Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Alisae]

HELLO SCIENTIFIC DOG WITH A HIGH ENOUGH IQ TO UNDERSTAND RICK AND MORTY, HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA MAN, BEE PEOPLE, SHEEPS, CHESS PIECES, KAGAMIS, KITTY CATS, CUTE ADORABLE LOLIS, GROWLITHES, MONKEYS, PRETTY LADIES, AND OTHERS WHO MAY BE CONCERNED

IT IS I
ALISAE

AND I WILL BE ANNOUNCING THAT I AM TOWN.

I WILL ALSO BE ANNOUNCING, TO KEEP IN NOTE TO PLEASE DON'T MAKE OFFERS TO DANCE WITH PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY
WE SHOULD USE THE DAY PHASE TO TRY TO DETERMINE THE BEST PAIRINGS AND HAVE ANTIHERO COMPLETELY DECIDE ALL PAIRINGS
THE MORE CONTROL TOWN HAS OVER PAIRINGS THE BETTER.

THANK YOU HAVE A NICE A DAY

[Alisae]

I have some ideas of who I would want a PT with just by play to try to test my abilities to sort them, but I'm probs going to wait till I find someone who I think is town then ask them.

[Alisae]

Also I'm debating if having Elli pair up with Anti is a good idea.
If Elli is town, Anti gets shot at intermission for sure.
If Elli is scum, Elli either leaves and/or gets scumfirmed. Elli would likely get scumfirmed if we left out 5 people and went along with Gamma's plan.

Like I am trying to figure out who benefits more from having Elli pair up with Anti, I think only scum does here unless Elli is scum himself.

[Alisae]

Awwwwww that's so romantic Elli <3
I think it's really nice that Chesskid is able to overlook the skill, looks and intelligence gaps between himself and Elli.
Feels like true love

/me fingerguns
good one

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fuck



me

Are you okay with deciding pairings or would you rather just have everyone have fun just by picking whomever they want.
One allows town to establish control over everything.
The other allows for fun but scum to have control over the game.

[Alisae]

Is it bad I kinda want to town read sheep atm?
Cause I am doing that

Already starting to read so early on?
It's called 'pre-'dance for a reason I guess. For me the game only really starts when the dancing starts.

Is it bad I want to townread this?

[Alisae]

Name: ALISAE
Why you are deeply in love with me : SEX?
Will u be jelleaous if i dont pick u hoe ??: You should pick me if you want to keep your limbs.
What your measurements ?? Prooof :
Send n00dles @joey1418

[Alisae]

is it time for me to learn what rejection feels like

∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ My Dearest Sheep, Thank you for not being a fucking weeb with an anime avatar. So... let's dance. Yours truly, xXxNoScOpE420bLaZeItReCkOnErXxX ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾

SUS AS FUCK

[Alisae]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

[Alisae]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

Why is that suspicious/scummy, though?

its moreso I feel like there's an alternative motive behind it.

[Alisae]

Kinda wolfy Ali is trying to scum read the true gay love between Rek and Sheep.

Bee: Now THIS Is the game where my Ali tells will work.

[Alisae]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

Why is that suspicious/scummy, though?

its moreso I feel like there's an alternative motive behind it.

what motive?

it just feels really buddyish/pockettish to me.

[Alisae]

I WILL ALSO BE ANNOUNCING, TO KEEP IN NOTE TO PLEASE DON'T MAKE OFFERS TO DANCE WITH PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY
WE SHOULD USE THE DAY PHASE TO TRY TO DETERMINE THE BEST PAIRINGS AND HAVE ANTIHERO COMPLETELY DECIDE ALL PAIRINGS
THE MORE CONTROL TOWN HAS OVER PAIRINGS THE BETTER.

THANK YOU HAVE A NICE A DAY

[Alisae]

I WILL ALSO BE ANNOUNCING, TO KEEP IN NOTE TO PLEASE DON'T MAKE OFFERS TO DANCE WITH PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY
WE SHOULD USE THE DAY PHASE TO TRY TO DETERMINE THE BEST PAIRINGS AND HAVE ANTIHERO COMPLETELY DECIDE ALL PAIRINGS
THE MORE CONTROL TOWN HAS OVER PAIRINGS THE BETTER.

THANK YOU HAVE A NICE A DAY

no

I just don't want to rush pairings.

[Alisae]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

1) Meta sucks
2) You have no idea what I characteristically do
3) Anime sucks and sheep was the first person w/out an anime avatar I saw while scrolling thru

Not a metaread a gut read.

[Alisae]

All I remember is being scum in one of these and wanting to have as much control over pairings because if town decided who I paired with I would end up being paired with someone I didn't want to pair with IE one of my scumbuddies.

[Alisae]

All I remember is being scum in one of these and wanting to have as much control over pairings because if town decided who I paired with I would end up being paired with someone I didn't want to pair with IE one of my scumbuddies.

I think you aren't taking into consideration people join the game with pairs in minds.
Which fucks up most strategies.

I am taking that into consideration completely exactly.
Like, I wanted to bring it up mostly because I'm a tryhard and if people WANTED to win, then thats the way to go.
But I knew going into this that people pair up for fun, cause they always do. Thats the main appeal of the setup imo.

So do you want to have fun or to win.
I am okay with either but I kinda want town to control things.

[Alisae]

I dont want alibae cuz we are the spamming power of this town and together we are too vulnerable

You want to keep your limbs right?

[Alisae]

{Maki, Reck}
One more please.

[Alisae]

Guys please just calm a bit down, how can ppl seriously keep up correctly with such a lot of kinda useless banter?
Pick me, pick others, make 8 pairs. Job done. THEN we can talk.

Hi
I kinda think you're town atm.
But I don't think you understand the importance of trying to create a TxT pairing.
We need to take our time to try to create as many TxT pairings and try to force scum to pair up with each other. This greatly increases our chance of winning as we get to kill 2 birds with one stone.
The best way to do that is to judge people's play during this phase.
We need time to establish who the best pairings are.
Going into the first dance within the first 24 hours of the game does just about the same amount of damage as quicklynching.

