Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Dunnstral]

Now that I'm happily to be bedded and wedded, I think the setup has to be either 1 girl scum 2 male scum, right? Because we have a lot more control over flipping girls during pre-dance.

It's fully random

[Dunnstral]

@Maki pair with me

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@Maki pair with me

What if I don't wanna B)

Why should I theorize about theoreticals that won't/don't happen

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Cuz you never know what's going on behind the scenes in the pairs.

Town can force strategies though.
Like forcing people to pair up to kill them.
Making it so clear you want to kill someone there is no way they pair up with one of there town reads.
ect.
ect.

This game has been run like 6+ times and I don't think this has ever happened

[Dunnstral]

I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.

Why is that suspicious/scummy, though?

[Dunnstral]

What do you think optimal play here is?

Keep in mind I just want to make my own pair rather than being forced into one regardless, and most people here probably feel the same way

[Dunnstral]

∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ Sir Dunnstral, I-I didn't want to be at this dance in the first place but. You're not the worst person to be around. So aslong as I'm here Will you dance with me? ~Maki Harukawa ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾

I accept

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∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ Sir Dunnstral, I-I didn't want to be at this dance in the first place but. You're not the worst person to be around. So aslong as I'm here Will you dance with me? ~Maki Harukawa You spelled my name incorrectly, i accept bae <3 ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾

back up

[Dunnstral]

Ima 100% intermission kill the fuck out of dun and maki cuz if i cant have the grill no one can #alpha

Like, the scum kill?

[Dunnstral]

haven't read anything yet so i'll do that and comment in a few hours

predance should focus on getting the most all town pairings as possible

one thing i think we should agree to do is NOT USE THE SUICIDE MECHANIC. all town pairs getting paranoid and suiciding is why i think scum win these setups so frequently. once we start dancing i think it's best if lynching is the only way ppl die

From my experience playing in this setup, you should try to lead the town

I've seen ic's purposely not contribute because they don't want to be nightkilled, or they don't want to influence people's decisions, it's better to just town lead while you're alive

[Dunnstral]

sheepsaysmeep is like the only one I want to dance with atm tbh.

Are you telling me you didn't come here to pair with alisae

[Dunnstral]

Pick me, pick others, make 8 pairs. Job done. THEN we can talk.

There's stuff to talk about before pairs are picked, though.

We're essentially lynching someone in this pre-game, whoever doesn't get a pair is dead/lynched from the gentlemen side

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I agree we can cut down on banter, though.

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I agree we can cut down on banter, though.

Its ez to say when you already got ur lay dude

? I'm still here trying to make sense of the game, I just think we should stay more focused on the game and strategy going forward

Like I'm still playing this game

[Dunnstral]

Joey_
Kokichi Oma
Harambey180
Venmar

This is a list of gentlemen that are currently unpaired (assuming fire pairs with shiro regardless, and antihero never gets left behind)

One of these people are going to have to die at the end of this phase.

Until the end of this phase, these are the people we should be focusing on. There's no rush to end the current phase.

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If it makes you feel better I am very confused on why your SR!!

I guess I'm just super passionate because this is by far my fav game mode and I love these fg games so when I see someone go like "maki scum" I'm like NO. STOP NO I AM NOT STOP STOP and I get grr and blah and ye.

I'm going to work with you

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For some reason I left beeboy out of my list of unpaired gentlemen, he's in there too:

Joey_
Kokichi Oma
Harambey180
Venmar
beeboy

This is a list of gentlemen that are currently unpaired (assuming fire pairs with shiro regardless, and antihero never gets left behind)

One of these people are going to have to die at the end of this phase.

Until the end of this phase, these are the people we should be focusing on. There's no rush to end the current phase.

I suspect he will be paired anyway, though. This is still relevant, by the way

And yeah I agree we cut down on the spam type posts, at the same time it's not really cool to suddenly get hostile at someone

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Dunn can be light scum lean for the weird reaction to Joey's claim of the scumkill in 140/143.

Seems oddly narrow that this is the only thing you looked at in my iso and it has you ignoring maki and deciding on a final scum team

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Hey reck, why did you ask Antihero to the dance?

