Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Jodaxq]

Hello everyone

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

[Jodaxq]

Hello everyone

Oh yeah, sup girl.

Very nice to see you again, my friend.

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: hws

but youre hesitant to put out a random vote because?

I legit don’t like that you called him out for this but not me.

tbf you didn't threaten to put out a vote and hws did

I don't like that you answered this post instead of Sheep

[Jodaxq]

in what way

what is town supposed to say

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

I feel like being angry at being wagoned and hammered early goes both ways, and I actually feel like scum would hate it more.
What about HWS isn't participating positively?

[Jodaxq]

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

What flip? How does removing a L-1 vote while catching up seem scummy?

[Jodaxq]

who thinks NK15 is town after that flip on his stance?

me

I think you are the only one so far who has a town read on Not Known. Could you expand on it for me?

[Jodaxq]

Town is supposed to:
bring reads on someone else
be angry to be threatened with the hammer this early
try to partipiciate positively in general

Nothing of that applies to HWS.

all of this is false. I literally just completed a game where the town doctor was threatened with a lynch and was lynched and he didn't do any of those things.

what people have told me over and over again on my other accounts and I never really listened applies here.

Not everyone is going to play the way you expect them to. Just because somebody plays different to your expectations doesn't make them scum.

nothing hws is alignment indicative and if you say it is you are lying.

I said town is supposed to.
If HWS is someone like Not Mafia(the player that didnt claim 2-shot doc in your last game, not cooperative, badly readable, and otherwise anti-town(and also not really interested into winning and partipiciating positively))

then I see no reason not to lynch them Day 1. After all, you don't want to have such players in LYLO anyways, and they wont catch the nightkill unless they are a power role, and HWS claimed vanilla

. So yes, they could be:
scum that tried to fake calmness
A Vanilla Townie with an anti-town playstyle
Scum with an anti-town playstyle.
That's a good reason to lynch them Day 1.

This is just so weird. I've never got even a whiff of a Not_Mafia playstyle from HWS. I really don't understand your progression in this push.

[Jodaxq]

@Not Known, please explain to me why you think HWS has been anti-town. And don't say it's because he didn't have reads on page 3.

@TChill, why are you still voting HWS if you believe Not Known is scum?

[Jodaxq]

Nero isnt here again.

Whats the point of this after chick told ya'll I had the flu?

Is there a point to coming in here just to make this post?

[Jodaxq]

Profii's play has me a bit concerned.

What about profii's play has you concerned? He's had pretty good observations so far I think

[Jodaxq]

Chickadee's posting bothers me. Nothing proactive at all.

[Jodaxq]

That's NK15 at 5 I think, another vote and Havo may likely hammer, think carefully from here on in

I feel like profii is being overly aware of this Havo hammering situation. It's starting to feel kinda lamist. Like "hey look at me I'm the one that's keeping us from having a quick hammer!"

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: tchill

Do you have a reason for this vote other than sheeping profii?

[Jodaxq]

@Not Known, please explain to me why you think HWS has been anti-town. And don't say it's because he didn't have reads on page 3.

I was more speaking of the possible player mindset behind this calmness. An anti-town mindset(doesnt really care about winning the game and partipiciating) would be a possible explanation(which would also apply to town playing anti-town), or a scum perspective. That doesn't mean that HWS has to be playing anti-town.... they could simply be scum caught faking towniness.

I see what you're saying, but I think you stretched this way too far. You were comparing him to Not_Mafia in terms of anti-town play. Someone close to that level would have been obviously trolly.

[Jodaxq]

hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of

youre very inexperienced then

not really, that's just a really bad way to play the game

i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my back

I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, players

COULD

hold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.

Is this you advocating for a Havo policy lynch? I'm confused at this point of this post.

[Jodaxq]

I think it's definitely anti town but if you look at players (Havo and T) who have the same attitude towards it every game (or well - I assume they have?) I doubt it is really AI.