We have time, so we need to use that time.

[Alisae]

Guys please just calm a bit down, how can ppl seriously keep up correctly with such a lot of kinda useless banter?
Pick me, pick others, make 8 pairs. Job done. THEN we can talk.

Hi
I kinda think you're town atm.
But I don't think you understand the importance of trying to create a TxT pairing.
We need to take our time to try to create as many TxT pairings and try to force scum to pair up with each other. This greatly increases our chance of winning as we get to kill 2 birds with one stone.
The best way to do that is to judge people's play during this phase.
We need time to establish who the best pairings are.
Going into the first dance within the first 24 hours of the game does just about the same amount of damage as quicklynching.

We have time, so we need to use that time.

Have you already invited someone?

Nope, still deciding on who I want to invite.

[Alisae]

Like not to mention not everyone has checked in.

[Alisae]

That's a thing I'm considering atm~

[Alisae]

{Maki, Reck}
One more please.

Are those scumreads, if so why

no shit sherlock.

[Alisae]

That's a thing I'm considering atm~

Do you townread me yes or no.

Yes

[Alisae]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

im a lady

coulda fooled me tbh

[Alisae]

That's a thing I'm considering atm~

Do you townread me yes or no.

Yes

Then why tf don't you invite me.
I see no reason to not invite someone you townread

Because we're hardly even an hour into the game yet?

[Alisae]

Like here is where my mind is currently at when it comes to pairings.
- Harambey is just obvious town I just don't think he understands why rushing the pairings is bad.
- Venmar I would like to pair up with as a personal preference mostly to test my abilities to read them, especially after having never played with them. Before taking this route though I want to see their posting.
- I want to get in Joey's pants pronto.
- I'm down to pair up with Anti but I'm worried we're definitely going to get shot during intermission.
- Bee is obvious town but this is a pairing I rather not go with becuase I feel like his personal paranoia over me is going to be the death between us. He seems town via play so far but its moreso I think more damage will be done by us pairing up.

[Alisae]

{Maki, Fire, Reck}
Case closed friends.

[Alisae]

{Maki, Reck}
One more please.

Are those scumreads,

if so why

ALI PLEASE

Have you been reading the thread?
Cause if so you found your answer lmfao.

[Alisae]

Yes Reck
I am a poor man's RC.
Thank you for pointing that that amazingly keen observation.

[Alisae]

Reck I'm sorry you feel that way, and I want to see how you play the game but um
What are you doing that's actually town right now?
Like, if I am sorting you incorrectly, then help me out and show me why I'm wrong.

[Alisae]

Well, I'm not spamming the thread with stupid bullshit making it really hard for any reasonable town player to read anything coherently, for one.

So that already puts me a leg up on you.

I want to see you scumhunt not be a dick and boast about not spamming imo.

[Alisae]

I can deal with your read on me eventually because that's what happens, reads grow & evolve.
I cannot deal with the spam and it's explicitly anti-town when half the spam posts are contentless and dumb.
Spam post if you have actually interesting things to say, otherwise stop and sit back and let the game breathe a little bit, fucking Christ.

Thanks Reck you're right I'll chill out for a bit imo.
This is better atleast.

[Alisae]

chesskid is dumb, and also probably town for now because that's easier for me to just assume on D1. I'll reassess later.
Harambey actually strikes a scummy chord with me, I don't like him shrugging off pre-dance reads and biding his time and I don't like SOMETHING in my gut about his chesskid interactions early.
Alisae is spamming and probably town because honestly it comes down to me thinking it would be almost too cheeky for e to enter the game the way e did. I don't want to lynch it, but I could also see how I would be blinded by someone who spams then makes a genuine connection to reach out to me.
Antihero is town HOT TAKE.
beeboy is scummy af because what the fuck is the point of this post other than empty content and the appearance of doing something? Actually beeboy's entire iso alternates between scummy, infuriating, and annoying.
Dunn can be light scum lean for the weird reaction to Joey's claim of the scumkill in 140/143.
Ellibereth can be a fat pile of null. I do find it weird he's not reaction hunting or doing anything since he seems to have a real boner for proving he TRULY BELONGS in the pantheon of the SDC and yet here he's just posting empty memes and game-irrelevant shit so far.
Firebringer idfk man. Dude's a walking meme/joke. I guess I will sort him later.
Gamma is like, fine. I rather like the attempt to setup break early.
Joey's posts make me want to put a gun in my mouth so he can die whenever, I don't care what alignment he is.
I like that Kagami also picked up on scum-beeboy vibes so Kagami can get town points for that.
Maki paired with Dunn who I have a slight scumlean on and I don't see the point in scum pairing with themselves? Unless someone wants to tell me why this is secretly optimal play I'll just assume Dunnscum=Makitown but I'm not heavy on either of those reads rn.
sheep whines about preemptively not being picked and his empty reads are dumb and bad ok that's all

I kinda want to pair with Antihero or Venmar, for old time's sakes.
And yes, I asked sheep as a joke post to open the game. We're both ladies. It'd never work in this homophobic society.

scum are in {Harambey/beeboy/Dunnstral/sheep} probably

Hey, there are certain parts about this that make me feel you're scumreading all town.

Mostly the Harambey read, here I feel like you're not taking into consideration his lack of expierence. Like yeah, I agree with you completely, him trying to rush pre-dance would be extremely scummy. However I really don't think he understands why that's bad to do, mostly because I get this from my interactions with him. The way is thinking is extremely simpleminded and he's not really taking into considertion the bigger picture. And that looks really natural for me. So I guess my main concern here is what makes it seem like its coming from scum and/or what is making his actions come with malicious intent?

