Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Firebringer]

Ginngie isn’t scum at all tho.
I know that about this game.

[Ether]

Day 4, Votecount 5

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Confusion never stops
Skimming walls and lynching cops
Gonna read back and take things slow
I've been no help, I just don't know

-[

Clocks,

Coldplay

]

2 Firebringer (implosion, Firebringer)
2 Kmd4390 (Chara, UnaBombaH)
1 Ginngie (Cheetory6)
1 Patrick (Ginngie)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Kmd4390, Patrick, Spiffeh)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-23 01:00:00), on Friday, February 23 at 1:00 am EST.

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[Patrick]

I disagree with Kmd on pretty much everything of relevance this game, but think he's town.

[Ginngie]

Ginngie what's the most dramatic scumgame you've ever had.

There are only two that qualify and both only become dramatic in LyLo

I fake guilties a lot as scum in LyLo because well, it's LyLo and GG.

When it's not LyLo however I'm V fucking cautious and I will try to never claim the entire game.

[Ginngie]

actually Ari bro

why is it that you no longer doing the pushing of me?

[Aristophanes]

That's a new misspelling of my name, appreciate you taking it for a spin.

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of the post quoted by Firebringer either. On some level it blows my mind that some people were talking about what would happen if Toranaga flipped town and Ginngie were also to flip town, but he wasn't the only one, so.

I shouldjust stop phonposting...

I was theorizing in case Ginngie was lying. I don't see what is wrongwith that?

[Ginngie]

but like

the fake guilty

means I lied

about a guilty

so I lied

[Aristophanes]

actually Ari bro

why is it that you no longer doing the pushing of me?

Your reaction when you came in and Eddie dying gave me pause. I want to give you a chance to do something before deciding

[Aristophanes]

but like

the fake guilty

means I lied

about a guilty

so I lied

Right, and you are realistically the proper lynch today. Do I want that this second? Nope.

[Kmd4390]

Cheet who should I vote other than Ginngie?

[Cheetory6]

Surprised Mathdino doesn't have an opinion on the matter.

[Kmd4390]

Surprised Mathdino doesn't have an opinion on the matter.

He does but he was wrong on cabd...

He says it's Chara. Has unabomb as town. Firebringer 100% town. Patrick and Aris as town who won't be NKd and says don't let them be lynched. Said power roles should check in { Chara, spiff, cheet, implosion, myself, Ginngie}

[Cheetory6]

Said power roles should check in { Chara, spiff,

cheet

, implosion, myself, Ginngie}

Lol.

[Kmd4390]

Cheet who should I vote other than Ginngie?

[Cheetory6]

to be clear, my point with the last post is that 3357 isn't a scumpost.

I don't really agree?
Like, scumImplo is going to come into today probably actually a little pissed at how bad that was, even if it benefited him.
In Civ Mafia, town did shitty things that I benefited from, but I still felt some degree of annoyance as to how badly they were playing.
If I'm scum here, you can bet your ass I'm going to use how I'm actually feeling about the gamestate to benefit me through my play and I'm guessing implosion probably does the same here?

I might just be behind the curve on townImplo and need to put the work in, but he was probably my best bet going into D3 so I'll probably start with efforting there when I have time and don't feel like killing myself while looking at this game.

Chara, Spiff and Ari read town off reactions to guilty.
Patrick is still probably town.
Kind of trust RC/Transcend's read on Una/Una's play seems more weird than scummy to me [plus Spiff gets to be wrong about everything if he's town so that's a plus].

Still kind of think KMD/Firebringer are town? But I can work on quantifying that in next day or so.
Uh.
Ginngie's probably a must-lynch in the next 2-3 days just in case this was all a fucking terrible scumMastina ploy to get to endgame off of pity.

That's where I'm at atm.

[Kmd4390]

Why was Chara's reaction town? If you don't have a scum read, I'll probably just listen to Mathdino and he wants to Lynch Chara. He also says it's important we pay attention to his town Bloc.

[Cheetory6]

He's saying that a PR should investigate me and thought Cabd was town.
Lol.

Gotta listen to this guy.

For Chara, I think there's been a huge consistency to their play that especially stands out in isolation from how low-impact they might seem in the context of a game with a ton of loud voices in it.
I can believe that Elli told Chara to focus on a single player and that they tried to take that approach this game/the push there reminded me of its push on Aeronaut in Pokemon Sapphire.
Might be worth looking back into their stance on Mulch/Assemble later on during D1.
The diplomatic/peacemaking stuff from today is also stuff I've seen from townChara.

Overall I'm not going to just drop a read because mathdino tells me to, especially when he's been assbackwards about everything so far this game.
Tell him to actually drop some reasoning or I really don't care what he has to say.

[Cheetory6]

And for Chara's reaction specifically yesterday, I feel like being around and posting during that period would be hard for scum and I think Chara might be more likely to coast it out?
I would probably have coasted it out as scum.

[Cheetory6]

Also don't really understand what changed between here and here:

He does but he was wrong on cabd...

If you don't have a scum read, I'll probably just listen to Mathdino and he wants to Lynch Chara

[Cheetory6]

Also why are you trying to sheep me while also pushing me getting investigated??????

[Kmd4390]

Checking you wouldn't be the worst idea, actually. No one seems to have a clue who is scum and one possible reason for that is that everyone is townreading the last scum. You're also third on that list, not first.

The cabd read only was 20% related to this game.

As far as Chara, I asked because I'm considering voting there and wanted to know why you have him as town, not to get you to drop your read. I don't buy consistency as a town tell. I don't see why if he was going to take Elli's approach to this game, he'd change his mind as town. And I don't have the meta you do.

I also want to point out the only thing I remember him being wrong on was cabd. He got mulch right. He was better than I was on Kagami and Eddie. And if unabomb turns out to be town, he got me there too. Tora is the only one I was more sure of than him and even that he had right.

Let me go back and see what he said about Chara and I'll get back to you.

Preview edit: what changed is he's been posting in our team's PT and doesn't seem to have lost any confidence.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. The bulk of the case can't be posted here. But Mathdino wants to point out that Chara DID have incentive to quickly check Tora as scum because one of our questions to Tora had been Almost50s take on Chara's play.

And he wants me to point out that his list was ordered. The only reason for an investigative to check you is if Chara/spiff are lynched or cleared and the game isn't over yet.

Vote Chara

I'm gonna trust this for now.

[Cheetory6]

I'd love for Math to expand on his reasoning for why I'm #3 on his list.
(:

[Cheetory6]

But Mathdino wants to point out that Chara DID have incentive to quickly check Tora as scum because one of our questions to Tora had been Almost50s take on Chara's play.

Literally nobody doubted the guilty yesterday.
This is a garbage reason to scumread Chara.

[implosion]

I'm pretty skeptical of trying to read deeply in to most reactions yesterday just since scum would have known it was faked and could have seen it as an opportunity to fake a good reaction. Though there were a couple that pinged me as town, e.g. una iirc.

(not really directly related to that but)

I feel a bit better on Ari after his flip on me. I

think

scum-ari doesn't fake that. I also sort of think scum-ari would have stopped beating the dead horse of "there's no way in hell i'd pick scum".