Micro 780: SHENANIGANS

[Vaxkiller]

so, I never play opens, I think I have maybe played 2 partial opens ever?

do we like....all claim and then lynch within duplicates?

I'm with this.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Mathdino

[Vaxkiller]

Wait a second, town has three people they're against three people...

Legit, the Lyncher, Yakuza, or the Jester have to help with the Lynch.

Yeah but they have good reason to do so... out of fear of getting found out!

[Vaxkiller]

Can teh lynchers target... be themselves??????

[Vaxkiller]

The Lyncher's randomized target can be anyone.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

yeah that's a fake slip

Can you explain this? You know, for the rest of us who ahve no idea where you are going with this?

[Vaxkiller]

I don't understand. The yakuza likely wont use their ability N1, they will probably kill, and they will know where to do so.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal is town af.

Pretty sure math dino is trying to pretend hes a lyncher but is actually jester.

[Vaxkiller]

At this point im looking for the last town, then the rest of you should click into place.

[Vaxkiller]

i lol'd

my reads are solid, you even agree with them

who's scum

What we agree that dreal is town? Big whoop.

Also FYI, Vaxkiller will never crumb and on that same note, manufacture town slips. I'm a horrible liar so when im scum I just try and pretend im town and go after people in that way, I don't try to manufacture it. I think there is a difference.

[Vaxkiller]

You can lock someone in as your second town, but I still think you gotta convince everyone elsa that your also a townie.

This is true.

[Vaxkiller]

dreal will vouch for post 104.

[Vaxkiller]

Well then I'll have to show you somehow.

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah, I mean the only reason you were "scum" reading me is because you thought I was dropping "town" slips? I thought that odd as well.

I really don't want to lynch dino tho, i think hes the jester.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

[Vaxkiller]

I think he WAS trying to pretend to be a lyncher on me (subtle, not knock you over the head).

Maybe just conf bias though. I really don't like the discrediting from him.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal I might be crazy but I think I'm town reading dino now.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm referring to "one of you has to be town" as the slip btw.

This made me look through Jay's iso, because if they believe NM to be town and also assuming they are town themselves then they should be clearly pushing specific people.

So I read the iso.

Wow they dont push anyone. It's filled with nothing. It's a show about nothing.

First thought when I read through it was MAYBE Jester, but honestly any of them could fit. I'm going to compare NM/James/Jay and try a whos who when I get a chance today. Hopefully I don't get too much conf bias, I still might be wrong about dino, but I think im right.

[Vaxkiller]

I guess dino pointing out Jay's slip doesnt necessarily make him town, I'm up in the air on James/Dino being the 3rd town. Jay is likely not the Jester tho so we should lynch there.

Looking at other isos.

[Vaxkiller]

Not mafias iso is basically him just trolling everyone. I'm trying to decide if NM gets Jester if he just plays into it not giving a fuck. Im leaning towards this being the case.

[Vaxkiller]

Wow is James short. Post 137 gave me some town vibes but I really got nothing else to go on here.

[Vaxkiller]

we have 9 pages, wtf do you need to look at isos for?

Cause I miss things.

Like Jay admitting they are a Jester?

[Vaxkiller]

dreal can you unvote so Jay doesnt hammer? We can't trust scum or whatever they are, from now on im reffering tot hem as the Axis of Evil. Or Axis for short.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm pretty sure this is Yakuza looking for the deprogrammer so they know where to do what.
VOTE: Jay

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, what's your current lynchpool? You're not voting anyone.

Jay and NM are conf Axis to me.

Dino/James - ? I lean James being part of the axis.

Dreal/Vax town

As far as a lynch pool, it's just Jay at the moment until I'm more sure on James and Dino... I'm leaning NM as a Jester now.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal pls vote Jay, if not, please unvote.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

[Vaxkiller]

N_M is town. He doesn't play like this as mafia. I'm sticking to someone I'm sure is scum.

