Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Nero Cain]

vote:hws

[Nero Cain]

Nero isnt here again.

Whats the point of this after chick told ya'll I had the flu?

[Nero Cain]

hammering anyone at l-1 indiscriminately is probably the stupidest way to play the game I have ever heard of

youre very inexperienced then

not really, that's just a really bad way to play the game

i'm new to ms but i have a couple years' worth of mafia on my back

I just wanted to talk about this for a minute. Having an "I hammer at L-1 regardless!" playstyle/gimmick is incredibly anti-town I think. And as scum it allows for mislynches without the responsibility. I mean, players

COULD

hold him responsible but I think most will go "he does it as both alignments, its null." Lynching him would basically be a policy lynch and most all players seem against a policy lynch.

[Nero Cain]

I'm just saying nk15 looks like he's trying to look really towny

Well, scum does that too. And I actually get the opposite vibe...as in scum that's worried they'll contribute to a mislynch.

VTs don’t care if they are lynched

I CARE! #vanillalivesmatter

Pedit: Also I happen to know Nero has the flu, just FYI - because he cancelled our lunch plans,

not because we scum buds.

on one hand, I'm glad you said something but were you worried that we'd get called scum together?

Could see HWS scum

k how?

[Nero Cain]

INTENT TO VOTE NK15 CLAIM NOW.

[Nero Cain]

oh nvm, he's not at l-1

VOTE: N15

[Nero Cain]

Could see HWS scum

k how?

[Nero Cain]

Thanks for all the lovely get well soon pms you guys sent me. oh you didn't did you? buncha assholes. But real talk, I am feeling way better as I think this thing is on its last legs so I should have something up soon. Unless its really close to deadline pls w8 for me to chime in before lynch.

[Nero Cain]

I can't fathom how a townie would see our 1v1 as s/s.

TBF, scum members poking the shit out of each other is a somewhat common strategy...

[Nero Cain]

eh, maybe not, idk. I'm just saying that it does happen so eh...

[Nero Cain]

I haven't been lurking, I've been sick.

[Nero Cain]

you aren't really reading this game are you?

[Nero Cain]

Is this you advocating for a Havo policy lynch? I'm confused at this point of this post

no. I'm saying that any "Havo is scummy for hammering at L-1" will lead to a discussion about policy lynches.

Still about 10 pages behind but so far osuka, nk15 and sheep are my preferred lynches.

[Nero Cain]

but assuming this is still the case, care to elaborate on the reasons for your lynchpool?

it's mainly gut. I just feel you and sheep are a little different from our town games and I'm still liking the case on NK15. I guess add profi to that list too.

[Nero Cain]

I mean your still lurking a fair amount here but what I meant was that you seem way more focused and asking questions and I don't remember you really doing that.

[Nero Cain]

2 scum could easily be lurking.

thats oddly specific...

[Nero Cain]

I'm not sure that I buy into your whole "1 scum will be active and the other 2 will lurk"

[Nero Cain]

OK then what do you think is happening?

I'm not sure?

Like, I think its a pretty common scum tactic to sit there and kinda active lurk and let town tear into each other and I feel like thats how most scum play. Not all scum are lurkers and being active as scum is a thing. I'm just kinda like...I don't think town really

THINK

like that. Its more like X, X and X are scummy not ok...whose the lurking scum, who is the active scum? Like your statement is just odd man. Like its plenty possible that all the scum are lurking, its possible that none of the scum are lurking. Idk, maybe someone could put this into better words...idk.

Also, remind me of your scumreads.

[Nero Cain]

Almost forgot I would be okay with lynching nero but not until tomorrow

Why tomorrow?

[Nero Cain]

This is directed @ Havo even though I'm quoting ethos

2 scum could easily be lurking.

thats oddly specific...

Why wasn’t this oddly specific?

I think scum is probably 1of the low content guys and then 2 of the medium content guys

!!!agree!!!

I mean its just as oddly specific as the tchill post. Don't you feel like a big bad scumhunter by quoting a post that I overlooked?

[Nero Cain]

Eth0s, what's your problem with Nero?

read the post above and I'm pretty sure that's it but if he has something more he can be a big boy instead of posture on me.

[Nero Cain]

lame

[Nero Cain]

It almost sounds like he expects NK15 to flip town since he's already trying to find a scapegoat. Or I guess he could plan on accusing me of bussing but the posturing is still pretty bad.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you only care when it's about you?

I care about myself more than others.

Inb4 the "i was sick not lurking" defense

So now I'm lying about being sick? that's a crazy and untrue accusation to make.

why haven't you called out others for doing the same thing?

you can't accuse me of lurking AND not posting things.

