Dance of the Title Fairy: Accepting Applications

[mastina]

oh yeah
maybe we should finally get rid of "Khan Man"

but then who will be our example of what a bad title is

We could always replace one bad title for Kublai Khan for another! That way, he'd still be our example of what a bad title is, while still getting rid of Khan Man!

[mastina]

*cough*
Snark Attack and Sleepy Crew
*coughs again*

That was not an avatar reference, just sayin'.

[mastina]

what does the reference to the killers song do? wikipedia says that lyrically the song depicts the jealousy and paranoia of a man who suspects his significant other is cheating on him
despite the name "Mr. Brightside" it seems like the exact opposite of the kind of point you're trying to make

Killers songs are not something you really have one fixed interpretation of. Nonsense lyrics are something they do (and are kind-of notorious for), and sure that's *a* possible interpretation of the song (and apparently is the official one), but it's far from the only one. There's enough ambiguity where you can write whatever meaning you want into them. And I feel like that ability to write a spin on things is part of Aristophanes's charm; he can support something that would otherwise superficially be negative, and make it clear he is supporting it because he sees it as a positive thing.

That makes the song reference a perfect fit for his character--the song might officially have a negative connotation with it, but Aristophanes is the type of guy who can put a positive spin on it such that it is a

good

thing, matching the upbeat nature of the song's tune rather than the literal nature of the song's given meaning.

So I

nth

the Aristophanes title.

[mastina]

I would like the tittle of ":P" please.

[mastina]

Give me what you think is most appropriate

Zulfy
most appropriate

Serious-talk, I actually love this title for Zulfy. Like. Legitimately. I want this title to stay for Zulfy even if all the other titles are reverted because while it might have been

given

as a bit of a joke, "most appropriate" is something that I feel is a good title for Zulfy ANYWAY.

[mastina]

give me

Bitter Old Fool

This is another title I think actually has some real value, though it's probably not as good as SKrew's other two titles. (I mean, that's not to say other self-titles don't have value. It's just that this is one where I can REALLY see the value in it, as in, "this could be something I could see being a serious nomination under the old system". Which a lot of the titles aren't.)

[mastina]

I'm fine with "Cheater"

Cheating is against site rules, title should be revoked.

Rules are "guidelines"

would be better.

[mastina]

Not 1 person on site has a title given to them by non-friends. Sorry.

Maybe nowadays but I distinctly recall that when I got Unabridged it was nominated by people who overall weren't rather fond of me, for instance.

[mastina]

I really like that. Ani put it very eloquently.

Second

.
I think it is very fitting for Hascel's forum presence and it is an incredibly clever, witty title which works on many levels.

[mastina]

To be honest.
I kind-of thought Psyche leaving my title on was part of the April Fools Day prank. I mean the title is quite literally, ":P", so.

[mastina]

Thirding Natirasha for Lily Leanan

. (Accountant was the first, ffery the second.)
I voted for Nati for good reason. (Well, Natirasha was one of my three votes anyway.) I thought that was one of the better titles given and do think it has merit.

[mastina]

Just gotta say.
Gin is on fire in this thread. Really ignited well.

[mastina]

(Yes. Yes it was. )

[mastina]

zakk do you understand why title fairies become grumpy assholes

I mean playing mafia is already enough of a test in your faith in humanity.

Being a title fairy is what finally pushes it over and breaks it beyond any semblance of hope you'll ever repair that gaping hole in your heart which was once your ideal that we would be worth it.

[mastina]

Happy Internet Birthday.

[mastina]

many users have created MS-centered art, including a lot for various Scummies ceremonies

I should like to note that those same scummers largely have titles related to artistic contributions on-site. Brandi is one who comes into mind immediately off the top of my head. I'd have to check the history to confirm for sure but I think Ether's title came from a similar venue. There's also a hand-full of titles based on contributions to mafiascum listed. (E.g. mikeburnfire got one for making the two flash pages.) So I'd say there's precedence.