Plus, I'm not confident you're willing to end the day right fucking now, so I don't mind vote parking here for a while.

lol then whats your town list?

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal do you think Jay is a Jester? I'm really leaning yakuza.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't think they are PGO hunting I think they are deprogammer hunting so they know who to NK.

Like if I'm the deprog the NK me and recruit you.
If your the deprog they NK you and look elsewhere likely because im not a great target to be a goon.

It's been put out there that the deprog should self target and I bet they are counting on that.

[Vaxkiller]

Lemme think on it tho, im taking lunch, ill be back in a bit.

[Vaxkiller]

Uhhh ok, 255 convinced me they are a Jester.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal I'd rather go with NM who I'm much more sure about, lemme look into this Dino lyncher case I guess.

[Vaxkiller]

Have you taken into account that Im the Lyncher and DINO's the Jester?

This was the least Jestery thing I've done.

Well now at least you can have fun messing with all of us.

[Vaxkiller]

Why can't NM be yakuza?

[Vaxkiller]

i straight up think vax is more likely to be yakuza than N_M honestly

but we can work that out tomorrow

i'm far more sure of james than i am on who yakuza might be

If I were yakuza, then I would just vote you. If I were yakuza then one of my axis read would be off and one of them would be town. IN a Vax!yakuza world explain who is town and explain my motivations here.

Vax!yakuza doesn't even begin to explain away dino!lyncher.

[Vaxkiller]

i straight up think vax is more likely to be yakuza than N_M honestly

but we can work that out tomorrow

i'm far more sure of james than i am on who yakuza might be

If I were yakuza, then I would just vote you. If I were yakuza then one of my axis read would be off and one of them would be town. IN a Vax!yakuza world explain who is town and explain my motivations here.

Vax!yakuza doesn't even begin to explain away dino!lyncher.

That's WIFOM bullshit. You're right, you voting me would just confirm you as yakuza.

Your axis is Jay/James/N_M, right? N_M is town. Easy. And if you're actually town, then yeah, you're right on the money.

No, your just trying to turn it into WIFOM bullshit.

My axis could only be Jay/James/N_M if your town. (Im town reading dreal) Right now im leaning you are the lyncher over James. I don't see NM as a lyncher.

[Vaxkiller]

you're

[Vaxkiller]

I thought I was voting NM.

[Vaxkiller]

No after that.

VOTE: Not_mafia

[Vaxkiller]

Geez, now you guys are entertaining my previous thoughts.

[Vaxkiller]

If you asked me earlier today I would have said Jay.

[Vaxkiller]

Then you guys convinced me they were a Jester. I told you NM was likely the Jester. I came around to your thinking and now you believe what I used to. Let me think about it while i play some dotas.

[Vaxkiller]

Sorry guys, super busy. From the last two pages, I'm a little unsure. While Drealmerz' suggestion is valid, it's not striking me as correct. I feel like a jester would be shooting for their own policy lynch, not searching for scum. That means obnoxious 1v1s, spam posting, etc. In that light, I feel like N_M is the Jester and Jay is the scum using the fact that Dino is the lyncher with their slot to hide it. But that's just me.

Yeah but this would be a normal UNKNOWN jester. In here we can have other scum masquerading as a Jester. Holy shit I spell masquerading right without having to right click the word and auto-correct.

Dreal, I think NM is the correct lynch. I'm thinking hes been "playing" jester since the beginning hoping we would ignore him. But yeah, HOly shit, every scum is acting the Jester card.

[Vaxkiller]

imo, a good jester is going to try and come off as yakuza come D2 while maintaing a group of players alive they think will lynch them come D2 (meaning that is what is dictating their reads and pushes and lynch desire on D1), I see jay aiming for that

yes, I could be wrong (shocking)

Question is: Is that would Jay or NM would do?

[Vaxkiller]

Im down with this.

[Vaxkiller]

lol crickets

[Vaxkiller]

Or, I'm town and you're a scummy scumbutt

If your town you need to claim.

