Open 709: Masons and Monks (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

And there's nothing in you that suggests it could possibly be Raya?

That's literally why I lynched you. That lack of consideration and lack of case until after you got hammered was a major scumtell.

Not getting killed is a clue I'm scum in singleball, I agree. But mafia didn't even kill me. Mafia has kept me alive when I was an Innocent Child who called out the entire 3 person scumteam on D1. I've made it to LyLo in so many games despite having a perfect LyLo win record.

Like Archwing, you haven't rectified why I would bus in that situation.

Do you believe that I didn't want to play this game out?

Plus how do either of Almost50 and talon kills make sense from my perspective?

Edit: You seriously think I gamethrew to get the game over with?

[JaydragonKing]

... Dino, lease tell me this is a long con from Dave.

Please tell me I'm not going into LyLo again.

[davesaz]

Evidence points to it not being a gamethrow, given you've almost won.
Saying that bussing is a gamethrow is a gross overstatement, if you think you can win it.
Both sides should kill you if you're town. There is literally no reason not to, because they're headed for a slow but guaranteed loss.

[davesaz]

Still @dino:
In the unlikely chance that you are town, you've overlooked someone.
But I'd rather give the win to that someone so I don't retract my dying wish.

I was on mobile, at l-1, and asked to be unvoted to be able to respond. Don't piss me off, ever.

[JaydragonKing]

... Dave, he's already talked about Raya and Assemble is the Monk. You can only be talking about me.

[Mathdino]

I mean I'm trying to find evidence of davesaz LyLo trolling but I don't really see anywhere he had the opportunity to.

I would also prefer not to go into LyLo again. ESPECIALLY if it ruins my 4-scum streak.

@dave: The point is that you just suggested I might've bussed to get shot and thus fulfill my "getting out of this game ASAP" strategy. I don't like scum but I don't hate scum THAT much.

Edit: So you can't defend yourself while at L-1? You made like 3 posts indicating that you weren't gonna give a case at all.

The only other options are Jay and Raya. It's not Jay. That implies I've overlooked Raya, whose scumgame would be characterised by:

- Pocketing Jay
- Jumping on her partner's wagon on his way down
- Killing A50 who might've outed her/Jay (getting her killed)
- Sheeping me twice while staying under the radar to avoid the NK
- Simultaneously discrediting me out of "paranoia"
- Refusing to hammer you so she doesn't lose cred going into tomorrow

Like, it's kind of consistent, but not nearly as consistent as you/Beefster.

[davesaz]

I can't post more than 1-liners while on mobile.

[davesaz]

I can't call acting like that a "banned activity" but take a look at the game I linked, where town was lynching me and I refused to give a case because I didn't want bad reads to hurt town.
When backed into a corner as town I do things that scum can't/won't ever do. Not my fault if town misread that when it's as clear as 3 inch type above the fold.

[Mathdino]

Hell, I even warn people I'm gonna bus in Town of Salem. I subscribe to mastina's "Never bus unless you have to" strategy. I soft-defended both Not_Mafia and Elmo TeH AzN from a lynch when they were both utterly useless. I hard defended my partners in Hope Plus One.

I'm a good enough scumhunter to nail both mafia. Why would I not just scumhunt the other team?

If I'm scum here, I'm the asshole. That's what you're failing to admit. I wouldn't want to play scum with myself if this were my scumgame.

Beefster's self-hammer is also inconsistent with me being scum tbh.

[Mathdino]

Like, this is not play I would be proud of. Playing like this also heavily jeopardises situations in which I'm town and I get scum lynched, because oh shit, Mathdino now has a meta for powerbussing on D1.

This is potentially THE WORST SITUATION to bus your partner on D1.

Worse than singleball.
Worse than white flag.
Worse than nightless.

The only thing it's not worse than is the case in which scum are lovers together.

[Mathdino]

Look, numberQ saw the hammer 2 hours ago. The fact that he hasn't locked the thread or said anything implies this is game over.

[Mathdino]

I hate this. I PM'd the mod.

Jay, I want you to look over my scumgame with you and my last scumgame with TheGoldenParadox (including the mafia PTs) and seriously tell me if this is my scumgame. I want to hear it from you.

Then, if it's between me and Raya, look over Raya's scumgame(s) and ask if scumRaya would be capable of this game as scum.

And then figure out, between my ISO and Raya's ISO, whose game has been more town-motivated.

Raya wanted to avoid massclaim because massclaim gets her shot if we didn't lynch mafia that day.

[JaydragonKing]

I wasn't going to comment on that, but when I saw Assemble vote, I checked the activity log and number was there. He's probably coming up with the flavor text or something. Or doing real-life stuff.

