Open 709: Masons and Monks (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

First town win of the setup

Wolf is gonna have a fun choice tonight

Tbh I hope Archwing flips wolf cuz that makes this game easy street

[Mathdino]

Bro the fact that davesaz made it look like he was a Mason actually makes him more likely to be town

I explicitly called on town to do that to muddy the waters

[Mathdino]

If it's 2v1v1 tomorrow you should either quick no lynch and hope for a double cross kill

Or just punishment lynch Assembler

[Mathdino]

This is your regular reminder that Assembler is posting in other games

[Mathdino]

no

i just know exactly who i would kill if i were each one of the remaining scum (assuming arch flips town)

it's likely we lose if arch is town tbh

[Mathdino]

the fuck

are you two monks or masons

or are we just purposefully not outing this shit

[Mathdino]

jay what's going on

wtf is your role name

because if assembler/dunnstral are actually monks that changes a lot

[Mathdino]

my respect for your towngame has significantly gone up tbh

that's a me/A50-level plan

tbh though had i known you guys were the masons i might not have lynched archwing at all

dunno who i would've lynched tho

[Mathdino]

and yeah assembler is bad at this tbh

[Mathdino]

i honestly believe you're all punking me right now but i don't really care

jay's breadcrumb was rock solid

[Mathdino]

So was my appearant "Vigilante" crumb, Dino.

yeah but you didn't outright point it out

A50 got overconfident lol

anyway archwing are you mafia or werewolf

[Mathdino]

no yeah that guy's scum

he'd be directing our lynch tomorrow if town

you can tell by that alone

[Mathdino]

i would honestly laugh if scum decided to kill me instead of a mason/monk

both scumteams seriously fucked up their NKs tbh

[Mathdino]

Guys

Guys

Help me get my first 4 scum lynches in a row pls

VOTE: davesaz

It's pretty fucking obviously dave

For once I'm glad I'm alive so I can argue I pushed through all 4 lynches

[Mathdino]

I have a case in my head if you guys actually give a shit
Did some night reading, Jay is completely out of the question
So unless Jay thinks it's Raya... It's just Dave. It is.

Assembler, don't vote, I want Jay and Raya to both sign off on this

[Mathdino]

Brb I will go quote some posts and you guys can basically write the case yourself

[Mathdino]

WELCOME TO MATHDINOS BUILD A CASE WORKSHOP

PICK THE QUOTES YOU WANT AND TAKE HOME YOUR VERY OWN DAVESAZ CASE

Well, at least Jay+momo and Jay+Moz are not valid scum team combinations.

Why wouldn't they?

dave, please. We're still on page 2 so it's not even that hard to read the whole thing. Busing is not an option on D1 for a 2-players scum team, and it's not like either is pushing Jay for the fun of it.

A bus is only really a bus when it results in a lynch nor near-lynch.
Scum vote their partners all the time in a low-risk environment. Surely you must know that.

I'd be up for a Beef Lynch, I guess.

--- Post Edit ---

Welp, 138 convinced me completely.

VOTE: Beefster

What about 138 did you like?
Is this a real scumread? You didn't seem to have any opinion before this. Any thoughts on what Beefster has posted more recently?

Spoiler:

It's only fair that I say what I think in conjunction with the Beef wagon. I'm ambivalent on Beefster at that point and think that wagons serve a purpose regardless of the alignment of the target -- obviously scum is better. I have noticed the Dino/Beef discussion but I'm tired right now and would rather do my deep thinking later.

Beefster might indeed be scum. His posting seems to not be very well-rounded. The post about

selectively scumhunting

would be ironic if he's scum, because that kinda seems to be what he's doing.

If Beef is town, talon and Raya look the most opportunistic of the people on the wagon.

If scum are in the people with single digit posts I'd rather not let them get away without having to contribute d1.
I've changed my mind on the Beef lynch and think it is OK, but we have plenty of time to work with.
Technically nobody's due a prod, you can tell clearly by looking at the activity page.

Very interesting to say the least. Hard to say whether it's meant to fool us into thinking that further discussion is dangerous for his team, if it's actually true that it's dangerous.

Possible that his partner pissed him off with a hard bus. Contrary to popular belief that is not impossible in a 2 person scumteam especially if the partner is widely townread.

TBH those posts aren't aimed at anyone in particular being the partner. I don't have an especially good handle on scum this game.

I'm gonna tinfoil that D1 Mathdino could easily have been Beef's partner.