I think meta arguments aren't too strong normally.
Town may keep their earlier town game for obvious reasons.
Town may leave their earlier town game in case it didn't lead to good results.
Town may stay with their earlier scum game if it's their normal style.
Town may leave their earlier scum game because they play different as town.
Scum may keep to their earlier town game because it's hiding them and/or it's their playstyle.
Scum may leave their earlier town game if it made them look scummy.
Scum may keep their earlier scum game if it helped them win or do well.
Scum may ditch their earlier scum game if they got caught or were obvscum.

If that makes sense.

I feel that meta arguments are usually wobbly as either town or scum may have reason to stick to or leave previous meta. I have town meta on tchill and Havo and I wouldn't be able to solidly tell whether they're scum emulating their town play (albeit a small part of course) or town being themselves.

Obviously y'all could see this differently but I thought I'd throw these thoughts out there

So you have a town meta read on TChill and Havo but you spent an entire post saying that you don't think meta reads are all that strong? Why do feel the need to hedge your thoughts in this way?

[Jodaxq]

I'm townreading tchill because I want to.

What the.... no that is not a valid response to a questioned townread. It looks more like a post to hide that they are scum and have absolutely nothing to back up a made up townread. Probably they hope it will get lost after the day ends in my mislynch. Don't make that mistake. If you see my green flip, think about this at night.
VOTE: eth0s

I claim VT.

See I’m not going to get on that lynch. That eth0s post

was awful

Isn't this contradictory?

[Jodaxq]

NK15 - I’m glad you brought up counterwagons because I need to post a vote.

Now, I made a case against tchil which was pretty solid (if I do say so myself) except as TChil rightly pointed out, it was based on him putting a L-1 vote down which wasn’t the case

When I went through the case again, schadd laid down a vote without saying anything, so because I believe my case was awesome I took it as sheeping...

So then it transpired I was wrong- this makes tchil less scummy, but at the time my case looked strong- could schadd be thinking the wagon was going to take off so best to get in quietly to push along what we can now see is more likely to be a mislynch?

I could be being really arrogant because this is based on my own read / case etc so thought I’d put that to someone else to give an opinion

Profii doing a lot of justifying for his votes. Is this profii's scum game?

[Jodaxq]

d1 massclaim amirite

You've been rather reserved this game...

[Jodaxq]

d1 massclaim amirite

would like to ask that this doesnt end up happening

btw my nk townread was for his confidence
and his telling everyone remember that l-1 is a hammer
it felt much more newbtown than newbscum

Why do you consider Nk15 a newbie?

[Jodaxq]

Ethos and you, Tchill

I would say Ethos is probably scummier than you are at the moment for me.

Why aren't you voting for Eth0s then?

[Jodaxq]

chumba is town
profii is town

chickadee is prolly town

VOTE: chumba

what happened

i didnt like the post before my vote

reads change

The "reads change" part comes across as pretty defensive.

[Jodaxq]

ever gonna explain that vote?

no sir

Um.... lol?

[Jodaxq]

@jodaxq - to be more clear

I liked NKs response so I wasn’t getting on the NK wagon... however I didn’t like the eth0s post so I voted

You didn't vote for eth0s though. You made your case for Schadd in the next post

[Jodaxq]

Whoever pushed the havo lynch is scummy af because I completely forgot Nero was in the game which means half the player list is lurking. I'd rather rando vote a lurker at this point.

Well I'm sick of the lurkers. Jk get well soon.

Who do you think has been lurking? From what I can see it's only really HWS and Schadd. Maybe me also? This seems very aggressive to all of a sudden come out with "half the player list is lurking" when everyone but three had posted within the past couple of hours.

[Jodaxq]

I think eth0s is very strongly town from the 1v1. I agree with the points TChill made about not wanting to expose himself with a fit like this if he were scum.

[Jodaxq]

Profii's behavior around the 1v1 is concerning to me. He popped in and out without trying to interfere with anything, he kept putting off having a reaction - "I'm not sure what to make about eth0s' breakdown," and he came in with a pretty opportunistic vote on Havo.

[Jodaxq]

if it's me and havo scum then why aren't you hopping on one of our wagons... and why did you agree with me 100% on my scumread of havo when you thought I was finished with you? Why did you 180 back to being on the offensive about me once I was no longer scumreading havo? Your play is obviously dependent on others and your defensiveness and weird voting patterns/opportunism makes you a great lynch for today.