[Nero Cain]

I'd argue that I haven't even been lurking. I might have gone a few days without posting but my iso is not exactly devoid of content.

[Nero Cain]

Have you ever had the flu?

If my posts are scummy why do you need to wait till tomorrow to talk about them? Why are you so certain that you will be around to talk about it?

[Nero Cain]

By that post I mean that many of us have said

lynch x and then get y/z

if

x is green

.

your example is also far different than what you said/didn't say. This reads like they think such and such is going to be scum based on a certain development. You just started to lay some groundwork for a push tomorrow. There is no IF in your scenario.

[Nero Cain]

how in the world is my alignment based on who dies tonight?

[Nero Cain]

I'm just saying you would be in my lynchpool tomorrow based on certain scenarios that could occur. Not saying I will definitely want to lynch you tomorrow in any case. Sorry if it came across like that

seems like a bit of a backpedal.

[Nero Cain]

I'd be plenty ok with a Havo lynch.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: profii

[Nero Cain]

Osuka who's your scum reads?

well i have some 10 pages to catch up on (will finish tomorrow) but at this point i'd say you and nero top the list

however, given nero's recent behavior and chumba generally just being weird, i'm tempted to reevaluate my read on the chumba-nero situation

So just clarify, your top 2 scum reads are a guy you haven't talked about the whole game, an OMGUSy type scum read and we've completely bypassed the player you've been on about all game (chick) makes sense.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: profii

oh nvm, he's not at l-1

VOTE: N15

other than an RVS type of vote on HWS these have been my main lynch targets. Sometimes it makes me feel weird that chick is calling us a scumteam.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, Profii is prob scum also not liking brassherald that much.

[Nero Cain]

vote:brassherald

[Nero Cain]

Can I vote profii and chumba at the same time?

Why is there no vote with this post?

[Nero Cain]

Nero next - caveat this with he had the flu- but even the latter stages of the ISO are what I’d call active lurking. However, quite significantly, Eth0s claimed to have something on Nero for day 2 and Nero died. I think scum probably thought they had a PR in eth0s rather than trying to frame Nero here

did you just really sum up my sum up my iso as active lurking?

[Nero Cain]

I mean I guess I shouldn't really care about a guy that was fence sitting hard on nk but it annoys me that your "scumread" on me today seems to have very little to do with me or my actions and mostly the words of another. Its very simplistic and lacks original thought.

[Nero Cain]

Can I vote profii and chumba at the same time?

Why is there no vote with this post?

disregard

[Nero Cain]

UNVOTE:

Need more out of schadd, HWS and chickadee.

Whats the point of unvoting if you think he's scum?

[Nero Cain]

TBF, I was in a game where scum replaced out so their slot wouldn't get lynched but agree that it's mostly NAI. I don't think Chumba threatening to replace out is scummy.

[Nero Cain]

What are your reads?

[Nero Cain]

TBF, tchill was the one that argued that chumba threated to replace out so like I'm commenting on that...

[Nero Cain]

TBF, tchill was the one that argued that chumba threated to replace out so like I'm commenting on that...

He hasn't said anything about that at all today?

no

[Nero Cain]

you know what?

I kinda just want to lynch in

osuka
brassherald
Tchill13

I think osuka is a scum that's been lurking it out after a little pressure from me.

You singlehandedly killed off a very productive 1v1 and came in defending havo

IF

Havo/chumba was a TvT then this post is highly suspect to me. I feel like this could be the type of berating post that I think scum often make.

Osuka who's your scum reads?

well i have some 10 pages to catch up on (will finish tomorrow) but at this point i'd say you and nero top the list

however, given nero's recent behavior and chumba generally just being weird, i'm tempted to reevaluate my read on the chumba-nero situation

I don't really like how he just dropped the Havo/Chick/sheep team he was pushing for a guy he barely talked about and an OMGUS. Also, I just hate being ignored. 1025

i wanna post more in depth thoughts tomorrow if i get the time to do it. still up in the air but i skimmed through the last 10 pages

and on that topic what the hell, i'm curious to see where this nk15 wagon is going

VOTE: not known15

this is also very go with the flow.

For Brass its mainly

I'm going to say fair enough on these reads, I had a bad day 1 after I got annoyed. I will attempt to be more patient Day 2 but I think a profii is scum.

I just feel like the whole being ok with me scumreading/not liking his posts are a little bit scummy.

and I'm just not a big fan of the way tchill came in and berated us for the nk lynch.

[Nero Cain]

The more I think about it, the more I think the play by Profii to bring up the replace out was a really good play. I had no way to respond to it and his school buddy Nero has already been pushing me hard.