If scum are in the people with single digit posts I'd rather not let them get away without having to contribute d1.
I've changed my mind on the Beef lynch and think it is OK, but we have plenty of time to work with.
Technically nobody's due a prod, you can tell clearly by looking at the activity page.

I posted this literally the first online thing I did waking up that morning. I wanted the day to go longer to have more time to scumhunt. Beef self hammered about an hour later, while I was getting started with work. I firmly believe that beef tried to prevent us from looking further into the people we wanted to be prodded.

Coupled with my previous post:

Alright...

@mod: requesting a prod on assemble, dunn, raya, and talon

Probably. Any theory, Momo? You love to do conspiracies, so this is up your alley.

If I were to guess, it would be Raya...hopped onto this wagon with a semi-justification but still was a REALLY oppurtunistic vote...reeked scum

If not raya than maybe talon...his vote was oppurtunistic but it felt more n00b as well

I'm extremely curious about Mathdino still being alive. If Mathdino is town, both scum teams worried that the other would kill him so they both picked someone else? Both nights? Why would they do that when they can kill town's driving force? Even if they risk a double kill, getting rid of the strongest town is the best strategy in most cases.

Sum total of Assemble's beef interactions: nothing

Seriously, look at the iso.

BUILD A CASE WORKSHOP
WHERE TOWNBLOCS ARE MADE

[Mathdino]

Not shitty

The game just did not go well for him

He thought momo was a monk imo, momo was obviously a Dave kill

Idk who he killed in A50 and talon but he probably thought A50 was a monk/Mason too

Tbh all the people he speculated on being masons/monks together got nkd eventually

Anyway its Raya if not Dave because she's good at bussing as scum

But it's also just Dave

[Mathdino]

Cue "Mathdino is lining up lynches" from Raya and Dave

I just quick metad Raya to rule her out and I cannot rule her out even though I wanted to

So whatever

Perfect win when we lynch Dave

It's not me because I'm not a total asshole who busses without consent

No one would want to be scum with me anymore

[Mathdino]

Oh yeah
I purposefully muddled associations to protect the mason/monks
While Dave actively searched for them and shot people he thought were masons/monks

Sheep me so I can be insufferable for 30 mins in post-game for lynching FOUR SCUM IN A ROW AND NETTING FIRST TOWN WIN FOR THE SETUP

Oh wait that's literally a good argument for not sheeping me
Fuck

Edit: ok so raya is vla so I guess Assembler can hammer because Dave is too principled to do that

[Mathdino]

Beefster shouldn't have self hammered

Kotoko failed to self hammer but i was also okay with the hammer anyway lol

Archwing was gud

So how's it going Jay

Would be cool if you summarised the PT just so I can read Raya

[Mathdino]

Jay we won't be playing any games together after this is over D:

[Mathdino]

Okay yeah Raya would keep her options open as scum cuz she knows she's not getting you lynched

Still read for the hammer

[Mathdino]

How is this game still running

Like he's doing everything but claim scum at this point

I don't think anyone wants this game to last longer, including dave

Hammerrrr

[Mathdino]

OK dude I deserve the loss for lynching 3 scum in a row lol

It's multiball, it's not my fault 2 scumteams refused to shoot me when I just wanted to focus on team mafia

[Mathdino]

Omfg

[Mathdino]

Yo but legit don't blame him

Im not a huge fan of being scum either lol

He's not self hammering because principle and that technically is game throwing

Tbh Raya should've just ended it

[Mathdino]

Shouts out to Jay's actually really smart Masons/monks fakeout strategy that Assembler derped all over

Granted, if i were scum and neighbors with Jay, I would've just killed Jay to frame me and dave

That alone is confirmation its not Raya

[Mathdino]

Negative

Raya could mislynch me and dave to win, killing whichever monk likes her less before lylo

You could've done the same shit

Guess why i don't suspect you

[Mathdino]

It was smart but it would've worked significantly better if remaining scum was mafia tbh

[Mathdino]

I die a little bit inside every time I check the thread and see that Dave has not been hammered yet

[Mathdino]

Assembler gets on in the afternoon

I assume Rayas driving home from college or something so yeah bye bye

Dave I would not blame you at all for hammering, although I respect that you might think Assembler could come in pushing my lynch (technically possible)

[Mathdino]

YAYYYYYYY

[Mathdino]

I may never see a greater town victory than this without playing a large with newbscum

Thank you scum for not crosskilling, giving me the opportunity to pick you off myself

Not gonna thank you for leaving me alive but I guess the rest of the town can

Gg

Entire beefster wagon was town lololol

[Mathdino]

I hope future iterations of this setup see my advice/strategy

Cuz I genuinely think that's a major part of the win

Scum couldn't figure out who tf the power roles were

Beefster quicklynch was extremely anti scum

[Mathdino]

Man, I only subscribed to this cuz I wanted Jay/A50/dave/momo meta. I think JK9++ was still running too so a read on momo would've been nice.

