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[Gamma Emerald]

I'm feeling like you're probably scum

Based on what? The Yankee two sides of a coin comment? Something else?

That, plus some of Yankee's actions, plus nothing I've seen from you has particularly struck me as towny

[Hawk]

UNVOTE: Fitz i still feel like this is likely but don't want a quick day 3. Too much new information has surfaced.

Fitz has my attention with Mulch ISO since I've been reading that over and comparing to Yankee and Fitz himself.

I'll review a bit more before I jump to creature. Tho I still feel like Creature has been so Lurky and not playing to his town self meta...

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Also from the stuff I've seen in Mulch ISO the yankee vote with smoc push kinda makes me feel he was distancing with that play

[Creature]

1:Creature- Easy read
2:Mulch- Easy read
3:Fro99er- Hard read
4:Transcend- Hard read
5:Flavor Leaf- Hard read
6:TheYankeeReaper- Null read
7:James Brafin- Null read
8:Locke113- Null read
9:Hawk- Null read
10:Gamma Emerald- Null read
11:Smocaine- Null read
12:TwoInAMillion- Null read
13:Chara- Easy read

Possible pg 2 hint from Mulch. Only 3 "Easy read" reads given out. To include Mulch. And Chara hadn't even posted at this point.

So Chara + Creature team?

Mulch is right about me being an easy read, it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb.

[havingfitz]

Thanks Hawk.

IMO this game fits Creature's scum meta: less engaged, not interested in scum hunting. Along with the Mulch related observations.

[havingfitz]

it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb

Oh. Well ok then.

Would you (or anyone ftm) expect a traitor would try and get some sort of signal to the scum team?

[Gamma Emerald]

it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb

Oh. Well ok then.

Would you (or anyone ftm) expect a traitor would try and get some sort of signal to the scum team?

100%, though the one time I played traitor I hadn't seen it so I didn't know to do so, I just was an absolute mess

[Chara]

Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

yes, it's a normal game.

[Creature]

Not sure what to say about Mulch.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

yes, it's a normal game.

that doesn't mean anything, there was a traitor who was cut off from their team entirely beyond wincon in a game I played

[Chara]

ah, i was under the impression normal guidelines meant scum know to look for their traitor.
is that not correct?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't believe so
I'll link the game in a sec

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69704

[Hawk]

it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb

Oh. Well ok then.

Would you (or anyone ftm) expect a traitor would try and get some sort of signal to the scum team?

Imo I would expect a signal early and only to one member. It makes it look less suspicious than if it's to both because it can be traced back later.

Obvious things about the Mulch - Fitz/Yankee argument. Fitz uses Yankee being pressed entirely day 1 for an argument that he's town but doesn't feed the entire situation. Mulch presses only Yankee. Has one mention of Fitz in his ISO and it's after Fitz enters the game he references a town game of Fitz.

This makes me feel like Mulches entire case against Yankee was on the player not the slot which works and falls in line fine to a signalled mafia member that they're creating distance. As well Mulch pushing very hard right up until the replacement is probably wise. If the slot gets lynched and is scum then Mulch looks better as why would he spend the entire day bussing?

Also if concern for me in regards to fitz is he leans town Mulch early and then feels like it leans more scummy later. However he never gives a large read in regards to mulch despite saying in his longer readlist he needs too instead focusing on Flavor, Smocaine, Gamma, and 2iaM. Maybe he just got busy and didn't get to it but knowing Fitzs strict no bus if possible policy I can see how he would avoid that as well Fitz wasn't on Mulches hammer yesterday fwtw which probably isn't much.

I'm not sure who 3rd Mafia would be right now but I don't disagree with Fitz that this lines up with creatures scum meta. I just finished a game with Fitz and Creature where he was scum and Fitz was SK (replaced in) and the inactiveness d1 lines up between the two games but that's entirely meta. I've seen Creature come alive d2 as town so hopefully we get more from him.

These are just some thoughts as I dig around people's ISOs.

[Gamma Emerald]

On the topic of "scum pushing a player, not a slot" I have done this before when I was a newb

[TwoInAMillion]

Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

[Chara]

huh, perhaps i was looking at outdated info.
interested to know Frogger's thoughts on the matter, though.

Mulch definitely knew his partners, but it's possible it remains to be seen if the scum knew there was a traitor. usually, two scum in a normal indicates that or an SK, so the scum should have at least been open to the possibility if they weren't new. (or multiball, but gross)

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

[Hawk]

Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

As much as I agree with those two being high on the list this gives me a bad vibe. It just feels too easy of reads. Does that concern you at all 2iam?

[havingfitz]

Frogger isn't scum, not with fitz scum.

No he's not.

Does that change WHEN I flip town IF I'm lynched?

[TwoInAMillion]

Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

As much as I agree with those two being high on the list this gives me a bad vibe. It just feels too easy of reads. Does that concern you at all 2iam?

Not really, I call it as I see it.

[havingfitz]

Imo I would expect a signal early and only to one member.

So do you see one?

[Hawk]

huh, perhaps i was looking at outdated info.
interested to know Frogger's thoughts on the matter, though.

Mulch definitely knew his partners, but it's possible it remains to be seen if the scum knew there was a traitor. usually, two scum in a normal indicates that or an SK, so the scum should have at least been open to the possibility if they weren't new. (or multiball, but gross)

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

Scum should have known that there was a traitor. game was advertised as 10v3 implying not multiball and the Scum team would have only seen 2 members. So.....

Pedit: If you flip town I would be much more wary of Frog Scum but not sold that's the solution.

[havingfitz]

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

Given you would be implicated I'm sure it is your "favorite."

You suspect Creature yeah? So vote that wagon. If he flips town I'll accept my fate tomorrow and town will be in mylo. So there'll still be hope.

If my lynch is inevitable I'd prefer it before we're in a mylo situation.

[havingfitz]

game was advertised as 10v3 implying not multiball and the Scum team would have only seen 2 members

Good point.