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I legit don’t like that you called him out for this but not me.
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Probably, I mean theres a statistically good chance. I'd need more content/interactions to really decide that.In post 74, profii wrote:The question is, Chickadee, do we think scum are on the wagon?
It would not be the first time, and it will not be the last.In post 78, osuka wrote:and really why are we talking about a page 3/4 hammer
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Don't have a heart attack over it. Townblocks can be good things.In post 120, Havo wrote:I don’t know about this. I can almost see a townbloc forming here. Lol.
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It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:In post 124, Havo wrote:In post 32, Chickadee wrote:You really dont want to do that.
I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.
Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.
Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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First off, fuck you for that. That's a shitty conclusion to what I wrote.In post 136, osuka wrote:
thats a shit reason for anythingIn post 126, Chickadee wrote:
It's not really my job to give you all my tells, but in the interest of cooperation here:In post 124, Havo wrote:In post 32, Chickadee wrote:You really dont want to do that.
I don't respond well to pressure as either alignment. It's pretty damning for me either way.
Do you get too defensive? What are we talking here?
I get too defensive, I repeat myself a lot, and then out of frustration, I usually shut down. I'm more likely to claim early as town if there's any pressure.
Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans, not because we scum buds.
The fact that you don’t deal well with [something] makes me want to expose you to it; people give away the most tells when they’re uncomfortable. Call me an asshole or whatever but I’m tempted to tunnel your slot for that reason alone
If you break down under pressure then maybe you shouldn’t be playing this game
Schadd suggested, with no reason, that we put my slot at L-1. I simply said it's not gonna get you anywhere. If you have real reasons to find me scummy then by all means push me. But if there's no reason to find me scummy, running me up isn't going to do anything, because I have nothing to respond to.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Cool, join the club. What else is new?In post 155, Jodaxq wrote:Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.
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Why answer this for sheep?In post 164, Tchill13 wrote:
Sheep doesn't say meep sheep hands out one word reads.In post 148, Jodaxq wrote:
I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?In post 90, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
meIn post 83, Tchill13 wrote:who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?
Again, at the time when it was suggested to put pressure on me, there was literally nothing for me to respond to.In post 166, Tchill13 wrote:
Main thing to note with chickadee is she stated she doesn't react well to pressure as either alignment so don't pressure her.In post 155, Jodaxq wrote:Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.
All I heard is "please don't give me any attention"
This is an awful train of thought. I hate that everyone here basically says "D1 is useless and a townie is going die, oh well." You should always care who dies.In post 179, Tchill13 wrote:And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.In post 180, Nero Cain wrote:
I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, playersIn post 77, osuka wrote:
not really, that's just a really bad way to play the gameIn post 63, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
youre very inexperienced thenIn post 62, osuka wrote:hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of
i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my backCOULDhold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.
Because I feel like it's easy for people to find reasons to scum read me. And I feel like that was a fairly common follow up comment to anticipate.In post 185, Nero Cain wrote:
Well, scum does that too. And I actually get the opposite vibe...as in scum that's worried they'll contribute to a mislynch.In post 89, Tchill13 wrote:I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny
I CARE! #vanillalivesmatterIn post 103, Chumba wrote:VTs don’t care if they are lynched
on one hand, I'm glad you said something but were you worried that we'd get called scum together?In post 126, Chickadee wrote:Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans,not because we scum buds.
k how?In post 150, eth0s wrote:Could see HWS scum
*wink wink* scum bud
I've played with tchill a handful of times. I've played with you too Havo.In post 208, Havo wrote:
Have you played with Chickadee before?In post 179, Tchill13 wrote:And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.
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That's pretty much my life
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Pro-tip, thats how you get pocketed.In post 219, Tchill13 wrote:I like the fact someone town reads me and doesn't want to explain why. That never happens lol.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Did I say you did?In post 221, Tchill13 wrote:Oh did I say he was lock town?Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Not based off of what has happened so far.In post 225, profii wrote:Chickadee - do you see HWS or NK15 flipping scum?Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Spoiler alert: I amIn post 259, Jodaxq wrote:
Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?In post 224, Chickadee wrote:Ethos and you, Tchill
I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.
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Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.
This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.
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Noted. I'm gonna do them one by one so as not to create a wall.In post 393, Not Known 15 wrote:
Can you also look at schadd and HWS and think about if they are potential lurking scum or not(HWS was under pressure, schadd was not)In post 391, Chickadee wrote:Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Still up in the air for tchill. I see that he's trying to produce content, it's just not great.
