[1977] Exile Island: Chapter 2 (Day)

[MariaR]

It's my job to get to the bottom of this dirty crime so they can do the time. Haha! Good one Emily.

[MariaR]

Hey guys. I'm Evan... Well, shall we work to get to the bottom of this?

This is my first suspect. VOTE: Diamond

If someone can tell me why, I'll give town points to them.

I don't have suspects, but what I do have are leads. If you're good enough maybe we can compare notes.
VOTE: bins

[MariaR]

Normally people who act vulgar like you are really the virgins themselves you know.

takes out notepad

so is it true Ms Iruma?

[MariaR]

Hm I disagree with a lot of the statements said already we need to do better to got the good dirty details here.
I don't think making hypocritical statements is really scummy as Chickadee is saying but I do understand where they're coming from. I thought Dimond's entrance felt a bit forced but maybe they don't roleplay as much and that's why it was forced.
What I want to know is

takes out pen

MS IRUMA

how did you get those townreads of yours?
VOTE: Ms iruma

[MariaR]

Solution: get over it

[MariaR]

VOTE: K&K
Hot take this and Chika are both scum

[MariaR]

i should have reads now :/

You should!
I've been half paying attention and I have reads, why dont you?

Why is someone not having reads scummy? Some people take time to get just because you get them in 2 seconds doesn't mean someone is scummy I don't see why scum sheep just says "oh I should read I don't have reads I need to read the thread" do you think that's his gameplan or?

VOTE: sheep
This however is scum, i had just told my other head about it but Kokichi seems MIA, so I might as well take the handle of the hydra for now.
Also chicka is being even townier.
Also Miu ignored my question.

How is chika towny

[MariaR]

VOTE: Sheep Hows that "catch-up" going? Do you ever plan on contributing some actual content?

Pressure votes are useless unless this is a sr then let's talk about it chica

[MariaR]

Like I've been sitting on my Chickdee sr ever since there first post waiting to see how chick is town and I haven't seen anything that would show she's towny.

[MariaR]

Can we talk about productive things? Like the fact that something of power is hidden, or that people have already been stating reads, or that Diamond is apparently ok with two policy lynches, or that Sheep has the most posts and claims not to have read a single thing?

Like this is the only post of chika that made me say "hey this is kinda towny" but that's it so I'm like...

la la la

[MariaR]

same

maria townread
maria what’s ur read on funnstral
funnstral MIA = scumstral

pretty sure MIA dunn is NAI atm for reasons I can't go into

[MariaR]

Hi, it's been brought to my attention that I had meant to inform you all about part of the setup, and did not do so. The OP will be updated with this information.

Spoiler: Setup

This game's setup is

4 Mafia

7 Townies

[/spoiler]

I didn't know I signed up for mlyo part 2 REEEEEEEE

[MariaR]

btw
I request I hammer any votes we do thank you.

[MariaR]

by smalltown i refer to this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Smalltown

Oh cool so this is what the set up is I see

[MariaR]

I didn't know I signed up for mlyo part 2 REEEEEEEE

7 townies, 7 to lynch......
You're right ugh

13p assuming ML today and scum cant NK 12p tomorrow which is also 7 to lynch but 6 town, I dont even...

eh mling 7 townies is easy to do watch me do it this ^_~

[MariaR]

wtf are like half of your roles.
Also does this mean Aero is in the game-no wait that's stupid

[MariaR]

btw chika I see your answer to me and I'll get to you in like an hour I'm just not in the mood rn

[MariaR]

Guess who slid down a hill on her way to work and slammed into a pole

this gal time to get the big scoop and catch up

[MariaR]

My head is killing me (and my side) I'm not in the mood to read zz

[MariaR]

Alright I can make time for this before I spend 40 minutes in a nice relaxing shower

[MariaR]

I think this early in the game, pressure votes are fine. But I genuinely don't like the way Sheep reacted to me asking them for content. They basically brushed me off, and still aren't posting anything significant, aside from one post saying you're town. And yet, Sheep has the most posts. I do find it kind of scummy, but it's like base level scummy. Clogging and inflating the thread with useless stuff is a pretty good tactic for scum to get people to gloss over things or become uninvested. I would say Sheep is null scum right now, but it's the best I have to go on so far.

