why I unvoted you. Try again.

[Chickadee]

but let's all take the moment to appreciate the amazing performance by scumfuck chickadee feat. (mis)reppin havo

VOTE: chickadee
in case i changed it

i'd vote for havo as well if i could

Thats a horrible rendition of my reaction to the 1v1 between Havo and Eth0s. I was talking about the entire thing, not individual posts.

[Chickadee]

i don't think havo is going to flip town

Havo is definitely going to flip town here

This whole game has been entirely hard to connect with so far.

Havo, are you planning on claiming?

[Chickadee]

Schadd could be town. It's hard to tell. I don't have much more to say on that front. It's hard to tell what Schadd is about, just as a person. He's got a very...unique...headspace. But I like in his limited ISO that he seems to be thinking about things. I don't like that it is so short however.



Nk15 still to come.

[Chickadee]

>implying my goal isn't to lynch you regardless of your alignment

I would be fine with Chumba or Profii. I've honestly been expecting more from the Profii slot.

[Chickadee]

>implying my goal isn't to lynch you regardless of your alignment

I would be fine with Chumba or Profii. I've honestly been expecting more from the Profii slot.

frick...someday I'll remember about quotes I "Q+"'d

That day will not be soon.

Anyway, I didn't like that quote from schadd. It has nothing to do with my feelings about Chumba or Profii.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Chumba

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:
This game has just been really hard for me to get into, and therefor gets reads.

Tchill, you're going after semantics, but your semantics are wrong. "Bad at being a town player" is a general statement about someone's play style. The use of "are" is irrelevant here. It just means current play style.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Tchill

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Tchill

For not understanding how "are" works or?

For pushing a ridiculius narrative.



I'm really thinking Havo is town here, and I don't know about a Chumba wagon anymore.


Side note, Chumba Wagon is a great band name.

[Chickadee]

If we're really going to be stubborn enough to limit ourselves to Chumba or Havo, I'll vote Chumba, but where is everyone else?

[Chickadee]

VOTE: tchill

I’m not being anywhere near a havo or chumba wagon as I’m pretty clear this is a personality clash not a manipulation. Tchil however isn’t clashing with personalities he is advocating a push on chumba for a play i expect chumba to make when scum hunting (annoying as he can be )

Tchil do you think where myself and chumba were commenting on our unusual agreements on reads very early on would be a scum play? I don’t know if scum openly buddy but I can’t think of a reason they would?

Scum openly buddy all the time.

[Chickadee]

So, you're realizing there may not be enough interest in a Chumba lynch, and you're working down your list?

[Chickadee]

I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.

This posts was made a while back. I realize there's a scenario where chumba and havo are town here.

Profii looks pretty scummy imo. He did then and he does now.

Ok, so you're not denying to just working down a list?

[Chickadee]

vt in chumba too

why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?

I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaim

??? How does that actually answer the question?

He's saying that he wasn't saying vanilla town.

he was adding on another "versus town" in Chumba.


Pedit: I did, and it's not off the table for me, but I'd like to ask some questions before blindly jumping in on the wagon, especially considering I'm currently voting Tchill, and Tchill just switched.

[Chickadee]

vt in chumba too

why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?

I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaim

I get you now think it is t v t v t, but that doesn't explain why you felt the need to point out you think I am a vt

He never said he thought you vanilla town.



This entire game is under some semantically challenged curse.

[Chickadee]

Welcome, Brass, I look forward to actually getting content from your slot

[Chickadee]

2 scum could easily be lurking.

thats oddly specific...

I was just about to come in and say the same thing.

[Chickadee]

I never voted sheep because his play is always bad. He doesn’t do anything as either alignment. I have a hard time reading him.

[Chickadee]

I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo

You always say this.

I don’t think I have played a game with you where you didn’t say “x is so bad I’ll have to blacklist them”

[Chickadee]

I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo

You always say this.

I don’t think I have played a game with you where you didn’t say “x is so bad I’ll have to blacklist them”

There ya go chickadee. Now how often is he wrong?

It's usually said about town.

[Chickadee]

We're not doing that. That's an incredibly bad idea.

[Chickadee]

I endorse a nk lynch

^^

Okay, so, by my count, we have 4 votes on NK, 2 people saying they would be fine with NK lynch but not voting NK, Havo who indicated early he would quickhammer.

First, I guess I understand why Tchill and Chumba are not voting for NK right now.

Second, profii is in a category of his own for being the only person endorsing this mass claim from someone of whom I find he has been strangely protective.

Third, Chickadee has said no to the mass claim, but I would like to hear what she has to say other than it's a terrible idea. @Chickadee, are you against an NK lynch?

P-edit: Chumba, I just disagree with the top read here, I think. As I stated before I feel like this PR hunt rocketed NK to my top scum suspect, but I think this might be a reasonable minds may differ sort of thing right now.