When Shaded lurked out I was like "oh fuck the game's gonna stall out if someone's not generating activity" so I figured I could just as easily get the meta while playing the game.

Figured it'd be some low effort shit, just town leader all over everyone, quicklynch someone because STRATEGY and MECHANICS, softclaim mason/monk by telling people to shut up about associations, and get NK'd by one of the scumteams.

Tbh I expect every lynch I'm on to be on town. This game did not go as expected in so many ways.

[Mathdino]

Might've been momo. Sometimes when I play with people I look at some of their recent posts/topics sitewide to get a sense of how they're playing everywhere.

If you and I weren't alive in any games together when I joined, it's probably just coincidence. Don't remember exactly who I was stalking.

Also lol'd at A50's Mathdino vote and felt obligated to follow the game after that xD

[Mathdino]

Clearly you do not understand the power of reading too deeply into RVS :O

I'm gonna be really disappointed if A50 hasn't been following this game. After JK9++ I can't fkin wait to see what he's been saying in the dead thread.

[Mathdino]

jesus fucking christ jay

[Mathdino]

Gonna be pretty sad if it's Raya (cuz I probably lose that 1v1), but luckily it's still dave.

[Mathdino]

Benefit of the doubt:

Would be sad if anyone thought low enough of me that they think it'd be within my range to powerbus my partner with 0 suspicion on him without consent.

I've completed 4 scumgames on this site, and every single time I've either not bussed or asked for permission to bus first.

It's even more important in a multiball, where the risk remains that I'd just get immediately shot by the other scumteam.

Unless you think I'm just lying about the "replacing in and wanting to get killed" thing, the best thing for me to do to fulfill that would be to powerlynch someone D1 and get shot. Not to bus my partner and drag out the game.

Plus, literally none of the kills make sense from my perspective except possibly mozamis, but that requires Archwing to think it'd be a good idea to shoot sheep.

[Mathdino]

And there's nothing in you that suggests it could possibly be Raya?

That's literally why I lynched you. That lack of consideration and lack of case until after you got hammered was a major scumtell.

Not getting killed is a clue I'm scum in singleball, I agree. But mafia didn't even kill me. Mafia has kept me alive when I was an Innocent Child who called out the entire 3 person scumteam on D1. I've made it to LyLo in so many games despite having a perfect LyLo win record.

Like Archwing, you haven't rectified why I would bus in that situation.

Do you believe that I didn't want to play this game out?

Plus how do either of Almost50 and talon kills make sense from my perspective?

Edit: You seriously think I gamethrew to get the game over with?

[Mathdino]

I mean I'm trying to find evidence of davesaz LyLo trolling but I don't really see anywhere he had the opportunity to.

I would also prefer not to go into LyLo again. ESPECIALLY if it ruins my 4-scum streak.

@dave: The point is that you just suggested I might've bussed to get shot and thus fulfill my "getting out of this game ASAP" strategy. I don't like scum but I don't hate scum THAT much.

Edit: So you can't defend yourself while at L-1? You made like 3 posts indicating that you weren't gonna give a case at all.

The only other options are Jay and Raya. It's not Jay. That implies I've overlooked Raya, whose scumgame would be characterised by:

- Pocketing Jay
- Jumping on her partner's wagon on his way down
- Killing A50 who might've outed her/Jay (getting her killed)
- Sheeping me twice while staying under the radar to avoid the NK
- Simultaneously discrediting me out of "paranoia"
- Refusing to hammer you so she doesn't lose cred going into tomorrow

Like, it's kind of consistent, but not nearly as consistent as you/Beefster.

[Mathdino]

Hell, I even warn people I'm gonna bus in Town of Salem. I subscribe to mastina's "Never bus unless you have to" strategy. I soft-defended both Not_Mafia and Elmo TeH AzN from a lynch when they were both utterly useless. I hard defended my partners in Hope Plus One.

I'm a good enough scumhunter to nail both mafia. Why would I not just scumhunt the other team?