[mastina]

Nominate zakk for the title of Expedience

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...

can we have a ban on zakk titles for now pls.

(But really, this.)

[mastina]

I wish there was something cool at 40k, im almost there

"Wisdom"

Nominate Wisdom for the title of Wisdom

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Sorrynotsorry.

[mastina]

(To be honest though the title I'd really like for Wisdom but which I'm pretty sure has already been suggested before and shot down is "Of The One", thanks to the obvious wordplay and how it has multiple dimensions to it as a title, being somewhat self-explanatory and suiting for his style of scumhunting, yet if it got suggested before and shot down then there's probably not a point in re-suggesting it.)

[mastina]

Actually fuck it. I'll do it anyway.

Nominate Wisdom for the title of "Of The One"

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Wisdom Of The One is a relatively-common term, usually used to refer to a system similar to Wisdom Of The Mod. (There are some technicalities which keep the two from being total synonyms, but they are pretty similar terms all the same. Technical definitions given here.) However, Wisdom Of The One in this case also applies to Wisdom as a mafia player. In my experience with him, Wisdom tends to--for better or for worse--place a disproportionately high level of trust in his own base instincts. He basically trusts his own gut, his own reads, to have a higher level of accuracy than those of others.

Thus...Wisdom Of The One: "I know best", but not with a connotation of negativity. It's just a part of him.

Edit:

And actually. I somehow AM the first person to suggest this. I searched Chevre's/SKrew's/Buttonmen's threads and nobody suggested this as a title for him. Wisdom got nominated FOR titles, but not THIS title. I really think this one's actually a good one though. It's not hard to understand; it's appropriate to him; it doesn't carry negative connotations. What more can you ask for?

[mastina]

Nah. It was fun, but nah.

When Ari rejects a nom you know you fucked up

[mastina]

Second Titan of Trajectory

.
God yes.

[mastina]

And thank you Psyche for your chronicles of discovery. I hope the dust on that wiki page wasn't too thick!

It shouldn't be; I stole some of your stuff for my own wiki so that means you've got my footprints there to remove the dust.

[mastina]

Nominate Ginngie for the title of "High-spirited"

.
Because.
(It's really self-evident if you think about it.)

[mastina]

idk i just never picked you for a dragonballz fan

This is one of the best posts in this thread for a very long time. <3

[mastina]

VOTE: Changing the thread's poll to be about whether to have a title for banned users.

[mastina]

Third Time's a Charm

for

mastin3

That's an odd nomination for an account which has two total posts. The closest I can think of for that being justified is this post here, but were that the case, you'd think a more appropriate nomination would be

Victor3

.

[mastina]

Second

.

[mastina]

I ACTUALLY LIKED IT EP I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL

[mastina]

Literally codified in every rule set before shotty. All the way back to Thok.

Shea knows his site history quite well and I can confirm. The rule did not start because of shotty. It was there long, long, LONG before shotty.

[mastina]

i guess so, if everyone keeps shouting it, it must be true!

When all of those people have joindates pedating yours and were around with an active involvement in the site culture prior to you even playing mafia here...yes.

[mastina]

Silence is golden.
Thread being quiet is okay when compared to shit.

Justsayin'.

[mastina]

Nominate Not Chara for the title of Chara's Alt

.
Because why not.

[mastina]

(There actually is a precedence for this via Empking, and yeah. It's a thing.)

[mastina]

Boy I remember the days were title fairy policy discussion happened in the title fairy discussion thread rather than in the thread which is supposed to be nominations-specific. Wasn't that a nice thing.

[mastina]

Also nom Aristophanes for Mr Green Sky

This one actually did give me a smile, but ultimately, Aristophanes's title should stay as-is unless he himself says otherwise.

[mastina]

Huh.

I honestly thought singer had a title already.

[mastina]

Oh, that is great!

Nth I Got This

^Echo, and adding my voice to the

nth

crowd.

