♥ ♠ Open 711: Stack The Deck - Game Over ♣ ♦

[Espeonage]

vote: Elmo

For ruthlessly killing me N0 in our last game together.

[Espeonage]

vote: Elmo

For ruthlessly killing me N0 in our last game together.

Why can’t you use VOTE: tags like everyone else?
Does it help your scum game to be slightly more discrete using bold votes?

Less characters on phone

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I've never been scum

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahagahagahgagagagahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

They believed you wtf?

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You know you can use

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[v]Your mum[/v]

I did not know this.

I still prefer bold

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You're a fat cow

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Attract was effective.

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vote: Elmo

For ruthlessly killing me N0 in our last game together.

It wasn't me

You could have done something.

I know chip was scared shitless of me bc of extra communication, but still.

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Actually I think it was me. And even then you were the doc >_>

Uhh I was vanilla. The vig killed the doc.

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VOTE: not mafia

We can not let him get to endgame

Mind elaborating on this?

Nm likes to lolhammer

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I like srceen for the first page but dislike now.

Tbh I could believe that Yankee is a really naive town pr or traitor. Like I could see a nooby bp doing something like that when they don't know how to obvtown. But more likely scum.

Tbh the main reason I am thinking this of Yankee is the Salem joke.

Am I insane?

[Espeonage]

Joined: May 16, 2014

If that said Jan 15, 2018 I wouldn't be voting him

Check post count too NM, I want to hear him tell his story

This

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Tbh the main reason I am thinking this of Yankee is the Salem joke.

Explain this a little more for me.

Town of Salem is generally a try to fly under the radar if you are a pr type of game.

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There's every chance I'm wrong. But given skitter has asked the poignant question and seems to have reservations about it being obv scum too I'm happy to wait and see if I was right on the ToS thing.

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Ok see this is my issue with people that say day 1 is useless.

If you treat day one as useless then at what point do days stop being useless?

Because if everything is arbitrary day 1, then vca, relationals, and everything else that requires a flip is still useless because shit was arbitrary.

Go play on some shit other site that is all night actions and zero skill if that's what you want to play.

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Ok you know what. If you refuse to engage in day 1 because it's day 1, we call it what it is which is playing against wincon if town and either wait for the modkill for this, or lunch then when it doesn't happen bc they must be scum if not modkilled.

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Or you can save us the trouble and replace out if you don't want to play the game.

It's no fucking wonder town win rates have gone down.

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I think Srceenplay has gone on record saying he thinks D1's pretty much always suck and are a waste of time..

So I think that particular post is NAI, unfortunately.

I don’t think d1 are worthless. I think there is less information and what information you get you kinda need to force. I think day 1 and day 2 should go to the gut/feels type of players and let the analytical players clean up after.

So you're saying we don't need you past day 2. Good to fucking know.

So I want and checked and unlike una who I know can play when not under the influence of bad players, you both lack credentials and are party of boon's cocky piece of shits club.

The fact that you have self important tone in your insistence on hammering is the kind of shit boon would do as scum for a laugh.

So I'm not going to have you try and make hammers NAI because that just harms town completely.

vote: srceen

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And that is a completely serious vote. Only happened because of friendship with boon otherwise it would just be null vi behaviour.

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"I didn’t say anything about making hammers nai. I said consider L-1 the hammer vote."

These are literally contradicting statements.

And it's not going to fucking fly.

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Can I say both.

Nullifying hammers is the kind of shit their player group would do as scum.

I've seen the entire scumteam with two of that group claim neighbours together to townbloc and force through lynched after they killed the non naive people of town.

The hammers thing feels contrived and a dummy, considering I've seen town srceen play normally.

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A dummy is meant to be scummy. Sorry but on phone

[Espeonage]

No policy, no abnormal play, no jarring stances

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73968

I hate meta, but this coupled with the players he had his formative games with feels really bad.

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I want to see more content from A50.

