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reading; the amount of anime in this game is scientifically terminal
first impression of dunnstral isn't the b-
ah thats just unfortunateIn post 116, Maki Harukawa wrote:
∾ ♥ ∾♥∾ ♥ ∾
Sir Dunnstral,
I-I didn't want to be at this dance in the first place but.
You're not the worst person to be around.
So aslong as I'm here
Will you dance with me?
~Maki Harukawa
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a lady after my heartIn post 123, xRECKONERx wrote:
1) Meta sucksIn post 103, Alisae wrote:I don't characteristicly take Reck to offer sheep like that right away tbh.
2) You have no idea what I characteristically do
3) Anime sucks and sheep was the first person w/out an anime avatar I saw while scrolling thruI swear I'm trying my best
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alisae's attack on reck felt weak and opportunistic, and their prompt, spineless backpedal and backdown to reck's refutation reveals how poorly founded and weak their attack was on reck. giving this anime weeb +10 poop pointsI swear I'm trying my best
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reck doesn't have an anime avatar
b) reck's play feels authentic and sincere as of so far
c) his frustration over alisae's posting style felt townie and real
d) post #240 is townspeak
rusty nutsIn post 324, Antihero wrote:i feel rustyI swear I'm trying my best
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enough. we were on the scummy committee so i know him a bit. played with him a fair shareIn post 331, Antihero wrote:how familiar are you w reck, venmar?
also of the mind that reck's meta HAS changed since I last played with him so my read isn't meta-basedI swear I'm trying my best
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negatory, the high command does not approve of this moveIn post 336, Kagami wrote:Might take kokichi.I swear I'm trying my best
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this doesn't sound fun. sorryIn post 347, Alisae wrote:
I can invite you to danceIn post 345, Venmar wrote:literally kill me
and then we can talk
and then I can leave and/or stay depending on how things work out~I swear I'm trying my best
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i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.In post 368, Alisae wrote:I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.
will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points
pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.
Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanksI swear I'm trying my best
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ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.
also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumpostsI swear I'm trying my best
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In post 427, Kagami wrote:No?I swear I'm trying my best
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why are you trying to doom a townier personIn post 431, Antihero wrote:kagami is getting a townier partner than venI swear I'm trying my best
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currently only accepting requests from reck to fuck, thanks
also going to repeat myself because y'all are inept
In post 367, Venmar wrote:would like to hear from the ladies as to why anti isn't their first choice for pairingI swear I'm trying my best
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wow you aren't a smart one are youIn post 445, Alisae wrote:If I am scum, what you're allowing me to do is essentially leave as soon as the dance actually starts, removing conftown from the game.I swear I'm trying my best
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also im a productive member of society so im going to work now. i will see you guys in the 40 pages i know y'all will spawn in the next 5 hours. ladies please answer my question
why do i have to liveI swear I'm trying my best
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I acceptI swear I'm trying my best
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answer = 19 pagesIn post 462, Venmar wrote:also im a productive member of society so im going to work now. i will see you guys in the 40 pages i know y'all will spawn in the next 5 hours. ladies please answer my question
readingI swear I'm trying my best
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+5 poopy pointsIn post 471, Alisae wrote:I just feel like town is being setup for failure here and scum want me to pair up with anti so they can try to wifom a lynch on me.
If I'm thinking about this the wrong way and I'm just being dumb then I'm making an ass out of myself.
pedit: i legit pulled out my phone at work, iso'd reck to see if he asked, saw he proposed, so i typed accept. case shut close bossI swear I'm trying my best
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gosh anti is such a trash person to have to have as your IC
will admit i read the game but i will also admit i did not absorb much and i don't apologise for it
In post 671, xRECKONERx wrote:He was my first choice. I dunno that it's wise though. He's obviously who scum wanna get out of the game so is the best play to pair him with someone we scumread?
^ reck basically echoes my thoughts which are behind why i asked this question:In post 678, xRECKONERx wrote:there is no world in which you/elli as nonconfirmed town are a more priority kill target for scum than an innocent child who had his role PM revealed in the opening post
i think the ic slot isn't a slot scum would want to pair up with since it's just simply the most optimal night shot for them to make. having anti pair with a townie is in mafia's interest. mafia being paired with the ic means they can't shoot them, which opens up the wifom strategy/argument and the strategy of leaving them with HAVING to pair with the IC, but i think it's an inherently inferior scum tactic to worth entertaining TOO much. forcing scum into it is worth entertainingIn post 367, Venmar wrote:would like to hear from the ladies as to why anti isn't their first choice for pairing
my thought process was that any ladies that showed adverse hesitation to pairing with ic (like alisae for example! who made lots of excuses to weasel out of!) from the get go might be worth keeping an eye onI swear I'm trying my best
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i'd also like to address this quickly:
"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"In post 715, Alisae wrote:Here's why I fos Venmar
I actually kind of feel like its really easy for him to take this stance against me.In post 382, Venmar wrote:
i think most weak pushes are inherently also a tadbit opportunistic; you see something to throw shit at, and you see what sticks. people aren't opportunistic against people they can make strong cases for.In post 368, Alisae wrote:I want you to tell me how that's opportunistic.