I am absolutely not against an NK lynch. I'm currently juggling the question of wether Profii and NK could be scum together.

I’m really struggling to read Not Known

He had some weird scum reasons early on - like lack of reaction scum indicative etc- that’s bad
He gets involved in the drama bit and finds some fairly valid reads when he isn’t tunnelling HWS
I liked the principle of trying to get the scum pool tied to early claims but I’m sure we willl ire out a lot of VTs- I don’t agree with his scum pool though, particularly his reason for chickodee and not tchill being there

I’d really like to vote him just to get some info via flips and move on but I just think it’s a bad move rn

After defending NK, and someone pointing it out, this feels a bit like a backpedal

I'd argue that I haven't even been lurking. I might have gone a few days without posting but my iso is not exactly devoid of content.

I know you've been sick, but it does feel a bit like you Beetlejuice into the game.




VOTE: Not Known15

[Chickadee]

Profii, Nero, NK scum team?

I don't know. I just need a flip at this point.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: profii

oh nvm, he's not at l-1

VOTE: N15

other than an RVS type of vote on HWS these have been my main lynch targets. Sometimes it makes me feel weird that chick is calling us a scumteam.

And actually, I explicitly said we were

not

a scum team. You could still be on one though.

Havo
Current post count this game: 111 (rn...)
Game 1982- role VT, complete after 5 days, postcount 85
Game 1972- role VT, complete after 6 days, post count 131
Game 1954- role 2 shot BP, complete after 4 days, post count 154
Game 1959- role good doctor, died after 2 days, post count 53


Havo is unusually posting a lot in this game. I’ve only played with him once but Chumba has noticed - I think this is a matter of juicy role = make the effort to post. Could be PR but I think scum

This is an extraordinarily bad post. Can we lynch Profii tomorrow?

[Chickadee]

No, Chumba, what people are saying is that the whole "It's me or Havo" thing was stupid if you're town.

[Chickadee]

Oh yea, scum are probably rolling, watching all this.

[Chickadee]

idc what the nk is. chumba's the lynch tomorrow.

This is a terrible mindset. With every flip you should be reevaluating. Just because Chumba promotes toxic behavior in games does not mean he's always scum.

[Chickadee]

Chumba said he's gonna replace out anyway. Are you saying you're not even gonna give the replacement a chance if that happens?

[Chickadee]

I thought I was getting lynched? I’m not going to be able to continue playing past this day phase and I’d rather not make a replacement come in.

Did you miss this post Tchill?

[Chickadee]

Everything from brass sounds like reading from a script so far.

I also don’t like profii, for pretty much any posts so far.



I’ll be home later and can contribute more.

[Chickadee]

Shameless prodge.

I'll have time to get to this game tomorrow in earnest, but not until tomorrow night. I want to look back over some things from yesterday. All I'm really remembering was chumba vs have, and I know there was more to the day than that.

[Chickadee]

Votecount 1.2

HeWhoSwims

(5): sheepsaysmeep, Nero Cain, Chumba, Tchill13, Not Known 15

sheepsaysmeep

(2): Jodaxq, eth0s

schadd_

(1): profii

eth0s

(1): Havo

Chickadee

(1): osuka

Havo

(1): HeWhoSwims

Not Voting

(2): Chickadee, schadd_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The question is, Chickadee, do we think scum are on the wagon?

Probably, I mean theres a statistically good chance. I'd need more content/interactions to really decide that.

I was going to do the bigger ISOs, except i dont like doing them in ISO as i get conf bias - so i tend to just re-read the thread for context.

i thought it was funny that my 2 initial scum reads were on this wagon. So I figure why not see what Chickodee says now

I don’t really know what you’re expecting of me here. Who are the two you were referencing? At the point you quoted I stated I didn’t have info to scum read. Are you asking how my read has evolved?

[Chickadee]

Currently on The HeWhoSwims wagon you quoted I am scum reading brass (sheep). I said as much on my first D2 post.

[Chickadee]

I wasn’t trying to shut anything down. I had literally already answered your question in the first post of the day.

[Chickadee]

TBF, I was in a game where scum replaced out so their slot wouldn't get lynched but agree that it's mostly NAI. I don't think Chumba threatening to replace out is scummy.

Chumba never threatened to replace out. He stated he might have to for personal reasons.


People, come on

[Chickadee]

replace outs aren't AI i thought?

“I’m going to be really gamey”

Yes I know they are usually not but if that slot is scum and it was me I’d just lurk my way to victory the way this seems to be going

I just don't see how this is a good reason to override what you've seen from the rest of the game. There are so many different reasons sheep could have replaced out and a large majority of those have nothing to do with the game.

Sheep was permabanned for being underage

[Chickadee]

VOTE: brassherald

[Chickadee]

I keep forgetting schadd is in this game.

