Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Spiffeh]

Is it weird that the minute I declare V/LA is when I suddenly want to make time for this game?

[Cheetory6]

You just want to procrastinate on things.

[Spiffeh]

Don't worry it was a fleeting feeling I'm back to wanting to go to sleep

[Ether]

Day 4, Votecount 12

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2 Ginngie (Cheetory6, Patrick)
2 Kmd4390 (Chara, UnaBombaH)
1 Aristophanes (Firebringer)
1 Chara (Kmd4390)
1 Firebringer (implosion)
1 UnaBombaH (Ginngie)

2 Unvote (Aristophanes, Spiffeh)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-23 01:00:00), on Friday, February 23 at 1:00 am EST.

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[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Una

One of those things is literally you saying who scum is

If YOU took the time to read my posts, you'd see where I'm looking at.

You'd also know that I don't have an actual scumread at this point. I've tried to do profiling on how the last scum should've played, and who that might be.
The biggest problem here, is that mulch-Cabd already had that readable (anti-)synergy.
Mulch was very hyper and "in your face", while Cabd seemed uninterested and demotivated all game.
Possibly IRL-stuff too, but I'd bet he hated being scum with mulch (and especially how he played it out)
This leaves the third scum free to be whatever.
Like, either try to bus them both and gain massive distance, or be very active and interactive with them, but not outright bus, or, or..
I mean, I think this scum team was never very "tight-knit" or coordinated with their actions.
If anything, I'd say Cabds ISO might reveal more about the third scum than Mulch's, because I assume Cabd was ok with the idea of losing mulch D1 for the way he played, but would've wanted to not screw his remaining partner.

[UnaBombaH]

If we massclaim today, I want it done coordinated.
Not just in random order, or we will likely fuck ourselves.

[UnaBombaH]

Like, either the scum has to make a fakeclaim (where having an order to it helps us more), or the scum is Vanilla (having some implications towards balance).

[Kmd4390]

My favorite thing from the last pages was kmd theorizing that Cabd would've crumbed for me to claim a FN-result

Not crumbed as in he was telling you to claim it. Crumbing his target for everyone else.

in particular this idea that anyone is calling you dumb if you're scum, because nobody is saying that.

Really?

[UnaBombaH]

Only slot I like from today is Cheet.
His long post from last page towards Ginngie demonstrates the kind of critical thinking I had myself towards Ginngies self-"meta" and self-critique.

I think that by giving us two options to choose from, she is trying to force a perspective on us.
I don't think either perspective is correct, and that leads me to not to believe anything she says about herself.

[Cheetory6]

You keep saying "Really?" in a way that makes it really unclear as to what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say scumGinngie would be stupid for faking a guilty at that stage, then I disagree super hard with you?
If Ginngie is scum they had no good moves to make.
Really isn't dumb to fake a guilty and try to play it off as scum given how fucked they would be.
Is clearly much worse for Ginngie to do it as town.

[Ginngie]

Cheet

why in the actual fuck

do you say anything

[Cheetory6]

Frankly, if you weren't still indignant I would probably be approaching this a lot less miserably.

[Ginngie]

All I want to do right now is start a shitstorm fight with you and I really dont want to do that

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Ginngie - delayed OMGUS

[Ginngie]

you're shitting me

[Firebringer]

Everyone take a 24 hour hiatus from game.
Come back with some shots and some dank grass and we can sort shit out.

I want to get people on same page and doesn’t help to have people at each other’s throats

[Cheetory6]

Could just do a massclaim?
I mostly just feel miserable/disappointed atm so I don't really think I have it in me to get into a real fight atm anyways.

[Cheetory6]

Pretty sure with massclaim we get those 6 slots that you wanted for your townblock.

[Firebringer]

Fine I’ll start.

I am VT.
Popcorn to aristophanes

[Cheetory6]

Una should go after Ari.

[Kmd4390]

You keep saying "Really?" in a way that makes it really unclear as to what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say scumGinngie would be stupid for faking a guilty at that stage, then I disagree super hard with you?
If Ginngie is scum they had no good moves to make.
Really isn't dumb to fake a guilty and try to play it off as scum given how fucked they would be.
Is clearly much worse for Ginngie to do it as town.

At 11:1, getting in a 1v1 with someone you know is town doesn't seem like the best move to me. As town, sure it still wasn't a good move. But you can understand if Ginngie thought Tora was scum and everyone was townreading Tora, egos can cause people to do things like that.

Everyone take a 24 hour hiatus from game.

I'll be at work in 24 hours. =(

[Cheetory6]

I could lay out why I disagree but I don't really think it matters.

[Chara]

i'm not down for a massclaim but it appears i've been outvoted.
i just... don't think it's necessary right now, sure you're demotivated from the Toranaga mislynch but it isn't... that bad? we don't lose info from the nightkill, we gain it if anything.
though you've already started. :<

[Cheetory6]

we don't lose info from the nightkill

If a PR dies yes?
Given one scumslot left I would be shocked if we're not losing an inno if scum shoots correctly tonight.
We probably have a protective PR.
We probably get two innos from a claim and coordinated night actions.

[Cheetory6]

There's also potential waste if two slots target the same player.
We can coordinate stuff, especially with a dead scum roleblocker that was probably put in to punish massclaim.