Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)

[Havo]

Hey guys. Looking forward to this.

But since I know very few of you and expect you are not familiar with me, I’m gonna just go ahead and throw this out there and get this started off right.

*** DISCLAIMER ***

Just an FYI for you peoples.

I HATE day 1’s. If ANYONE gets to L-1 in the first few days, I will absolutely hammer them without giving them a chance to claim. Faster than you can believe. Unless I hard TR them. Which on Day 1 is very rare. In order to get to night one and get the game rolling.
Don’t expect extensive read lists from me on Day 1 either. If someone scum pings me I’ll definitely go after them but other than that I see Day 1’s as a crapshoot.

If you guys don’t like this play style then feel free to policy lynch me and I’ll move on to the next signups.

[Havo]

I agree, help me wagon Havo instead.

[Havo]

But why, instead of having a wagon of 2 we could have a wagon of 3

If I vote on your wagon then I can’t swoop in and hammer.

[Havo]

I'm down for the self-hammer

VOTE: Havo

Oh yeah, well I won’t self hammer.

You know, goes against my win condition and all.

[Havo]

I'm down for the self-hammer

VOTE: Havo

Oh yeah, well I won’t self hammer.

You know, goes against my win condition and all.

But you hate Day 1s and want to get to Night 1 to get the game rolling.

Man those stinking technicalities.

[Havo]

When did he self vote?

In other games. I decided to search his posts on this site and found 2 games where he self voted.

I want to know why self voting isn’t considered playing against your win condition, only self hammering.

Sorry, but you would have to point those out to me as I don’t remember.

I would guess they were out of frustration. Wait I do remember one and it was to resolve a 1v1 where I was
Being death tunneled by a hard head. It was to show I was willing to resolve that issue for the sake of town so town could move forward. I unvoted shortly after tho. The other I don’t recall.

[Havo]

How is not giving someone a chance to claim playing to your win condition, if you're town?

Long story short.

The early Day 1 claim from threat of quick hammer isn’t very trustworthy anyway.

And I HATE seeing PRs outed on Day 1. So I prefer this method very early on.

It’s controversial, I understand that. But it’s my preferred approach to Day 1.

[Havo]

I agree, help me wagon Havo instead.

Havo, why are you advocating your own wagon here? Not that I'm disagreeing with the sentiment, just wondering

Just saying if town isn’t cool with my Disclaimer then I’m cool with being policy lynched.

I’d rather explain my mindset prior as opposed to after.

Very hi chance a quick hammer wouldn’t even happen anyway.

[Havo]

I don't want to policy lynch you, I want to real lynch you, if I think you should be lynched. Which I don't necessarily think, yet.

So you want to get me to L-1 and then what?

Force a claim?

Then rinse and repeat?

[Havo]

I want to spark some debate, get people stirred up. And I want to see how people interact with the wagon.

Right now we've got:
fitz
Zito
Lexa
numberQ (me)
Awoo
Riggs

on the wagon

oh hey, we are at L-1, unless I missed an unvote.

WE'RE AT L-1, FOLKS

What do you think of the people who jumped on your wagon, Havo?

I’ll let you know once there’s resolution.

[Havo]

What resolution are you waiting for?

Either town realizes my Disclaimer isn’t A.I. and is okay with me staying in the game, thus removing their votes

Or I get lynched. In which case if I happen to be around during twilight I’ll give my thoughts. If not then .....

C’est la vie.

[Havo]

Havo...have you ever made that DISCLAIMER before on MS?

Yah. This is the third one in a row.

Second game is still active.

[Havo]

@Cedric.

I think it’s pretty obvious why I self voted in those situations.

And I think it’s worth pointing out I was town both times. Just as I am now.

[Havo]

There is a difference in a self vote and a self hammer.

[Havo]

I’m most likely gonna be V/LA for the next 24 hours.

Noted

But I’m liking what I’m seeing in content so far. Actually a bit surprised for some reason I had low expectations.

[Havo]

What do you think of the people who jumped on your wagon, Havo?

I think the knee jerk reaction for anyone is too vote me when I post that Disclaimer. Because it’s basically an open invitation to vote me.

But I think the reaction of scum is that it’s such easy mislynch bait, that they see no need to jump on. ESP not early anyway. Maybe scum even defends me a little. So I seriously doubt the first two or three on that wagon are scum. Now Maybe there could be one at the rear, but I would be very surprised to see two scum on it.

[Havo]

The strangest looking vote to me on my wagon would be Awoo.