HA! What made you change your mind from "its ok" and "pushing me is scummy!"?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not a big profii fan and think he could flip scum so I'm torn between "brass is just being manipulative" and "profii is his scum buddy so when profii gets bussed he can get a free mislynch out of it"

they are kinda double bussing each other so makes sense.

[Nero Cain]

The more I think about it, the more I think the play by Profii to bring up the replace out was a really good play. I had no way to respond to it and his school buddy Nero has already been pushing me hard.

HA! What made you change your mind from "its ok" and "pushing me is scummy!"?

The posts since when I said it where literally everything I have said you have tried to spin as scummy.

I didn't do that. the only thing that I said was the quote I posted about your end of d1 post being scummy. I haven't said shit about d2 unless you really want to count 1218.

[Nero Cain]

the temptation to hammer is strong.

[Nero Cain]

Deadline: 11 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes

and im not rdy for day to end

[Nero Cain]

its not. That's just a silly fucking question to ask. Why are YOU in such a hurry to end the day?

[Nero Cain]

says the guy that wants to end the day ASAP. Im not exactly town reading Profii but I don't see the immediate need hammer right away and watching osunka lurk and avoid the game is super entertaining. You can take your "u iz trying 2 look town" and shove it up your scum ass.

[Nero Cain]

you never told me why you said that. its a legitimate question.

it's pretty self-explanatory. I was tempted to hammer.

[Nero Cain]

says the manipulative scumfuck

[Nero Cain]

I go from not liking how he opened the day to not liking his rushing a Profii lynch to thinking his posts are dense and manipulative to reiterating my scum read on said slot. Tell me what part doesn't make sense.

[Nero Cain]

and I'm just not a big fan of the way tchill came in and berated us for the nk lynch.

this is not fucking reasonless.

[Nero Cain]

ok? hows that AI for profii?

this is the post that was dense and manipulative. Ofc its not AI. It was a stupid fucking question to ask and I don't think it comes from a town POV.

I'll prob not vote profii just to spite tchill and Jodaxq.

[Nero Cain]

and im not rdy for day to end

ok? hows that AI for profii?

like this is one of the dumbest replies I've ever seen on this site. He deserves to be lynched.

[Nero Cain]

I

was

scum reading profii. I was tempted to hammer but I wasn't ready to end the day yet. Me saying that I was tempted to hammer is self-explanatory. This whole "uh duh I don't know y you'd say that" is just scum thats pretending to be dumb.

[Nero Cain]

and I'm just not a big fan of the way tchill came in and berated us for the nk lynch.

this is not fucking reasonless.

it was a bad lynch.

look at how this day 2 has went and told me that was the best lynch.

maybe but it doesn't matter as that's not what not being said. Jodaxq claimed/lied/misremembered that I didn't give a reason for being suspicious of you. I'm proving that I did.

[Nero Cain]

so just disregard the fact that i brought up a good point lol.

no, it's not a good point. It has nothing to do with the conversation. Stop sidestepping.

[Nero Cain]

It is incredibly fucking easy to criticize for a mislynch but whats the point? Does it aid in scumhunting? no Its just an attempt to make yourself look good.

If you were really so worried about the foundation of my scumread on you-you wouldn't have waited to respond to it 200 posts later.

vote:tchill

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: chumba

im getting this out of the way.

i have no intent to lynch I just want him to claim, which is dumb because if he actually is town scum is gonna hammer him at L-1. Someone probably will but idc at this point. Yeah im actually saying that idc.

i suggest others do the same.

and this is just real silly. You think you've found scum in proffii but you just want to get a claim out of someone. The fuck?!?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: chumba

im getting this out of the way.

i have no intent to lynch I just want him to claim, which is dumb because if he actually is town scum is gonna hammer him at L-1. Someone probably will but idc at this point. Yeah im actually saying that idc.

i suggest others do the same.

and this is just real silly. You think you've found scum in proffii but you just want to get a claim out of someone. The fuck?!?

it's silly this hasn't been handled yet.

but the timing is odd. You seemed not to care about this until the proffi wagon started to die.

[Nero Cain]

if any one of the two is red, it'd be nero

k y?

[Nero Cain]

BULLSHIT!

[Nero Cain]

Well I guess in theory you could have been lurking it up and not seen it not that it makes me feel any better

[Nero Cain]

ok, that's kina a fallacy there.

[Nero Cain]

Why'd you drop your scum read on me?

[Nero Cain]

Why'd you drop your scum read on me?

you literally don't matter atm.

Profii and chumba matter.

i forget about nero's and schadd's presence in the game multiple times. They've literally been useless.

I love that you are trying to insult me now that I've pointed out bad/scummy play. Unlike you, I don't need to yell and scream to overcompensate.