I have to agree with Eth0s, unfortunately. I am not sure if Ethos vs Havo is scum vs scum or town vs scum. But Havo's 1v1 behaviour was very bad. So was(here I agree with Tchill) the action of chickadee. Let's look what happens:VOTE: Havo

Still leaving a lot of important q's unanswered... I can't fathom how a townie would see our 1v1 as s/s.

It reminded me of a Newbie game that featured such a 1v1... and both were scum.
When things were going to be serious... you suddenly were

not certain

anymore and backed off.
I see a high chance for you both to be scum.
But if one of you isn't scum then it is you.
However, with 9 days before deadline I'd like to see more pressure on sheep because I am not sure if I will be alive tomorrow.

Why does that make it likely that this was an SvS interaction?
Why do you think you won't be alive tomorrow?

[Jodaxq]

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

This post is really bad. Profii, who has made sure to let everyone know that Havo hammers at L-1 so we don't get a quick lynch, is talking in this post like Havo is a done deal and tried to push his lynch through quickly.

[Jodaxq]

jodax what do you make of my case on chumba? do you agree?

I think it makes a lot of sense.

[Jodaxq]

I do think that’s uncharacteristic for profli. He is usually more verbose and logical

At the time of the post RE eth0s that got mentioned I felt eth0s had strayed from logical into annoyingly sweary argue mode

I.e I don’t mind a valid 1v1 based on a logical argument but they lost their way

What are you even saying here? How do these thing address you not being verbose and logical? How does this address your opportunistic vote on Havo?

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: havo

Phone posting, more to come after footy... give me a couple hours

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

definitely looks like profii expected the day to end.

I expected not to come back to pages of dribble

Yeah I hate this response.

VOTE: profii

[Jodaxq]

ah fuck

i have a townblock of chumb/chick/eth0s/havo/nk/tchill
so like
eh

Could you please explain your town block?

[Jodaxq]

I think eth0s is very strongly town from the 1v1. I agree with the points TChill made about not wanting to expose himself with a fit like this if he were scum.

Profii's behavior around the 1v1 is concerning to me. He popped in and out without trying to interfere with anything, he kept putting off having a reaction - "I'm not sure what to make about eth0s' breakdown," and he came in with a pretty opportunistic vote on Havo.

i agree that ethos comes off as town from the 1v1

but the fact that profii didnt interfere doesn't bother me at all because it's what i would've done if i were online at the time. sometimes you gain more information from just letting the game play out

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

This post is really bad. Profii, who has made sure to let everyone know that Havo hammers at L-1 so we don't get a quick lynch, is talking in this post like Havo is a done deal and tried to push his lynch through quickly.

to be fair, i like the thought of havo havoing himself

osuka, you are exactly on my wavelength at this point.

havo havoing himself was an amusing thought than a push to lynch (this sentence aimed at Jodaxq criticism)

I've already pointed out the argument was becoming more insults than debate of facts so I stayed away. It just seemed tedious.

Does anyone else believe that profii's Havo Havoing himself post was just amusing? This was after he voted Havo and said there's no point in searching out another scum.

[Jodaxq]

Jodaxq seems like a logical poster, I get why she had concerns over some of my posts, but I'm glad that Osuka totally got where I was coming from- sometimes I worry that I'm terrible at written English and say stupid things, but if Osuka read it perfectly, it wasn't that bad. Either way I'm happy with both of them.

Yeah I don't like this at all. In what post did Osuka totally get where you are coming from? He said he didn't mind you not interfering with the 1v1 and then said he thought Havo Havoing himself was amusing (which I don't think he said that to defend you).
The biggest problems are your extremely opportunistic vote on Havo and your post where you say there's no point in hunting other scum. You dropped a vote on Havo and said you'd be away for awhile. Why the rush to vote Havo then? Why not wait until you came back to catch up and vote? Then, you come back, clarify you're still on Havo, and say there's no point in hunting like Havo already has enough votes to be lynched.

[Jodaxq]

Now nk15 had a great question. What does chumba gain by intervening instead of letting havo and eth0s go at each other?