[mastina]

Honestly
everyone who has tittles currently deserves them and no one else really deserves them so...

there are many people that

deserve

titles but don't have them yet because one good enough has not been suggested/approved.

When you combine these, you get my basic stance: basically everyone who has titles currently deserves them for one reason or another. (People may disagree, but I would STRONGLY recommend against arguing an existing title to be removed, as that's just a lot of unnecessary ~drama~ waiting to happen.)

Most of the people without titles...simply...don't really deserve them. (For instance, there's zero appeal in any scummer having 'doot' as a title as far as I'm concerned.) That doesn't mean that all people without titles don't deserve them; there are plenty of people like RadiantCowbells who most definitively DO deserve them...

...But the problem there is, none which are

good

enough have been suggested. Sure, yeah, there's no such thing as a "perfect title", in that perfection is the enemy of good. A title doesn't need to be perfect. Heck, a title doesn't even need to be 'great'. But a title

should

at least be "good", as it were. In short, just because we'll never find a perfect title doesn't mean we shouldn't hold

standards

for titles. And thusfar, by and large, we simply don't have nominations which are at the level where they meet the standard.

And time and time again, history has shown that almost every single attempt to force a title will fall short of the standard because...it was forced. Good+ titles just come naturally. They exist, and people can honestly, seriously, genuinely look at them and go "oh yeah that works!". When I see a good title, even if I don't understand the full context, I can support it because I can just

recognize

it as a good title.

So the thread being dead at times isn't inherently a bad thing. Because good titles appear when they will appear. Be it hours, days, weeks, or months apart from one another.

[mastina]

There's no such thing as deserving a title.

Perhaps that is not the best of wording. What I more mean there is more or less that you can be a great user with a strong established site presence, and be the type of person when a title is suggested to receive the reaction of "A title for this user WOULD be nice, but what was suggested isn't good enough", essentially.

As in, there is a

desire

for the scummer to receive a title, but in spite of the desire, no suitable title has materialized for them. RadiantCowbells is an excellent example of that model for me; he's had at least two or three attempts to title him which lasted for long periods and the general consensus was exactly that--"He could have a title, but not these titles because these titles aren't good enough", basically.

If I had to give it a succinct definition, it'd be:
"Scummers who are the same type of scummer as scummers who already have titles, yet do not possess one".

So that creates a feeling of, they "should" have a title; they "deserve" a title.

Obviously nobody's inherently deserving of a title or really entitled to one, but it makes a quick shorthand for point of reference. (It's easier to say "RadiantCowbells should have/deserves a title" than it is, "RadiantCowbells is the type of scummer who would have a title yet he currently does not possess one and my desire is for that to change".)

[mastina]

Anyone can have a title. There is no type of scummer that has a title.

Limitations have progressively been removed, I suppose, but saying there isn't a type of scummer that has a title isn't true.

We used to have minimum requirements before a user was eligible for a title.
We used to have different requirements on what warranted validity of a title.
These metrics were things which when they existed defined a type of scummer who would get a title--they had to fulfill the requirements we set.

Said requirements have been loosened and even removed with time, but they existed long enough to be ingrained in site culture, more or less.

You don't see a newbie who just finished their first game nominating a user for a title in spite of there being no rule preventing them from doing so;
You don't see a newbie who just finished their first game being nominated for a title in spite of there being no rule preventing them from doing so.

So while in THEORY anyone can have a title. While in THEORY there is no restrictions. By site culture. There are still restrictions. You don't nominate certain things; you don't approve certain things, etc. So yes, there is a type of scummer that has a title. This type of scummer is very, very, very broadly defined, sure, yes. But it exists all the same even though there's no rule about it.

[mastina]

I hereby propose this new title. Why it is appropriate should be clear to anyone who has ever played a game that they have modded.

l

o

l

b

a

l

a

n

c

e

I will

Nth

this title, including the spoilers and the rainbow text. This is something I distinctly associate as an Alisae trait. It is eir moderating color and the text within is paying tribute to their evolution as a moderator and the level of complicated games Alisae is known to run which sometimes can run afoul of balance complaints but are always fun and joyous (for the most part) to play in.