And fine, Dino. I asked Raya to look into all of us but I don't know if she did or not. I'll get her side of the story during the night if it's needed.

[Mathdino]

It will be. I don't want you to just blindly follow me here. One-way street to second guessing yourself after the time I drew scum. That kind of strategy only works once. ethos and S_S were both obvtown that game and I won by rhetoric.

This time, the evidence is in my favour, and I need you to review it.

[numberQ]

Vote Count (4.2)

Assemblerotws [0]

[LYNCHED]

davesaz [3]

Mathdino, JaydragonKing, Assemblerotws

JaydragonKing [0]

[L-2]

Mathdino [1]

davesaz

Raya36 [0]

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Raya36

Today, the decision is made quickly. Discussion is unneeded; the final werewolf is obvious.

But something is wrong. His body does not mutate as he is hung from the tree. The alderman, his face pale, turns to the amassed crowd and slowly shakes his head. Somewhere in that crowd, the true final culprit can barely contain a look of unparalleled glee.

--

davesaz,

Vanilla Townie

, was lynched day 4.

Night Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-07 14:03:37)

[numberQ]

As always, the alderman is already there when the villagers arrive. He is kneeling - no, almost crumpled - at the base of the tree. There is a slouch in his shoulders unbecoming the normally proud stature of this man. The reason why is evident. Another body, but not like the others. It is posed, leaning against the tree at the center of the village. If not for the brutal and bloody lacerations across its flesh, you might think it were simply resting.

Carved into the tree is a simple phrase - a taunt, a mocking epithet.

Final Chance

It is a dare from the remaining werewolf, a confident proclamation of their own victory. Silence fills a few moments, as all gathered stare at the body and the phrase. Finally, the alderman rises. It is time.

Assemblerotws,

Monk

Townie

, was killed night 4.

Day 5 begins!

Vote Count (5.0)

JaydragonKing [0]

Mathdino [0]

Raya36 [0]

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Everyone

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-21 14:03:20)

[Mathdino]

Jesus christ guys.

Jay, post all your completed scumgames.

I was hardtownreading Jay for the monk claim thing but he's also crazy good at scum.

Both your voting patterns suck. Equally.

I really don't know at this point.

[Mathdino]

Anyone want to bet which scum group is getting hung first? My bet's on the Werewolves. They are just dogs, after all. Clearly incapable of thought and reasoning.

In fact... If anybody here starts showing dog-like qualities, we should Lynch them immediately.

And what the fuck was this post supposed to be?

[Mathdino]

I'm resigned to the fact that one of you probably killed A50 for calling out your mason team. I don't see why either of you as scum would make the talon kill.

sheep argued hard against townreading Jay.
mozamis townread both of you and scumread Archwing, so that's likely Arch's kill.

Dunnstral and Assembler were pretty much on the exact same page of lynching dave. NAI kill.

[JaydragonKing]

Dino, I'm going to start saying stuff from the Mason PT, but I'll respond to your request first.

Newbie 1835 and Micro 775 are my scum games. The first one was my first ever game so I don't know if it's much help, and the second one was a weird 3P that you already read.

[Mathdino]

Yeah that's no help at all :/

Go ahead. Also here to answer any questions.

[JaydragonKing]

I tried in the Mason PT to get the answers from Raya about her response to the accusations of her and her opinion on post #1005. And I can't quote it exactly so I gotta paraphrase, but here it is, all from the same post-

"It's a good case against me, sure, even though I think it's twisted. It could be the true from your eyes Jay, but that's not what happened."

"I could go in depth, but I'd rather read both of your ISOs again."

"Both of you guys seem so town for me. I'm going back and forth on who's scum."

And this is later in the thread-

"Rereading again. Keep in mind it's Multiball and Dino had to hang two scum regardless."

And the final thing she said before the thread locked was-

"Could have been a Bus. Gonna reread to see if this is possible, however."

[Mathdino]

What about the stuff you said?

[JaydragonKing]

Gimme a sec, I was mainly trying to pry whatever I could out of her, but yeah let me look at mine again.

[JaydragonKing]

One of the things I said was that if I was only going from a game thread perspective and nothing elsa, I'd follow you in a heartbeat over her. I had even brought up you finding three scum. That's when she responded with the "Don't forget it's Multiball though" thing.

I also brought up the possibility that you honestly didn't think Beef would get lynched because I thought that's where she was going, saying you did it on accident.

The first thing I said night 4 was "we need to talk". It didn't go as well as it should have. I also basically joke posted since it took her so long to post. Saying I was lonely. Weird stuff.