[Havo]

Struggling reading most of this day. Maybe it’s just late but I read and don’t seem to retain any of it. Or maybe it’s just that none of it is sticking out to me yet. But that’s very typical Day 1 for me.

Mumbles seems sketchy but isn’t that always Mumbles?

Luca seems intentionally neutral.

[Havo]

VOTE: Mumble

So far, mumble, as well as a couple others, have been rubbing me the wrong way reading their posts. Not sure on a lot of things at the moment, but this seems like a better idea than havo at the moment

Care to expand on “a couple others”?

[Havo]

I’m not much on the Lexa wagon.

I’d like to hear more from Alexcellent and Fitz tbh.

[Havo]

I’m not much on the Lexa wagon.

I’d like to hear more from Alexcellent and Fitz tbh.

About anything in particular or just because we (my v/LA aside) don't have a lot of posts yet?

You don't suspect anyone enough to place a vote yet?

Do you think "intentionally trying to be neutral" is AI?

Just your thoughts on current game state.

No, not really

Yes.

[Havo]

The strangest looking vote to me on my wagon would be Awoo.

Why is it strange?

There was no commentary with it. No reason. So it felt a bit opportunistic but like I said the post was an open invitation to vote me, so no biggie.

[Havo]

Luca, Havo and Papa:

What are your reads on Lexa and Mumble?

Mumbles is usually scummy to me. I have a hard time reading him. No difference here.

Lexa just doesn’t give me a scum vibe. But no one has as of yet.

[Havo]

VOTE: Cedric

This needs momentum.

[Havo]

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Yeah see I agree with this too much

Lexa is not scummy too me.

Cedrick just laid down 2 extremely town posts.

Mumbles is the only one scummy to me but that’s usually how I read him.

VOTE: mumbles

[Havo]

man papa, i really hope you are scum.

It's tough being a useless piece of shit but I get by.

[Havo]

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Yeah see I agree with this too much

Lexa is not scummy too me.

Cedrick just laid down 2 extremely town posts.

Mumbles is the only one scummy to me but that’s usually how I read him.

VOTE: mumbles

do you not agree his play here is vastly different from his scum game?

I think VASTLY is a stretch. But I see your point.

I find it interesting you’re defending him so hard here. I town read that because I see no scum motivation for it this early.

ESP with Mumbles.

I’m not buying the Lexa wagon tho. Just not there.

[Havo]

VOTE: unvote

[Havo]

I believe both claims and I'm not lynching either of them.

[Havo]

Fitz says he supports my lynch but only after we lynch a Pr claim. Sorry that is never a town mindset especially day 1

I agree with this.

[Havo]

VOTE:

I think it's fair to say Mumble and Lexa aren't both scum - otherwise that would be some fine play acting.

Mumble's claim certainly felt more believable than Lexa's; His confident tone when replying to Lexa's claim, and his assuredness he wouldn't be counter-claimed. Also the way he gave the reads after didn't feel like scum merely playing for time before being lynched, although why he's waited until now to start openly sorting players I don't know.

Lexa's immediately felt like BS with apparent bravado of her claim, which doesn't even directly affect Mumble's claim. Her reasoning in 536 that she believes Mumble's role should also have a modifier seems a rash assumption on her part, yet strangely genuine. I'm in agreement with Cedrick that both are best left alone for the time being.

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs

He's done very little, to the point it feels like he's just trying to coast through the day unnoticed. I don't like the appeasement of 30, nor do I like the vagueness of his Mumble vote or his shading of certain players in 257. In 328 He says he's '

going through things now

', yet all he subsequently manages is a passive question at Zito as to why he suspects Cedrick over others. Cedrick was also one of the ones Riggs shaded earlier, so presumably he should have been able to relate somewhat to Zito's scumread on Cedrick.

I’m good with pushing there also, but the same could probably be said about me. It’s Day 1.

VOTE: GNR

[Havo]

you are a prime example of why scum almost always claim prs on this site

Are you advocating we should lynch one of the claimed PRs?

[Havo]

Is there anyone who still has any doubts as to how I came to my Day 1 Disclaimer play style?

Gotta love Day 1s. Lol.

[Havo]

Ok I’m done with you. Can we please lynch fitz. I honestly can’t see how he’s town at this point.

OMG!

Derpy is that you?????

[Havo]

Would definitely explain the tunneling.

[Havo]

All the signs point to it. Lol.

I’m sure of it.

So I say we lynch either Lexa or Cedrick.

[Havo]

Yes you did.