[Nero Cain]

you are really active lurking huh?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: oauka

[Nero Cain]

osuka is active lurking HARD. He keeps coming in and posting but there's never any conclusion, he doesn't push anywhere and he's not scumhunting.

[Nero Cain]

that was kinda beetlejuicy...


Why would you self vote?

[Nero Cain]

Why would you self vote?

Now Osuka, why the self vote?

never knew there was an echo on beale

[Nero Cain]

If you wanna lynch me feel free but let it be clear that it’s a policy lynch because your push on me is literally “he’s lurking therefore scum”

if that's what you need to tell yourself.

What game were we in together?

[Nero Cain]

TBF, atleast 2 of those lurkers are scum (brassherald, osuka) IMO. schadd_ is a lurker too but I'm

kind of

meta town reading him. My sole game with him he was scum but my memory of that game is more of an active lurk where he'd come in and say useless stuff and here it looks more like he's just lurking and he's useless b/c he only posts once per day phase but he's atleast trying. Though I could be all wrong and he is lurking scum, idk

I'm not really against your lynch Havo. There's a part of me that wonders if this you vs. Chumba is SvS so neither of you have to fake hunt for other scum. Though if this was a SvS gambit then that means both brass and osuka can't be scum and its either one of them or none of them and schadd_.

vote:Havo

[Nero Cain]

in hindsight, I like proffi's post about you usually being less active d1. Whoever said that didn't like that could potentially be a Havo buddy. I don't really have any interest in going through the whole you vs. Chumba thing again. TBQH, I think I've skimmed quite a chunk of this game. p sure everything the masons posted was trash. In retrospect, I think this post is kinda scummy.

2 scum could easily be lurking.

thats oddly specific...

Why wasn’t this oddly specific?

I think scum is probably 1of the low content guys and then 2 of the medium content guys

I think scum like to kinda chainsaw defend town and use their own words since they know it comes from scum.

[Nero Cain]

That’s 2 of

most likely 3

.

Why in the world would experienced town not think this is auto 3 scum?

[Nero Cain]

INB4 "but I have a 2017 join date!" Given, that should be enough time anyways but I was under the impression this was an alt anyways

[Nero Cain]

I have seen other setups that were not 10/3. Most notably the lopsided 9/1/3.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not but w/e you say.

[Nero Cain]

lol, that is such a weak fucking push.

What makes you think I'm any good anyways? Like I tunneled town on d1 in the game we played previous to this and I haven't lynched any scum this game and all my pushes have been town.

[Nero Cain]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but you've played in 5 minis that have a 10/3 setup. It just seems odd to me that you'd think might not be a 10/3. :/


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[Nero Cain]

But you never called me out did you?

not exactly but I do have

I'd be plenty ok with a Havo lynch.

in my ISO.

In my defense, I just got distracted by a bunch of shiny shit.

[Nero Cain]

Wanna do any scumhunting?

[Nero Cain]

Remind me of your thoughts have the Havo/chumba fight?

[Nero Cain]

Tell us who else is scum so I can sheep you to victory.

[Nero Cain]

Jodaxq-What is your plan to resolve the Havo and Chumba 1v1?

[Nero Cain]

I think Chumba is the scummier of the two and I plan on voting there.

then what was the point in voting not Chumba?

[Nero Cain]

I also felt like Havo was town from it because of the way profii acted around Havo's bandwagon. Profii's vote on Havo and his "no need for further scumhunting" post really made me think profii was scum and Havo was a mislynch target for him.

this part is kinda dumb b/c he's dead confirmed town now. Like, I get that you felt this way about it THEN but there's not really a point in still believing in this and if you don't then I'm not sure why you are adding it to your response.

[Nero Cain]

Havo/Jodaxq/Joey?

[Nero Cain]

I like Joeys thoughts?!?

though was kinda expecting more whine when I called him scum but ok.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, I'm kinda leaning a Jo or Osunka lynch but lets mass claim.


I''l even start us off. Vt, popcorn to Osuka.

[Nero Cain]

I totally forgot Schadd was still here. Night be willing to YOLO lynch that.

[Nero Cain]

every time you post I want to tear out my hair. I think you are scummy. I've been scum reading you since day 2. You've been active lurking and doing shit all this game. If you didn't have time to play then you should have just replaced out. Of course, you could just have been lurking it out and you haven't been getting any real heat for lurking. I also think you "I lurked in another game as town so my be a useless lurksack is totally a towntell!" is all sorts of gross.

[Nero Cain]

Any particular reason you wanted me to claim next, specifically?

but what was the point in asking me this?

[Nero Cain]

We should just finish the massclaim though Osuka did kinda screw it up by not popcorning. Schadd needs to full claim.