[Vaxkiller]

James next plz.

[Vaxkiller]

@dreal

I think I have all the info I need. Instead of us claiming I would like to take a stab at the correct vote. I'm going to spin my wheel to decide if I'm voting the counter claim/claims that my role represents or counter claim/claims that I think you have, so there will be plenty of WIFOM in case we dont lynch he yakuza. If you would rather take the lead go for it.

[Vaxkiller]

Ok i spun the wheel and the god have decreed:

VOTE: MathDino

[Vaxkiller]

been busy

you folks are a little disappointing but it's okay

follow me to victory

VOTE: vaxkiller

You know what? I'm going to need you to claim. Your role should point you toward a guilty party/parties and you fucking vote me? You are 100% better than this and your failure to figure out what I'm trying to do has left me seriously questioning my read on you which is DRIVING ME NUTS because that would HAVE to mean that NM is town, and all he has done nothing this game to be helpful in the slightest.

[Vaxkiller]

Im the FUCKING DEPROGRAMMER DUMBASS

[Vaxkiller]

taht was rude.

I should have said your play is dumbass'y or something. i dunno.

[Vaxkiller]

Hints always fly right over my head.

[Vaxkiller]

BECUASE I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT! I wanted to add WIFOM liek I said earlier to make scum think our roles could be switched.

[Vaxkiller]

Yakuza lynch serves me best becuase im fucking town, we already know who the scum are so as long as we kill yakuza there is no shenanagins.

[Vaxkiller]

Claim dreal.

I'm 90% sure you are the doc.

[Vaxkiller]

dreal. We just mass claimed. That is why my read on dino has changed to a certainty. How the fuck else would I play before I knew dino was a certainty?

DO I know for certain he is yakuza? No. I'm willing to discuss that point with a possibility of lynching your CC if it makes more sense.

[Vaxkiller]

Seriously answer the above. You are accusing me of being scum because I didn't have a solid scum read on dino the entire game?

dreal. List town and scum for me.

[Vaxkiller]

answer my above.

[Vaxkiller]

Also FYI, Vaxkiller will never crumb and on that same note, manufacture town slips. I'm a horrible liar so when im scum I just try and pretend im town and go after people in that way, I don't try to manufacture it. I think there is a difference.

[Vaxkiller]

No.
Im fuckign worried about if we don't lynch the yakuza, becuase i know ill go crazy trying to decide who to deprogram.

THe reason I was so quiet is because I didn't want to tip who had waht!

[Vaxkiller]

I guess I should have explained that I would not CC due to wanting to keep our roles secret. I thought this was understood.

[Vaxkiller]

"take a stab at the correct vote" - HUH? you would be certain if you were town and you'd have voted immediately

it's really that simple

If I did this everyone would know our roles!

[Vaxkiller]

you forgot to consider that I could still consider you

I did, because I'm town. Have you considered that?

[Vaxkiller]

Your confusing my skepticism for knowledge.

[Vaxkiller]

you're

[Vaxkiller]

i don;t KNOW he is the Yakuza

[Vaxkiller]

you are the jester

[Vaxkiller]

WHY, WHY WOULD I PUSHING HIM EARLIER? I DIDN"T KNOW HE CLAIMED MY ROLE!

[Vaxkiller]

Just becuae I town read you doesn't mean I can't think you are wrong, or jsut follow you blindly.

Case in fucking point right here.

[Vaxkiller]

We need James replacement like NOW so I can have the 3rd townie talk sense to you, because I'm not getting through.

[Vaxkiller]

Just becuae I town read you doesn't mean I can't think you are wrong, or jsut follow you blindly.

Case in fucking point right here.

nice rhetoric, it wouldn't be "following me blindly" simply because you TR me

it would be that your options were limited on who is scum and who is town and by PoE, you should have would have settled on dino

At that point in the game I thought it was dreal/vax/dino town!

