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[Tchill13]

Nk15 asked why chumba would inject himself into the 1v1 instead of sitting back and letting town destroy itself. It was a good question that's why I think nk15 is town.

[eth0s]

It's a good question but I don't see it as a reason to townread him tbh

[Chumba]

It's a good question but I don't see it as a reason to townread him tbh

This. Nk hasn’t done anything of value all game and his early stuff is still pretty bad.

[Chumba]

Chumba and me always think identically and I don't remember him just excusing it when we didn't mind meld.

I’m not sure what you mean here. I was the one who pointed it out that we weren’t because it worries me and you laughed it off and even called me buddy which my paranoia now wonders if this was you trying to buddy me.

[Tchill13]

You're digging your own grave chumba. You've played too loud day 1 if you are scum. If you're not I highly suggest an in depth look at profii.

[Chumba]

When asked about profii chumba said it could be his scum partner bussing. If that's your first thought why not agree to make a deal with a profii lynch?

That wasn’t my first thought though. You presented one scenario. I asked why you didn’t consider the alternative to that scenario. You still haven’t answered that question despite me asking at least twice.

In a vacuum. Profli’s vote on havo and expecting him to be lynched can feasibly be one of 3 options.

1. He’s scum and havo is town
2. He’s scum and havo is scum

You presented he’s scum and havo is town and completely ignored the alternative. When I asked you why, you freaked out and tried to turn it around on me.

Since I think havo is scum my POV is different. Profli is either town and his vote was uncharacteristic for him or they are scum together. It’s possible that I’m wrong and havo is town and profli is scum but there is way more evidence to support havo scum then there is to support profli scum.

There is more evidence to support havo scum over anyone else in this game being scum imo. That’s why I can’t unvote him.

[Chumba]

You're digging your own grave chumba.

I already said I don’t care if I die. So why make this statement?

[insanity018]

schadd_ has been prodded.

[eth0s]

VOTE: not known 15
can we wagon this? or profii?

[profii]

Profli’s vote on havo and expecting him to be lynched can feasibly be one of 3 options

I feel I need to re-iterate this is a position that tchill has inserted into the game.

I did not expect Havo to be lynched. I voted because if you asked me what was memorable about Havos play in the last game, I would say the multiple quickhammers.

Havo made a post that he had pegged eth0s - during the point where Havo vs eth0s was in full swing. This appeared to me that he was reaching for something he briefly mentioned in the last game, to try and manipulate players into believing he is an eth0s expert and we should follow him. I absolutely don't think havo pegging eth0s was a dominant part of the last game so this post rang alarm bells.

The expected to be lynched part, I believe comes from a post I made where the actual meaning was 'lets hunt 1 scum at a time, lets not introduce pre-conf bias and let the scum know where we are looking, they will only use this information to manipulate our thinking via selecting a particular night kill if we give too much away'

I would suggest, my anticipating scum moves is something I regularly do, if you are looking for characteristic traits of my play.

[profii]

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

that's the post I refer to - as per the end of the 1st sentence - I am mainly concerned about revealing our hand to the scum.

the latter part, was after I had been away and come back. I was still happy to be voting havo at that point and thought it was a good lynch so I made the joke about havo havo'ing. at that point I would have been fine if that's where we went.

[brassherald]

So, I'm caught up for now.

I have an open question for everyone, why were you not voting sheep? God, even knowing what role he is, the posts were scummy and he was a scum read for everyone the entire time. It's a mix of curiosity and maybe getting reads from responses.

I already said what I don't like about TChill's posts, I'm feeling a big scumlean here.

Not sure I like Havo calling out that he has singlehandedly "solved" Chumba but I think TChill defending him is probably more Town Indicative unless TChill is really really stupid scum.

I have a scumlean on profii as well, something seems off with his posts, it's a gut instinct more than anything I can put into words, but I've had enough gut instincts that were right for me to trust them.

Finally, I really do not like the push by NK of HWS. Yes, HWS has not posted much, but when it comes down to it, the reasoning on this wagon is pretty dumb. That being said, being this publicly idiotic is probably more town than scum.

That being said, I voted TChill and I'm staying there. If you are not specifically mentioned here I just don't find anything big compelling to specifically say you are or are not scum, but I start with default assuming all you jerks are scum.

[Chickadee]

I never voted sheep because his play is always bad. He doesn’t do anything as either alignment. I have a hard time reading him.

[brassherald]

You know what, I changed my mind on Havo. The only reason I townlean is because TChill defended him but I feel like the play TChill is already doing is the "Look how town I am, I defended Havo!" then, he'll capitalize on us thinking he's bad, saying "Oh my God, look how town I am, Havo tricked me, and I defended him! Scum would never do it, town would just bus him!"

So, scumlean on Havo. In fact, I think he's my strongest, so...

VOTE: Havo

There you go, I kind of want to see TChill's song and dance fail tomorrow, too.

[schadd_]

been busy the last few days

started to catch up last night & fell asleep

UNVOTE:

[Chumba]

been busy the last few days

started to catch up last night & fell asleep

UNVOTE:

So post thoughts on what you have so far.

[Havo]

VOTE: not known 15
can we wagon this? or profii?

If town can’t bring itself to vote me or Chumba then this would be best.

[Havo]

You know what, I changed my mind on Havo. The only reason I townlean is because TChill defended him but I feel like the play TChill is already doing is the "Look how town I am, I defended Havo!" then, he'll capitalize on us thinking he's bad, saying "Oh my God, look how town I am, Havo tricked me, and I defended him! Scum would never do it, town would just bus him!"

So, scumlean on Havo. In fact, I think he's my strongest, so...

VOTE: Havo

There you go, I kind of want to see TChill's song and dance fail tomorrow, too.

This is typical Day 1 garbage.

Your reads so far have been very poor. Please re-evaluate your play.

[Chumba]

lol @havo

“You scum read me so your reads are poor”

Let’s ignore the fact that havo lied, manipulated, and overall played like scum.

Havo takes issue with somebody implying he’s town in a negative manner but has no issues when people do it in a positive one. That’s a scum mindset. Attack the negative and embrace the positive.

[Havo]

2 scum could easily be lurking.

thats oddly specific...

Why wasn’t this oddly specific?

I think scum is probably 1of the low content guys and then 2 of the medium content guys

[Chumba]

Dude made 4 posts and he’s being told to re-evaluate his entire play

[Havo]

lol @havo

“You scum read me so your reads are poor”

Let’s ignore the fact that havo lied, manipulated, and overall played like scum.

Havo takes issue with somebody implying he’s town in a negative manner but has no issues when people do it in a positive one. That’s a scum mindset. Attack the negative and embrace the positive.

No he’s pushing for a lynch vs the 2 guys who can read you.

Wonder why?

Can’t wait to read the scum forum.

[Chumba]

You can’t read me. You have already lied about my play which proves you can’t read me. Tchill can’t read me either.

[Chumba]

Can’t wait to read the scum forum.

Hurry back and tell me what your buddies are telling you to say

[Havo]

Dude made 4 posts and he’s being told to re-evaluate his entire play

How about he explain his reads?

Let him tell everyone why I’m scum.