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[Flavor Leaf]

I want Sheep dead.

[sheepsaysmeep]

flavor is a much better check than gamma btw

[sheepsaysmeep]

eh it's probably flavor from tiam dying too

[Flavor Leaf]

eh it's probably flavor from tiam dying too

It literally made sense from every single person’s perspective to kill two.

And Two said in the neighborhood at the beginning of the night phase that he had changed his mind on Hawk and I.

[Flavor Leaf]

Two even said in the neighborhood that he thought you were white knighting him, and James was riding him pretty hard. They can confirm that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like voting Sheep at this point
Does anyone not flavor or sheep object?

[Hawk]

I only object because I feel like if we're wrong we go to a final 3 of Chara, Flavor, Me....

[Chara]

The role cop with a traitor/encryptor and only cop/miller screams fake to me, along with some of the actions, but Chara is incredibly genuine, and I get the decisions that are made.

don't know how to feel about this.
i hate when the players i'm unsure about are the ones townreading me. especially knowing that the final scum has to win lylo too.

the strength of my rolecop is another reason i thought Gamma could be scum. i'm not sure what else scum has or how to balance normals, though, and considering your conflicting opinions on it i probably still don't know.

with the way the setup looks, i'm pretty much a second cop who can (probably) not catch the final scum, but can conftown the miller.

about Frogger: i didn't want to outright push him or CC. it would just reveal my role to scum. if i died it would be obvious that Frogger's role was a lie, so i didn't need to worry about that. i considered checking him, but conftowning (or catching) Hawk was priority. Frogger would have been my night 2 check had he not retracted. i was essentially considering him probable scum before that and deciding to not say anything to get more reports. and it resolved itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Sheep

Let’s just do it and worry about the rest if the game continues.

There’s a few scenarios for tomorrow that could happen.

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

*Flavor/Hawk/Chara - this pits Chara and I in a direct 1v1 and leaves Hawk to the decision.

Hawk/Gamma/Chara - this pits Gamma and Chara in a direct 1v1. I think this scenario leans Chara scum.

*Hawk/Flavor/Gamma - pits Gamma and I in a direct 1v1.

The two with the asterisks mean i really can’t comment on my thoughts because I have confbias for myself.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s also potential for a no kill across the board, but I think every player as scum in this situation would be a viable decision.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

gamma>chara?

Hawk/Gamma/Chara - this pits Gamma and Chara in a direct 1v1. I think this scenario leans Chara scum.

chara>gamma?

[Flavor Leaf]

I only object because I feel like if we're wrong we go to a final 3 of Chara, Flavor, Me....

We’re effectively in the same situation if Sheep isn’t scum, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

gamma>chara?

Hawk/Gamma/Chara - this pits Gamma and Chara in a direct 1v1. I think this scenario leans Chara scum.

chara>gamma?

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. I wasn’t doing potential NKA for if you were to flip town.

[sheepsaysmeep]

like in the first you want gamma dead over chara
in the second you want chara dead over gamma

what's the difference

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like if I die in the night, Chara would be scum, but if Hawk died, Gamma would be scum.

Of course, scum is going to be able to WIFOM that a bit.

[sheepsaysmeep]

eh chara's really towny

[Flavor Leaf]

eh chara's really towny

I already said that, but I think Gamma is townie as well. It’s why I just think you are scum.

[sheepsaysmeep]

why gamma towny?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sheep
btw sheep's questions here don't feel genuine, they feel like trying to discredit others

[Flavor Leaf]

why gamma towny?

He backed off of me after I ruined his mason gambit, and I feel like I would have been an easy target to push through. Instead he stated a town read on me which felt completely against a scum agenda. For me to believe he is scum, I’d have to believe he buddied me hard enough from the very beginning with his incredibly white knighting where I shaded him, he neighborized me and wanted to do a mason gambit with me, I stated that the third scum read I was talking about wasn’t him in the neighborhood, outed the neighborhood and his wanting to mason gambit, and he was so genuinely sad that I didn’t do the mason gambit, and he was weary of me then, but came around to trust his read from earlier to town read me, and I don’t see that as scummy at all. I don’t think Gamma would put so much trust into me when I was weary of him.

[sheepsaysmeep]

wary

[Chara]

Gamma is never scum with town Flavor, therefore Gamma is never scum.
if Flavor's scum he's hard-pocketed the neighbourhood. i really don't want to fight scum him in lylo and would almost rather 1v1 him now but i can't confidently say sheep is town.
but just. hoping sheep is scum so i don't have to deal with that.

[Chara]

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

i don't think i understand this.
why does scum killing conftown make Gamma more likely to you?
and why would Chara scum leaving Hawk alive make me more likely scum? he wants me lynched. killing Hawk is the most straightforward thing for scum me to do, he's unlynchable and doesn't believe my claim, and him being conftown plain makes him a good target fod any scum, so i'd have good cover.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is never scum with town Flavor, therefore Gamma is never scum.
if Flavor's scum he's hard-pocketed the neighbourhood. i really don't want to fight scum him in lylo and would almost rather 1v1 him now but i can't confidently say sheep is town.
but just. hoping sheep is scum so i don't have to deal with that.

But I'm not pocketed? I'm townreading you more than Flavor at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

i don't think i understand this.
why does scum killing conftown make Gamma more likely to you?
and why would Chara scum leaving Hawk alive make me more likely scum? he wants me lynched. killing Hawk is the most straightforward thing for scum me to do, he's unlynchable and doesn't believe my claim, and him being conftown plain makes him a good target fod any scum, so i'd have good cover.

Fair enough, but I think that trio favors Gamma more than it does you. It’s really a personal pick on who scum wants to take with them.