(I know this was days ago so maybe an update if you still feel this way but I'll answer it anyway) I feel like looking at sheeps posts on paper or face value yes, you won't see much they're not doing much of anything but to me it feels more carefree then trying to tactfully clog the thread (plus I don't know if scum sheep would really go for that style) I think not having reads is towny (as already stated) I do suggest sheep just post any feelings they have even if they consider it minor

Ohey, the first actual point of conversation worth mentioning in the first 4 pages!
Well, kind of. Sheeps is NAI but also bad play. DS is NAI but also bad play. Reads are Meh and very cursory, nothing to them much. Hidden power will reveal itself eventually, so why worry about it? Not actually much of a conversation, but framed as if to make Chick look productive. They said as much themselves.
You get a scumlean

I don't know how I feel about this? It feels like Ari is looking way too much into this because I did understand Chick wanting to...well do more and the tone of the comment I just didn't really find it AI at all so I'm curious to figure out how you thought it more "Chick wanting to look like they're doing something" compared to "Chick just wanting to get the show on the road"

tries to read a dimond post
sees it as just more shit talking
moves on

Ooooo Maria is town! <3

Nani? (aka what?) I'll take "How to explain your answers for 300 alex"

Getting dunn and bins to post content is like pulling teeth I swear...

If it's 4:7:2, there's likely something that balances it out for town. I would guess that one of the "third party" isn't strictly town-aligned, but has at least a partially town wincon or is highly incentivized to work with town.

Of course, that still only puts us at 4:8:1, roughly, but that's a much easier game for town than 4:7:2.

I don't think this is something we should really worry on or put a big focus on I trust the mod has made this balanced in some way shape or forum, for now, we should just keep on playing mafia like it's a normal game if we try to stay on set up spec it'll most likely put us on a wrong path then a correct one.

I'm thinking Ari might be scum, but I have a bad tendency of scum reading people who scum read me, so I'm glad you voted Ari KxK

What's dif between me and Ari (considering we both sr you)

Really like the though processes of both here:
Kaede x Kokichi
MariaR

Too bad MariaR is scum this game.

Your tone needs a bit of work friend.

[MariaR]

Right now half the playerlist is barely posting and I just want them to post at this point it's easy to scumread people who are posting because more posts=more things you can see that you dislike I don't feel 100% locking anyone into scum yet until we get people to play some mafia (I know that's hard but you can try I believe in you )

now if you'll excuse me time for a nice shower

[MariaR]

I refuse to believe that pagetop is unrelated...I want to go hunting for this POWER

NOT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[MariaR]

I don't really have much to say about this gamestate atm so I guess prod of the dodge

[MariaR]

although I will say I don't think much of what's dunn posted is AI at all he's nullscum for me

[MariaR]

Maria do you still think Miu is scum?

zzzzzz
h-huh HUH EMILY DIDN'T DO IT-oh hi

uhhh no I don't may I ask why you asked this line of questioning?

[MariaR]

uhhh no I don't may I ask why you asked this line of questioning?

Because I noticed within 2 posts you voted her then me. But, she was pushing on me by then I believe, so it would be a weird jump to make from her to us, considering she was your original scum read. Why did you originally scum read her? What changed your mind? And then what makes your 'hot take' of Chikadee and us being scum? I don't believe you've outed much reads since then.

Hm I disagree with a lot of the statements said already we need to do better to got the good dirty details here.
I don't think making hypocritical statements is really scummy as Chickadee is saying but I do understand where they're coming from. I thought Dimond's entrance felt a bit forced but maybe they don't roleplay as much and that's why it was forced.
What I want to know is

takes out pen

MS IRUMA

how did you get those townreads of yours?
VOTE: Ms iruma

VOTE: K&K
Hot take this and Chika are both scum

I believe it was just gut I don't fully remember but then I found something I did enjoy and I have outted reads I just don't think you've been reading my posts that much

[MariaR]

Oh hey what's up Nero

[MariaR]

Kaede how do you feel this game? What are your reads do you and Kokichi disagree on anything? What are you confident on?
You feel very frozen this game normally you seem a lot more active and posting but here it feels even more timid then before

[MariaR]

I'll have a much better time reading you since Kokichi is just...well Kokichi

[MariaR]

VOTE: K&K
Hot take this and Chika are both scum

Why can't Chick just be getting pocketed?

Is that your line of thinking? Also I don't get how you got "chick being pocketed" from my posts. I sr Chika from her own play same as K/K

[MariaR]

Never stop failing Maria.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN...

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
I need to hammer votes.