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I think Kokichi is town.

Don't rush into these final pairings, can somebody explain how kokichi is "forced"

and ali/maki can you please not do this already

[Dunnstral]

I was dumb to force replace you in my game for calling your own play suboptimal

...

[Dunnstral]

kinda wondering why dunn's on there

I mean I'm wondering why you completely ignored me talking to you earlier but whatever

[Dunnstral]

you wanted me to say something to this?.....

haven't read anything yet so i'll do that and comment in a few hours

predance should focus on getting the most all town pairings as possible

one thing i think we should agree to do is NOT USE THE SUICIDE MECHANIC. all town pairs getting paranoid and suiciding is why i think scum win these setups so frequently. once we start dancing i think it's best if lynching is the only way ppl die

From my experience playing in this setup, you should try to lead the town

I've seen ic's purposely not contribute because they don't want to be nightkilled, or they don't want to influence people's decisions, it's better to just town lead while you're alive

Do you disagree with what I'm saying here?

[Dunnstral]

How do you mechanically end this phase without everyone being paired up? Why are people talking like it's an option?

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How do you mechanically end this phase without everyone being paired up? Why are people talking like it's an option?

I mean the last game happened this way

Last game had a countdown I believe

This game doesn't so it shouldn't be possible to leave out more than 1 person in this phase

[Dunnstral]

I don't even understand how you can say this because I know when I am controlling and I'm not trying to CONTROL ANYTHING that's not even in my nature I hate "controlling" anything

Its very simple. I look at posts like these.
And these
And This too
And go
"Yep, Maki is controlling the game."

Of course I wouldn't push that the IC pair not dying or dying is a giant wifom fest anyone who's played this should know that if you were with anti and didn't die that's a stupid angle to push in fact I'd prob perk a brow at anyone trying to push that angle I think your paranoia on people just pushing that is strange what victim card am I playing because trust me

I am no victim.

I mean
with posts like this and also this, you make it sound like that is an angle you're going to go for.

This is stinky

[Dunnstral]

Anti
Beeboy
Kokichi
Harambey

Sheep
Kagami
Gamma

[Dunnstral]

I had this super awesome mega tin foil where Maki / Alisae was TvT and that Dunnstral was actually scum trying to defuse the 1v1 and later subtly siding with Maki.
Tbh I don't even share most my tin foils with my hydra partners because I think they are mostly stupid.

Why am I posting my tin foil now to look stupid? I am not really sure.

But with your theory it can be TvT and I can be town trying to defuse the situation - there's nothing there that really paints me as scum
My pairing is getting tunneled for hundreds of posts here, how do you expect me to react to that

[Dunnstral]

I wish one of us were a gentlemen so we could've partnered up

no

[Dunnstral]

I had this super awesome mega tin foil where Maki / Alisae was TvT and that Dunnstral was actually scum trying to defuse the 1v1 and later subtly siding with Maki.
Tbh I don't even share most my tin foils with my hydra partners because I think they are mostly stupid.

Why am I posting my tin foil now to look stupid? I am not really sure.

But with your theory it can be TvT and I can be town trying to defuse the situation - there's nothing there that really paints me as scum
My pairing is getting tunneled for hundreds of posts here, how do you expect me to react to that

Do you even tr me? If so why?

I'll figure it out

Tinfoiling about me before the game starts isn't going to be productive - we're getting our very own pt to sort each other in, I'd prefer to wait for lynch phase and talk to you

I'm not scumreading you right now at least, though I've seen a fair number of sr's on you

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Dunn give me ur reads or I kill that which u love most

Venmar is my scumread
Alisae is leaning scum for me too, though they're also pushing Venmar

No read:
sheep
Firebringer
Kagami
Joey_
Harambey180

Townyish lean in no particular order:
Kokichi
Maki
Chess
Elli
Gamma
beeboy

honorary scummy:
Shiro

[Dunnstral]

What town things has Shittereth done this game?

I have him as slightly above null rather than saying he's town

Ur tr on maki is misplaced
And u having shiro as honorary scum is a disgrace.

