Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Alisae]

Okay
I am going to case Maki now and then read up because Maki should NOT be this globally TR'd she's scum scum scum.

Let's start with her approach to the mechanic over all.
Here she seems extremely adamant about wanting me to pair up with Anti because she thinks I'm scum and that's benefical for the town, right?
Well, this wasn't ever a concern for Maki for the other dance games. In fact, Maki didn't try to force pairings at all.
Keep in mind when I'm going over these games, she's on the account MariaR.
Dance Game 1 (The dance game I was scum in) - Here is a game where she really wasn't trying to enforce any pairings at all. Her only real arguements here with Hebi was about questioning her biases and her LLD read. Nothing that is trying to pair up people with certain people.
Dance Game 2 (this game I wasn't involved in - You can see the same thing here again. HOWEVER here she DOES make a comment about people attempting to pair with Nat here. Note here she's not really trying to force scum to pair with anyone, just saying that its bad for scum to pair up with the IC.

Now, let's compare that to this game, where Maki is actively trying to control pairings whereas in other games, this wasn't a concern of hers.
I feel like Maki wants as much control over pairings as possible so she can have control over the game.
I think I explained this, but for the most part, I think Maki was planning on shooting not the IC pairing to try to attempt to WIFOM a lynch on the IC pairing and myself.
481 is a scumclaim for all intensive purposes because here Maki is attempting to push something that is extremely justified and easy to push. It allows her own reasoning to look good without attempting on looking right. So when I flip town, she can just use that justification as a scapegoat and continue to lynch town.

Now, let's talk about her play here.
150 and 202 is where my initial scumread started. Mostly because this feels extremely pocketty in just her phrasing.
210 and 221 is important, mostly for progression purposes.
372 Maki comes out with this scumread on me. Now, why does this not make sense? Well, mostly because they said in 202 that I can play this way as either alignment. Granted, they're not wrong, this IS something I am do a lot, HOWEVER
410 is COMPLETELY false and in fact, its not the same approach at all. Keep in mind, Claire is comparing DRv3 Upick that she modded to this game. This isn't what I call aggro control. Aggro control is when I have complete control. I am trying to give control to Anti. And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Keep in mind, Claire is comparing my play currently, to a play where I railroad lynch after lynch after lynch.

This isn't a fight she can win, and she knows this based on how she's posting. So if anything, she wants to try to avoid the fight with me and let the read sit so she doesn't have to expose herself while pushing it.
She doesn't want to fight me because that involves her getting her own hands dirty.

[Antihero]

i mean at least that way we still have a conftown on the board and can piece it out from there as opposed to just losing conftown

elli/chess are good but they're way overconfident that their presence is more powerful than a literal mod confirmed town

individually my life rly isn't worth more than any other townie

it's not individual townies that matter, it's all-town PAIRS. i'm thinking pairing me w someone null or scummy makes my conftown a wash

am i wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

Maki is only this townie when she is scum

*glances at sig*

might wana try your main here

[chesskid3]

U should pair with someone you think is town and you can gamesolve with

[beeboy]

I don't really think there is any female who I currently want to get stuck in a wifom situation with if scum decide to leave them alive.
The Kagami global town read I actually just don't understand.
Gamma hasn't done anything that I can read.
I think I have the best bet cooperating with Sheep so I don't want Anti to steal him away from me.

That leaves Rek.

What do you mean "I haven't don'e anything you

can

read"? What

can

you read in that case?

Stuff I arbitrarily decided one day indicated someone is scum/town are posts I can read.
Stuff like "I am town" or "I am scum" are pretty helpful imo if you wanted to give me a helping hand.

[Firebringer]

I agree Alisae.
Maki is scum and I want to buss her

Join me on this crazy train

[beeboy]

Ali with the deep bus.

[Antihero]

ALI

glad you're here

i will read your case on maki later. task at hand rn is leaving someone out. who do you think it should be?

[beeboy]

{Ali, Firebringer, Maki}
Scum theater because you want to bus in a nightless game.

GAME SOLVED I DID IT

[Alisae]

ALI

glad you're here

i will read your case on maki later. task at hand rn is leaving someone out. who do you think it should be?

Venmar if that's an option. I hate his kokichi read imo.

[Firebringer]

{Ali, Firebringer, Maki}
Scum theater because you want to bus in a nightless game.

GAME SOLVED I DID IT

Alisae u can buss me and we kill beeboy so no one will know

[Gamma Emerald]

Chesskid is now in my scum pile
I rescind my reck scumread, he is now Town

Disagree, chess is town

[Firebringer]

Chesskid is now in my scum pile
I rescind my reck scumread, he is now Town

Disagree, chess is town

Suuuuurrrreeeee

[xRECKONERx]

you think venmar is town, reck?

I think he's leaning town and more importantly he is SANITY for me who I think I can probably just read later if he winds up being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really think there is any female who I currently want to get stuck in a wifom situation with if scum decide to leave them alive.
The Kagami global town read I actually just don't understand.
Gamma hasn't done anything that I can read.
I think I have the best bet cooperating with Sheep so I don't want Anti to steal him away from me.

That leaves Rek.

What do you mean "I haven't don'e anything you

can

read"? What

can

you read in that case?