[MariaR]

Also I don't get how you got "chick being pocketed" from my posts.

b/c I didn't say you said that. I think its just as equally possible (and likely more) that Chick is just getting buddied by scum. I haven't seen an explanation for why she thinks KxK is town so I've either not gotten to it, skimmed over it or there isn't one. If she wants to try to save KxK ahe can talk about it and try to convince me and others that Dunn is a better lynch today.

I simply disagree but Chick is active and posting so it shouldn't be too hard

[MariaR]

Kaede how do you feel this game? What are your reads do you and Kokichi disagree on anything? What are you confident on?
You feel very frozen this game normally you seem a lot more active and posting but here it feels even more timid then before

I feel like there's too much "something of power" talk and not much AI stuff generally going on.
I told kokichi i'd lynch Dunn but he doesnt want to.
He thinks you're scum and I don't trust myself to read you.
I am having second thoughts on Art, but idk, Koki agreed with me when I showed him this: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67747&p=8214771#p8214771
back then I had checked and Art was posting in other games and not here until he got prodded, but he became fairly active since then.
Miu's town due to thinking early game that there was a 3 people scumteam then it got revealed that it was a 4 ppl scumteam.
I've not been frozen but I've been letting Kokichi do most of the hydra handling coz I dont trust myself to not lose my sanity with people wanting to lynch us for practically no reason, and i'm just relaying my thoughts to him.

See the problem I have with you guys is a lot of Kokichi's posting on stuff he should've learned by now from other games
pushing people for hypocritical statements not engaging with his scumreads etc it's just a ton of shading and posting reads with no thought process or game solving in any of the posts it's why I want you to post cause I can't tell if kokichi is being...annoying or scum

[MariaR]

You should have more confidence in yourself Kaede ^_^ Even if you're not that confident in your reads it'd really help me if you posted more of your thoughts then just going through Kokichi

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
I need to hammer votes.

Bringing attention to this

Do you intend to hammer this?

I'm giving them a day to post thoughts etc but yes

Intent to hammer

[MariaR]

I am

[MariaR]

....hm

[MariaR]

a cop slot resolves itself even though I still think this is scum because Kokichi's play is quite scum motivated along with the fear mong he's trying to do

[MariaR]

sigh maybe Kokichi is just being annoying.

[MariaR]

Them being the only wagon with no counter wagon is....eh but I figured scum could bus with 4 members for cred. Still let's look elsewhere

[MariaR]

tldr on dreal scum?

[MariaR]

i know this is sort of weird but maria does ur role relate to your flavour

...Um yes I kinda slipped about it a few times cause I thought everyone else did too.

[MariaR]

Kokichi not even pushing his reads or explaining=scum

I didn't even think that we have to let them live until day 3 for a result

[MariaR]

I feel if Kokichi or Kaede were town they'd want to engage with me
and Kokichi has been right about scum me before at least for 3/4ths of the game so I feel like he'd be pushing me harder if he really thought I was scum
hell I've been waiting for it

[MariaR]

Look at all these posts of trying to engage with MariaR, especially 406, 412, 441, 568. She's just lied about us not trying to engage with her.

Said you not Kaede

[MariaR]

Would hammer KaedexKokichi now his reaction is trash and Kaede isn't being obv town it's just very...fake

[MariaR]

he's trying to make sure I can't hammer

[MariaR]

If you're town you deserve it but I don't think you are tbh.
Pedit: Yeah

[MariaR]

If you're town you deserve it

?
I still never understood the point of the wagon on us, felt like that random lolwagon from magical girls.

I feel like you guys would've engaged me more (Kaede) if Kokichi really did sr me he'd be more confident until I said something and he'd say why I was scum but he's not doing anything just saying I am scum a lot of people tr me so I feel like town him would explain why I am scum but he's not doing that at all he's just throwing shade and seems frozen scum

[MariaR]

I can read Kokichi pretty well

[MariaR]

I engaged you as soon as you asked me to, but I ultimately left reading you to Kokichi due to trusting him to read you accurately more, I engaged you when you asked and got no reply out of it, which made me trust kokichi's SR on your slot even more, one thing I dont agree much with the drealz SR, i've misread him twice before already for playing like this.

I did answer you?????