No you don't! I'm a bad guy. I listen to Bob Geldof, watch Brian Gleeson & laugh at the jokes of Brad Garrett. (That's a yuckie combination indeed, Paddy!)

I'll do a quick catch up, but I don't think anyone said anything remarkably AI so far (up to this post I'm responding to)

This feels like a traitor claim.

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No policy, no abnormal play, no jarring stances

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73968

I hate meta, but this coupled with the players he had his formative games with feels really bad.

I was a replacement in that game. So context is not exactly the same.

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Post Post #567 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:59 pm
In post 70, wavemode wrote:
Is every single player in this game an alt

Am I an alt?

Side note, I’m assuming it’s 10v3 because I already caught them all.

But look at the bold. One of my first post of the game and I’m announcing I caught scum.

You're not an alt. Team mafia

[Espeonage]

unvote, vote: A50

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I want to see more content from A50.

No you don't! I'm a bad guy.

I listen to Bob Geldof, watch Brian Gleeson & laugh at the jokes of Brad Garrett. (That's a yuckie combination indeed, Paddy!)

I'll do a quick catch up, but I don't think anyone said anything remarkably AI so far (up to this post I'm responding to)

This feels like a traitor claim.

Why?

Bolded

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Oh boy I haven't been called vi in years.

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Possibly confbias

But calling the person calling you out town is classic slip play. As is two posts with flailing.

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Ebwop: post was about a50

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Tone is completely different though.

Much less aggressive.

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@mutant: I don't care about your alignment right now (in this post), but you're assuming I play the same way as someone who had only joined the site 3 months ago (actually 2-3 days later than 3 months ago, but whatever). Look at my stats and tell me if Scum!me could ever be caught by Town!you (assuming you are Town ONLY for the sake of the argument) on D1.

My advice is this: IF you're Town, back off NOW (and save yourself the embarrassment). If you're Scum though, I'm not about to tell you how to improve your Scum play.

@Everyone: I want mutant lynched today. If he flips Mafia it is proof enough for me that Mafia actually DID recruit their Traitor already, so the RC can actually catch the "Goon" they are assigned to catch.

This is a real bad superiority complex and even if you strip all the role related stuff away a50 looks terrible.

He is flailing all over the place, picking and choosing which parts of the wagon on him to go for and settling on the perceived weakest for no apparent reason.

Also mutant is completely correct in that a bg shouldn't need to claim. Their job is to be abrasive stir the pot and then die trying to make their death useful. So I get it.

However a50 was ver brazen to claim a pr that early plus there's no couner claim.

I completely disagree with the assessment scum would pick abilities. I would take daychat maybe depending on who I was with. Otherwise none of it is worth it tbh.

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:/ Saying lol reactions doesn't gel with my reasons for thinking you're town.

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Gonna go back to srceen.

Unovte, Vote: Srceen

Bogyguard claim is believable I guess.

The slot should die eventually, so whatever unlikely A50 will be at endgame.

I'm V/LA for a few days

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UNVOTE:
At least we got some conversation out of it.

Anybody else want to make a sketchy claim and then talk themselves out of it? (in all honesty though, I'll try to read peoples reactions to that claim tonight)

I'm IC.

Mhy crumb is that I flaked once while an IC. I set it up years ago because I knew I'd need to confirm it myself.

actually that doesn't sound right...

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Oh sorry for the confusion I was claiming inexperience challenge.

But on a more serious vote, I feel like this game needs a nice wagon.

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I like srceen for the first page but dislike now.

Tbh I could believe that Yankee is a really naive town pr or traitor. Like I could see a nooby bp doing something like that when they don't know how to obvtown. But more likely scum.

Tbh the main reason I am thinking this of Yankee is the Salem joke.

Am I insane?

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Turns out I was insane btw.

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If you mean someone that stirs emotions and lynched scum. Ya that’s me.