Would there be more to gain from chumba sitting back or did chumba have enough ammo to make it a quick argument?

I don't know. You've already seen what I think scum would do day one. Sit back.

All Ik is profii definitely expected havo to be lynched by the next time he seen the thread and if chumba/profii are scum together THEN it makes sense for chumba to intervene I guess. Since profii showed no hesitation and felt confident havo would be lynched.

Other than a chumba/profii scum team it may have made more sense for chumba to just "sit back" as scum there.

It’s cause I’m not scum. Town Chumba would step in when somebody is lying. Havo flat out lied. You and he can deny it all you want but it actually fucking happened.

Maybe profli/havo are a team and profli wanted to get on unnoticed? Why haven’t you considered that theory? Bussing happens

Done? Why are you giving up?

You have the sole right to command when conversations stop and start this game? Which ones get to go on and which ones get to be shut down? Who died and made you king?

Im showing hesitation and he still gives up.

If havo is scum there's 2 others and he refuses to chase that Avenue even if I was working towards that with him.

Unwillingness to work with others.

!!!As soon as I mentioned he's only scum with profii he went from not reading profii until day 2 to saying profii was bussing havo!!!

Funny how that works.

It sounds like we should lynch profii.

[Jodaxq]

vt in chumba too

why did you feel the need to mention you think i am a vt?

I think the whole thing was town vs town vs town. It wasn’t a random softclaim

??? How does that actually answer the question?

[Jodaxq]

@Chickadee, didn't you say you'd be okay with a profii lynch earlier? What changed?

[Jodaxq]

There is at least one scum in Havo/eth0s/chumba/chickadee. Likely two. Maybe even three.
Three of them have told us all things that do not add up(Havo, Eth0s and Chumba). Havo and eth0s were on a 1v1. Chickadee intervened. Chumba tried to.
Something is really wrong here. I have the feeling that one of Havo and eth0s is definitely scum, and that one of the later is also scum trying to defuse a 1v1 with scum. Of these two Chumba is the more interesting candidate, because their attempt was not as in the open as the one of chumba.
I think we even should consider a massclaim for those four right now, because it nails down scum in these four to an early claim, and that can be very dangerous for scum in some circumstances. It also forces scum to clear scummy (strong)power role claims there via nightkill to prevent them from getting night info that clears them and incriminates scum.

Wtf?! How can asking for four claims at this point come from town?

What happened to your suspicion of HWS?

[Jodaxq]

And Profii is defending the idea?

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Jodaxq]

out of interest, given the involvement of tchill in the dramasphere/lynchpool whatever you want to call it, is there a particular reason you haven't included him?

Yes. They were not involved in the 1v1 discussion until it got defused(not fully, eth0s still scumreaded Havo for a bit). They were involved in the grammatics fight, fair point. I wouldn't fight against their inclusion in the claim group but the bigger it becomes the worse it is- we don't want to see all our PR's in that group. Or help scum to find out the remaining PR's.

fair point, I don't think your plan will fly with the group or the people you wish to claim but I still think its a clever idea.

I don’t get how the person who made this post

with 2 VT claims already been made we cannot afford more claims this early, to protect our power roles we cannot keep putting people under claim pressure and then backing off.

Now wants 4 more people to claim.

I see your point but I think the idea is the 4 identified players have a high chance of flipping at least 1 scum, which you must agree with based on your havo stuff, so the idea is to trap these specific dudes. I think that also reduces the risk of requiring future claims as we have something to work with.

Didn't you say you town read eth0s, Havo, and Chumba? Why are you okay with this then?

[Jodaxq]

I just love how this 1v1 is extending into twilight.

I don't think either player slipped anything

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: profii

If we insist on having Havo or Chumba lynch again, I will be intent to hammer on them, but, I think it's profii unless someone else has info.

This seems like you're pretty nonchalant about who you want to be lynched.

[Jodaxq]

What are the chances profii defended nk15 so when nk15 flipped town profii could say "told you so"

Seeing as I’m straight on the chopping block today & you posted this I’ve been waiting to do this for 2 days



Told you so


I might as well be an obnoxious gimp about this


I’ll be rereading the thread to see if I have a big scum lean on one of you lot that has just jumped straight on me. Odds are one scum will be in this little group that’s formed

So you did know that NK was town?