will not accept "i was weeding out his alignment with a weak attack" as a valid answer. +3 poopy points
pairing with me just so you have a killswitch on me is also flawed town play at best i think. happy to refuse a proposal from you at this stage.
Pedit: can you stop posting anime pictures of yourself thanks
Like, I don't believe its a read that had thought put behind it, it kinda feels agenda based.
oh ok, sorry
so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck offIn post 715, Alisae wrote:
Here these reads are justIn post 386, Venmar wrote:shortlist of people to leave behind:
kokichi
harambay
this has been venny thank you very much for your attentionopportunistic and garbage. Harmabey is new and is really obvious town.
Kokichi is extremely lynchable and is an easy push.
also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)
main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on. the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.In post 715, Alisae wrote:
I hate this post a lot.In post 428, Venmar wrote:ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i thinkthey're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.
also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts
Venmar is using a lot of things like the bolded. I don't feel like Venmar is trying to have a right read here. I feel like he's trying to present a read that is ironclad in reasoning.
Let's talk about the posts he pointed out.
293 - Somewhat valid question that is easy to attack.
332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.
342 - Not alignment indicative.
404 - The only thing that's wrong about this post is that he thinks he's a 7 when he's actually a 1 and that he has correct reads. Besides that, and for the most part, the post seems truthful. And at worst, the post is NAI.
in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.I swear I'm trying my best
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i think the majority of harambe's posts on page 38 feel sincere. #945 in particular i think is genuine.
its more or less enough for me to endorse him being picked over koki hereI swear I'm trying my best
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i don't like this post at allIn post 946, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm sorry but it's not all you, it's that a lot of people aren't big fans of you and it would serve the game for you to be removed from it regardless of your alignment imoIn post 944, Harambey180 wrote:Also (unless I misread) Gamma and Kagami are the only two ladies left.
Well Gamma screw you with this post...
If it's any of the two I'm going with Kagami right now.
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In post 981, Gamma Emerald wrote:lmao dude popped in to take yours ASAP
sorry but you're probably paired with scum
|In post 984, Kagami wrote:Unless there's a reason to hurry, I take my honmei-choco srsly.
VIn post 985, Firebringer wrote:Kagami confirmed troll@gamma- what are you looking for in a pair partner?I swear I'm trying my best
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ah, a quick iso does prove this! (to be fair this was a long time ago and i forgot and i think anti has as well)In post 1001, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Have you read the game? I asked him when I realized it fit exactly with what I wanted.In post 995, Venmar wrote:i need 99 reasons then why you aren't just offering yourself to antihero, who fits that criteria and koki/haramb in your view don't
just goes to show how anti as the IC is sitting on his hands.In post 491, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually, now that I think about it I really should ask Anti
Anti, would you dance with me?
this actually improves my perception of gamma quite a bit. i just think he needs to stop attacking a newbie just for being a newbieI swear I'm trying my best
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i think someone is upset that he isn't being taken for granted. not trying to discredit you i just want you to be more useful
pedit: lots of stuff w/e my stuff standsI swear I'm trying my best
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In post 1013, beeboy wrote:ehhhh I would preferred Gamma oh well.I swear I'm trying my best
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personal gut on your play; you're an ic and i've felt that most of your posts have been you being vague, following others, or not being as helpful as you could be given your status. your apathy with pairings was frustrating
also if you think this is me attacking/discrediting an ic, and that that is worth for me to pursue for any reason other than to allow me to work better with you by opening dialogue, then im sorry you view it that way.
pedit:@antiI swear I'm trying my best
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wow anti you're such a melodrama, it would be a shame if...
oh... if only that was reworded toIn post 738, Antihero wrote:reck
would you be mad if i accepted your offer and venmar ended up getting left out?i accept reck!.NONE OF YOUR INPUT. COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR HANDS
you fucking useless trash.I swear I'm trying my best
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why does everyone take this game so seriously, like ffs. what a bunch of children
im going to go to work see y'all in 8.5 hours (30 pages)
pedit: who is this is varner and why does someone think it's super important to validate their view that suicides = bad. i don't think you're alone in that beliefI swear I'm trying my best
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you're like a little manchildIn post 1192, Alisae wrote:Bee.