When it comes to reading me, I don't really get the feeling you're trying to read what I am actually posting and for the most part dismissing it as spam, but tbf I think your opinion of me is that I'm hyperactive and as such cancer/bad at the game because lolms nowadays so...
I kinda share a similar concern with your Kagami read in that, I don't think you're really making the best attempt to sort them, however I don't think they have the content to be correctly sorted right now?

When it comes to Bee, I kinda just disagree? I feel like there are points where he's thinking about the game from a town PoV (mostly seen in 121). Like, I can understand how you see this. Like to me this FEELS like he could be scum, but I just don't think he is just by how he's posting? Like some of it reads uncomfortable to me. But I think its just honestly more likely that he's town, and later in the game that'll become a lot more apparent.

Can you explain what makes you think Dunn's posting there is wierd?

When it comes to Elli, I agree with you his posting is NAI atm. What I don't agree with is the expectation of him to be tryharding this early on atm, mostly because he just, doesn't do that? Atleast not an hour into the beginning of the game.

Like, I feel like you picked out a bunch of easy scumreads that can be easily justified, I don't really know if you're really trying to sort people, and it doesn't read that way to me.

[Alisae]

I don't care if someone's experienced or not, I care if it's scummy or not.
If it is, and they're town, they'll learn what is scummy in the future.
If it is, and they're scum, then they are caught.
People can hide behind bullshit like meta & inexperience...it's futile to try to sort people's genuineness.

See, the thing is, I don't feel like you're trying to evaluate if he is hiding behind his inexperience.
The way you're presenting the read doesn't feel anything like you're trying to figure out their alignment.
Like, its a mindset like this that makes me feel like the read is coming from scum, mostly because with this mindset, you're allowed to keep the read you want to keep unnaturally.

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Please explain to me the "feeling" you "get" when someone is "reading what you're posting" versus "just dismissing it". I literally said my entire read on you comes from your first post, because I don't see scum being that cheeky. I think YOU aren't reading what I am posting?

AAAAAAH you're right sorry.
I honestly payed more attention to the part where you mentioned me trying to reach to you tbh.

What I meant with that is I don't feel like you're addressing my concerns, just brushing them off. Like, what I thought you were doing is taking my posting and calling it town without any thought to it. That's kind of what I meant by just brushing it off?
(Note: My concerns were garbage considering the fact that you asked Sheep to dance when you're both ladies)

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Please explain to me what a "best attempt to sort" Kagami looks like vs what I did, which is agree w/ her reads.

Trying to figure out what actions her alignment is coming from vs just agreeing with her reads and saying they're town because of them.

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Dunn's post is weird because it seems like he's confused and wanting to point to Joey's obvjoke about using the scumkill. It's almost as if he wants to draw attention to it. I'm bad with words. Scum would read that joke reaction as more alarming than town would, because I think town would just brush it off as a joke and move on. The fact he comments on it at all is weird to me. What are the outcomes there?

"Do you mean the scum kill?"

"Yes: I am scum."
"No: I meant another kill that I secretly have in this open setup."

It just sits weird with me.

Okay I guess I can see how you think that.

--

I'm gonna guarantee you I'm infinitely more familiar with Ellibereth than you, just in general, since we were both members of SDC 8 years ago.
I'm gonna also guarantee you that I've had conversations very recently w/ Elli where I was trolling him saying he wasn't as good as the rest of us back then, which is mostly what I was referencing.

oh...

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tl;dr: Today I learned that I like 269 from reck.
Like, in post 240, I had a feeling that maybe he was just town being wrong, mostly because I would maybe expect scum to have harder, more firm stances?
This exchange help me realize that that thought is probably what is happening at the moment, and Reck's confidence level in the way he presented his reads is kinda just perfect for my tastes.

So yes I'm happy now thank you Reck.

[Alisae]

I guess I'll take this time to explain my other reads.

When it comes to Firebringer, I kinda felt like his pop in comes from a wolf.
It's 100% a gutread.

As for Claire, I'm probably going to look at how they approached this setup in the other games to see if this is consistent with their approach here, but there's also these posts

Alisae if I didn't have confidence in reading dunn I wouldn't have paired with him....I think
trust in your maki :3

Like srsly how do you have these reads yet I really don't get it
I think alisae is weird but that's normal
beeboy is prob town but like
..that's it?

That just
don't feel right to me.

Like I do trust Claire to read Dunn
what I don't trust is to actually be reading him
or in otherwords, to actually be scumhunting.
Eh I just don't like it.

[Alisae]

anti can we watch Rick and Morty together?

[Alisae]

alisae's attack on reck felt weak and opportunistic, and their prompt, spineless backpedal and backdown to reck's refutation reveals how poorly founded and weak their attack was on reck. giving this anime weeb +10 poop points

I agree with mostly every except how it comes off with opportunistic, and am not seeing how you got that conclusion?

[Alisae]

literally kill me

I can invite you to dance
and then we can talk
and then I can leave and/or stay depending on how things work out~

[Alisae]

Shiro Darling
do me a favor and put a

tag behind the pink its hard to see on MafSepia.

[Alisae]

Alisae, how is life. Let's talk.

Reck got mad at me for spamming so I'm trying to be more sparce with my posts.
Imagine as if I was playing the game on A2
How can I help you dear?~

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literally kill me

I can invite you to dance
and then we can talk
and then I can leave and/or stay depending on how things work out~

this doesn't sound fun. sorry

Sounds fun to me.
Is it a shitty town thing to do just request someone to dance for the sake of aggressively sorting them and then suiciding if you don't like the results?
Sure, since town are always (for the most part) going to leave the dance.
But I want you to talk to me. Because that's what makes the world go round.
My push was weak on Reck mostly because I'm trying to figure out his alignment. Its not a read I can be fully confident in this early into the day phase.
I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.

[Alisae]

Reck got mad at me for spamming so I'm trying to be more sparce with my posts.
Imagine as if I was playing the game on A2
How can I help you dear?~

You are one of the 2 I'm considering accepting. Who do you townread in gentlemen?