How can I help u sort me faster

I don't know, I see your posts and I see both trolling and actual thoughts on the game

I'll think about it, I don't feel like I need to really rush to get a read out on you

Ur tr on maki is misplaced

He has a townread on Maki every game, even when she's scum. From what I've seen.

What is this supposed to mean...?

I've pushed maki before when I've thought she was scum

[Dunnstral]

also im a productive member of society so im going to work now. i will see you guys in the 40 pages i know y'all will spawn in the next 5 hours. ladies please answer my question

answer = 19 pages

reading

I have a question, how did you see Reck's proposal to you in post 671 with your response being in post 737?

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It's not supposed to mean anything, just from the games I've been in. I haven't seen you scumread her is all.

I mean she was town in most of those, right?

There was 1 game where she had a post restriction and a cult and a fake innocent child but there was a lot going on there

I guess I'm defending myself from the notion that I just tr her every game because I'm her friend

[Dunnstral]

I know which game you're talking about, that's fair

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But take Anti or Kokichi then if you prefer those two. You are scum certified when you do that though so be warned. When I am YET AGAIN the first to die I'm gonna make sure you'll pay for it.

Who do you think is more likely to be scum between the two?

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Head to head
Kokichi
Harambey

Who do you guys take?

Neither is particularly appealing but I'd take Kokichi first

Also (unless I misread) Gamma and Kagami are the only two ladies left.

Well Gamma screw you with this post... :giggle:
If it's any of the two I'm going with Kagami right now.

I'm sorry but it's not all you, it's that a lot of people aren't big fans of you and it would serve the game for you to be removed from it regardless of your alignment imo

I don't think anybody said this, by the way, and I'm not really sure what you're talking about (how would it serve the game to remove him if he's town)

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Head to head
Kokichi
Harambey

Who do you guys take?

Neither is particularly appealing but I'd take Kokichi first

Also (unless I misread) Gamma and Kagami are the only two ladies left.

Well Gamma screw you with this post... :giggle:
If it's any of the two I'm going with Kagami right now.

I'm sorry but it's not all you, it's that a lot of people aren't big fans of you and it would serve the game for you to be removed from it regardless of your alignment imo

What changed Gamma?

[Dunnstral]

Scum use there factional with less info?

What if they just kill the ic pairing

[Dunnstral]

A better strategy is to not try to read Kagami before intermission

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guys im town between sheeping reck and getting my shit together and taking a hard re-analysis of the game

what should i do?

Hard re-analysis

Consider that your partner may be scum. Look at their read/progression on me in specific and see if it adds up

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Maki

Because of me or Maki?

freudian slip kappa keepo

I don't get it

[Dunnstral]

I'm positive that Gamma doesn't fake his rage/physical convulsions

On that note consider taking a step back from the game or something?

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Consider that your partner may be scum. Look at their read/progression on me in specific and see if it adds up

please elaborate

I'm saying his read on me is based on one post back around 100 "pinging him". He hasn't progressed his read since then, or even indicated that he's reading my posts. His read is getting real stale.

I'm saying I don't think he is town

[Dunnstral]

I'm positive that Gamma doesn't fake his rage/physical convulsions

Scum partners

Really?

[Dunnstral]

So trying to read sheep I think he spams a lot more as scum then he does as town.

Like has anyone ever seen Sheep not top post as scum?

I don't get if you're calling him town or scum, he has 100 posts

[Dunnstral]

Don't really want to kill Fire before Shiro actually gets the chance to do anything.

Noted

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I'm saying his read on me is based on one post back around 100 "pinging him". He hasn't progressed his read since then, or even indicated that he's reading my posts. His read is getting real stale.

my opinion of reck aside,

im not really seeing anything wrong with his read progression on you. old reads =/= scummy. i would see a problem with it maybe if he was still pushing a stale read on you, but he isn't doing that.

OK, he's doing it now. What do you think?

Why are you sure he's town?

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reck's read on you has clearly evolved from being based off of some posts in the first 5 pages, please stop being dense.

I mean I don't see it and it kind of feels like you're just hard defending him

[Dunnstral]

Pedit: @dunn are you even reading my posts? i literally just criticised reck a couple posts up

I saw that but you prefaced it by saying you believed he was town

[Dunnstral]

But take Anti or Kokichi then if you prefer those two. You are scum certified when you do that though so be warned. When I am YET AGAIN the first to die I'm gonna make sure you'll pay for it.