Disagreeing with you isn’t defending Lexa

Yes you have.

I disagree and I explained why.

You and mumbles used bad reasoning. If you used it on somebody else I’d still call it out.

When a player uses non AI things and imply they are AI, I’m calling it out. Just because it happened to be on Lexa doesn’t really mean I’m defending her.

Idk why you even have an obsession with defending people to begin with. Other people are defending others yet you ignore that. You are basically defending mumble and I don’t even know why.

Defending somebody isn’t scummy. You are too experienced to say it is.

this is 99% robb omg

Told ya. Lol.

[Havo]

Still think mumble is scum but won’t lynch today unless he’s leading and deadline is near
If fitz isn’t off the table I’d lynch Eddie.

I’m also fine with gnr/Zito/havo since they are low content players and useless

Yeah, I hit a nerve. LMAO.

[Havo]

I'll reply to the rest later driving rn at a red light
are u two face

No. I assumed rob was twoface also.

He was. And he’s, Chumba and Derpy and I remember him when he was a guy named Woody.

Me and Rob go way back. Way Way back.

And I know who you are.

But hey, whatever, doesn’t matter to me honestly.

Just explains your play.

And yes, I haven’t done much scum hunting. But I rarely do on Day 1. My game picks up on Day 2. So I’m just waiting patiently. I rarely trust my Day 1 scum reads anyway. I’m much better at town reads on Day 1.

[Havo]

You and me both. Your iso is pretty empty though and we're most of the way through the day, who have you found for your town reads?

It hasn’t been easy. I haven’t played with most of this list, usually by now I have a few decent TRs.

Right now I’m -

Town - PapaZ, Eddie
Lean town - Luca, RB, Fitz, Lexa
Null - NSG, Ced, Awoo,
Lean scum - GNR, mumble, Alex

[Havo]

You and me both. Your iso is pretty empty though and we're most of the way through the day, who have you found for your town reads?

It hasn’t been easy. I haven’t played with most of this list, usually by now I have a few decent TRs.

Right now I’m -

Town - PapaZ, Eddie
Lean town - Luca, RB, Fitz, Lexa
Null - NSG, Ced, Awoo,
Lean scum - GNR, mumble, Alex

I'm really interested to see Alex in your scum lean group he's mostly been town read from what I've seen and i town read him myself. What are you seeing differently?

It’s mostly a gut thing for me.
This is gonna sound weird, but it’s like a few of his posts are too polished.
And he’s a low poster so far. Just something for me to keep an eye on. Could be nothing.

[Havo]

Happy birthday!

[Havo]

VOTE: unvote

[Havo]

Now that Mulch has replaced in for GNR, I’m willing to re-evaluate the slot.

Will take a harder look tomorrow. Hitting the bed right now.

[Havo]

Lexa/Luca/Havo imo

Negative ghost rider.

[Havo]

VOTE: lexa

But I’m willing to get on the Mumble/Mulch scumhunting train.

The flip will answer a few questions

I want to see specifically if Mulch is right here.

[Havo]

I’ll freely admit I wasn’t scum reading Lexa. And my vote probably does look suspect. (I knew when I cast it that if Lexa flipped scum, I’d have detractors on me. But I done it anyway). I hadn’t gotten any scum vibes from them, but I believed Mumbles claim. I mean who’s gonna claim Doc like that as scum?

Mumbles was sure Lexa was scum.

Then enter Mulch. I know Mulch fairly well and trust his reads fairly well and I know he’s an asset as town.
Plus I’ve seen and been the recipient of his death tunnel. Mulch was sure Lexa was scum.

I felt like the Lexa claim was weak at best and came at a weird time. So I figured there was a decent chance Lexa could flip scum.
But mainly it would reveal a lot of info IMO.

Had Lexa flipped green, then Mulch would have been in a bad spot to me.

I haven’t had a chance to go back and look at who dodged the Lexa wagon or defended Lexa but I’ll get to that hopefully as my work day progresses. But I feel like that’s a good place to start.

[Havo]

Luca how do you feel about Havo's vote on Lexa?

I think my vote is the one that got the momentum back going and actually caused the lynch.

Would have been very easy for me to push in another direction there if I were scum.

And if I were scum I would have probably pushed the other wagon. I had already said Lexa hadn’t pinged me.

[Havo]

I think my vote is the one that got the momentum back going and actually caused the lynch.

Oh ffs. First Luca...now you.

Anyone else want credit for lynching the person I fcuking cased then tunneled all day long after rvs? Lol....