[Vaxkiller]

This game throw is on you if you don't wait for James replacement to talk you outta this stupid move.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal say this:

"I take full responsibility for throwing this game if Vaxkiller flips town"

I phrased it for you with "if"s even tho I know myself to be town.

[Vaxkiller]

Unless you convince EVERYONE that James is the Yakuza instead of you you got no chance. And since he's my target that ends the entire game here and now. Town probably doesn't want to take that chance.

I'm almost certain James is town. Without knowing dreals role I can't verify this, but I cant the NM in this game being town.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Mathdino

I don't knwo wtf is going on now.

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal claim.

[Vaxkiller]

Nm your Doc

[Vaxkiller]

So that does confirm James as 100% town

[Vaxkiller]

This means we wait for the replacement.

[Vaxkiller]

It's fine, we need to wait for James replacement.

[Vaxkiller]

Oh god damnit the Jester realized he can't win if we hang Vax. Now we REALLY need the replacement.

Can you explain this?

[Vaxkiller]

Ehhhh one of you is the jester and can only win by convincing us your not.

[Vaxkiller]

Hello boys! I bet you didn't see this one coming.

First of all; I don't even play Micros. Second; I have yet to read a single post (aside from Bins' opening post).

The only reason I joined the game is I liked the players list a lot, and thought it would be fun to play with you all, regardless of what role I might have received (and

now that I do know my role it's even more interesting

)

Notes to my self: The underlined will have a different interpretation to each player. Just wait to see how everybody interprets it and you will probably know which role each player got.

Sweet, that was a quick replacement!

Ok to Start, you are the PGO and 100% confirmed town due to no counter claims (dreal never claimed but he is scum reading NM, so do the math)
Dreal is like 99.99% town. Since you are the PGO hes the Doc the only other Doc claim is NM, and he has been trolling the entire game and has been 100% completely unhelpful for town, while dreal has showed a town perspective. There were moments were I was worried I was wrong but then dreal would hit me back with a healthy dose of suspicion on me.

Ultimately I assumed that dreal had the same read on me as I did him but I was wrong. We agreed to mass claim, but when it was my turn (and then dreals) I posted this:

@dreal

I think I have all the info I need. Instead of us claiming I would like to take a stab at the correct vote. I'm going to spin my wheel to decide if I'm voting the counter claim/claims that my role represents or counter claim/claims that I think you have, so there will be plenty of WIFOM in case we dont lynch he yakuza. If you would rather take the lead go for it.

Dreal pretty much scum read me for it. My reasoning is that I wanted to keep our roles secret in case we did not lynch the yakuza.

On a side note.
@dreal can you tell me why your scum reading me for NOT lynching dino? I've said this before: If I were scum, why WOULDN'T I lynch dino?

[Vaxkiller]

Rofl.

VOTE: NM

[Vaxkiller]

I mean dude, you failed to read everything.

[Vaxkiller]

With the lyncher dying and you not knowing the game state, it was kinda obvious.

[Vaxkiller]

I mean this setup was amazballs! I'm def going to have to play again.

a50 thanks for helping out on day 1. Who knew DIno was the lyncher! I had a SLIGHT suspicion because he did try and vote himself at one point, but everyone else seemed so much more Jestery!

[Vaxkiller]

What were we supposed to do.... I mean honestly?

[Vaxkiller]

i had a hard town read on dreal due to nm, i pretty much deserve to lose.

[Vaxkiller]

I cry

[Vaxkiller]

I kept bouncing back and forth on dreal, but then he would show suspicion of me, then go back to town reading me (or maybe I just confused town reading me with "working with me", it really looked like he was struggling as town with his read.


ugh

[Vaxkiller]

I brainfarted because I was deciding between Math and Vax for Yakuza d1, so when Math flipped Jester I moved to Vax. I knew the claims

Meh, i still had fun.

[Vaxkiller]

Would def play again. THis has to be the MOST interesting and balanced 4 alignment 6 player game!

[Vaxkiller]

GG everyone. THanks Bins!