Who do you think is more likely to be scum between the two?

Lmao, Anti the

already announced Town

of course.
Also reads come when I come home, which is in approx. 6 hours.

harambe cut the semantics crap w chesskid. he's right that the AtE is why you didn't get left out and after that performance i'm eagerly awaiting the delivery on reads too

any other scumreads besides chesskid?

In case chess is scum, scumpartner has been found. I already explained my thought process on chess. As how he seems to pick the side of chess, in this subtle way it should be obvious. Won't explain or go into more detail cuz by doing just that on chesskid, I already did.

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VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

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pedit: didn't know you were dumb as well

this applies to any of my scum leans actually, especially if it's dunn, the person who is "town by play"

?

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VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

[Dunnstral]

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often :shifty:

We "jump on wagons so often"?
Ok, prove it. Show us what you are talking about.

[Dunnstral]

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Show where me and maki do this.

[Dunnstral]

Were you busy distancing but you dont want to lay down a real vote?

?

[Dunnstral]

In 40 minutes I'll point out everything wrong with what Harambe is saying here. He has unt il then to back up his words or step down

[Dunnstral]

did harambe just try to call antihero my scumbuddy?

it would appear so...

i desperately want to just call him loltown and not try to parse if he's doing this on purpose

You should
Scum have 24/7 chat so he should have been aware of you bring conftown at this point if he were scum

No It's more than that, he already called anti confirmed town when I questioned him

Also, your partner is scum and I'll show you why

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And hold on beeboy

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VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

Considering that in the past, your partner Maki also jumped on the Fireshiro wagon, I will
VOTE: Makistral

But you guys are not magisterial.

Starting right from the beginning, before getting into the crux of the issue, I have a problem with this. Namely, this only really makes sense if thinking both fire-shiro and venmar-reck are fully town. But Harambe has not given reads on either of those pairs and still doesn't after being prompted by beeboy shortly after.
There's another problem with this, he seems to be combining something Maki did with something I did and combining it into something singularly scummy that we both did, and this viewpoint doesn't really hold up in this game format. I'll go into this more.

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general

I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

:shifty:

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

I made the problem points here big and bold.
Let's dissect this one step at a time.

First, we'll look at Maki's voting history:

VOTE: fireshiro

for now

Ok, this is the first vote on the wagon at this point in time so not what we're talking about

gamma's being so fake it HURTS

Tell me why I shouldn't deathtunnel you
VOTE: Maki

VOTE: Gamma
ooo so scared!

First vote on the wagon again. Out of bounds for the notion of "maki jumps on formed wagons to get a lynch"

Also like part of me doesn't want to vote gamma cause I'd feel like the biggest fucking ass if my read was incorrect and Gamma really was THAT upset over it. It just felt out of the blue to me
UNVOTE:
I want to rethink

An unvote for completeness sake

VOTE: Fire

okay dunn and me agreed on this...for the most part

This is the only time Maki could be considered to be jumping on a wagon. She is the third vote here out of eight needed to form a lynch, however her vote doesn't appear to have any relation to the previous votes

Regardless, examing Maki's voting history I fail to see the "jumping on wagons so often" or "try to get every chance to lynch another pair.

So with that done, let's look at my voting history next:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Wait a second,

this is the only time I've voted this game

...

So when Harambe says:

In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often

It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

What does he mean? How does it spot out to him that I take every chance I can to lynch another pair if that was my first vote of the game? He's lying and there's no way around that. No benefit of the doubt to be had.

For that matter, what's up with this:

Like what are you trying to say Harambe

It's 8 to lynch

IDC how many ppl it is for a lynch. It just spot out to me that you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.
Also others have told me here that scum are usually the early voters on a wagon. About halfway through usually. That's where you two guys are always in. At least one of you two is likely scumme

There hasn't been a wagon to have gone over halfway yet, how is it scummy that we're "always in the first half of the wagon"
There's a lot more people to chase after if he truly believes this.