Take a pill dude.

Yes you get plenty of credit IMO for being on Lexa so hard.
It takes more than one tho. Im just saying I think it could have went either way and my vote got it rolling again.

[Havo]

Take a pill dude

It takes a village.

So anyway...looking forward to what you glean from the flip.

I’ve analyzed to page 13 atm.

Some very interesting stuff comes to light.

Feel pretty good About it. Will post more later.

[Havo]

Take a pill dude

It takes a village.

So anyway...looking forward to what you glean from the flip.

I’ve analyzed to page 13 atm.

Some very interesting stuff comes to light.

Feel pretty good About it. Will post more later.

Up to 21. Back to work now. More in a couple of hours.

[Havo]

@Fitz

I’m up to 31. Pretty sure I have it solved.
Will post a comprehensive reason after I finish.

In the mean time ........

I want your thoughts on Awoo and RB please.

[Havo]

Caught up

Incoming

[Havo]

This is from my tablet so forgive me. .......


Hers where I’m at.


Fitz - Locktown for posts 51, 451, 498, 1165. Nailed Lexa from the get go. Great job.

Eddie Cain - Locktown for posts 353, 592, 507, 592, 787, 922, Lexa post 376 money ball.

Fissure - Heavy town for posts 1070, 1076 sings to me, 1078, 1089, 1209. Would be lock town but I know Mulch is capable of scum bussing here but I seriously doubt it.

NSG - Hard town for 67, 94, 237 beautiful. 997, 1007 great,

Alex - Solid town for 126, 276 nice, 1134

Papa Z - Solid town for 340, 514, 591, 687, 1228

Luca - leaning slight town for 393, 495, 1037, 1045 but don’t like 1004,
Dodged Lexa wagon 178,
Defended Lexa 481 post 815 was mid pack on Lexas reads

RB - leaning slight scum for 611, 837, 1220 WTF? 667 pinged me town tho.
Dodged Lexa wagon 281,
Defended Lexa 170, 176,188, 189, 194, 264, Post 815 was mid pack on Lexas reads

Awoo - Scum. Heavy scum for 284, 667, 865, 1016, 1174, 1177,
Dodged lexa wagon on 53, 127, 201, 240, 262, 292,
Defended Lexa on 150, 167, was never FOSd by Lexa. Post 815 is mid pack on Lexas reads.

Cedrick. - Ugh - scummy for 440, 473 WTF, 522, 605 WTF, 693, townie post 466
Dodged Lexa wagon 62, 527,
Defended Lexa 179, 426, 428, 452, 461, 537, 574, stopped counting here. was mid pack on Lexas reads.

Havo - Town
Dodged Lexa wagon 250, 469
Defended Lexa 302, 454 was mid pack on Lexas reads.

[Havo]

I think scum is definitely in

Luca, RB, Awoo and Cedrick

I think Ced had a terrible day 1. He defended Lexa so hard I believe he is actually just bad town right now.

I hate The Awoo slot. Pinged my gut early Day 1 on my wagon and just reads is scum to me.

I would be down with lynching from that pool.

VOTE: Awoo

[Havo]

Post is useless since you didn’t use post tags.

Yeah sorry. I haven’t learned yet. Maybe I can redo it tonight when I get to my laptop.
I need to learn how to use that and some other stuff.

But I don’t think it’s useless.

[Havo]

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Yeah see I agree with this too much

Lexa is not scummy too me.

Cedrick just laid down 2 extremely town posts.

Mumbles is the only one scummy to me but that’s usually how I read him.

VOTE: mumbles

I thought I explained it pretty clearly.

You laid down a couple of posts that were quite towny to me so I took my cot off of you.

Mumbles was scummy to me so I placed my vote there instead. But Mumbles always seems scummy to me.

Just like Tacos. So I don’t trust my day 1 reads very much on either.

[Havo]

Yeah but you as scum could easily explain your actions clearly. That’s not a good defense

Just put [ post ] # [ /post ]

So like 1327 is your post.

That’ll be a pain in the arse but I can do it.

Shouldn’t take but 20/30 minutes.

[Havo]

Yeah but you as scum could easily explain your actions clearly. That’s not a good defense

And I would think if you always read him as scummy you’d be more aware of that and not vote him day 1.

U think maybe that’s why I talked myself out of voting him?

[Havo]

EBWOP

This is from my tablet so forgive me. .......


Hers where I’m at.


Fitz - Locktown for posts 51, 451, 498, 1165. Nailed Lexa from the get go. Great job.