SCHADDINGTON BEAR COME OUT TO PLAAAAAYYY

[Chickadee]

Who wants to join me in never lynching chumba or havo so when they both flip town after we caught all the scum we can all laugh together? Anyone?

Profii is scum. Brass is scum with him.

Nero you're on the right track imo.

I've been saying the same thing...

[Chickadee]

Chumba, I am going to explicitly and plainly ask you: do you have a guilty?

[Chickadee]

I'm not scum. I want to separate game mechanics from Chumba's death tunnel. If it's a no, that's all I need. I don't care what his role is. If it's a yes, that's all I need. I don't need to know what his role is.

[Chickadee]

I know theres been quite a bit of commenting on the "claim pool" but you cant really call me out for role fishing when you were fine with this idea.

out of interest, given the involvement of tchill in the dramasphere/lynchpool whatever you want to call it, is there a particular reason you haven't included him?

Yes. They were not involved in the 1v1 discussion until it got defused(not fully, eth0s still scumreaded Havo for a bit). They were involved in the grammatics fight, fair point. I wouldn't fight against their inclusion in the claim group but the bigger it becomes the worse it is- we don't want to see all our PR's in that group. Or help scum to find out the remaining PR's.

fair point, I don't think your plan will fly with the group or the people you wish to claim but I still think its a clever idea.

I don’t get how the person who made this post

with 2 VT claims already been made we cannot afford more claims this early, to protect our power roles we cannot keep putting people under claim pressure and then backing off.

Now wants 4 more people to claim.

I see your point but I think the idea is the 4 identified players have a high chance of flipping at least 1 scum, which you must agree with based on your havo stuff, so the idea is to trap these specific dudes. I think that also reduces the risk of requiring future claims as we have something to work with.

Didn't you say you town read eth0s, Havo, and Chumba? Why are you okay with this then?

the play is a clever idea - I think it is an interesting way of trapping scum if one thinks scum is in that lynch pool

I said I like his idea as an out of the box way of trapping potential scum- sooooo many players on this site play mafia by reading the manual and scum read people who don’t, so I found his plan quite refreshing and had a very logical way of describing how the unusual play of claim pool might benefit us - not sure how new the guy is to this site, I’d be highly interested to know if this ties in with his meta.

I’ve very carefully not commented on my reads because I still think it’s unlikely that scum are in that claim pool


I do take chumba point on board that we’ve already had some claims which I admit I had forgotten - I can remember HWS but I can’t rememeber the other one. Obviously NK was involved in eliciting the HWS claim so that is a negative

[Chickadee]

Chumba you never answered my question.

[Chickadee]

@HWS I mentioned Brass twice this day phase before laying down a vote.

Everything from brass sounds like reading from a script so far.

I also don’t like profii, for pretty much any posts so far.



I’ll be home later and can contribute more.

Currently on The HeWhoSwims wagon you quoted I am scum reading brass (sheep). I said as much on my first D2 post.

VOTE: brassherald

[Chickadee]

I am completely uninvested in his game because of tunnels and running around in circles. :/

[Chickadee]

I have zero ambition to read the last 3 pages. Profii and brass need rope.

[Chickadee]

Intent.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: profii

[Chickadee]

Sound ominous.

[Chickadee]

I've been scum reading you the whole time. So yea.

[Chickadee]

Nero why?


VOTE: Havo

[Chickadee]

Now Osuka, why the self vote?

[Chickadee]

Why would you self vote?

Now Osuka, why the self vote?

never knew there was an echo on beale

Nah, more like an echo in Elmwood.

Too many people on Beale.

[Chickadee]

Shameless prodge. I have been exceptionally busy. I will catch up.

To however asked me why Havo now (I’m phone posting, it’s a pain) I just want to get somewhere in this game. So far the whole game feels like Chumba and Havo shouting about each other. I’d like that to stop. The entire mood of this game has me wholly uninvested in playing.

[Chickadee]

Honestly I don't even care if I lose this game, because between Havo, Chumba, and tchill all tunneling and making the game toxic, I don't have the desire to play it. The entire game feels like one big argument.

[Chickadee]

I would agree the blame doesn't fall on you, but you are wrapped up in it because of a tunnel on you. Like, the tunnel on you is a contributing factor, and it's not your fault. But it's really killed the game.

[Chickadee]

I would agree the blame doesn't fall on you, but you are wrapped up in it because of a tunnel on you. Like, the tunnel on you is a contributing factor, and it's not your fault. But it's really killed the game.

Then resolve it. Liked I begged for on DAY 1

Vote Chumba and let’s get moving.

Even if Chumba were town, he’s destroyed this entire game.
Vote his ass out.

You literally just called me out for voting you and saying that I wanted to go somewhere in this game. Now you're wanting me to vote Chumba so we can get the game moving......................