Your not even doing that though. You just being a pain in the ass making garbage votes. If my votes not on you Im placing it on you and leaving it there. Why You have tried to make it so my post was a scum claim. Seriously. Find better reasons then that. Make a case

this

Although my conclusion is he isn't doing it bc he a scumbutt

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Afaik only at pregame

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In b4 someone makes a cult game where the game doesn't end until everyone is cult.

Awfully tempting. - Math

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Lego is slowly jumping up in my reads for who could be scum. The self meta holdup really doesn't sit well with me.

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unvote, vote: jay

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Sorry this is policy. You haven't dropped your anti town survivor play and I doubt your charismatic ability to be a contributing member of town.

I however disagree on the slip claim. I would still like to see you lynched.

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So having taken some time to mull over srceen. I realised that I was having reservations based mostly on him being obnoxious. But I just realised that is exactly what I used to do to try and get out of lynches years ago when I was still relatively new.

unvote, vote srceen

L-1 btw.

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Jay and srceen, both of you if town. Need to let go of this survival shit.

Townies die. Townies are allowed to die. You still win of your faction wins and you're dead.

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Let's assume for a second you flip town.

If you got lynched day 1 as town it either means that scum put resources in to getting rid of you. OR you played in a way that made town determine you were the best lynch.

In this case, you weren't working well with others, plus you are polarizing. The second especially makes you a good lynch moving forward regardless of what you flip. However if you mess up in a game take some ownership. I mean this in the best way possible in that I used to be a regular day 1 lynch until I adapted over time.

You aren't lynched yet and you still may not be. I still think you have a pretty good chance of flipping scum, but you can always leave behind a legacy.

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where the fuck did lego get that jay is L-1?

by my albeit quick count srceen is L-2 and Jay is L-3.

Math, can we has another official votecount. I'm losing touch

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Unvote, Vote: Jay

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hi

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Any particular reason you decided to make me and Screen equal in votes now?

I went this entire time thinking you were the yankee sub not the creature one.

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Nm just vote Jay.

I'll fix this game.

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The hammers thing feels contrived and a dummy, considering I've seen town srceen play normally.

Just reading back a bit, how do you compare his game this game to his usual town game?

Uhhh, not batshit insane.

Also yes I promise una.

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The person I am.

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unvote

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@Jay: Join me on mutant. I'm 100% he's Scum and like 50% HE is the JOAT.

Says the guy that claimed traitor.

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Tbh I reckon it puts mutant at town more than scum for not closely reading.

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Ok seriously there are already two prs claimed so what idiotic scum is there that actually picked powers?.

With every claim the chances of a50 being scum skyrocket as does everyone that has no idea what an ev is.

Unless it's like skitter and Elmo or some shit and they figured they can get mileage out of daytalk.

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A50, am I right in remembering you thought scum would take multiple things bc I really want to know why you think that?

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- Make a Goon Bulletproof
- Make a Goon into a Role Cop
- Make a Goon into a JOAT (1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Ninja)
- Gain factional daytalk (passive ability)
- Recruit the Traitor as a Goon

Bulletproof is useless unless there is both a vig and they are the target.
Rolecop is only really useful if you picked a lot which is dumb bc you wouldn't because of the others being shitty.
Joat is same boat as bp, with the added thing that strongman is kinda stupid bc bg would die anyway.
Day Talk is easily the most useful but only with strong scum.
Recruit is eh bc you might have a shithouse traitor.

There's a few people in this game I wouldn't rate as getting enough out of day Talk to pick it without also recruiting. Which adds two power to town for a gamble on being able to use Passover to outplayed town.

So in what world has scum picked anything?

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Honestly I probably should be the lynch.
We don’t need to continue to run people up for claims.

Still should use more time to discuss but my lynch is inevitable.

Why are you fucking town. This would have been better if you were scum.

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You haven't explained why scum supposedly took one of the worst picks.