Bee and Harambey.
Joey can maaaaaaaybe be town?
FoS Fire
Would like to chat with Venmar
everyone else no read.

[Alisae]

This is take over the game Alisae that has a few tells that I will figure out if they're town or scum
give it time I don't really have any reads and idk how tf any of yall do either rn
PEDIT: S T O P

Like srsly how do you have these reads yet I really don't get it
I think alisae is weird but that's normal
beeboy is prob town but like
..that's it?

I'd be okay if Alisae was left behind given I feel like they're trying to be way too srs and control the gamestate and that's something scum alisae does a LOT

I could be bias cause they sr me but I don't think I am

shit...
I think I'm right :/

[Alisae]

I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.

i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.

will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points

pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.

Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanks

Eh, I disagree. I think opportunism is moreso just adjusting your reads to suit the table.
And I agree, its definitely a flawed play. I just wanted your attention
Who else is scum?

[Alisae]

Have you not seen them do it as town?

I have but not nearly this early
I was thinking of the dr game I modded it reminded me of scum alisae you were in it what do you think

Ok see
when you analyze meta this way
you're going to get the opinion that meta is trash.
Because that's not how you analyze meta.
You don't analyze the what unless you're looking for a viewpoint that's consistent.
You analyze the how.

What you're saying here is "Alisae tried to control the game early D1."
What you're completely leaving out is how I did that.
Because we both know what you're presenting, and what actually happened (and how it happened), are two completely different things.

[Alisae]

Yes Claire
I am taking the same approach to this game when I aggressively tried to push multiple people into corners in a scumgame.


pedit: Anti I'm unpaired.

[Alisae]

Gentlemen

Joey_
Kokichi Oma
Venmar
Antihero
Harambey180

Ladies

Alisae
Kagami
Gamma Emerald
xRECKONERx

pairs

chesskid3-Ellibereth
beeboy-sheepsaysmeep
firebringer-Shiro
Dunnstral-Maki Harukawa

Reck-Joey
Anti-Alisae
Ven-Kagami
Gamma with 1 of kokichi/hara

Wait
You scumread me
and want to pair me up with Conftown.

[Alisae]

Venmar can leave the dance for all I care lmfao.

[Alisae]

Gentlemen

Joey_
Kokichi Oma
Venmar
Antihero
Harambey180

Ladies

Alisae
Kagami
Gamma Emerald
xRECKONERx

pairs

chesskid3-Ellibereth
beeboy-sheepsaysmeep
firebringer-Shiro
Dunnstral-Maki Harukawa

Reck-Joey
Anti-Alisae
Ven-Kagami
Gamma with 1 of kokichi/hara

Wait
You scumread me
and want to pair me up with Conftown.

Yep!

See,
I feel like you're going to just attempt to wifom a lynch on conftown this way.
If I am scum, what you're allowing me to do is essentially leave as soon as the dance actually starts, removing conftown from the game.
Luckily, I'm not going to do that, because I'm town, and that'd be stupid.
Like, I don't think you actually thought this through if you think your read is right on me.

So what you're actually doing is basicly setting yourself up to be able to WIFOM a lynch on conftown because they potentially chose to be with scum.
Like
I'm having a hard time seeing the town motivation in that.

[Alisae]

Like
If you present it that way, I actually am having a hard time figuring out me dancing with Anti benefits town if you scumread me.

[Alisae]

Okay then I'm just dumb and am very clearly missing something.

[Alisae]

I just feel like town is being setup for failure here and scum want me to pair up with anti so they can try to wifom a lynch on me.
If I'm thinking about this the wrong way and I'm just being dumb then I'm making an ass out of myself.

pedit: Yes and I was scum. The way I thought about it there was try to lynch the conftown by saying their partner was scum.

sigh

Anti what do you want to do.

[Alisae]

Like
I'm not opposed to pairing up with conftown.
I'll certainly do it.
My concern is scum will just try to flip me at some point because I'm with conftown, and that's a push they can do.

[Alisae]

Like
I'm not opposed to pairing up with conftown.
I'll certainly do it.
My concern is scum will just try to flip me at some point because I'm with conftown, and that's a push they can do.

Why do you care so much about maki's opinion ? we can mate right now and make her jealous

I'll ask you if Anti is ok with it?

[Alisae]

Like if Anti wants me asking him I'll ask Anti.
If Anti is ok with me asking you Joey then I will ask you.

[Alisae]

FUCK IT

Joey can dance with you and the after the dance chloroform you, making yours mine forever

[Alisae]

@Alisae

Yes i will fuc.. ehh dance with you

.......

If you want a piece of my cake next time you should woman-up and ask me out yourself

Spoiler:

you paired with scum

I mean hey I'm going to be winning the 1v1 so...

[Alisae]

and ali/maki can you please not do this already

Nope.
She's scum.
Its happening as soon as we get out of pre-dance.
What will happen though is me taking a break from the thread for a few hours to give it more space for things to happen.

[Alisae]

Okay
I am going to case Maki now and then read up because Maki should NOT be this globally TR'd she's scum scum scum.

Let's start with her approach to the mechanic over all.
Here she seems extremely adamant about wanting me to pair up with Anti because she thinks I'm scum and that's benefical for the town, right?
Well, this wasn't ever a concern for Maki for the other dance games. In fact, Maki didn't try to force pairings at all.
Keep in mind when I'm going over these games, she's on the account MariaR.
Dance Game 1 (The dance game I was scum in) - Here is a game where she really wasn't trying to enforce any pairings at all. Her only real arguements here with Hebi was about questioning her biases and her LLD read. Nothing that is trying to pair up people with certain people.
Dance Game 2 (this game I wasn't involved in - You can see the same thing here again. HOWEVER here she DOES make a comment about people attempting to pair with Nat here. Note here she's not really trying to force scum to pair with anyone, just saying that its bad for scum to pair up with the IC.