If I'm scum here, I'm the asshole. That's what you're failing to admit. I wouldn't want to play scum with myself if this were my scumgame.

Beefster's self-hammer is also inconsistent with me being scum tbh.

[Mathdino]

Like, this is not play I would be proud of. Playing like this also heavily jeopardises situations in which I'm town and I get scum lynched, because oh shit, Mathdino now has a meta for powerbussing on D1.

This is potentially THE WORST SITUATION to bus your partner on D1.

Worse than singleball.
Worse than white flag.
Worse than nightless.

The only thing it's not worse than is the case in which scum are lovers together.

[Mathdino]

Look, numberQ saw the hammer 2 hours ago. The fact that he hasn't locked the thread or said anything implies this is game over.

[Mathdino]

I hate this. I PM'd the mod.

Jay, I want you to look over my scumgame with you and my last scumgame with TheGoldenParadox (including the mafia PTs) and seriously tell me if this is my scumgame. I want to hear it from you.

Then, if it's between me and Raya, look over Raya's scumgame(s) and ask if scumRaya would be capable of this game as scum.

And then figure out, between my ISO and Raya's ISO, whose game has been more town-motivated.

Raya wanted to avoid massclaim because massclaim gets her shot if we didn't lynch mafia that day.

[Mathdino]

It will be. I don't want you to just blindly follow me here. One-way street to second guessing yourself after the time I drew scum. That kind of strategy only works once. ethos and S_S were both obvtown that game and I won by rhetoric.

This time, the evidence is in my favour, and I need you to review it.

[Mathdino]

Jesus christ guys.

Jay, post all your completed scumgames.

I was hardtownreading Jay for the monk claim thing but he's also crazy good at scum.

Both your voting patterns suck. Equally.

I really don't know at this point.

[Mathdino]

Anyone want to bet which scum group is getting hung first? My bet's on the Werewolves. They are just dogs, after all. Clearly incapable of thought and reasoning.

In fact... If anybody here starts showing dog-like qualities, we should Lynch them immediately.

And what the fuck was this post supposed to be?

[Mathdino]

I'm resigned to the fact that one of you probably killed A50 for calling out your mason team. I don't see why either of you as scum would make the talon kill.

sheep argued hard against townreading Jay.
mozamis townread both of you and scumread Archwing, so that's likely Arch's kill.

Dunnstral and Assembler were pretty much on the exact same page of lynching dave. NAI kill.

[Mathdino]

Yeah that's no help at all :/

Go ahead. Also here to answer any questions.

[Mathdino]

What about the stuff you said?

[Mathdino]

Do you get the impression from my D1 that I was lying about wanting to speedlynch and not provide reads? I recall actively strongarming people into voting. To the point where I explicitly doled out townreads to the entire wagon.

She's correct in that multiball forces everyone to scumhunt. Really the fact that I found both mafia is proof of my abilities more than anything. Like yeah if I were a shit scumhunter and I suddenly flashwagoned Beef D1 and turned out right, that's a bus.

[Mathdino]

Then what's your read on her?

[Mathdino]

I would actually rather scum vote me so I don't have to be the one to decide. That way it's at least not my fault if we lose xD
More coming

[Mathdino]

Dino, I need to figure out which of you are scum. Give me something else to tell me your not the scum. I know you went hard for both the mafia. I know you're responsible for getting three scum hung. I know that you've been the heart of this town.

But I also know Dave kept saying it was you before he died. I know that you know of my "LyLo" status. I know you did this to me before because you wanted me to vote so you could quickhammer and win.

Don't know what else to tell you.

1. It would be a phenomenally dickish move to replace into Beefster's team, bus the fuck out of him and potentially insta-lose. If you did the meta on me like I asked, you'll see that I always give heads-ups before bussing. You know, so people

want

to roll scum with me.

2. It would be a phenomenally stupid move to bus my scumbuddy on D1 and then continue to lynch the shit out of scum, putting myself in the crosshairs. You know that I hate being wrong. That applies to me as both town and scum. I don't like to use strategies that could so easily backfire when my team's win is on the line. Do you believe that I believed Kotoko/Archwing would flip scum? Because if so, why would I paint a target on myself by powerlynching mafia when I could just shoot them at night?

3. I repeatedly tried to use multiball to my advantage to get you shot at night. Because I do know your LyLo status. I didn't want you alive for this.

4. I stonewalled the Archwing and Assembler wagons when I didn't have to (when I thought Archwing was town). Town auto-loses if both teams always kill town and town mislynches once. I set up the game for a town win.