And once again: does any of this hold up to him if fireshiro/venmarreck has scum in it? Why isn't he even considering the possibility?

Later:

VOTE: Venmar/Reck

What sells it for me is the feeling that the scum in the pair wouldbe deflecting off of the town in their pair

Well that was quick after chess' vote.

And?

Refresh yourself on my stances on the slots

Right when chess votes, you vote too. Right after. That just has a vibe, which is why I'm asking.
In general I'm wondering why you and Maki jump on wagons so often :shifty:

We "jump on wagons so often"?
Ok, prove it. Show us what you are talking about.

you two try to get every chance you can to lynch another pair.

Show where me and maki do this.

I point it out, twice, I give him a third chance actually to show his work or back down

[Dunnstral]

And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

[Dunnstral]

I can’t really read Kagami either but I figure those two die regardless anyways

Maybe talking about this is a negative EV thing to do.

I already said not to discuss Kagami today, yeah.

[Dunnstral]

I'm a perfectionist

This is relevant to my post.

[Dunnstral]

Venmar reaction is noted along with Harambe voting me as soon as I vote his pair

You have time to read all the other spam but not my case here?

[Dunnstral]

I'll get you your reads, just give me time, I came back and wrote all that because I had it in my mind and I wasn't available earlier, this is an explanation of my read right now

The short of it is I want to lynch:

Harambe
Venmar/Reck
Fire/Shiro
probably in that order, might even reconsider before fire/shiro

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral stop townreading maki

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

I feel like I have a better grasp of her than you would

I also kind of doubt that you've put all too much effort into this game?

I'm not sure why you think your read on maki supersedes mine or why it's a good idea to keep pushing this

[Dunnstral]

And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

Can only respond to this with that I admit to having said the most stupid things possible and that it's thanks to my attention level in this game which does not exist.
I already said it before Kokichi was lynched, and before that, that anything I say regarding reads and stuff is most likely inaccurate. You can ISO me if you want to and you can see that I indeed said it long time ago that I predicted to say dumb and inaccurate stuff.

The only way I could still possibly be scum now, is if it was actually my plan to be dumb and inaccurate the entire game. Though look how suspicious it has made me and the things I said. This would be worst scum tactic in a long time, I'm not scum.
There you go. You got it out of me. Even though it should be obvious that everyone tries to sound like Town.

No no no

You say you spotted Maki and I jumping on wagons to get a lynch

That's not being inaccurate. That's lying. And you're still voting us when your basis for doing so was debunked

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral stop townreading maki

Maki is like queen of getting townread as scum
U guys are irrritating

I feel like I have a better grasp of her than you would

I also kind of doubt that you've put all too much effort into this game?

I'm not sure why you think your read on maki supersedes mine or why it's a good idea to keep pushing this

do you guys have a history of reading each other correctly when tvs
i know she fucked up in ita

In dance games I feel I get really good reads on her

I'll get pts

[Dunnstral]

And eli can you look at 1901 and harambe's following response

[Dunnstral]

I'll get pts

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=69404
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=72788

We're both town in both of these and I like to believe I correctly read her both times

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Here elli:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69472

I'm scum in this one, maki is town, but we don't share a pt. Maki also leaves during first dance

Bonus points if you look at how many posts I have in that game and in my pt that game and then compare it to this one and the other dance games

The pt may interest you as well for other reasons, but I don't think it's anything to talk about right now

[Dunnstral]

But seriously, look at how many times I posted in that game.

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DUDE
If you think I'm gonna accept this case you're actually stupid.

ok, let's go over it, what's wrong with it?

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DUDE
If you think I'm gonna accept this case you're actually stupid.

ok, let's go over it, what's wrong with it?

I feel like it's something I could see as town. He perceives a cooperation between you two, and he just misanalysed it as you following them

Hold on a second, this doesn't explain why he ignored me when I asked him to show what he was talking about, which led me to making that post in the first place.

Also, here was his response to that post:

And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

Can only respond to this with that I admit to having said the most stupid things possible and that it's thanks to my attention level in this game which does not exist.
I already said it before Kokichi was lynched, and before that, that anything I say regarding reads and stuff is most likely inaccurate. You can ISO me if you want to and you can see that I indeed said it long time ago that I predicted to say dumb and inaccurate stuff.