Now, let's compare that to this game, where Maki is actively trying to control pairings whereas in other games, this wasn't a concern of hers.
I feel like Maki wants as much control over pairings as possible so she can have control over the game.
I think I explained this, but for the most part, I think Maki was planning on shooting not the IC pairing to try to attempt to WIFOM a lynch on the IC pairing and myself.
481 is a scumclaim for all intensive purposes because here Maki is attempting to push something that is extremely justified and easy to push. It allows her own reasoning to look good without attempting on looking right. So when I flip town, she can just use that justification as a scapegoat and continue to lynch town.

Now, let's talk about her play here.
150 and 202 is where my initial scumread started. Mostly because this feels extremely pocketty in just her phrasing.
210 and 221 is important, mostly for progression purposes.
372 Maki comes out with this scumread on me. Now, why does this not make sense? Well, mostly because they said in 202 that I can play this way as either alignment. Granted, they're not wrong, this IS something I am do a lot, HOWEVER
410 is COMPLETELY false and in fact, its not the same approach at all. Keep in mind, Claire is comparing DRv3 Upick that she modded to this game. This isn't what I call aggro control. Aggro control is when I have complete control. I am trying to give control to Anti. And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Keep in mind, Claire is comparing my play currently, to a play where I railroad lynch after lynch after lynch.

This isn't a fight she can win, and she knows this based on how she's posting. So if anything, she wants to try to avoid the fight with me and let the read sit so she doesn't have to expose herself while pushing it.
She doesn't want to fight me because that involves her getting her own hands dirty.

[Alisae]

ALI

glad you're here

i will read your case on maki later. task at hand rn is leaving someone out. who do you think it should be?

Venmar if that's an option. I hate his kokichi read imo.

[Alisae]

Here's why I fos Venmar

I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.

i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.

will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points

pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.

Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanks

I actually kind of feel like its really easy for him to take this stance against me.
Like, I don't believe its a read that had thought put behind it, it kinda feels agenda based.

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shortlist of people to leave behind:

kokichi
harambay

this has been venny thank you very much for your attention

Here these reads are just opportunistic and garbage. Harmabey is new and is really obvious town.
Kokichi is extremely lynchable and is an easy push.

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ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think

they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.

also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts

I hate this post a lot.
Venmar is using a lot of things like the bolded. I don't feel like Venmar is trying to have a right read here. I feel like he's trying to present a read that is ironclad in reasoning.
Let's talk about the posts he pointed out.
293 - Somewhat valid question that is easy to attack.
332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.
342 - Not alignment indicative.
404 - The only thing that's wrong about this post is that he thinks he's a 7 when he's actually a 1 and that he has correct reads. Besides that, and for the most part, the post seems truthful. And at worst, the post is NAI.

[Alisae]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

[Alisae]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

If it makes you feel better it's not a feeling no one actually cares he is a newbie.

No
from what I understand, people are fosing him mostly because he is trying to rush the Pre-Dance.
What makes me different from everyone else, is I don't think its malicious.
I just think he genuinely thinks that he just does not know why rushing pairings are bad.
And I think that the slot is going to flip town period not to mention ITS FUCKING CONSENSUS.

[Alisae]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

Like sure "that's a weak case" and "he isn't forming reads"
Shit like that has to do with being a newbie.

But the Reck case on Harambey is he essentially dismissed talking strategy and forming reads during the initial phase of the game which I don't think has anything to do with his experience level?

Oh it absolfuckingutely has everything to do with experience level.
In 172, I attempt to approach him on why what he is doing is bad and why he needs to be okay with letting the phase draw out some more.
Reading onwards to here, he continues to ignore my point completely like it flew over his head.
190 is his main approach to the mechanic. I don't think this is scummy, I think he genuinely believes that.
He's just not thinking about consquences on why what he's doing is bad.
Its fairly easy to see.

[Alisae]

Alisae knows for a fact I have talked this over with alisae personally and they're not bringing it up on purpose
my meta changes from game to game and even if we want to use the argument of meta
even if we want to use meta those games were 6 months ago and 2 years ago (holy I've been here long)
I don't remember what my thought going into those games were I'd be lying if I said I remember but Alisae acting like it is fact that I would have the same play over and over is fucking strange because my approach to this maybe I had a different mindset to other games I say maybe because I really don't remember how old me wanted to play the game

Well your play and approach here is extremely different.
In those past games, you weren't really worried about control.
Here you're a complete total control freak.

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I'm not trying to control the pairs

Um
I think your WHOLE approach to my slot and the pairs completely suggests otherwise.
If that's not controlling then I don't really know what IS controlling, so feel free to educate me there

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I'm giving my own suggestion and I think Alisae not wanting to go with the IC pair was a scumclaim because why wouldn't they want to be with conf town if they're under sus? Alisae clearly thinks they can beat me in a 1v1 so why are they so worried to go with the IC? It makes 0 sense with the thought process Alisae is trying to project here it randomly changes from time to time plus along with my own meta I brought up before I feel like scum alisae wants me out of this game because they think I'm an easy push perhaps? That's the best I can come up with because I don't really know why scum Ali pushes me here I just don't think there play was right and the ask of joey to dance seemed like an act of desperation to me part of me wants to call Alisae town because of that case on me because I don't know why Alisae would go after me or make that case on me as scum because they have so many players to go on but alisae is controlling the game to me and there acts of something scummy is something I can't let go on I geninely think alisae is trying to get tehre claws in this game and I'm willing to go guns blazing on it.

You're not trying to address my thought process here.
Which has been stated in thread.
Multiple times.
I'll restate it again.
The reason why you want me to pair up with the IC, is so you can continue to hold your scumread on me during dance 1, then during intermission shoot someone that isn't me and Anti, and then push me during dance 2 saying "HEY LOOK, ALISAE IS SCUM BECAUSE ANTI IS STILL ALIVE."

And if you were an easy push, there would be a LOT more support for you.
Right now you're trying to put yourself as the victim, and its scummy.