Vote.
Venmar.
Vote starts with a V.
The V in Vote stands for Venmar.
Therefore you should vote Venmar.I swear I'm trying my best
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will point out: people hard voting and pushing me atm are people i've criticised or scumread. *SHOCKER*
i'm also not throwing shade for no reason, but honestly when a game progresses this fast I also don't really read everything.I swear I'm trying my best
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i'd be willing to make a bet with you otherwise if it wasn't against the rules, but you know you'd lose it anyways since you know i'm town mr scummyIn post 1199, Alisae wrote:Like if I have to lynch one of you two to get my fucking Venmar lynch then fine idc but I want Venmar gone period.
Always flips scum.
Always.I swear I'm trying my best
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i did say i didn't like you as an ic, but i wouldn't call that as an attack and I do recall you insulted me yourself before i told you you were "trash". i don't snap at people for no reason
I swear I'm trying my best
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also like i don't even understand this post? alisae is literally just discrediting and handwaving everything i said with ":scumposting:", and then on the last point if anyone interprets "332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad" as a contradiction to the bolded i will fucking eat a shoe. i think the context clearly dictates it as alisae dismissing 332 as townie rather than alisae asking me a question, and that's how interpreted that and continue to do so.In post 1171, Alisae wrote:btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle
:scumposting:In post 953, Venmar wrote:"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry
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Also :scumposting:so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off
also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)
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Lets look at the post againmain issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.
in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.
Venmar is flipping scum.In post 715, Alisae wrote:332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.
i do think that alisae's stance on me went from wanting to talk to me/pairing with me to vehemently attacking me which is an interesting character arc. i will also point out that it makes perfect sense for scum-alisae, who has already once bragged about kokichi flipping town, to button down and hard-push and attack me for attacking kokichi if scum-alisae knows that kokichi is flipping town. it makes me look bad once kokichi flips town and alisae can coast on that fact alone. townreading/defending kokichi wasn't exactly THE MOST common sentiment as far as my minimum-reading memory serves me, and alisae was the only one that felt the need to openly attack me over it. in my eyes it definitely reeks of a scum agendaI swear I'm trying my best
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literally do it, i will treat it as a victoryIn post 1222, Alisae wrote:ok honestly
I am kinda considering leaving just to prove myself as town because I feel like my townflip gets you lynched.
I ALSO scumread Joey (surprise sekret read) btwI swear I'm trying my best
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this one confused me because i didn't know what you were talking about but an iso does reveal the existence of this:In post 1177, Gamma Emerald wrote:This last point intrigues me since iirc I also had a similar issue with that post and he just ignored me, so he's choosing to use that disagreement
which in my defence i didn't know even existed and i missed this question entirely.In post 444, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Gonna have to question 404, and I'm kinda curious about why you scumread 332In post 428, Venmar wrote:ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.
also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts
to entertain y'all:
404 - i interpreted this post as kokichi-scum complaining about being always lynched; the "omg im always mislynched" is a sentiment that in my experience i have seen scum produce as a form of appeal.
332 -this was a pure gut read of mine but i'm pretty sure i had this listed as an example of fluff, and i thought it was hypocritical since at the time i thought koki was guilty of asking questions just to look busy herself.I swear I'm trying my best
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i thought i was owning it? i genuinely DO feel bad. i also think you're not giving me any credit for the exchange but that's just me.In post 1232, Antihero wrote:act like a dick all you want but own it. don't insult my intelligence by saying you weren't really poking me in the eye with thatI swear I'm trying my best
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i remember reading this and being convinced HARDIn post 680, xRECKONERx wrote:you: "scum would have to jump on pairings quick to make sure it wasn't all town-town pairings!"
also you: "oh but ignore dunn doing that, he's town by play"I swear I'm trying my best
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i don't think there's anything inherently town, or alignment indicative for the matter, about a "physical reaction". like wtf that's just dumbIn post 1506, xRECKONERx wrote:
For those sweet town AtE ragepoints? Obviously?In post 1458, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would I lie about a physical reaction?
Also fuk u sheep for garciaingI swear I'm trying my best
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please elaborateIn post 1517, Dunnstral wrote:Consider that your partner may be scum. Look at their read/progression on me in specific and see if it adds upI swear I'm trying my best
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