Stuff I arbitrarily decided one day indicated someone is scum/town are posts I can read.
Stuff like "I am town" or "I am scum" are pretty helpful imo if you wanted to give me a helping hand.

Are you for-fucking-real
How about actually trying rather than being a lazy shit

[Alisae]

Here's why I fos Venmar

I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.

i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.

will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points

pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.

Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanks

I actually kind of feel like its really easy for him to take this stance against me.
Like, I don't believe its a read that had thought put behind it, it kinda feels agenda based.

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shortlist of people to leave behind:

kokichi
harambay

this has been venny thank you very much for your attention

Here these reads are just opportunistic and garbage. Harmabey is new and is really obvious town.
Kokichi is extremely lynchable and is an easy push.

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ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think

they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.

also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts

I hate this post a lot.
Venmar is using a lot of things like the bolded. I don't feel like Venmar is trying to have a right read here. I feel like he's trying to present a read that is ironclad in reasoning.
Let's talk about the posts he pointed out.
293 - Somewhat valid question that is easy to attack.
332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.
342 - Not alignment indicative.
404 - The only thing that's wrong about this post is that he thinks he's a 7 when he's actually a 1 and that he has correct reads. Besides that, and for the most part, the post seems truthful. And at worst, the post is NAI.

[Maki Harukawa]

Okay
I am going to case Maki now and then read up because Maki should NOT be this globally TR'd she's scum scum scum.

Let's start with her approach to the mechanic over all.
Here she seems extremely adamant about wanting me to pair up with Anti because she thinks I'm scum and that's benefical for the town, right?
Well, this wasn't ever a concern for Maki for the other dance games. In fact, Maki didn't try to force pairings at all.
Keep in mind when I'm going over these games, she's on the account MariaR.
Dance Game 1 (The dance game I was scum in) - Here is a game where she really wasn't trying to enforce any pairings at all. Her only real arguements here with Hebi was about questioning her biases and her LLD read. Nothing that is trying to pair up people with certain people.
Dance Game 2 (this game I wasn't involved in - You can see the same thing here again. HOWEVER here she DOES make a comment about people attempting to pair with Nat here. Note here she's not really trying to force scum to pair with anyone, just saying that its bad for scum to pair up with the IC.

Now, let's compare that to this game, where Maki is actively trying to control pairings whereas in other games, this wasn't a concern of hers.
I feel like Maki wants as much control over pairings as possible so she can have control over the game.
I think I explained this, but for the most part, I think Maki was planning on shooting not the IC pairing to try to attempt to WIFOM a lynch on the IC pairing and myself.
481 is a scumclaim for all intensive purposes because here Maki is attempting to push something that is extremely justified and easy to push. It allows her own reasoning to look good without attempting on looking right. So when I flip town, she can just use that justification as a scapegoat and continue to lynch town.

Now, let's talk about her play here.
150 and 202 is where my initial scumread started. Mostly because this feels extremely pocketty in just her phrasing.
210 and 221 is important, mostly for progression purposes.
372 Maki comes out with this scumread on me. Now, why does this not make sense? Well, mostly because they said in 202 that I can play this way as either alignment. Granted, they're not wrong, this IS something I am do a lot, HOWEVER
410 is COMPLETELY false and in fact, its not the same approach at all. Keep in mind, Claire is comparing DRv3 Upick that she modded to this game. This isn't what I call aggro control. Aggro control is when I have complete control. I am trying to give control to Anti. And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Keep in mind, Claire is comparing my play currently, to a play where I railroad lynch after lynch after lynch.

This isn't a fight she can win, and she knows this based on how she's posting. So if anything, she wants to try to avoid the fight with me and let the read sit so she doesn't have to expose herself while pushing it.
She doesn't want to fight me because that involves her getting her own hands dirty.

Oh we're really fucking doing this aren't we?
Okay I was gonna play nice and say maybe I was being sutbborn but nope lets fucking go
Thanks for casing me btw

[sheepsaysmeep]

eh i like ali's meta
that's probably town

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

[Antihero]

/sigh

...

i kinda want to let reck-venmar happen

kagami, dance?

[beeboy]

Are you for-fucking-real
How about actually trying rather than being a lazy shit

It's the pre-dance phase and I am having trouble getting a read on your slot?
You want to kill me for something kinda meh and you have some other low explanation reads. It's not like your ISO is full of in depth cases I should be commenting on to figure out my read.

To read you I feel like I'd need to do some kinda meta dive which I don't really want to do during the pre dance phase especially because being able to vote people will presumably make everyone a lot more readable which is when I plan to get my stronger reads.

[Alisae]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

[beeboy]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

If it makes you feel better it's not a feeling no one actually cares he is a newbie.

[Firebringer]

Oh we're really fucking doing this aren't we?
Okay I was gonna play nice and say maybe I was being sutbborn but nope lets fucking go
Thanks for casing me btw

[beeboy]

I don't know, nothing said against him really has anything to do with experience level?

[sheepsaysmeep]

ali's whiteknighyness around harambey is really bad tho

Really?
Because It feels like no one cares that he's a FUCKING NEWBIE

if that did refute anything against him that wouldnt make him obvtown