[mastina]

I'm happy (and I'm sure Psyche would be happy, perhaps after a month is over now) to be convinced that it's a good title by people but no one has really given any context to someone like me who knows you but isn't familiar with your games. No one has really given any specific context at all.

I'd be all too happy to provide context with limbo lifted as I am rather intimately familiar with Alisae's games and would not have given the support I did if I didn't think it was distinctly unique to em.

[mastina]

I think people seem to take 'lolbalance' at face value as just meaning the games run were inherently and necessarily badly balanced with zero care taken (as in, they think lolbalance = "fuck balance") when that is not the actual intention behind the title/practice and the standard meant to be emphasized in both the modding and the resulting title is more an emphasis on creating an enjoyable game which players know what they are getting in for when they sign up.

As an example, when players play a mastina-modded game, they have a fair idea it will feature something unconventional...to the point where when I ran a setup which was conventional, it being conventional was itself unconventional. (I literally ran games called "Hilariously Unbalanced", after all, meaning a player signing up for them knew that balance was intentionally not a focus of the game.)

So the point is more, when players play in an Alisae-modded game, they know that Alisae designed a complicated, complex game featuring many weird, unusual mechanics that developed intricate, quirky, unique interactions and so on and so forth, where a focus on entertaining the players is given and both sides are meant to enjoy the experience of the game and feel like they had a fair game...

...Even if the game was not, itself, balanced.

Alisae's run at least three micros which fall under that category for me, where balance is tricky to say if it was locked down or not, and yet the intention for fun to be had was made abundantly clear. Alisae's refined eir modding over the year, too. Alisae may have had a shaky start with games like Railgun, but every progressive Alisae game after that has gotten more and more refined with the formula of enjoyment, more or less.

[mastina]

Why are we, then, giving this title to Alisae and not the number of other notable current/former mafia mods who have been known to create hilariously bastard&complex setups?

To some extent...we have. That's the whole fucking point. The title has a previously established record for a similar premise--

similar

, but not

identical

. Alisae's own games, own take on things, is individually eirs. It is unique to em, and em alone. lolbalance, in spoilered rainbow text, however, is associated with Alisae. Not those other mods. It is an unusual trait which Alisae has a very specific version of, thus why it is title-worthy in the first place.

It is both unique to em, and yet has a precedence of things similar-yet-not-identical to it being title-worthy. This is not a hard concept to grasp--a trait which is notable as being title-worthy with precedence, and yet is still in its current form for the user, unique and befitting to them and them alone. The general idea behind lolbalance may apply to other mafiascum moderators. The specifics of lolbalance apply only to Alisae.

An easy example for me to cite is my first title, Unabridged--people may forget it, but I was not the first user to have a title for being verbose. (I'd have to look up which other user or users had titles for it, but I know they exist.) Verbosity is not a trait unique to me, even if I am the poster child of it. And it is even a trait which can be thought of as not inherently a good thing. However, because it is also not inherently a bad thing, the title was given regardless.

And for me, lolbalance is the same way. It is not inherently a bad trait. It is not an absolutely unique trait. However, it is a trait unique to Alisae to the point of being one of the main things I think about when I think of Alisae on mafiascum--lolbalance as a descriptor of essentially eir moderation philosophy.

There's over seven billion humans alive right now--you don't have to look very far to find similarities between some small amount of random people. Yet when those similarities are examined deep enough, with their intricacies exposed, each individual is unique in their manifestation of those otherwise-similar traits. And for me, Alisae's unique individual manifestation of this trait is perfectly encapsulated by spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance, whereas it wouldn't be for other mods.

[mastina]

To put it another way:
There is a happy middle ground for me when it comes to titles--
Precedence for a title, and individuality of a title.
If there is no precedence for giving a title of the nature suggested, then it is often called into question if we should give that title when there is no precedence for it.
If there is a precedence for a title, then the individuality, the uniqueness of the title is called into question; people wonder what makes it title-worthy if other scummers are known to have something similar.