[Alisae]

COMPLETELY false and in fact, its not the same approach at all. Keep in mind, Claire is comparing DRv3 Upick that she modded to this game. This isn't what I call aggro control. Aggro control is when I have complete control. I am trying to give control to Anti. And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Keep in mind, Claire is comparing my play currently, to a play where I railroad lynch after lynch after lynch.

If this was the case why wouldn't you try to pair with anti why wouldn't you want to talk things over with them and get them to tr you so you can do it together if you're trying to do that I don't get why you'd pair like that and I never see you (correct me if I'm wrong) just kiss a conf'd town clears ass like you have been doing you're trying to take control of this game and now looking at this case it doesn't even seem like you're trying to sort me at all here it feels like you're just going "what are other reasons I can scumread claire"
Like my scumread on Kokichi isn't as strong as before because I don't think he'd take this angle and be flip floppy on me for reasons...It feels like he's trying to sort me when I compare this to you for example I don't get that same game solving arc I get someone who is trying to post a lot and have a grip in the game and when you got just the little bit of pressure on you you fought back

You're not trying to address my thought process here.
Which has been stated in thread.
Multiple times.
I'll restate it again.
The reason why you want me to pair up with the IC, is so you can continue to hold your scumread on me during dance 1, then during intermission shoot someone that isn't me and Anti, and then push me during dance 2 saying "HEY LOOK, ALISAE IS SCUM BECAUSE ANTI IS STILL ALIVE."

[Alisae]

Bee its because he's limiting himself to fairly basic thought processes that just makes me think he's innocent.
But hey, he'll flip town, I'll be like "I told you so."
and if he flips scum then I'm wrong and I made an ass out of myself lmao.

[Alisae]

I don't even understand how you can say this because I know when I am controlling and I'm not trying to CONTROL ANYTHING that's not even in my nature I hate "controlling" anything

Its very simple. I look at posts like these.
And these
And This too
And go
"Yep, Maki is controlling the game."

Of course I wouldn't push that the IC pair not dying or dying is a giant wifom fest anyone who's played this should know that if you were with anti and didn't die that's a stupid angle to push in fact I'd prob perk a brow at anyone trying to push that angle I think your paranoia on people just pushing that is strange what victim card am I playing because trust me

I am no victim.

I mean
with posts like this and also this, you make it sound like that is an angle you're going to go for.

[Alisae]

I don't even understand how you can say this because I know when I am controlling and I'm not trying to CONTROL ANYTHING that's not even in my nature I hate "controlling" anything

Its very simple. I look at posts like these.
And these
And This too
And go
"Yep, Maki is controlling the game."

Of course I wouldn't push that the IC pair not dying or dying is a giant wifom fest anyone who's played this should know that if you were with anti and didn't die that's a stupid angle to push in fact I'd prob perk a brow at anyone trying to push that angle I think your paranoia on people just pushing that is strange what victim card am I playing because trust me

I am no victim.

I mean
with posts like this and also this, you make it sound like that is an angle you're going to go for.

First quote: A suggestion on who I would like I am not shoving it down peoples throats that *THESE PAIRS NEED TO HAPPEN* that is not controlling the game that is you cherrypicking
2nd quote: How is...that controlling o_o
3rd quote: I guess I can you give you this one. Yeah I didn't want joey to dance with my sr ye I tried to control joey a little

A. Whats the difference?
B. Its controlling because its trying to continue the agenda you want to push through.

[Alisae]

btw these two posts

@VENMAR DANCE WITH ME

I accept

still at work

quick thought is that alisae and joey pairing is convenient since then we can lynch scum and deadweight at the same time ayy kill me

This is what we call a wolfy popin.

[Alisae]

2nd part of your quote I'm obv gonna say "no I wouldn't push that angle!" but if you think I'm scum you think I'm lying so blah. I want anti with null/scummy people because if they pair with obv town....that's just gonna get nk'd like I don't see why you wouldn't pair the ic with someone null/hard to read/scummy I really don't

All the ladies are gonna be in the game so it's not like 1 of these ladies would be left out if that was the case we would leave said scummy lady out but we can't do that so what's the best way to do that?
Why not pair em with the IC

Not have the gentleman pair up with the scummy lady.
Like
duh?

[Alisae]

Maki
I don't think you're approaching this fight from a town mindset.
I feel like you're mostly just trying to come up with arguements to win it rather then push a read through.

pedit: Its controlling because you're putting out the agenda you want. Even if you call it "just pushing a suggestion" you're still pushing your scum agenda, just calling it a suggestion.
And B STILL gets your agenda through.
pedit2: to avoid WIFOM? like duh.

[Alisae]

I want ywall to chill and not spam the thread some more.

[Alisae]

This Gun
My head

[Alisae]

+10 poop points

+3 poopy points

+5 poopy points

+145rq2w35r9oi836t4o8956325 poopy points

Meaningful posting everybody.

[Alisae]

i think the anime avatar is upset, and misrepping me down to my lame jokes!

158t0-9347612347683645 + Poopy + Points ++++

[Alisae]

tbh at the start of dance 1 I rather kill Venmar then Maki.
CLAIRE
THAT MEANS YOUR SAFE FOR A BIT
THAT MEANS THAT GIVES ME TIME TO RE-EVALUATE IN THE EVENT YOU'RE TOWN
YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY.

[Alisae]

everyone has so many bullshit reads

For the record, what are your reads?

[Alisae]

and they don't stop coming

[Alisae]

VOTE: Venmar

[Alisae]

Anti is someone you can do that to easily as scum and get away with it tbh

[Alisae]

Sheep stop you probably acted that way when you were bad at the game as well.

[Alisae]

Sheep stop you probably acted that way when you were bad at the game as well.

no like he's intentionally trying not to give reads

Besides the fact I find this comment to be really scummy

[Alisae]

Harambey what even are your reads?