The only way I could still possibly be scum now, is if it was actually my plan to be dumb and inaccurate the entire game. Though look how suspicious it has made me and the things I said. This would be worst scum tactic in a long time, I'm not scum.
There you go. You got it out of me. Even though it should be obvious that everyone tries to sound like Town.

Harambe never says he "perceives a cooperation" between us? I'm still trying to parse what he's really saying here though

[Dunnstral]

I'm wondering what your objection here is Gamma

The part where I think he is scum because of the post, right? But you agree that he is wrong in his assertions there?

[Dunnstral]

Fire, what are your other reads?

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Quite remarkable that Shiro has a lot of suspicion on me while none on anyone else.

Quite remarkable that Harambey has a lot of suspicion on me and none on anybody else

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And Harambe, if you object to any of this, you need to do the work and go back and actually reference what you were talking about when you said me and maki were both taking every chance we could to jump on wagons.

Can only respond to this with that I admit to having said the most stupid things possible and that it's thanks to my attention level in this game which does not exist.
I already said it before Kokichi was lynched, and before that, that anything I say regarding reads and stuff is most likely inaccurate. You can ISO me if you want to and you can see that I indeed said it long time ago that I predicted to say dumb and inaccurate stuff.

The only way I could still possibly be scum now, is if it was actually my plan to be dumb and inaccurate the entire game. Though look how suspicious it has made me and the things I said. This would be worst scum tactic in a long time, I'm not scum.
There you go. You got it out of me. Even though it should be obvious that everyone tries to sound like Town.

1. Why are you still voting us?

2. With this in mind, why aren't you now looking at other people for scum

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Okay so here are some thoughts about the pairs:

chess + elli: They paired so early on, elli's first post literally was asking chess and chess's second post was accepting it. chess mostly short posts and doesn't bring too much into the game apart from the obvious. Same with elli. They are doing the same thing so it's definitely not T+S. S+S seems too odd, thus T+T.
Dunn + Maki: Looking at how awesome Dunn owned me a while ago, I'm leaving him as Town for now. Maki I'm less sure abt, but I'm not convinced enough to think she's scum. T+T here too.
Fire + Shiro: Shiro seems to have been focusing too much on me even long time after others had done that for him. Anti votes fireshiro, I'm told to sheep anti. Quick peak at ISO's from both these players, it seems decent. I'd say the chances of at least one of these two being scum is pretty big, big enough to vote? Shiro more scum for me, but Fire also kind of 'non-Town'.
Venmar + Reckoner: Reckoner made some good n strong posts. Venmar has kind of been a cool dude for the most part of the game it seems. If any of these two is scum I'd go with Venmar... good to consider but Fireshiro still first.
beeboy + ActionDan: beeboy hasn't contributed too much. Dan replaced sheep but I'm not gonna look at sheep's posts. Dan hasn't said a word tho. I am not too sure of beeboy, and as Dan hasn't posted yet, I'm going with 'great chance that one of these two is scum'.
Anti + Kagami: Well Anti of course is confscum. That was a joke. Kagami is confscum. That's not really a joke. Kagami has been a low-poster all game long. Also I'm sheeping Anti even more than Anti's partner; Kagami is still voting for Makistral. Some ppl (can't remember who again, I'm stupid) said that was a bad vote. I'd say this is conftown+scum. Though we shouldn't vote them for that cuz Anti's conftown and we're not even that sure about Kagami.

General opinion on my partner is that he's not really too Townie and not really too scummy.

Anyways this is the order in which I'd vote the pairs right now:
Fire+Shiro -> beeboy+Dan -> Venmar+Reck -> chess+Elli -> Dunn+Maki -> Anti+Kagami because Anti is the only other confTown I have in this game. Not gonna take that risk of maybe bringing scum!Kagami down too when I'm not that sure.