Eddie Cain - Locktown for posts 353, 592, 507, 592, 787, 922, Lexa post 376 money ball.

Fissure - Heavy town for posts 1070, 1076 sings to me, 1078, 1089, 1209. Would be lock town but I know Mulch is capable of scum bussing here but I seriously doubt it.

NSG - Hard town for 67, 94, 237 beautiful. 997, 1007 great,

Alex - Solid town for 126, 276 nice, 1134

Papa Z - Solid town for 340, 514, 591, 687, 1228

Luca - leaning slight town for 393, 495, 1037, 1045 but don’t like 1004,
Dodged Lexa wagon 178,
Defended Lexa 481 post 815 was mid pack on Lexas reads

RB - leaning slight scum for 611, 837, 1220 WTF? 667 pinged me town tho.
Dodged Lexa wagon 281,
Defended Lexa 170, 176,188, 189, 194, 264, Post 815 was mid pack on Lexas reads

Awoo - Scum. Heavy scum for 284, 667, 865, 1016, 1174, 1177,
Dodged lexa wagon on 53, 127, 201, 240, 262, 292,
Defended Lexa on 150, 167, was never FOSd by Lexa. Post 815 is mid pack on Lexas reads.

Cedrick. - Ugh - scummy for 440, 473 WTF, 522, 605 WTF, 693, townie post 466
Dodged Lexa wagon 62, 527,
Defended Lexa 169, 426, 428, 452, 461, 537, 574, stopped counting here. was mid pack on Lexas reads.

Havo - Town
Dodged Lexa wagon 250, 469
Defended Lexa 302, 454 was mid pack on Lexas reads.

[Havo]

EBWOP,

misprinted a post, i put 169 but it is 179

Defended Lexa 179,

[Havo]

I might as well just come out and say this now. I am a one-shot Gunsmith and last night I used my ability on Awoo and was told he does not have a gun.

Now either he is a Mafia Doctor, which appears unlikely given there was no vig kill, or a Traitor (which I guess is possible?) or he's Town. The reason I haven't been going for him today is because he simply has less chance of being scum based on this result.

Checking your ISO, you were scum leaning Awoo.

I see no reason for you to make this play as scum so at the moment I'll take it as true.

Would like to hear others opinions on it though.

[Havo]

VOTE: Unvote

[Havo]

@nsg that’s a dumb question. Every other cop is possible just not an inno/guilty cop

Who first brought up traitors?

I believe it was Luca when he revealed he was the GS.

1371

[Havo]

Oh snap!

Damn I had Eddie Locktown.

And Awoo damn near lock scum.

Smh.

[Havo]

Wow number also bussed lexa

Jesus

I’m learning that scum bussing on this site is crazy high.

I guess that explains people obsession with it.

[Havo]

I’ll post in the morning.

I feel better now about scum reading Awoo.

[Havo]

Well I’m in no different place than I was yesterday with reads.

I think PZ is town.

I think Awoo could be scum, if it’s not Awoo I’d think RB.

But I can understand the FOS against me also, just glad we are way ahead at this point.

[Havo]

Oh and btw, I’m not the Vig.

If I were I would have taken the same shot tho. Lol.

[Havo]

I'm not convinced; Fissure replaced into a slot which had a real chance of being lynched. I think if he is scum then pushing Lexa was the optimal move in that position; Cane was already bussing (although not in vote form at the time) and it meant whoever of them survives looks better for it. I got the feeling Lexa was basically accepting of being lynched as well - there was no fight from him to save himself. Not to mention the fact there was no guarantee Fissure's bussing of Lexa would actually see him lynched.

Perhaps enough to give Fissure the benefit of the doubt for now, but not much more than that. I was sure of Fissure being Town after the Lexa flip, but now we know how Cane played v Lexa it would not surprise me at all if the other scum bussed similarly.

I agree with this. But I think there’s better suspects.

[Havo]

VOTE: RB

[Havo]

I think I'm overthinking this game. My thing with Havo is that 1238 hit me as being a really weird vote based on them having a town read on Lexa most of the day and it seems like it could be a bus? Buuuut they could have just as easily joined the fissure wagon which did have equal votes at the time. But then I could see scum motivation for not wanting to be on that wagon either? So really I think I've just overthought everything and Havo might not be my "top lynch" for today. I wouldn't mind seeing other people's thoughts on that vote though.

But I dunno. PZ probably makes sense as scum. 1181 looks really bad in retrospect.