[Alisae]

Not to mention it is extremely easy to manipulate someone in a hood then it is in the gamethread

[Alisae]

people who feel like they're out of their scum range already please raise your hands

/me raises hand

[Alisae]

VOTE: Venmar

[Alisae]

It's like Venmar has terrible reads and only pushed town.
Wow
What a surprise.

[Alisae]

let's gossip about the juicy things shiro tells you in your PT sometime

Ah, scandalous, private matter are private.

As for an update I still haven't managed to find the time to read the game and there is a chance I won't find the time tomorrow because after work I have a DnD session and the day after that I have to go to a birthday party.
I will attempt to read most if not everything during work though, just...no promises.

shit
I think shiro rolled scum.

[Alisae]

btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

:scumposting:

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so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

Also :scumposting:

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main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.

the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy

, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

Lets look at the post again

332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.

Venmar is flipping scum.

[Alisae]

chesskid3 - Ellibereth
Dunnstral -

Maki Harukawa

Firebringer - Shiro

- NOTE: I don't think this is is scum pairing up with each other I moreso think that either one of them will flip scum.
Joey_ - Alisae

Venmar

- xRECKONERx

beeboy

- sheepsaysmeep

Antihero

- Kagami

Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald

If you're not colored that means
A. I'm not coming out with a read on that slot atm or
B. I don't have a read there.

[Alisae]

Actually Reck should be green imo I just forgot to color him.
Woops.

pedit: its mostly I like her fireshiro vote.
There's also 1006 I like
There's also some posts in her interactions that I like.

[Alisae]

vote: alisae

There we go
Thats the spirit.

[Alisae]

vote: alisae

There we go
Thats the spirit.

:scumposting:

Atleast I didn't fos kokichi!

[Alisae]

Or Harambey
Or Me
Or just town in general.

[Alisae]

I mean
I like the read.
And one of ywall is probably flipping scum so...

[Alisae]

Bee vote Venmar tyvm

[Alisae]

Bee.
Vote.
Venmar.

Vote starts with a V.
The V in Vote stands for Venmar.
Therefore you should vote Venmar.

[Alisae]

I will thunderdome the shit out of beeboy when i get home

Yeah I'm thunderdoming Venmar.

[Alisae]

Like if I have to lynch one of you two to get my fucking Venmar lynch then fine idc but I want Venmar gone period.
Always flips scum.
Always.

[Alisae]

vote: alisae

There we go
Thats the spirit.

:scumposting:

Atleast I didn't fos kokichi!

Or Harambey
Or Me
Or just town in general.

Voting people who end up flipping town (or at least you think are going to anyway isn't an issue) it's if you find the read on the slot genuine or not town can go 0/3 and town can go 3/3 reads aren't really AI I've said this over and over it's the actions around the read if someone started going "oh you should read my reads because ___ has been more wrong !" then I'd have an issue

no shit claire i know this.
like
have I not explicity stated that I think his pushes have been garbage that's worth
427398576983246598032 ++++++POPPPPPY+++++POINTS+++++++++










+

[Alisae]

Ali please respond

to what

[Alisae]

Like if I have to lynch one of you two to get my fucking Venmar lynch then fine idc but I want Venmar gone period.
Always flips scum.
Always.

i'd be willing to make a bet with you otherwise if it wasn't against the rules, but you know you'd lose it anyways since you know i'm town mr scummy

ok honestly
I am kinda considering leaving just to prove myself as town because I feel like my townflip gets you lynched.
I ALSO scumread Joey (surprise sekret read) btw

[Alisae]

btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

:scumposting:

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so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

Also :scumposting:

--

main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.

the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy

, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

Lets look at the post again

332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.

Venmar is flipping scum.

also like i don't even understand this post? alisae is literally just discrediting and handwaving everything i said with ":scumposting:", and then on the last point if anyone interprets "332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad" as a contradiction to the bolded i will fucking eat a shoe. i think the context clearly dictates it as alisae dismissing 332 as townie rather than alisae asking me a question, and that's how interpreted that and continue to do so.

i do think that alisae's stance on me went from wanting to talk to me/pairing with me to vehemently attacking me which is an interesting character arc. i will also point out that it makes perfect sense for scum-alisae, who has already once bragged about kokichi flipping town, to button down and hard-push and attack me for attacking kokichi if scum-alisae knows that kokichi is flipping town. it makes me look bad once kokichi flips town and alisae can coast on that fact alone. townreading/defending kokichi wasn't exactly THE MOST common sentiment as far as my minimum-reading memory serves me, and alisae was the only one that felt the need to openly attack me over it. in my eyes it definitely reeks of a scum agenda

Because the post was a trap.
I COULD have refuted all of your points easily.
But I wanted to prove the following point:

YOU'RE NOT PUSHING THIS READ TO BE RIGHT. YOU'RE PUSHING THIS READ TO WIN A DEBATE.

And this is what this posts proves.
That your read is just, not natural on me.

You have taken the majority of my posting and turned them all into scumposts.
The reality of mafia is: not every post is a scum post.
(well, except yours )

The point of that specific post was layed out for you to attack it.
I wanted to see how you would attack it.
And you reacted EXACTLY the way I thought you would react if you were scum:
To attack it and continue pushing.

I'm actually going to refute these points now you stated in that post, because its really scummy.
Like for example, the first part

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

indicates that you're litterally just finding a way to attack my post.
The second part

so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine,

just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable.

actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

The bolded for the most part, attempts to find a way to unnaturally make my actions look scummy.
The third bit

main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on. the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

The problem with this is you're attacking what I'm not doing. Instead of addressing my concerns, you're going out of you're way to say "I didn't do this, therefore I am scum." I feel like this proves you're trying to win an arguement not lynch scum.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Lynch Venmar.
I think I proved my point, so I am going to do this.

I'm taking Joey into my basement- I mean I'm leaving the dance.

Because at this point, my townflip is litterally Venmar's lynch.

Note: I would NOT be doing this if I townread Joey.
I actually in fact, scumread him. I kinda just feel like Joey's approach to this game is coming from scum.