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: profii

Jodaxq I'm kind of alarmed you so readily jumped on nk15 when we had profii pinned down.

I'm sorry I overreacted to his posts. I thought he was newbscum like you said.

VOTE: Profii

This is L-2

[Jodaxq]

Profii is already throwing around a bunch of stuff and seeing what sticks. He's already given three different reasons for the eth0s kill.

[Jodaxq]

VOTE: profi

What happened to Chumba?

[Jodaxq]

TBF, I was in a game where scum replaced out so their slot wouldn't get lynched but agree that it's mostly NAI. I don't think Chumba threatening to replace out is scummy.

TBF, I was in a game where scum replaced out so their slot wouldn't get lynched but agree that it's mostly NAI. I don't think Chumba threatening to replace out is scummy.

Chumba never threatened to replace out. He stated he might have to for personal reasons.


People, come on

We all seem to be pretty good at misinterpreting people's posts.

[Jodaxq]

replace outs aren't AI i thought?

“I’m going to be really gamey”

Yes I know they are usually not but if that slot is scum and it was me I’d just lurk my way to victory the way this seems to be going

I just don't see how this is a good reason to override what you've seen from the rest of the game. There are so many different reasons sheep could have replaced out and a large majority of those have nothing to do with the game.

[Jodaxq]

TBF, tchill was the one that argued that chumba threated to replace out so like I'm commenting on that...

He hasn't said anything about that at all today?

[Jodaxq]

Replacing out is NAI. Profii is just trying to win town points by not leading a mislynch wagon.

This is an odd post. I can't describe it exactly, but it feels kind of defensive in a pre-emptive way. Are you expecting us to jump on you and lynch you? How would profii gain town points otherwise?

[Jodaxq]

Guys, didn't Chumba literally say there was a family emergency or at least something that needed his attention over an online game? Replace outs aren't AI as has been said and especially not this one. Even if it was supposed to be tactical then how's scum!chumba (scumba. hah.) even helping his own slot by leaving his replacement to solve all the problems?

The thing is we're not talking about Chumba's possible replace out. The comments today are in regards to profii saying sheep wouldn't have replaced out of this game if he were scum.

[Jodaxq]

Sorry all. Busy today and tomorrow. Will get caught up tomorrow night hopefully.

[Jodaxq]

I'm here. I'm catching up now. I should be able to post daily again.

[Jodaxq]

The more I think about it, the more I think the play by Profii to bring up the replace out was a really good play. I had no way to respond to it and his school buddy Nero has already been pushing me hard.

I'm guessing that Schadd is the last scum but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'll be here just avoiding prods unless I'm directly addressed. Eth0s is a good player and I'm looking forward to talking with him in the dead chat.

I really dislike this post. Profii brings up the replace out as a town argument, and you say it's a good play but you don't have a response? What are you even saying?

[Jodaxq]

Profii has been opportunistic as hell.

Profii is TRYING to look towny

I'm with you 100% on this

[Jodaxq]

I'm not scum. I want to separate game mechanics from Chumba's death tunnel. If it's a no, that's all I need. I don't care what his role is. If it's a yes, that's all I need. I don't need to know what his role is.

Chickodee - I said it was a bad tactic but town motivated. It didn’t help find scum in he claim pool - all it did was to serve NK in proving hisntown motivations. So I absolutely can say that

Tchil - I’ve said I’ll stop now - I can see you are stuck in a tunnel on me, but I also know I have a number of scum reads across the board. So I’m not in a position to lead the group to a majority scum lynch - I accept no one will follow me at this point. So if I can stop one mislynchn,that’s 1 town not dying. So by just dragging your tunnel out all it does is make you look bad, I’m already at the bottom, you’re coming down with me so feel free to keep pressing me

This is at least the second time you've accused someone of being "stuck in a tunnel" on you. I wonder why that is?

[Jodaxq]

I can’t even be bothered to wait for intent to hammer, I’ll just say I’m not role claiming- if you want to see my role, consider yourselves up against a poker player who is all in. The only way you get to see my cards is if you go all in too and if you just want to see my cards, that’s a bad bet.