5. AGAIN, if you did the meta research, you can probably find something different about my play. I completed a scumgame modded by Creature, go check that out. sheep has always been able to figure out the difference. I'm just not obvtown as scum.

6th reason is as follows:
@Jay: We've played together multiple times now. What's the first thing I do when I join an open game? Feel free to check my thread history for literally the first 2 pages of opens I've played in. It's the same thing every time.

[Mathdino]

I'm not talking about voting you first. I RVS wagon mislynchable players on purpose to get their reactions. That has nothing to do with opens.

You only need the first dozen or so of my posts.
Try:
Polygamist
JK9++
Micro 769 (yes I do this in my scumgames too)
Switch

I don't know if this extends back to pre-hiatus but feel free to check there too.

[Mathdino]

First thing I do privately is to check the wiki page for the setup I'm playing.

Put yourself in Mathdino-brain. What would I have discovered from checking the setup here?

[Mathdino]

2: The Werewolves have won 50% of the time and the Mafia 37.5%. a draw the rest of the time.

You've brought this up as well before when you were giving advice to future players of this style of game.

3 The Scum teams HAVE to eliminate the other one and then control 50% of the town,or be able to not be prevented.

Bingo.

I'm unfortunately using self-meta from Polygamist, but my argument there was "Scum wins almost every time that the town plays normally. Therefore, we should do something previous towns have never done before, and random speedlynch".

If I look at the setup and notice scum constantly wins, I'll think, okay, scum wins if things go like always, and town MIGHT win if we mix it up. That's why I used the speedlynch + PR-masking strategy. I'm a good PR hunter. Doing what I did as scum would've crippled me.

Point is, I checked the setup, realised this is scumsided, decided why (masons/monks are easy to hunt for), and inoculated against it. I would've had no reason to do this as scum when I could've just played like normal, fucked over the other 3 scum, and coasted to endgame with no PRs left (cuz I shot them all).

[Mathdino]

So obviously I'm gonna need cases here.

Jay, you still need to explain that page 1 "WILL THE WEREWOLVES DIE FIRST" post.

[Mathdino]

Then why did you do the standard survival play when your getting shot by werewolves would've been pro-town?

[Mathdino]

Right, got it.

Shit, you're gonna wanna stay alive for your faction as both a TPR and as scum.

[Mathdino]

I mean, going after me the way she did in D2/D3 gets her shot if I'm actually scum. So if she legitimately believed I was a wolf, no; tis better to hardpush me than randomly discredit me.

[Mathdino]

Looking back she stayed on the Wagon day one for Beefster while I got off and challenged it.

is this supposed to be a point in your favour?

[Mathdino]

Don't care that you fucked up. Half the town did (and I still think dave's scum for it lol).

I care why.

Why'd you think it'd be a better idea to lynch elsa where?

[Mathdino]

...

I meant why you wanted to lynch elsewhere outside of Beefster.

[Mathdino]

Can you go find that post?

[Mathdino]

or at the very least, how long before that wagon happened did you read that post

i'm verifying

[Mathdino]

You here, Jay?

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Raya36
Take your win if it's you.

I'd rather lose to a scum-Jay than lose by mislynching Jay, I think. Wayyyy too many townslips and only-town-utility moments in Jay's play. Raya's lack of an argument is extremely concerning, as is the lack of hammer, and the L-1 spot on Beefster's wagon.

[Mathdino]

Sigh.

Outplayed.

[Mathdino]

I almost unvoted there too to see if you had a post saved or something. 3p LyLos are tough shit.

[Mathdino]

I don't know how that would've caught you. You'd have seen the unvote.

[Mathdino]

Given that Raya has a meta of softbussing her partners, and actively didn't vote with her professed scumreads, I'm not sure how I could've figured this one out.

Raya lack of participation in the PT and in today made me assume scum apathy.

[Mathdino]

Which kills did you make?

[Mathdino]

Also not to devalue your win, which was obviously earned, but the fact that town literally can't confirm anyone as town in this setup is pretty bs. It's basically multiball mountainous with 2 hoods (that in this game went unused).

[Mathdino]

And the mason claim gambit?

[Mathdino]

The table was set for your win as long as you could actually dodge the NK. The rest of town wasn't present enough to seriously wolfhunt. Plus I was relying on masons to successfully read each other. When you came out of the night townreading me while Raya couldn't give an answer after 3 days of night, I figured she was keeping her options open.