[Nero Cain]

we have no scum lynched, why shouldn't we mass claim?

[Nero Cain]

or you are just scum that doesn't want to claim.

[Nero Cain]

If he's lying about be a VT (and is thus caught scum) we do you insist that he fullclaims?

[Nero Cain]

Well, he's sticking with his VT claim so one of you are lying.

[Nero Cain]

yes. What a dumb question.

[Nero Cain]

Will fucking claim?!?

[Nero Cain]

you are really playing up this "I'm stupid" gimmick. I don't really remember that from our game.

[Nero Cain]

I think it says alot of this playerlist that they haven't taken the initiative to continue with the massclaim but at the same time Osuka was supposed to popcorn so he's kinda holding us up. Maybe he has buddies that he doesn't want to claim?

[Nero Cain]

i didnt even know i put her at L-1 thats annoying

this guy is an idiot btw.

Quotes the VC and doesn't realize how many votes that makes.

[Nero Cain]

We have a player who has refused to take part in the mass claim. I'm really not keen on continuing it until he agrees.

Well, he's not so....

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, I'm going to say that this is pretty much playing against your wincon if you are town.

[Nero Cain]

Jo and Chumba are holding up the mass claim b/c either they are scum or Chumba is playing against his wincon to stick to this "I don't like to mass claim" meta

[Nero Cain]

If you are town I think it is. If you are scum then it is not. True.

[Nero Cain]

Chickadee-doc
schadd_ -pr
Tchill13-mason
eth0s-mason

Chumba-???
Jodaxq-????
HeWhoSwims-???


profii-vt
Havo-vt
Nero Cain-vt
Joey_-vt
Not Known 15-vt
osuka-vt

[Nero Cain]

I feel like I'm playing with a toddler. I am legit the only person doing anything this day phase. Scum are those in the background lurking. (I'm leaning osuka, Joda and maybe HWS)

[Nero Cain]

OHHHH! Checkmate. You go girl.

[Nero Cain]

If I bang my head any harder I'll get a concussion.

[Nero Cain]

no, all 3 scum are alive.

[Nero Cain]

yes, its anti-town to try to figure out the setup to limit the lynch pool. Like, is this real life? True, I did hypothesize that you could be scum Chumba since I mean all you done is tunnel one slot and then refuse to mass claim and both have possible scum motivation. I am legit the only person doing anything this day phase, scum have no need to hunt or do anything.

[Nero Cain]

pls reblacklist me Rob

[Nero Cain]

Like why does scum push for a massclaim here? Today is Lylo and all we'd need is a lynch.

[Nero Cain]

1. If you are town why the fuck would you say me not mass claiming is playing against my win con when it isn’t?

Scum would need another town vote to rush in and quick lynch, no?

2. Isn’t this chick saying I’m scum?

1. B/c town understanding the setup can aid in scumhunting and we haven't lynched a single one. I've yet to see a decent (or any) argument on why massclaim is bad. I'm not really counting the "well I don't think it would help."
1. No, she said "another town vote" as if you were town. Although she's acting like there were 2 scum left wich is rather derpy.

[Nero Cain]

We haven't exactly done a bangup job of scumhunting.

How did you determine that I was scum trying to look town as opposed to town doing the correct town thing here?

[Nero Cain]

but I do. Your saying that I can't believe that as town?

[Nero Cain]

From an outsiders point of view, do you feel like its impossible for scum to tunnel one player the whole game and then refuse to claim/hold up a mass claim. I don't think it is and I don't think you think it is either thought I could see you saying no just to spite me. Yes, that's playing in the back of my mind but, and I'm really not getting your logic here, I'm saying that you are playing against your wincon here, as if you are town. Your "you keep saying that I'm not playing to my wincon, you can't call me scum for not believing the same thing as you!" is just rather convoluted and silly.

[Nero Cain]

(I'm leaning osuka, Joda and maybe HWS)

like I'm not calling him scum but he's all up in my grill about me calling him scum when I'm not.

[Nero Cain]

I still really don't understand. You are voting me for calling you scum but I'm not so?

[Nero Cain]

maybe it's not the ONLY reason but that is a reason you gave. Your logic is just all over the place and hard to follow.

[Nero Cain]

but why is my thinking you aren't playing to a town wincon scummy?

[Nero Cain]

like "This guy isn't playing to a townwincon."=//=" this is scum". I mean I guess I could kinda see someone going "oh he's raggin on my game, he has to think I'm scum and not just bad town"

[Nero Cain]

You could think I’m scummy for not claiming but playing against my win condition is an outright lie.

Whats the difference between calling an action scummy and thinking said comes from a not town wincon?