At least I tried a bit I guess... is this what you guys were looking for from me? :shifty:

ok Harambe this is good stuff

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serious qustion here for everyone but reck: how many of you are actually familiar with my town/scum meta

Not familiar

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ya I am patient
Dan could still just be trying to dodge the mafia NK

He doesn't have a reason not to tell you if he's doing this though

With that said, don't bomb, at least don't right now during phase 1

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You might wonder why I also point out the difference of posts between the two players in each pair. Why do I do that? Well, if there is a scum in a pair, then most likely it is either the one with the more posts of the pair

So if there's scum in a pair, it's either the one who posted more, or the one who posted less. Got it

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- because scum wants to have their word to say and won't let the Townie say the most - or it is the less posting player but isn't far behind on posts.

rest of the quote

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VOTE: venreck

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What's your opinion on kagami, anti?

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I'm actually really sure Maki is town, to give context with my push on harambe Maki and I started talking about our read in the pt and she was talking to me about harambe, I was talking to her about gamma, and together we were generally leaning that the pair was town-town (I was made to see harambey was being silly and not being scum)

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we BOTH feel that mining harambe's wagon for scum is the best play because there's a HUGE chance scum were pushing the easy pairing

So you think the easy pairing is gamme/harambe, but not you/venmar?

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You had a larger wagon than gamma/harambe ever did, if I recall

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And how does that reconcile with this?

This harambey v fb/shiro thing should probably just be resolved by one pair leaving the dance

P.edit: you have the power to just flip your pair harambey not I think you're town so only do it if you think your partner is scum

VOTE: Gammambey

I already considered myself to be out a long time ago and based on your ridiculous posts I wish I had left back then.

Guys just lynch me now so it will become obvious that fireshiro should get lynched next, ty. Do me a favor. No AtE here just fkin lynch me. And otherwise I'll just leave cuz I still got a decent scumread on Gamma anyways but it's better if you just lynched me, ty. That'd finally be something that Town does good in this game.

why vote yourself

This is just posturing

I thought you were town but if you really wanted to be lynched you would just leave instead of doing these dramatics

How come this isn't considered?

Rather, can you go ah ead and list who you think is suspicious on the Harambey wagon?

Actually, can you just point to the Harambey wagon and tell us who was on it as a starting point?

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Dead

Joey_ - Alisae
Harambey180 - Gamma Emerald
chesskid3 - Ellibereth

Alive

Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa
Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

I think Maki is town

What do you think of me

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Fire btw what happened to your read on maki

Gamma/Harambey flip changed it?

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Has Dunn done anything outside town read Maki?

I have actually

It's in-thread too

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I was neutral on her in pre-dance

I think since then I've felt pretty good about her being town

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I FUCKING TOLD YOU DUNN
I TOLD YOUUUUUUU

ugh I don't like this post.
You had like 48 hours to do this in your hood
It makes me feel kinda iffy?

But I've read scum motivation in like every single post thus far not going to lie.

pedit: STOP POSTING MY REAL THOUGHTS IRONICALLY

oh I did it in the pt
but I'm also doing it here to rub it in all your faces

....whose....?

most ppl were townreading that pair

Fire pair and Reck were both goading them into suiciding

the implication here is that they were not townreading them.

I don't believe kagami has expressed an opinion on the pair

Not everybody was townreading them

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This setup feels uphill af.

That's because we still haven't been able to flip these universal scumread slots

We need to do more than rely on suicides.

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i read harambey as town

And how does that reconcile with this?

This harambey v fb/shiro thing should probably just be resolved by one pair leaving the dance

P.edit: you have the power to just flip your pair harambey not I think you're town so only do it if you think your partner is scum

VOTE: Gammambey

I already considered myself to be out a long time ago and based on your ridiculous posts I wish I had left back then.

Guys just lynch me now so it will become obvious that fireshiro should get lynched next, ty. Do me a favor. No AtE here just fkin lynch me. And otherwise I'll just leave cuz I still got a decent scumread on Gamma anyways but it's better if you just lynched me, ty. That'd finally be something that Town does good in this game.

why vote yourself

This is just posturing

I thought you were town but if you really wanted to be lynched you would just leave instead of doing these dramatics

How come this isn't considered?

Rather, can you go ah ead and list who you think is suspicious on the Harambey wagon?