These two ideals exist at opposite extremes in conflict, and for me, an ideal title is somewhere in-between the two.

I feel Alisae for spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance strikes the perfect balance of those ideals--there IS precedence to award a title off of unusual, quirky moderation habits, most (in)famously, Tar. And yet, the spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance is also something which is unique to Alisae, in that it encapsulates eir specific manifestation, their unique take on things, their individual personality, making it something special and meaningful to them specifically.

I further feel that it is not awarding something negative and quite the opposite is acknowledging something which has been positive since there is little doubt that most players in Alisae's games have had nothing but high praise for em, overall. The title isn't demeaning or insulting or meant as a joke or something really temporary; it has lasting power. And I feel it fits, it is appropriate for em. Plus, I simply don't agree with it being a bad title. I've shown my disagreement with the objective points raised about it being a bad title, and I can't really do anything about people who just subjectively think it's not a good title, can I? Except voice that I think it is a good title.

[mastina]

Btw, unrelated to current discussion and probably unpopular opinion but throwing it out as an idea--in a vein

similar

to the April Fool's Day stunt, would it be possible to experiment a little more with titles?

By which, I mean: we already have the existing policy wherein a user who ends up not liking their current title can always request for it to be removed and it will be removed.

So something which could be worth experimenting on is slightly looser standards on titles, in which we can allow some titles that might otherwise not go through...and then, revisit them down the line. If the title ends up being a flunk down the line (say, three months give or take), something not actually desired, then as per the already-existing policy the title can simply be removed.

This would be similar to Psyche's existing policy of tabling divisive titles for a month, "We can look back at it in a month; if the title still has power, we can nominate it then". Only this would be instead of not giving it and revisiting the possibility of giving it down the line, giving it and visiting the possibility of removing it down the line.

This would be a bit of a longer-term experiment though, in that it'd take at least two or three cycles (that being, ~6-9 months) to see if the idea had merit.

Something like this might be worth trying out at some stage tho.

[mastina]

Btw since I promised I would a while ago,

Nominate Ginngie for the title of "N1 Nightkill"

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[mastina]

Been done before.

Yes I'm quite aware, it was a joke off of a promise I made to her. Thus the ":P".

[mastina]

Ongoing game reference removed

-PP

[mastina]

Obligatory nomination for a worse title that derails the original's potential:

Nom Alisae for "Bad Joke Title"

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[mastina]

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving Mastina a title on this account if a good one comes up, but I think if we have to keep workshopping and trying to find one, it might just mean that there isn't really a good one to be thought of at the moment, and I do think that if we are actually putting in effort to find a title for somebody rather than it coming up "naturally".

Quotations there because I think it's rare that a title is perfect right off the dome, but it seems like the good titles aren't the ones where everybody says "Hey this person needs a title, let's all sit and try to think of one". I also don't think that a title has to encapsulate everything about a person in order to be a good title. Then again, I'm very new to the site, compared to a lot of the folks here, so this could all be completely wrong :^)

No, your thoughts are just about right as far as I'm concerned. Not just for me, for any user, this is more or less a fairly succinct encapsulation of what I feel is at the heart and core of the titling process. There really isn't a 'really good one' to be thought of at the moment, and it is anything but natural.

A title doesn't need to perfectly sum up a user. But the title needs to hold some sort of deeper meaning. Virtually every suggestion for a title for me is more or less "Oh she's verbose let's give her a title for that again in spite of us having done so explicitly once and implicitly a second time". (The Second Coming references MANY things and verbosity is not nearly at the forefront of them...but verbosity is

among

the things it references.) That's not what a title should be.