I still don't like that tchill responded here about sheep. I asked about it, and I don't think he ever responded to me post about it.In post 164, Tchill13 wrote:
Sheep doesn't say meep sheep hands out one word reads.In post 148, Jodaxq wrote:
I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?In post 90, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
meIn post 83, Tchill13 wrote:who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?In post 168, Tchill13 wrote:@notknown15 why are you worried about your vote being opportunistic? Scum can vote places without being oportunistic. That's not what it's about its about the scum motivation.
I still feel like this post is contradictory to the next post quoted here. First you don't care, then you do care but are fine with either me or NK dying.In post 179, Tchill13 wrote:And also. Yeah I really don't care if nk15 or chickadee was to get lynched this early. You know I don't care if someone is lynched this early. Yes I'd like to apply pressure but if it leads to a lynch so be it.In post 219, Tchill13 wrote:@havo I've played with chickadee before and I don't remember her saying anything like that. Just because there's nothing for you to react to doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressured at all. You reacted to the idea of pressure pretty bad imo.
Yes it is day 1. Yes a townie is probably gonna die. I do care who dies and I'm OK with nk15 and chickadee dying lol.
I like the fact someone town reads me and doesn't want to explain why. That never happens lol.
Earlier on you asked Eth0s to provide context for his reads. Here, you tell me to just give reads, no context needed. Why do his reads need context, but not mine?In post 223, Tchill13 wrote:Did I say you said I did?
No seriously he's gonna need to provide some content that makes sense I already said that.
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Stop. Havo is being a good sport here. The antagonizing is not appreciated. You've had your 1v1, now go focus elsewhere for a while.In post 398, eth0s wrote:
Havo says, followed by a sharp sigh of relief.In post 394, Havo wrote:In post 391, Chickadee wrote:UNVOTE:
Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.
This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.
Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.
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In post 64, HeWhoSwims wrote:I'm not trying to stick my head in the sand. I was responding to Havo who found it suspicious people were not joining an RVS(?) wagon and sorta expressing my dislike of that remark, as I just think quickhammering <24 into a game is crap. Other than that there's not much to talk about.
Claim is Vanilla Town.
I like that you're sounding very reasonable here about the quick hammering.In post 71, HeWhoSwims wrote:There's almost nothing to go on for me imo aside from a few random votes and Havo's weirdish suspicion. And I'd honestly be irritated if anyone were to get hammered this quickly.
I don't see why I wouldn't be contributing postively. Are the people random voting me doing so? You asked me 3 questions and I answered them.
But then you ruin it with this. Scum will do anything. Especially if you can see town them doing it. You clearly understand this idea because:In post 129, HeWhoSwims wrote:Hm, why this vote out of all the people on the wagon? (Also rereading I found out I wasn't at L-1 when profi said so, I was at L-2). I've seen townie Tchill put town to actual L-1 earlier.
I'm not sure if scum!havo would quickhammer a town wagon just because of the attention it will bring. I'd see a townie do it sooner if that makes sense.
Surely as Profii says in 101 if you're gonna mislynch on D1 it'd be better to lynch VT than a power role, but that is IF we mislynch. We have 2 weeks ahead of us and although we don't have to use all of that time... getting the game to flow might just increase the likelihood of catching scum D1 although it's a long shot. Also Eth0s' post was indeed a bit opportunistic (perhaps not the right word??) although I'm not too worried about it for now, it was page 1 and early RVS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also yeah no I wouldn't play against my wincon/not participate with any alignment. I still don't see how the f I was supposed to have reads in my last post if there's next to nothing to talk about except a wagon on myself and some RVS votes.
Is it fake because you're scumreading me?was a fake interpretation of the posts of Havo
All I have for now. Chumba, Profii leaning town.In post 184, HeWhoSwims wrote:I think it's definitely anti town but if you look at players (Havo and T) who have the same attitude towards it every game (or well - I assume they have?) I doubt it is really AI.
I think meta arguments aren't too strong normally.
Town may keep their earlier town game for obvious reasons.
Town may leave their earlier town game in case it didn't lead to good results.
Town may stay with their earlier scum game if it's their normal style.
Town may leave their earlier scum game because they play different as town.
Scum may keep to their earlier town game because it's hiding them and/or it's their playstyle.
Scum may leave their earlier town game if it made them look scummy.