[Chickadee]

Honestly I don't even care if I lose this game, because between Havo, Chumba, and tchill all tunneling and making the game toxic, I don't have the desire to play it. The entire game feels like one big argument.

who did tchill tunnel in a way that was problematic?

Profii. He just wouldn't let it go. And yes, I know I voted for Profii.


And Chumba, you've refused to give any other input on who might be scum. You've had a one track mind. If you're claiming to have mechanical knowledge that Havo is scum, you need to be blunt about it. The rest of the game needs to be able to differentiate between your stubborn tunnel, and actual game mechanics. Right now thats not clear.

And I never replace out of games.

[Chickadee]

Shameless prodge. I have been exceptionally busy. I will catch up.

To however asked me why Havo now (I’m phone posting, it’s a pain) I just want to get somewhere in this game. So far the whole game feels like Chumba and Havo shouting about each other. I’d like that to stop. The entire mood of this game has me wholly uninvested in playing.

Okay. Why Havo and not Chumba?

Havo feels more manipulative. Chumba feels more stubborn.

[Chickadee]

I could easily ask you the same considering you plan on voting there.

[Chickadee]

Joey....I wish I could give you a warm welcome.....this game is really something -_-

[Chickadee]

I actually really like Joey's thoughts too.

Joey is town.

[Chickadee]

Oh snap. Well that's interesting.

VOTE: Osuka

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:

Just so no one piles onto that vote.

[Chickadee]

I’m also wondering why chic believed schadd at face value without considering he could be scum.

Felt genuine. I like the way events unfolded.

[Chickadee]

I'm ok with the mass claim. But it seems like people aren't around to do it.

[Chickadee]

Whatever. Town Doctor.

Joda, please claim.

[Chickadee]

Chumba, your definition of playing to your wincon is extremely narrow and stubborn. You haven't done anything except death tunnel a town slot.

[Chickadee]

or majority does.

The majority of us have already claimed.

[Chickadee]

Scum would need another town vote to rush in and quick lynch, no?

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Joda


Would also vote Osuka

[Chickadee]

Me too. Thanks.

[Chickadee]

Although she's acting like there were 2 scum left wich is rather derpy.

Oh yep, my bad.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Joda


Would also vote Osuka

at the same time this is likely scum yes but why this over our possible guilty?

Because no one else was voting there. I’d rather do osuka.

Still have a bit to catch up. Phone posting so hold on.

[Chickadee]

Oh there really wasn’t much to catch up on.

VOTE: osuka

[Chickadee]

i am tracker

night 1 nero visited nobody
night 2 osuka visited chumba
night 3 joey visited nobody

Why did you track these players? Did you leave any crumbs that hinted at being tracker?

VOTE: Joda


Would also vote Osuka

So no one is concerned at all about how Chick has now made two votes in LYLO and has no fear of people quickhammering?

I’m not the only one to throw out a vote

[Chickadee]

Everybody like how Joda is trying to throw shade on the claimed doctor?

[Chickadee]

That’s why I said claimed doctor instead of just THE doctor.

Seriously though I would in all realness I would like a list of all your alts that I haven’t already played with rob.

[Chickadee]

Chick said that she claimed doctor and not THE. What I'm saying is the from her pov she should think there'd be another doctor.

I just meant that y’all don’t have reason to believe or not believe my claim as of right now.

[Chickadee]

Also no0t entirely false.

[Chickadee]

Can we all just agree to lynch Osuka here then?

[Chickadee]

Schadd, I'm curious why you're not voting your guilty.

[Chickadee]

Weird indeed.

[Chickadee]

I would not be willing to lynch Nero.

I would be willing to settle for Joda if Osuka is not on the table anymore. I particularly don't like:

I still think Osuka is scummier than Schadd, but I'd like to see Schadd's post before I vote.

It's a weird reaction to a guilty.

[Chickadee]

Scum holding off is exactly where I was going. But i also think you're scum, soooo...

[Chickadee]

I've said as much.

[Chickadee]

Yeah that’s a good point. Why joey?

Hey chick. Out your saves and reasons please.

I have some thoughts but want your response first.

N1 I found myself largely busy the entire time it was night.
N2 I protected souk because I wasn't scum reading him at the time and thought he may have slipped just enough under the radar to be a good scum kill
N3 I'm honestly in so many games that I forgot I was the doctor in this one.


I know I have been a really bad doctor.

[Chickadee]

Osuka. Whoops. Auto correct got me there

[Chickadee]

SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS AN EVEN NIGHT DOC!

No. I just found myself overgamed in games where I was vt and forgot I was doc. And like I said, N1 I was almost completely away from the computer and night slipped by me.

[Chickadee]

@Chick I was just joking.

Fite me.


And I know. Lol