I cringed reading this post. This is just awful.

[Jodaxq]

I read through Chumba's ISO over lunch as well as the argument between Havo and eth0s.

VOTE: Havo

I can't confirm anything, but I think I saw something there.

I read through Chumba's ISO over lunch as well as the argument between Havo and eth0s.

VOTE: Havo

I can't confirm anything, but I think I saw something there.

Let’s doooooo it

VOTE: Havo

Wtf is this? "I think I saw something there" is just about the worst argument in this thread. Think about that.

[Jodaxq]

I am completely uninvested in his game because of tunnels and running around in circles. :/

Yep. It made my catch up very uninteresting.

[Jodaxq]

Not a ton has changed for me. The TChill v Profii 1v1 really only enhanced my reads on the both of them.

Profii is still my number one.
The Chumba soft claims likely needs to be cleared up. I could get behind putting Chumba to L-1.
I like what I've seen from HWS in the recent pages.
Nero's progression on TChill doesn't feel natural. It seems overly aggressive.
Would like to see more from Osuka and Schadd. I don't think Osuka has posted anything original.

[Jodaxq]

I go from not liking how he opened the day to not liking his rushing a Profii lynch to thinking his posts are dense and manipulative to reiterating my scum read on said slot. Tell me what part doesn't make sense.

You just went from making a big post with TChill (at the bottom?) of your lynchpool with no reasons given to calling him "manipulative scumfuck" pretty confidently because he wanted to push through a lynch on a scum read. Maybe I'm biased because I want profii lynched, but that doesn't feel like a big reason to me. I haven't heard anything from you about his posts being dense and manipulative.

[Jodaxq]

Nero why?


VOTE: Havo

Why Havo all of a sudden?

[Jodaxq]

If you wanna lynch me feel free but let it be clear that it’s a policy lynch because your push on me is literally “he’s lurking therefore scum”

I really don't like this post. It's seems really paranoid. If lynching you is a policy lynch for lurking, who do we lynch? You, me, Chick, Nero, and Brass all have approximately the same amount of posts and Schadd and HWS are way behind. Compared to the output that Havo and Chumba have had we're all lurkers.

[Jodaxq]

This may be the most apathetic town I have ever seen.

It’s really baffling.

I was quite excited about this play list when I seen it fill out.

I couldn’t be more disappointed tbh.

I feel the same way.

[Jodaxq]

Lynch me today.

Lynch Chumba tomorrow and

Maybe town can still win this.

ITS THE ONLY SHOT TOWN HAS.

DO IT.

Why do we lynch you first?

[Jodaxq]

That’s 2 of

most likely 3

.

Why in the world would experienced town not think this is auto 3 scum?

I'm not but w/e you say.

No you’re scum.

If you were town you would have found 1 scum by now. Lol.

You’re too good a player to be this weak.

I think both these pushes are pretty weak tbh

[Jodaxq]

hi I just read the thread

I self voted because nothing was really happening, there were two empty votes and I thought it was funny. If none of you see the comic appeal then just keep in mind that I’m stupid

Besides what does a self vote accomplish in this scenario? If scum self hammers that’s one thing but I don’t know what self voting at the start of the day even means

So you admit you read the thread and this is what you have to say about it?
VOTE: Osuka

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Remind me of your thoughts have the Havo/chumba fight?

I find Chumba to be the scummier of the two. He's felt more manipulative to me, especially after day two with the switching to the "I know" without wanting to claim. I think the Havo/Eth0s fight could easily be a lengthy argument over semantics which we've seen plenty of in this game. I also felt like Havo was town from it because of the way profii acted around Havo's bandwagon. Profii's vote on Havo and his "no need for further scumhunting" post really made me think profii was scum and Havo was a mislynch target for him.

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Shameless prodge. I have been exceptionally busy. I will catch up.

To however asked me why Havo now (I’m phone posting, it’s a pain) I just want to get somewhere in this game. So far the whole game feels like Chumba and Havo shouting about each other. I’d like that to stop. The entire mood of this game has me wholly uninvested in playing.

Okay. Why Havo and not Chumba?