Scum may keep their earlier scum game if it helped them win or do well.
Scum may ditch their earlier scum game if they got caught or were obvscum.
If that makes sense.
I feel that meta arguments are usually wobbly as either town or scum may have reason to stick to or leave previous meta. I have town meta on tchill and Havo and I wouldn't be able to solidly tell whether they're scum emulating their town play (albeit a small part of course) or town being themselves.
Obviously y'all could see this differently but I thought I'd throw these thoughts out there
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Sorry friendo, that is not why I unvoted you. Try again.In post 404, eth0s wrote:
Why would I listen to the one who unvoted me in an attempt to make me stop focusing my top scumread?In post 401, Chickadee wrote:
Stop. Havo is being a good sport here. The antagonizing is not appreciated. You've had your 1v1, now go focus elsewhere for a while.In post 398, eth0s wrote:
Havo says, followed by a sharp sigh of relief.In post 394, Havo wrote:In post 391, Chickadee wrote:UNVOTE:
Reading back, I'm thinking Eth0s is just bad town.
This 1v1 going on right now is really making it hard for me to get into this game though. Can y'all stop with all this "last game" shit? Not everyone was there. It should not play this bit a role within the context of this game. Personally, I don't have the interest level to go read games I wasn't a part of (and it's not required to do so), and therefor you're bringing in information that is not everyone has access to. Read each other this game. A comment or two about "such and such feels a bit different than usual" is fine. But it feels like you two are really relying heavily on this. Please stop.
Now I'm gonna go back and ISO tchill and nk15. Tchill because he was my other scum read, and nk because he's gotten a lot of attention.
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Thats a horrible rendition of my reaction to the 1v1 between Havo and Eth0s. I was talking about the entire thing, not individual posts.In post 435, osuka wrote:but let's all take the moment to appreciate the amazing performance by scumfuck chickadee feat. (mis)reppin havo
VOTE: chickadee
in case i changed it
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Havo is definitely going to flip town hereIn post 454, Chumba wrote:i don't think havo is going to flip town
This whole game has been entirely hard to connect with so far.
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Schadd could be town. It's hard to tell. I don't have much more to say on that front. It's hard to tell what Schadd is about, just as a person. He's got a very...unique...headspace. But I like in his limited ISO that he seems to be thinking about things. I don't like that it is so short however.
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I would be fine with Chumba or Profii. I've honestly been expecting more from the Profii slot.In post 33, schadd_ wrote:>implying my goal isn't to lynch you regardless of your alignmentInstagram: BoneSpellArts
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In post 549, Chickadee wrote:
I would be fine with Chumba or Profii. I've honestly been expecting more from the Profii slot.In post 33, schadd_ wrote:>implying my goal isn't to lynch you regardless of your alignment
frick...someday I'll remember about quotes I "Q+"'d
That day will not be soon.
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This game has just been really hard for me to get into, and therefor gets reads.
Tchill, you're going after semantics, but your semantics are wrong. "Bad at being a town player" is a general statement about someone's play style. The use of "are" is irrelevant here. It just means current play style.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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For pushing a ridiculius narrative.
I'm really thinking Havo is town here, and I don't know about a Chumba wagon anymore.
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Scum openly buddy all the time.In post 694, profii wrote:VOTE: tchill
I’m not being anywhere near a havo or chumba wagon as I’m pretty clear this is a personality clash not a manipulation. Tchil however isn’t clashing with personalities he is advocating a push on chumba for a play i expect chumba to make when scum hunting (annoying as he can be )
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Ok, so you're not denying to just working down a list?In post 711, Tchill13 wrote:
This posts was made a while back. I realize there's a scenario where chumba and havo are town here.In post 706, Tchill13 wrote:In post 532, Tchill13 wrote: I'm fine with lynching Chumba, profii and... Schadd. in that order.
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He's saying that he wasn't saying vanilla town.In post 714, Jodaxq wrote:
??? How does that actually answer the question?In post 710, profii wrote:
I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaimIn post 695, Chumba wrote:
why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?In post 692, profii wrote:vt in chumba too
he was adding on another "versus town" in Chumba.