[Nero Cain]

I can't think you are just bad town?

[Nero Cain]

there's not really a difference between the two besides maybe schematics. Get over yourself.

[Nero Cain]

I can't think you are just bad town?

Yes but you didn’t give that option

I didn't? b/c I'm pretty sure I did when I listed Joda, Osuka and HWS as my top 3.

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty sure this is just Rob whining over me not liking his play. Could fool me though.

[Nero Cain]

if I didn't care about your vote I wouldn't be appealing to you to try to get you to see that your logic fails to stack up.

[Nero Cain]

I’ll decide based on how people played the game and because you just did something something so incredibly scummy on top of already looking scummy for suggesting it in the first place AND now you think you should be town read for suggesting it?

this is all very vague. I assume the "already looking scummy for suggesting it in the first place" line is about me suggesting a massclaim wich we'll get to in a minute. But what is this "you just did something something so incredibly scummy"?

I'm not really suggesting that I should be town read. I'm more challenging you on your suggestion that scum would call for a mass claim. And why? Like scum is one lynch away from winning. Like all scum has to do is lurk and do nothing. (See Joda, Osuka) I think your "scumNero calls for a massclaim so he looks town!" is very very shallow. Wish I could say I expected better logic from you.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Joda


Would also vote Osuka

at the same time this is likely scum yes but why this over our possible guilty?

[Nero Cain]

Why would you say not claiming is playing against my win condition when it isn’t?

ok its not but hey guess what.

I CAN HAVE MY OWN FUCKING OPINION.

[Nero Cain]

like I cannot see anything but Rob crying that I don't think his game is pro-town. Its pretty fail that he's all like "you think my not claiming is not pro-town." WAH-WAH-WAH "YOU MUST BE SCUM for not agreeing/believing the same thing as me.!"

[Nero Cain]

You are smart enough and experienced enough to know this game is about manipulation.

sure but claiming that I must be scum that's trying to manipulate the town as opposed to town doing whats right (or at least what I think is right) is just tinfoily and bad.

You also know scum aren’t going to win in lylo by lurking.

Why couldn't they? Is this not as manipulative as what you are accusing me of? Why is anyone that does stuff in lylo scum?

Your contribution haven’t been that great and now you want to come and control things.

I've been pretty active and engaged once I got over my flu. Me not having a 867442387808975433657789 post count like you or tchill=//=not contributing. Let's move past day 1 plox.

Then you say anyone not complying is playing against their win condition which is complete bs

that's like my opinion man. Yes, I do think not claiming in LYLO is detrimental to town.

[Nero Cain]

I never said you can't. I'm just saying that your logic that I don't have your same opinion thus I must be scum is full of fail.

[Nero Cain]

like if you are not scum you are one of the worst players on this site

[Nero Cain]

Not much to talk about atm. I gave my thoughts on osuka v Schadd. Honda, you would be in my town list and I am slight townread on Chick. Nero is null and the other 3 are on about equal levels for now.

So is your scum team Osuka/Schadd, Chumba, and... Nero? Or do you think Osuka and Schadd can be scum together?

pls don't answer that and just claim first.

[Nero Cain]

pls don't answer that and just claim first.

@HWS

[Nero Cain]

That’s why I said claimed doctor instead of just THE doctor.

lol @ 2 docs in a mini

[Nero Cain]

WHOOSH!

[Nero Cain]

Chick said that she claimed doctor and not THE. What I'm saying is the from her pov she should think there'd be another doctor.

[Nero Cain]

I find both PR claims believable b/c if we disbelieve Shadd then town how no investigation power and I'd question how a near mountainous setup passed as balanced. Chicks is less believable and there are times when I wonder if her derp is fake. At any rate, i think there are way too many vt claims so I'm currently thinking that all scum are in


Chumba-vt?
Jodaxq
osuka
HeWhoSwims

With Joda and Osuka as my top 2.

[Nero Cain]

How do we figure that one out? :/

this is dumb and fake.

[Nero Cain]

Claimed Doc and claimed Tracker and claimed VT are all equally believable because there doesn't seem to be any ground to believe the claims right away

this is also totally non-committal. There's a sea of vt claims and you don't think scum hiding in there. The fuck is wrong with you? (besides being scum of course)

[Nero Cain]

Why can't joda and hws both be scum?

[Nero Cain]

If I'm scum you die tonight.

(the kicker is scum won't kill you to frame me b/c they need you to mislynch town.)

[Nero Cain]

vote:Osuka

[Nero Cain]

You've still yet to explain why a scum me would call for a mass claim. Your "you are trying to look town." is such weak nonsense. I've also been pushing Osuka the majority of the game and you haven't explained why you think that's more likely to come from scum me than town me.