[Espeonage]

- Make a Goon Bulletproof
- Make a Goon into a Role Cop
- Make a Goon into a JOAT (1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Ninja)
- Gain factional daytalk (passive ability)
- Recruit the Traitor as a Goon

Bulletproof is useless unless there is both a vig and they are the target.
Rolecop is only really useful if you picked a lot which is dumb bc you wouldn't because of the others being shitty.
Joat is same boat as bp, with the added thing that strongman is kinda stupid bc bg would die anyway.
Day Talk is easily the most useful but only with strong scum.
Recruit is eh bc you might have a shithouse traitor.

There's a few people in this game I wouldn't rate as getting enough out of day Talk to pick it without also recruiting. Which adds two power to town for a gamble on being able to use Passover to outplayed town.

So in what world has scum picked anything?

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I have hunch on scum but I doubt I can actually get any of them lynched rn.

I also don't have cases. But I need to triangulate why I have the hunches. I may have time tomorrow.

But it's only two players and on second look I may reject the gut read. So I need to find a third scum anyway.

I don't think it's mutant though.

:/

Might just be this.

vote: sky

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yeah nup sorry nm, this is what's happening.

Luckily BGs are useless anyway.

unvote, vote: A50

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We gon have words miss North.

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I am currently at work.

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My two top scum reads aren't dying today. So eh.

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Why are we not punching Yankee?

Looking at activity overview Yankee has not posted in 10 days. Wouldn’t you rather wait for a replacement?

Bruh, it's sky.

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Looks like I have some time today so I'll be going through my reads again. In particular I am interested in sorting Mutant as I think I earlier had them at null and now they are at L-1 so a decision one way or the other is required.

Probably need a claim from Mutant but at this stage I am not interested in hammering.

Note this is our third wagon iirc if we have another town PR come out we may be better off just mass claiming and lynching from among counterclaims/VTs.

This is inherently bad play.

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@Everybody

I'd like to play a game.

Let's say for a moment that one of Jay or Almost50 have in fact fake claimed a role that town already has, but town doesn't want to give themselves away by straight up counterclaiming them.

How do you think the town power role goes about getting a lynch on that player without giving themselves away?

throw shade

[Espeonage]

This is inherently bad play.

Could you please be more specific.

bc stupid scum may have taken strongman

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I don't want everyone to claim. Because apparently there are some people (you for example) that are stupid enough to pick roles.

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Or do you agree that we should all day 1 massclaim.

Honestly, I reckon you definitely are traitor. And I reckon you felt like you would need to cover it with a fakeclaim, which props to you was the right way to play it.

You got forced in to claiming and had to hope for the best. Now that you didn't get counterclaimed, you decide to spin this blatantly false story that scunm would totally pick more shit because it gives more credence to your claim.

But hey, you picked a shit role to claim, probably because it was the only one you could work out a way to traitor claim while crumbing it. So I honestly don't care about your claim. I want you lynched.

Also this level of egotistical tone is high key crumbing scum to counteract the fact that you made yourself a NK target while you are traitor and don't want to die. Everything about your play is about highlighting how scum you are while not being lynched.

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Esp have you played with A50 before?

Yes

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lol

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unvote, vote: lego

Worst has good restraint. So consider this my consolidating off a vanity wagon.

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Why you answering Montosh's question for them?

Also, it ain't vanity any more worst. You gots the support.

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Yo A50 maybe stop buddying with the newbie.

Thats part of how Jay lost the last time

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Yo A50 maybe stop buddying with the newbie.

Thats part of how Jay lost the last time

Among other reasons, but Jay got caught up in the chatting bit and stopped doing the mafia bit.

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Bruh pls.

But no, outed PRs have a responsibility to push the game properly. So for example, not muddling by playing scummy and drawing their claim in to question, and also not derailing the game or devolving it in to a sheep the universal town read.

Both will actively lose games.

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Yo A50 maybe stop buddying with the newbie.

I'm the biggest newb here and you joined my wagon...
BTW Esp do you find A50's play this game consistent with your experience of him? Forgot to follow thru on this when I asked

@SP I'd shoot Lego rn I think we've got scum!
But I appreciate the N_M logic. Also yes I asked Monty for a reason.

idk man, I generally don't do meta, and I don't remember this from SK him, which is enither here nor there for if he is groupscum or town.