Actually, can you just point to the Harambey wagon and tell us who was on it as a starting point?

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Beeboy ur dumb town and u got my blood boiling

The Maki/Dunn pair self presing all game kinda bugs me?
I am guessing you think the pair is T/T but I am getting scared

I don't think she's mafia, I think it's more likely to be kagami or even actiondan

like it's actually likely that both of our pairs are town town here and the other 3 have scum

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dunn/shiro/{dan/beeboy}

let's wrap this up please

What about what you said earlier?

honestly yeah also kagami not dying in the conftown pair is ????

this kill was almost certainly setup to paint me/ven poorly

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dunn is certainly scum here and that's why he's split with maki over who to push
maki townreads him and he cant jeopardize that bc maki would leave the dance and squish him
he wants to push a t/t pair in me/ven, while maki is trying to push his buddies over in shiro/fire

But I'd vote fire/shiro, too.

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Maki just said it.

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Beeboy, what is your opinion on reck/venmar right now?

Do you still think I'm town?

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Shiro, do you feel like pointing out AtE and then threatening to leave the dance is contradictory?

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Dunnstral I really want to trust you here but like Maki's approach towards me just feels dirty.
I don't think she is being conscious of my read on her and I think the odds anyone can pocket a friend in a 1 on 1 situation is really high.

Like I am really sorry if I am wrong but idk.

I guess I'll talk to her? But it will have to be later tonight and tomorrow probably

Like understand I'm not just giving her a free ride because she's my friend, I really do think she is town here

Also, I really think there's scum in reck/venmar

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By this I am saying is she doesn't care if I scum read her or not but cares a fuck ton if you do as her partner.

I know

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just going to point out that dunnstral nukes harambe with a case in #1901, reasserts that harambe is his #1 choice for lynch in 1918, DOES NOT SWITCH HIS VOTE TO HARAMBE TO REFLECT THESE READS??????? (instead parks his vote on me and reck, a thrifty choice indeed), and then has the NERVE to say he ended up thinking that harambe/gamma were a town/town pair in:

I'm actually really sure Maki is town, to give context with my push on harambe Maki and I started talking about our read in the pt and she was talking to me about harambe, I was talking to her about gamma, and together we were generally leaning that the pair was town-town (I was made to see harambey was being silly and not being scum)

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

101 bullshittery

dunnstral has literally been hiding the entire game behind his pt to mask his reads and thought process and i'm just over it

First of all, Harambey seemed to agree with me on my own case againt him, or at least thought it was town. Like, I was right. I called him out on a fake read.

I have the nerve to... what? Maki backed up that I thought that in the pt, right? I don't see the problem here, I wasn't even involved in harambey leaving and I had no opportunity at all to get him to not leave or anything.

Can you show me where else I "hide behind the pt to mask my read and thought process" because I haven't?

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bee:

- I told her not to talk about Kagami pre-dance. I told this to you guys as well.
- I talked about my read on you to her
- Her reads aren't stagnant and I've talked to you about the gamma/harambey thing

And it's hard to sympathize with you when you're pushing my slot for death while also going on about how venmar/reck is town and how you might leave the dance if we're both town
Like, look at post 2777?

I actually think us leaving -> you leaving has a high chance of a town loss, no thanks, if you think maki is scum and always with fire, you should just be trying to lynch them? And if, for instance, Shiro is scum but not fire, you won't think Maki is scum?

Like your Maki read has some conditionals on who else has to be scum with her so you should be looking there first?
I don't want to be the next pair voted out in any case, I think some of the stuff you have posted is wrong and I'm concerned about how you're reading the game otherwise

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Didn't you say earlier that you thought maki needed to set up a 1v1 with your pair to be lynched eventually? But then you later think actiondan could be scum with maki, does this all still make sense

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venmar and reck are both pushing me like I'm scum on the harambey wagon while I never voted him and reck goaded him to suicide

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I like giving my friends a chance :(

unvote us?

I told you that some of the stuff you'r epinning on maki is stuff I was telling her in the pt?

Who is maki scum with? Kagami called vernar scum then voted US

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VOTE: maki

if that wasn't hammer someone do it

What are you doing?