[Mathdino]

Dave could probably have convinced me to lynch you first if that's who he had in mind. Wasn't a fan of his "not gonna help you win if you lynch me" play.

[Mathdino]

Raya if you had him called at the end why didn't you argue for it lol

[Mathdino]

I'm honestly leaning towards it being Jay right now. Nothing about Math seems scum oriented to me and the only things making me second guess this is the fact that Math is still alive despite being so active all game and how Jay also seems fairly town.

Also Jay, really sorry about not using the PT to its fullest. I had a busy last few days with starting up the new semester and stuff.

I mean, going after me the way she did in D2/D3 gets her shot if I'm actually scum. So if she legitimately believed I was a wolf, no; tis better to hardpush me than randomly discredit me.

To answer this I did think you could be the wolf. The main reason I was looking into you so much was because of the same reason I'm second guessing myself right now, you're still alive.

You never made indication that you were going to make an argument eventually. Just seemed like you came to a conclusion but were still keeping your options open.

I would've given you time if you wanted it

[Mathdino]

When you conceded some points that made you suspicious?

I mean sure, but that's just awareness of the gamestate.

Where else?

[Mathdino]

I had figured out it wasn't raya before the lock.

In the unlikely chance that you are town, you've overlooked someone.

typically when you have something important to tell the town

you tell the town lol

[Mathdino]

still too salty about the loss to heap tons of praise
but yeah flavour in the werewolf pt was some good shit

i still wish i died n1 tbh, this game ended up being a slot with basically just me talking to jay the whole time

also everyone in the dead thread is like "why doesn't dino realise why he's still alive?"
standard "that's easy for you to say"

1. Correct play to kill confirmed town first, it's what I would do.
2. Both Raya and dave heaped random discredits on me through D2, D3, and D4. Jay did not. I assumed I was still alive as the token LyLo mislynch. Since Raya-scum would've had the night to convince Jay, I was paranoid as shit.

From my perspective, the people who died were the people who would've trusted my word (excepting Jay, who is mislynchbait), and the people who survived were the people discrediting me and wanting me gone. I think the conclusion of "kept alive as lynchbait" was much more reasonable from my standpoint than "Jay is pocketing me".

Since it looks like almost everyone's arguments in the dead thread were "Jay is obvscum because Dino is still alive", I wouldn't have completely 180'd my read just because of a NKA conspiracy theory. Hell, half of you assumed I had to be alive because I was scum.

dave or Raya were really the only ones who could've convinced me out of that call at the end tbh.

[Mathdino]

As always, the alderman is already there when the villagers arrive. He is kneeling - no, almost crumpled - at the base of the tree. There is a slouch in his shoulders unbecoming the normally proud stature of this man. The reason why is evident. Another body, but not like the others. It is posed, leaning against the tree at the center of the village. If not for the brutal and bloody lacerations across its flesh, you might think it were simply resting.

Carved into the tree is a simple phrase - a taunt, a mocking epithet.

Final Chance

It is a dare from the remaining werewolf, a confident proclamation of their own victory. Silence fills a few moments, as all gathered stare at the body and the phrase. Finally, the alderman rises. It is time.

When I carved a goddamn taunt into the middle of the town, that's what.

lol obviously if the mod outed that they let the wolves write the kill flavour that would be game relevant info

but yeah tbh you didn't really "get away with" anything
like you did basically nothing scummy (outside of your usual meta)
VCA implicated raya farrrr more than you

[Mathdino]

Mathdino, it slipped away the moment you decided to lynch the only person who suspected you in your first post of D4. From my point of view as town, suspecting you and being vocal about it is something scum absolutely cannot do. You're never going to be lynched, even if you are scum. When you refused to accept that town!me would (and should!) suspect scum!you to my dying breath but scum!me would never attack town!you (especially with Raya sitting there as an easy mislynch), you sealed town's fate. That reinforced my conviction that you had to be scum getting rid of your only threat.

Beefster did the exact same thing. So did Archwing. And maybe Kotoko but that's prob wrong. Should I have backed off of them?

I ignore what people say when they're on the stand for exactly this reason. Scum will say whatever it's least likely for scum to do in that situation. D1 associations clearly implicated you, and almost all of the town seemed to strongly agree with that.

The only thing that gets me to ease up on people is them giving me better options. I wanted to hear what your take was (on me and others), but you seemed uninterested in providing that.

Also, people seem to think I'm unlynchable even as scum when they just don't have enough scum-me meta to tell, lol.