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vla for 36 hours, gf birthday today and were staying a hotel tonight.

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I'm going to back for like the last 8 hours at the end of the day.

But if it's a him or me thing.

unvote, vote: mutant

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... Fricken fine, North, you meanie. Throw all my possible strategic purpose away.

I went to Una. Username: UnaBombaH if you want me to be very specific.

Happy?

Either you're lying or A50 is actually a fucking idiot.

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vote: the worst

Or the worst is bulletproof.

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Yes

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The main reason I've been playing to avoid the nightkill, I also crumbed it to una.

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Nm just vote Jay.

I'll fix this game.

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sorry to not mafia

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really north.

Here's the thing, it doesn't really matter so much if you don't believe me.

A50 is very likely to have not protected the worst. It's not a strong kill target bc he is not a claimed PR and (no offense) I don't think the worst can really carry a game on his back. I actually didn't shoot my most wanted target because there was a greater chance of a town A50 of protecting skitter.

So if A50 didn't protect the worst, and jay targeted una. My kill can only have failed because it was on a bulletproof.

So unless you really think A50 would target the worst, then either me or the worst must be scum. And if I am scum and you lynch the worst it's a 1 for 1 bc you lynch me tomorrow. If we lynch me first you lose the vig shot.

Then again. I wouldn't put it past A50 to not do something stupid like protect an unclaimed scum.

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I just assumed Jay had blocked me and didn't post yesterday bc I was just mad and didn't want to claim for nothing. But now I get to lynch my scumread anyway so woo I can kill skitter tonight.

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1. Why tf would vig shoot anyone N1?
2. What is your town motivation in shooting me?

because I hard scumread you and skitter day 1 and was never going to get either of you lynched.

I figured it would be easier to lynch skitter after the relationals off you.

I even voted lego to make sure I didn't get killed off reputation.

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Well if the worst is bulletproof, that means the mafia shot Almost? Does that even make sense to shoot a role that's trying to die anyway?

Or maybe... Do you think scum targeted someone and Almost predicted correctly?

Then that confirms to me worst being bulletproof.

VOTE: the worst

I see a few new posts Im reading after this post.

A50 probably protected the shot on you, the claimed pr.

Or scum shot a50 bc they want him out of the way from when they do take a risky shot.

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Not bulletproof.

well obviously, like you'd claim an exclusively scum role.

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EcplIn your scumread on both of us

I honestly don't have to now.

But very very interesting that you want the read on BOTH of you, not just yourself.

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The only time doesn’t shoot a50 there is if jay is scum.

I may have shot a50 if he had crumbed a protect. But I didn't look to see if he did.

Occams says scum tried to kill jay and a50 protected him.

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Oh by the way. This is just evidence for why you don't pick shit as scum in this setup, because you don't actually nullify the PR's you're meant to.

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In what way was I a better NK than Skitter?
I'm the most lynchable dude on the planet particularly with associatives

you were,'t, but you were a better vig target. Bc A50 town may have protected skitter.

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the worst, you seem to be coming at this from the perspective of believing espeonage – that's strange to me. why?

Because he knows I'm town lol.

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north is my pick for traitor if worst flips group.

It all goes out the window if worst is traitor.

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Espe is a perfectly competent player. not sure where this idea that he's an idiot came from

A50 propaganda

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Also, if none of the scums are going to counterclaim me, this even gets resolved for if A50 was stupid bc I get a night to prove myself anyway.

Worst is the lynch here regardless.

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Post game, if you want I'll point out specific decisions I made to avoid the night kill.

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I literally just explained why we lynch the worst even if he is town bc I can prove over nigth and it is supremely unlikely that A50 protected the worst.

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That being said if scum didn't take any abilities there's a very very high chance Esp is actually fakeclaiming scum

if scum didn't take any abilities then at least one of espeonage and elsa would be confirmed to be lying.