[MariaR]

Kaede how do you feel this game? What are your reads do you and Kokichi disagree on anything? What are you confident on?
You feel very frozen this game normally you seem a lot more active and posting but here it feels even more timid then before

I feel like there's too much "something of power" talk and not much AI stuff generally going on.
I told kokichi i'd lynch Dunn but he doesnt want to.
He thinks you're scum and I don't trust myself to read you.
I am having second thoughts on Art, but idk, Koki agreed with me when I showed him this: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67747&p=8214771#p8214771
back then I had checked and Art was posting in other games and not here until he got prodded, but he became fairly active since then.
Miu's town due to thinking early game that there was a 3 people scumteam then it got revealed that it was a 4 ppl scumteam.
I've not been frozen but I've been letting Kokichi do most of the hydra handling coz I dont trust myself to not lose my sanity with people wanting to lynch us for practically no reason, and i'm just relaying my thoughts to him.

I was answering this quote in question

[MariaR]

Maria is lying when she says she can read me. I've only ever been town. Impossible for her to have a read on me when I've only been town.

=Kokichi

Now look who the one lying is or would you like me to say you know what?

[MariaR]

What I dont understand is why did u expect me to be more active when I was sick in an hydra, or with a random lolwagon popping out on me, which is the same thing that caused me to rep out of magical girls.

I was kinda expecting you to be more active cause you were in mlyo and that's what my thoughts were on

[MariaR]

I don't know why I'm trying to argue with lynched scum who doesn't want me to get my powers it's like talking to a wall.
Pedit: I'm so close to doing it don't try me Kokichi I will do it

[MariaR]

What I dont understand is why did u expect me to be more active when I was sick in an hydra, or with a random lolwagon popping out on me, which is the same thing that caused me to rep out of magical girls.

I was kinda expecting you to be more active cause you were in mlyo and that's what my thoughts were on

Wasnt i scum in mylo tho?

ye!
Pedit: good info
Pedit2; What makes this bad posting scum dreal compared to just...bad rp dreal can you walk me through that.

[MariaR]

I was starting to doubt myself until Kokichi scum claimed again for reasons I can't say
he knows why

[MariaR]

at least we agree on something.
Pedit: So he's an asshole or scum.

[MariaR]

Anyway I have dnd to play.

gg u2 let's play again sometime you tried your best~

[MariaR]

uhhhhh

[MariaR]

i don't know if it was scum motivated (I'm bias cause I voted Chick) I thought she'd be a prime nightkill target and I thought voting her to exile would protect her.

[MariaR]

you both are dicks

[MariaR]

Can't tell if me wanting to vote both dreal and Dimond is from dislike or they're scummy
let me re read

[MariaR]

@Mod Prod on Snarky please?

[MariaR]

i don't know if it was scum motivated (I'm bias cause I voted Chick) I thought she'd be a prime nightkill target and I thought voting her to exile would protect her.

Also let it be known I still somewhat sr check but besides what I think a lot of people tr her so I was hoping I was wrong in some regard
the ari vote is blah Ari is town

[MariaR]

Nero me NM Dunk Ari town.
Leaves: Sheep Bins Snarky Chick Dreal Dimond

leaves 4 scum 2 town in that. hrm

[MariaR]

VOTE: Dreal
I think I can do this

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
you know I could just say I'd vote em instead of voting them.

(Still need to hammer votes god dam Kaede Kokichi)

would hammer Dreal>Dimond>Bins in that order atm
Pedit: Give me like 5 minutes to grab a soda I'll explain

[MariaR]

would you believe me if I said gut?

No a lot of it has to do with I've seen stubborn town you before and I've been partners with scum you before here it just feels like you're projecting your emotions outward to warrant a sr on someone (the dimond vote for example) it seems like you're salty you're getting sr over someone you think isn't doing much and that's an action scum you would take. This isn't stubborn anti town dreal that I know this is scum dreal trying to slip by and warrant sr's on people.

I don't want this day to end before snarky gets back but I'd be shocked if 1 scum wasn't in dreal/dimond
Pedit: Nope

[MariaR]

Bins is more of a gut sr that feels like frozen wolf is the best way I can explain that read

[MariaR]

aaaaaa ate my weakness

[MariaR]

Am I that big a tryhard to go check that turbo to see if this is scum sheep?
...Nope

[MariaR]

did you misplay or do that to your SCUM PARTNER HUH?
Bet you didn't see that coming Ari.

[MariaR]

nghhhh
ok I wanna hammer dimond over dreal now

[MariaR]

bins is also probably town

help on this one

[MariaR]

good vote

[MariaR]

I don't...really know what to say

[MariaR]

I think our mod flaked

[MariaR]

ha...I knew that