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Shameless prodge. I have been exceptionally busy. I will catch up.

To however asked me why Havo now (I’m phone posting, it’s a pain) I just want to get somewhere in this game. So far the whole game feels like Chumba and Havo shouting about each other. I’d like that to stop. The entire mood of this game has me wholly uninvested in playing.

You just wanna get somewhere in this game, but you have NO concern that another mislynch means LYLO tomorrow? LMAO.

But I thought you wanted us to lynch you first? Would lynching you not result in LYLO?

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Also keep in mind that every time havo calls/called me toxic, he’s basically admitting to me being town. If I were scum I wouldn’t be toxic, I’d be scum pushing his mislynch.

To me, this is manipulation in a very similar vein as to what you're accusing Havo of.

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Jodaxq-What is your plan to resolve the Havo and Chumba 1v1?

I think Chumba is the scummier of the two and I plan on voting there.

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Shameless prodge. I have been exceptionally busy. I will catch up.

To however asked me why Havo now (I’m phone posting, it’s a pain) I just want to get somewhere in this game. So far the whole game feels like Chumba and Havo shouting about each other. I’d like that to stop. The entire mood of this game has me wholly uninvested in playing.

Okay. Why Havo and not Chumba?

Havo feels more manipulative. Chumba feels more stubborn.

What about Chumba's softing of some kind of knowledge?

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I could easily ask you the same considering you plan on voting there.

I'm saying that unless he wants to actually clarify about his supposed knowledge, then it looks manipulative.

Do you believe Chumba's soft claim or do you just think Havo is the scummier of the two? If you don't believe it then why do you think it's just stubbornness?

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I think Chumba is the scummier of the two and I plan on voting there.

then what was the point in voting not Chumba?

I wanted to try and sort the other slots, and Osuka seems the most scummy to me.

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I also felt like Havo was town from it because of the way profii acted around Havo's bandwagon. Profii's vote on Havo and his "no need for further scumhunting" post really made me think profii was scum and Havo was a mislynch target for him.

this part is kinda dumb b/c he's dead confirmed town now. Like, I get that you felt this way about it THEN but there's not really a point in still believing in this and if you don't then I'm not sure why you are adding it to your response.

"Remind me of your thoughts" sounds like you wanted to know how I felt then. I do not still believe this. Havo looks less town because of profii's flip, but I still find Chumba scummier, mainly due to his softclaiming of knowledge without wanting to come out with it outright.

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I'm more inclined to believe Schadd than Osuka.

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I think it says alot of this playerlist that they haven't taken the initiative to continue with the massclaim but at the same time Osuka was supposed to popcorn so he's kinda holding us up. Maybe he has buddies that he doesn't want to claim?

We have a player who has refused to take part in the mass claim. I'm really not keen on continuing it until he agrees.

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I mean let's not jump to conclusions.

In one of my scumgames my partner tried to CC another PR to incriminate him in lylo. It can happen. I'm not sure which one of these 2 to trust more as they both aren't really in my town list at this point. Get back to ya tomorrow.

I don't like how noncommittal this post is.

Also, who is in your town list?

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joda/schadd/hws is who I am looking at but I totally expect to be lynched today

Did this come from your re-read? What caused you to reach this conclusion?

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Not much to talk about atm. I gave my thoughts on osuka v Schadd. Honda, you would be in my town list and I am slight townread on Chick. Nero is null and the other 3 are on about equal levels for now.

So is your scum team Osuka/Schadd, Chumba, and... Nero? Or do you think Osuka and Schadd can be scum together?

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Whatever. Town Doctor.

Joda, please claim.

I'm a VT

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VOTE: Joda


Would also vote Osuka

So no one is concerned at all about how Chick has now made two votes in LYLO and has no fear of people quickhammering?

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i am tracker

night 1 nero visited nobody
night 2 osuka visited chumba
night 3 joey visited nobody

Why did you track these players? Did you leave any crumbs that hinted at being tracker?

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I still think Osuka is scummier than Schadd, but I'd like to see Schadd's post before I vote.