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He never said he thought you vanilla town.In post 718, Chumba wrote:
I get you now think it is t v t v t, but that doesn't explain why you felt the need to point out you think I am a vtIn post 710, profii wrote:
I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaimIn post 695, Chumba wrote:
why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?In post 692, profii wrote:vt in chumba too
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I was just about to come in and say the same thing.In post 776, Nero Cain wrote:
thats oddly specific...In post 774, Tchill13 wrote:2 scum could easily be lurking.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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You always say this.In post 834, Chumba wrote:I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo
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It's usually said about town.In post 843, Tchill13 wrote:
There ya go chickadee. Now how often is he wrong?In post 838, Chickadee wrote:
You always say this.In post 834, Chumba wrote:I really hope havo is scum because his play here is so terrible that if he’s town I have to blacklist him and I like havo
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^^In post 887, Chumba wrote:I endorse a nk lynch
I am absolutely not against an NK lynch. I'm currently juggling the question of wether Profii and NK could be scum together.In post 914, brassherald wrote:Okay, so, by my count, we have 4 votes on NK, 2 people saying they would be fine with NK lynch but not voting NK, Havo who indicated early he would quickhammer.
First, I guess I understand why Tchill and Chumba are not voting for NK right now.
Second, profii is in a category of his own for being the only person endorsing this mass claim from someone of whom I find he has been strangely protective.
Third, Chickadee has said no to the mass claim, but I would like to hear what she has to say other than it's a terrible idea. @Chickadee, are you against an NK lynch?
P-edit: Chumba, I just disagree with the top read here, I think. As I stated before I feel like this PR hunt rocketed NK to my top scum suspect, but I think this might be a reasonable minds may differ sort of thing right now.
After defending NK, and someone pointing it out, this feels a bit like a backpedalIn post 928, profii wrote:I’m really struggling to read Not Known
He had some weird scum reasons early on - like lack of reaction scum indicative etc- that’s bad
He gets involved in the drama bit and finds some fairly valid reads when he isn’t tunnelling HWS
I liked the principle of trying to get the scum pool tied to early claims but I’m sure we willl ire out a lot of VTs- I don’t agree with his scum pool though, particularly his reason for chickodee and not tchill being there
I’d really like to vote him just to get some info via flips and move on but I just think it’s a bad move rn
I know you've been sick, but it does feel a bit like you Beetlejuice into the game.In post 945, Nero Cain wrote:I'd argue that I haven't even been lurking. I might have gone a few days without posting but my iso is not exactly devoid of content.
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In post 1026, Nero Cain wrote:other than an RVS type of vote on HWS these have been my main lynch targets. Sometimes it makes me feel weird that chick is calling us a scumteam.
And actually, I explicitly said we werenota scum team. You could still be on one though.
This is an extraordinarily bad post. Can we lynch Profii tomorrow?In post 1027, profii wrote:Havo
Current post count this game: 111 (rn...)
Game 1982- role VT, complete after 5 days, postcount 85
Game 1972- role VT, complete after 6 days, post count 131
Game 1954- role 2 shot BP, complete after 4 days, post count 154
Game 1959- role good doctor, died after 2 days, post count 53
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This is a terrible mindset. With every flip you should be reevaluating. Just because Chumba promotes toxic behavior in games does not mean he's always scum.In post 1086, Tchill13 wrote:idc what the nk is. chumba's the lynch tomorrow.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Did you miss this post Tchill?In post 1047, Chumba wrote:I thought I was getting lynched? I’m not going to be able to continue playing past this day phase and I’d rather not make a replacement come in.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Shameless prodge.
I'll have time to get to this game tomorrow in earnest, but not until tomorrow night. I want to look back over some things from yesterday. All I'm really remembering was chumba vs have, and I know there was more to the day than that.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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I don’t really know what you’re expecting of me here. Who are the two you were referencing? At the point you quoted I stated I didn’t have info to scum read. Are you asking how my read has evolved?In post 1148, profii wrote:In post 76, insanity018 wrote:Votecount 1.2
HeWhoSwims(5): sheepsaysmeep, Nero Cain, Chumba, Tchill13, Not Known 15
sheepsaysmeep(2): Jodaxq, eth0s
schadd_(1): profii
eth0s(1): Havo
Chickadee(1): osuka
Havo(1): HeWhoSwims
Not Voting(2): Chickadee, schadd_
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
I was going to do the bigger ISOs, except i dont like doing them in ISO as i get conf bias - so i tend to just re-read the thread for context.In post 93, Chickadee wrote:
Probably, I mean theres a statistically good chance. I'd need more content/interactions to really decide that.In post 74, profii wrote:The question is, Chickadee, do we think scum are on the wagon?
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