Regardless of if Joey flips scum, I feel like Maki v Gamma just based off of this page is a TvS. and I feel like There is one scum in the Fire Shiro pairing.

Shiro for the most part, I don't think he would actually read the game if he was town.
When I was hydraing with Shiro on Crows, he believed that reading 140 something pages was something that was "town as duck" to put it in his words.
He also ellabroated that he wouldn't read the game as town. I feel like him making an attempt to read the game is probably coming from scum.

Fire I honestly think has just been openwolfing the whole game.

But yeah, may god help me if I am terribly wrong.
PCE YO

ALSO IF YOU DON'T KILL VENMAR I AM DOING THIS FOR NO REASON PLEASE KILL HIM.

[Alisae]

WTF ARE YOU SERIOUS ALISAE

oh shit
you're actually town.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Venmar

THANK YOU CHESSKID

[Alisae]

no alisae dont do this we miss you

Its too late the only way to make sure its worth it is to lynch Venmar.

[Alisae]

I want eli to shut up so I don't want to lynch it anymore
Pedit: Venmar is town >_>

Sheep the read.
Its flipping scum.

[Alisae]

Or Claire can just be scum.

pedit: PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO ME IF I DEMAND IT.

[Alisae]

Anti I think I got my Maki scumread back.
Does that matter?
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

Can you just lynch Venmar for me?

[Alisae]

Also removing yourself for lynching fry? Why didnt you ask for my help AND WAIT BEFORE I RESPONDED BEFORE SUING, you ask me to vote fry but YOU DIDNT WAIT MY REPLY AND U KILLED ME TF

ALL AROUND ME ARE FAMILIAR FACES
WARN OUT PLACES
WARN OUT FACES

[Alisae]

btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

:scumposting:

--

so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

Also :scumposting:

--

main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.

the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy

, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

Lets look at the post again

332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.

Venmar is flipping scum.

also like i don't even understand this post? alisae is literally just discrediting and handwaving everything i said with ":scumposting:", and then on the last point if anyone interprets "332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad" as a contradiction to the bolded i will fucking eat a shoe. i think the context clearly dictates it as alisae dismissing 332 as townie rather than alisae asking me a question, and that's how interpreted that and continue to do so.

i do think that alisae's stance on me went from wanting to talk to me/pairing with me to vehemently attacking me which is an interesting character arc. i will also point out that it makes perfect sense for scum-alisae, who has already once bragged about kokichi flipping town, to button down and hard-push and attack me for attacking kokichi if scum-alisae knows that kokichi is flipping town. it makes me look bad once kokichi flips town and alisae can coast on that fact alone. townreading/defending kokichi wasn't exactly THE MOST common sentiment as far as my minimum-reading memory serves me, and alisae was the only one that felt the need to openly attack me over it. in my eyes it definitely reeks of a scum agenda

Because the post was a trap.
I COULD have refuted all of your points easily.
But I wanted to prove the following point:

YOU'RE NOT PUSHING THIS READ TO BE RIGHT. YOU'RE PUSHING THIS READ TO WIN A DEBATE.

And this is what this posts proves.
That your read is just, not natural on me.

You have taken the majority of my posting and turned them all into scumposts.
The reality of mafia is: not every post is a scum post.
(well, except yours )

The point of that specific post was layed out for you to attack it.
I wanted to see how you would attack it.
And you reacted EXACTLY the way I thought you would react if you were scum:
To attack it and continue pushing.

I'm actually going to refute these points now you stated in that post, because its really scummy.
Like for example, the first part

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

indicates that you're litterally just finding a way to attack my post.
The second part

so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine,

just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable.

actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

The bolded for the most part, attempts to find a way to unnaturally make my actions look scummy.
The third bit

main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on. the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

The problem with this is you're attacking what I'm not doing. Instead of addressing my concerns, you're going out of you're way to say "I didn't do this, therefore I am scum." I feel like this proves you're trying to win an arguement not lynch scum.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Lynch Venmar.
I think I proved my point, so I am going to do this.

I'm taking Joey into my basement- I mean I'm leaving the dance.

Because at this point, my townflip is litterally Venmar's lynch.

Note: I would NOT be doing this if I townread Joey.
I actually in fact, scumread him. I kinda just feel like Joey's approach to this game is coming from scum.

Regardless of if Joey flips scum, I feel like Maki v Gamma just based off of this page is a TvS. and I feel like There is one scum in the Fire Shiro pairing.

Shiro for the most part, I don't think he would actually read the game if he was town.
When I was hydraing with Shiro on Crows, he believed that reading 140 something pages was something that was "town as duck" to put it in his words.
He also ellabroated that he wouldn't read the game as town. I feel like him making an attempt to read the game is probably coming from scum.

Fire I honestly think has just been openwolfing the whole game.

But yeah, may god help me if I am terribly wrong.
PCE YO

ALSO IF YOU DON'T KILL VENMAR I AM DOING THIS FOR NO REASON PLEASE KILL HIM.

But yeah this

[Alisae]

ALI IS BEEBOY TOWN

I DON'T THINK HE TOPPOSTS AS SCUM I FEEL LIKE HE GETS APATHEDIC AND LURKS AS SCUM

[Alisae]

Legit Ali if you left before Joey had a chance to post this phase on some stupid glory read you're going to lose all the respect you'd worked up since newbie 1764

Lol gamma thinking I care about his respect

[Alisae]

WHAT IF HE PLANNED ON MEMEING BEFORE GAME IS THIS STILL TRUE

Besides that, I feel like he is thinking about the game. And yeah other than that I didn't read any of his posts.

[Alisae]

I'M SORRY FOR THROWING

[Alisae]

Extremely poor performance by me, thanks for the carry town

Sorry for tunneling you...

[Alisae]

page 5 reads are GOAT

[Alisae]

page 5 reads are GOAT

yeah almost enough to suicide over right

I wonder who coulda done that