I feel like your play lines up perfectly with a scum agenda. Tunnel one player the whole game, claim there's no point in massclaiming, discredit schadd early on, OMGUS vote me (just like with Havo). I'm just tentatively town reading you b/c I think Joda's "Well I'm not claiming b/c Chumba isn't claiming" feels like scum thats trying to piggyback off dumb town.

[Nero Cain]

just to clarify, she obviously did claim later on. Not sure why she decided to claim after first resisting.

[Nero Cain]

Your "you are trying to look town." is such weak nonsense.

I'm not really suggesting that I should be town read. I'm more challenging you on your suggestion that scum would call for a mass claim. And why? Like scum is one lynch away from winning. Like all scum has to do is lurk and do nothing. (See Joda, Osuka) I think your "scumNero calls for a massclaim so he looks town!" is very very shallow. Wish I could say I expected better logic from you.

I'll also point out that I wasn't being scum read so it's not like I needed the town cred.

[Nero Cain]

Like, I guess in a way you are right. IMHO I think I

SHOULD

be a strong town read at this point. b/c scum are perfectly fine coasting and scum need is a lynch away from a win. Do you think I could have not lynched you someone else? But Ima shake things up and call for a mass claim (wich netted us a guilty btw) Why would scum do that when there was no need to do that?

To look town.

It's shallow like a kiddie pool. but then no one was scumreading me why would I need tow cred. Your shit doesn't stack up.

[Nero Cain]

profii-mason
schadd_-tracker
eth0s-mason
Chickadee-Doc




Havo-vt
Nero Cain-vt
Chumba-vt
Jodaxq-vt
Joey_-vt
Tchill13-vt
osuka-vt
Not Known 15-vt
HeWhoSwims-vt

4/6 town setup?

Osuka, HWS and Joda is my pick for scum team.

[Nero Cain]

zzzzzzz

[Nero Cain]

if you think this is mason/mason/doc GTFO. But seriously, if there's not a single invest role (for town) this mod and whatever stooges signed off on this need to be docked a game of mod experience.

[Nero Cain]

like I could buy a masn/mason/tracker but meh

[Nero Cain]

I did find a game with 2 masons and no PRs but that was 2017

link?

[Nero Cain]

i don't understand why you are not voting there or why you took your vote off me if you never believed I was town.

[Nero Cain]

TUNNEL ONE PLAYER FOR 3 DAYS, TUNNEL ME FOR A FEW HOURS. mAKES SENSE

[Nero Cain]

I'll go into more detail tomorrow (or later today rather) but if Shadd is just scum that waltzed in here with a fake guilty after lurking the entire game then it's just our fault. I know setup spec and outguessing the mod maybe isn't a good idea but I just have a hard time seeing the extent of the town power being 2 masons and doc or just 2 masons. Yes, Chumba posted a game that showed that is plenty possible but *shrugz*

Osuka's content has been trash. He's been active lurking the whole game and not doing any scumhunting/fake scumhunting past d1. His reactions to the guilty on him were also p bad. I believe that he is busy regardless of alignment but I think he's been milking it and I'm not seeing that as town.

Chicks actions are pretty ass and kinda makes them unbelievable. This ties into Chick but Chick was Osuka's main d1 push (that he dropped for F all reasons). Kinda makes me wonder if Chick is bussing or it means he's a mislynch.

Chumba not hammering means he's scum with Osuka, he's scum toying with us or he's just really bad town.

[Nero Cain]

Sometimes I think you are just too paranoid for your own good.

[Nero Cain]

at any rate, agreed on the bad town play. Osuka active lurked for the middle part of the game. Like guy says he's busy and I believe him but Osuka posting just a little each day that had no scumhunting value was p poor.

[Nero Cain]

What the fuck do you want me to do?

OH GOD IM GETTING VOTED, QUICK TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF!

watever bro. TBF though, Osuka isn't doing that either. his first few posts after the guilty reveal were pretty nonchalant.

I also think that, if we assume that you are town, I won't get quick lynched b/c none of the lurker scum are getting on.

[Nero Cain]

gonna hope you followed hewhogetslynched since that's what we should be doing today baring a guilty on joda.

[Nero Cain]

I've already chalked this game up as a loss so might as well get on with it

for which faction?

[Nero Cain]

Nero and HWS

this is your classic push town distance from buddy.

The case on me is bullshit, don't fall for it Chumba.

[Nero Cain]

make a case for nero scum for me.

During the bulk of the game Nero was pretty out of the spotlight. He seemed to actively avoid it with posts like 1285 where he didn't want to be the one to hammer profii.

pro-tip if your argument is that I tried to avoid the spotlight I don't think posting something attention-grabbing and going against the grain are helping with the staying out of the spotlight. It also ignores the WHY I didn't want to hammer yet.