Probably leaning more towards a PZ lynch I guess VOTE: Papa Zito

Well I see your point but my explanation is pretty simple.

I wasn’t really town reading Lexa as much as I WASN’T scum reading him. He was getting a lot of pressure and I believed Mumbles claim more. So a Lexa flip would reveal good info IMO. As opposed to a less controversial slot.
Plus with the entrance of Mulch, he was blasting that slot and I really wanted to see if he was correctly reading it.

I don’t put a lot of stock I’m my Day 1 reads anyway so I’m willing to lynch anyone I’m not Hard TRing.

I don’t see PZ being scum here but what do I know? He could be.

[Havo]

I feel like this day has lost all momentum from the first two days.

I think most people not named rb, Havo or Papa Zito are suspecting rb, Havo or Papa Zito.

Papa Zito is v/la another day or two.
rb has just fcuking punted this game apparently.
Havo's around. Ok.

So I'll vote any of these three to progress the game either to a scum lynch or the next wagon in line.

Ha...p.edit.

Good luck rb.

Just another normal day at the office here. On this site I mean.

Why PZ over RB?

[Havo]

I think the thing with RB as well is that 1218 is an unnecessary bus IMO if he's scum. Similar to how I view Havo's vote on Lexa from D1. Like could be a bus? But also not super necessary and I think he easily could have voted elsewhere.
And PZ bailing on Lexa wagon seems more dodgy looking back.

That dodge vote is the only thing that stands out to me on him. I definitely noticed it. Just kinda gave him the benefit of the doubt. I could be giving him too much credit based on my Day 1 interaction with him.

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

Let me ask you this.

What were your thoughts of RB before he replaced out?

And what are your thoughts on Maki since replacing in?

[Havo]

I dont see Luca's claim being fake or from scum.
The fact we had a second nk makes his claim even more believable.

[Havo]

Aw man I thought I was replacing into a scum slot what a buzz kill

What made you think this?

Are you saying you read the thread and was convinced RB was scum?

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

Let me ask you this.

What were your thoughts of RB before he replaced out?

And what are your thoughts on Maki since replacing in?

[Havo]

There's not really any benefit for the 1 shot vig to claim right now and I have no idea why we're acting like we should

anyway I need to read scum isos

Wat?

You seem quite confident that the Vig is one shot.

Also the benefit is that it would clear that spot. If it is one shot then they already shot.

If they’re 2 shot then why not make this point yourself?

If I were the Vig I would claim unless i had another shot.

I’m good with my vote here.

[Havo]

Also your vote isn't on me Havo
glad to be playing with you again

Uh, yeah it is.

And thanks, me too.

[Havo]

claim pr btw

Oh brother.

[Havo]

There's not really any benefit for the 1 shot vig to claim right now and I have no idea why we're acting like we should

anyway I need to read scum isos

Wat?

You seem quite confident that the Vig is one shot.

Also the benefit is that it would clear that spot. If it is one shot then they already shot.

If they’re 2 shot then why not make this point yourself?

If I were the Vig I would claim unless i had another shot.

I’m good with my vote here.

Luca said 1 shot vig so I assumed it was 1 shot vig *shrug* Also yes it does "clear a slot" but that makes interactions weird with that slot from then on. The vig will claim if they're at L-1 and that's all we really need to do if the vig slot isn't clear there's a chance they can hide avoid NK etc yes if they claim they'll be clear but they'll claim at one point yeah? Why does it need to be now

I’m not a very good player. So IF by chance you are town, maybe after the game you could explain this to me like I’m 5 years old. I would welcome the education. But as of now I disagree with this opinion in this situation.

[Havo]

Sure!
Anyway I'm nurse

.....Havo heads to the Wiki ........

[Havo]

rb was on fitz if that helps

Hmmm....

VOTE: unvote

For now.

[Havo]

/replace

in hospital

as a skeleton i know a thing or two about being undead

Do these look like crumbs to anyone else?

[Havo]

Wat the Wat?!?! Lol

[Havo]

Also of 5 games I played in my faction lost every time, until this one, which I managed to win.

Lol. Nice.

[Havo]

Havo lets have that talk on the vig claiming cause vig claiming there would've been dumb for town

Yes. So you don’t think clearing the Vig would be worth it with just one scum left?

[Havo]

maf.
I wasn't lying when I thought I was replacing into a scum slot

didn't expect a 2nd watcher shot shame.

Yeah I feel good about my read on RB then.

[Havo]

Vt here. 15 th time out of 17 games.