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I didn’t shit on you at all actually. The insult only applies if you actually tracked me and I’m pretty sure everyone who’s dead or alive would agree with the general point of that statement. I don’t know how closely you’re paying attention to this game since you haven’t really been playing it.

And you aren’t confirmed town. Only I am.

You are most likely town but I wouldn’t put an elaborate bus past anyone since we’re still in the same situation. We lynch wrong and we lose.

I just want you to just out who you tracked instead of playing a guessing game.

I'm paying attention and afaik we don't have any role that conftowns you. Enlighten me.

Osuka claimed vt
Schad claimed tracker and tracked osuka to me
Osuka flipped mafia roleblocker

So no you aren’t paying attention

This is only true if schadd is confirmed tracker. Which by your own admission he's not.

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Anyway. I’m voting joda today so whenever we are ready just lmk.

I've already chalked this game up as a loss so might as well get on with it

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i'd like everyone to guess who i tracked and suggest why

What is the point of this?

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I've already chalked this game up as a loss so might as well get on with it

for which faction?

Town

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This is only true if schadd is confirmed tracker. Which by your own admission he's not.

Disagree but whatever.

Who are the 2 remaining scum in your opinion and why.

Nero Cain and HWS. Although you and Schadd aren't absolutely confirmed town, I believe Schadd and therefore believe you. I'm not scum so it has to be Nero and HWS

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make a case for nero scum for me.

During the bulk of the game Nero was pretty out of the spotlight. He seemed to actively avoid it with posts like 1285 where he didn't want to be the one to hammer profii. He almost completely avoided commenting on the 1v1 between you and Havo, even wanting to lynch completely outside of it in 1199. However, the next day, when I push Osuka, he responds with 1528 and 1558. Yesterday, he asks for a mass claim and then trusts both PR claims even though Chick's was a little sketchy and we had no way of being able to determine how many PRs were actually in the game.

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VOTE: Nero Cain

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I’m clueless since I can’t tell who’s scum and who’s bad town. Look at the history of bad town this game, myself included. At least my attempt to get havo lynched was looked at as a soft claim and they blocked me. This puts Joda on my list. He thought I softed when I wasn’t looking at his iso.

This doesn't make any sense. Scum would know you weren't actually softing anything since they would know Havo was town.

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I mean

gonna hope you followed hewhogetslynched since that's what we should be doing today baring a guilty on joda.

I'm not sure why you thought I was scum bussing as opposed to just town being right but w/e. Tracking was kinda a waste but its no big deal. I mean we just lynched scum yesterday and Joda believes that I'm scum yet was writing this off as a town loss. Doesn't seem much like a town POV to me. I think its far more likely that scum was boned with massclaim and her and HWS have more or less given up.

Why can't this be true for me?

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make a case for nero scum for me.

During the bulk of the game Nero was pretty out of the spotlight. He seemed to actively avoid it with posts like 1285 where he didn't want to be the one to hammer profii.

pro-tip if your argument is that I tried to avoid the spotlight I don't think posting something attention-grabbing and going against the grain are helping with the staying out of the spotlight. It also ignores the WHY I didn't want to hammer yet.

Yesterday, he asks for a mass claim and then trusts both PR claims even though Chick's was a little sketchy and we had no way of being able to determine how many PRs were actually in the game.

TBF, I actually had a little doubt about Chick and I even said as much but I still thought there was a 0% chance that this game was 2 masons and a sea of vts. Is that what you believed?

I believed it was a possibility, yes. Why wouldn't it have been?

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I’m clueless since I can’t tell who’s scum and who’s bad town. Look at the history of bad town this game, myself included. At least my attempt to get havo lynched was looked at as a soft claim and they blocked me. This puts Joda on my list. He thought I softed when I wasn’t looking at his iso.

This doesn't make any sense. Scum would know you weren't actually softing anything since they would know Havo was town.

do u have a theory as to why chumba was the rb target

No.

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HWS was trying to argue that Schadd was scum and then there's a post or 2 that looks like he's trying to claim that I was bussing Osuka. I think he's scum and Joda's argument that we are scum together is odd a F I think.

Wanna come help me "bus" my buddy Joda?

Sure. Both you and HWS have to go. The order doesn't matter to me.