Yesterday, he asks for a mass claim and then trusts both PR claims even though Chick's was a little sketchy and we had no way of being able to determine how many PRs were actually in the game.

TBF, I actually had a little doubt about Chick and I even said as much but I still thought there was a 0% chance that this game was 2 masons and a sea of vts. Is that what you believed?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Joda

[Nero Cain]

I mean

gonna hope you followed hewhogetslynched since that's what we should be doing today baring a guilty on joda.

I'm not sure why you thought I was scum bussing as opposed to just town being right but w/e. Tracking was kinda a waste but its no big deal. I mean we just lynched scum yesterday and Joda believes that I'm scum yet was writing this off as a town loss. Doesn't seem much like a town POV to me. I think its far more likely that scum was boned with massclaim and her and HWS have more or less given up.

[Nero Cain]

b/c I didn't think it made any sense. Especially with a scum PR. Why would scum of had a pr if all we had no movement roles?

[Nero Cain]

Why can't this be true for me?

Why should I think its true for you if you don't think its true for me?

[Nero Cain]

HWS was trying to argue that Schadd was scum and then there's a post or 2 that looks like he's trying to claim that I was bussing Osuka. I think he's scum and Joda's argument that we are scum together is odd a F I think.

Wanna come help me "bus" my buddy Joda?

[Nero Cain]

why didn't you try to explain yourself?

but I did. I'm not sure why you are pretending that 2005 doesn't exist. True, I don't go into the thing that you are concerned with (wich I'll get to in a min) but it's still a defense.

[Nero Cain]

I've already chalked this game up as a loss so might as well get on with it

for which faction?

Town

This makes like 0 sense from a town POV. We just lynched scum in Osuka and you think you've found both scum in me and HWS but you think town is gonna loose? What I think is that you and HWS feel defeated with 2 clears about with me being your ONLY mislynch option.

[Nero Cain]

Man, dealing with a town terrorist is horrible.

[Nero Cain]

I think you are. I have to play nice with you so you don't get all upset and OMGUS death tunnel me. Scum in Joda and HWS but you are being played like a fiddle.

[Nero Cain]

incoming HWS hammer.

[Nero Cain]

but srs guy, lets avoid the scum quick hammer k?

[Nero Cain]

We are THIS close to a town win, don't let your ego get in the way.

[Nero Cain]

Fuck a 30 smilies limit

[Nero Cain]

If we are doing NKA why do I kill Joey, who was town reading me? He was scum reading both Joda and HWS. If you are suggesting that we killed Joey b/c HWS is my buddy lol. Then lets just "bus" him.

vote:HWS

[Nero Cain]

How many scum has your gut lynched this game? 0

How many town did you think were scum?

Chick, Schadd, Nero, Osuka (yes you finally voted him but it seemed like you didn't really find him scummy) Havo.

your gut is upside down.

[Nero Cain]

Why is insulting you scummy?

[Nero Cain]

Well, at least I had scum pegged in the end.

[Nero Cain]

I'm just going to get my reply up to Joda's manipulation and hope Chumba comes to his senses before HWS hammers.

[Nero Cain]

The fuck I did. You got your panties in a bunch since you can't stand the slightest bit of criticism. I mean, I guess there's a small part that's my fault b/c I didn't coddle you but this is still mostly on you. I'd be generous and say 75/25 (but its more like 95/5 lol)

[Nero Cain]

My guts been wrong all game but I know its finally right this time!

-Chuma 3/6/18

[Nero Cain]

walk me through why you abandoned osuka (your scum read) for resolving the 1 v1 ?

Firstly, Osuka wasn't going to be the only scum in this game and I had some residual feelings about Havo being scum. I also want to note that I was voting Havo

BEFORE

Joda switched to Osuka. Should I have switched back to Osuka? Maybe but why would I do that? In hindsight, HWS makes a ton of references to Havo/Chumba being TvT and Joda sidelining her vote is scummy AF.

[Nero Cain]

eh, you were just playing to your wincon. I blame the 4th scum member.

It was you and joda right?

[Nero Cain]

I consider what you did game throwing.

DUDE! YOU voted me.

[Nero Cain]

lol @ dead thread.

[Nero Cain]

@town

Sorry for calling Chumba a terrorist

[Nero Cain]

The fuck?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, TBF my early gameplay wasn't the greatest but late game I was into my groove and you just needed to ignore things and move on.

[Nero Cain]

getting lynched really blows but mafia is a game of attrition.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, telling the guy that nearly won the game for town that he played bad is a bit lol.