How so?

worst can be traitor which has a bp if unrecruited.

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there is zero situations where the town thing to do isn't to lynch the worst here.

If the worst is town and I am scum you lynch me tomorrow because there will only be one kill.
if the worst is town and I am town i prove myself tonight and we move on from A50 having a brain fart.
If the worst is scum then the worst is scum.

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I can tell you now. I'm not shooting you tonight if for whatever reason people are dumb and lynch not you.

I'll be shooting someone else to prove me role.

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I shoot literally anyone else and they die and it proves there's two killing roles and the worst gets lynched. But that's dumb bc it wastes time.

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No worst you die today so this is resolved and we deal with stupidly slim chances later if they even arise.

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I'm not shooting the bulletproof twice that's fucking dumb.

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You keep telling people to think from your pov.

Well think about everyone else. The chance they are banking by listening to you is that. Not only did a50 target you (already unlikely) that scum also targeted specifically a50 or you as well (also super unlikely)

So shush and get lynched.

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North, you really don't need to be psychic to realise the chances of you being shot tonight are super high.

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wouldn't you think that elsa has a higher chance of getting shot than me?

I think you don't need to be a psychic to realise that I am either shooting you or skitter.

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Tbh montosh it doesn't change a whole lot of the day does end quickly. The worst already claimed by.

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Sky threw the game. Well done. We all worked out Jay was scum.

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However to his credit Jay played really well and everyone that realised only did so becayse they knew how many PRs there were.

Also I was shooting Montosh for a while and changed my target mid night.

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@Esp I really thought that I'd be the target that last night, what made you choose Una?

Occams

So night 1 I was looking at a list of all town which kinda sucked, I ironically picked the worst of them thought all things considered. Any of the others wouldn't have messed up the game so hard.

Night 2 my list was you, Jay and then later Una. I also looked at NSG because it seemed like irrational white knighting but I didn't want to make a reads based kill because my reads were off. You were on there because of worst, Jay was on there because the flip was starting to feel required, and una was on there bc of the 'block'.

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I argue that a lynch of Not Mafia would have been the correct move, as Jay would have 0 excuse for still being alive D4, AND we'd be down a scum ^_~ But I would have trainwrecked us in the next day phase because I would have pushed hard for a Screen lynch :/

I'd argue that a vig on creature slot or nm slot probably would have been the best play, which iirc I was advocating way back when, but yeah

p-edit: yeah I just couldn't concieve town!sky cc'ing because it was such a bizarre thing to do from a town pov as all it accomplished was outing a pr.

And then the the vig/nk/bg clusterfuck n1. Between the two of those town cohesion basically got majorly messed up.

p-edit: I wanted to leave all the claism alive and lynch montosh and let nk's sort it out at least partially. But then sky retracted so it wouldn't have worked anymore lol

I would never shoot a policy when there is any chance of game breaking. If you wanted anyone that wasn't universally townread to be killed night 1 you need a different person playing vig.

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I gotta say, I cracked the fuck up when I saw that both mafia AND vig decided to shoot the worst, WHILE A50 GUARDED HIM (A50 thought the worst was vig)

I got a bit of FOMO a few times through the game, thinking "Oh man it would be so cool to be playing/talking strategy at this point" . I hope it was as fun for you guys to play as it was for me to watch.

Always open to any feedback on moderation and whatnot. First time for everything!

Why did A50 block two kills?

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It really badly hurts your town play though.

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Good question. You and A50 submitted your actions early, and mafia had the worst in their NK-pool a few hours into the night, so I had time to check with LlamaFluff (shouts out to the leaving listmod!)

The Bodyguard PM is worded such that rather than blocking a nightkill, it instead dies in the target's place if the target were to die at night. It thus resolves AFTER both kills; the mafia and vig shots kill the worst, and THEN A50 replaces the worst's death with his own.

Not understanding this factored in to shooting Una.

[Espeonage]

It's a critique of myself not of you math. You modded well.