Yes, verbosity is a core aspect of me in multiple ways. I am verbose both in part because it is my natural default state (autistic people tend to be more wordy as a general rule in writing and I am no exception to this), and because I've come to accept it as part of my identity and learned to make use of it, both in weaving intricate narratives and in what I call "The Magic Of Talking". (I firmly believe that talking, just talking, holds a magical power which can bond people together like no other force. They just have to...let loose and keep going. About anything and everything. The results are just...magical.)

Yes, because it is a core aspect of me it is notable.
Yes, titles do not need to encapsulate all of the aspects of a user. They don't need to perfectly sum the user up.

But they need to still hold a level of actual meaning beyond just the surface level. This is what differentiates bad title suggestions from good ones. Good title suggestions just have this way of resonating in multiple ways. And while discussion for titles to some extent is okay, while some level of talking about titles is acceptable because rarely is it ever the first title suggestion that makes it through (the suggestions become refined along the idea to gain nuances), past a certain point, the discussion just falls flat because it becomes forced.

[mastina]

(tl;dr version: Good titles resonate on multiple levels. Suggesting a title for me because of verbosity is not something which resonates on multiple levels, it is something which just falls flat because while it is in fact referencing my most notable trait...it's doing nothing more than that.)

[mastina]

doot

User is doing the thing they have been nominated for a title for doing, we must avoid giving them a title now because clearly the existing trend is that you must stop doing the thing before being eligible for the title for that thing.

[mastina]

im ok w doot now generally speaking

I don't think that doot itself should ever be a title for anyone--it has been so consistently forced down our throats at every available opportunity. The explanation for why to have it as a title has been virtually nonexistent each and every time. Just, "it's a meme", or "it's just perfect" or the like when the meme is something which outside of this thread is not something I actually see (seriously, where and when is doot actually used outside of here?) and it's just something that is a forced meme/title on every level.

While I acknowledge wordplay on doot is clever enough (and there are some titles featuring doot in them which I feel would be acceptable) on some occasions, doot itself shouldn't be a title. I'd support a clever enough variation on it, which would give it a deeper meaning than just the forced meme. But doot in of itself is just a shit title. There's nothing to it except for the consistent forcing of it. It never had a deeper meaning. It never had a real backstory. It never had a real reason to be a title.

As far as I'm aware, it was birthed from the April Fools Day prank last year, and then people complained when it wasn't kept. And since then, 90% of the support for the title has been the same basic self-reinforcing group, who keep saying that it's worthy of a title because it's perfect/a meme and yet it's only a meme because people keep saying it's worthy of a title.

The title fairy has a history of giving WORDPLAY titles along that line--Accept When He Does is a wordplay on the people who kept trying to get Except When He Does through as a title. This I feel is perfectly acceptable and actually appropriate. But I feel like giving doot itself, no modifications to it at all, is just rewarding bad behavior.

[mastina]

nom vonflare for doot

In case it wasn't clear, I typed 4484 before 4477 was posted, but since the nom has now officially been made, consider my 4484 an explicit

anti-nom

.

Where does doot exist outside of this thread?

It's a serious question.

When has a doot nomination ever referenced anything except for content from this thread?

Still a serious question.

[mastina]

Nom Vonflare for Just Doot It

I can get behind that.

[mastina]

nom Creature for "Charismatic"

For those who know Creature, this nomination is kinda self-explanatory as to why it's something which is fitting (in a sense anyway).

But since it is common courtesy to assume people aren't familiar, to explain, this is a title nom explicitly for the irony: Creature has just about the least amount of charisma of any player in existence, in spite of having >random reads and being easily-identified as town in any given game. If you think that having an ironic title is fitting, then I'd encourage support behind it because it is just so much the opposite of Creature that it bounces back to being appropriate for him.

To put it another way, you can think of it as the equivalent of nominating me for the title of "Succinct".

[mastina]

This title for me works exceptionally well for vonflare

because he wants it

There's your problem.

[mastina]

The greatest sin of all. Wanting a title. doot.

Yes, actually. What you said in jest, I say with conviction. When it comes to the title fairy thread. Actively wanting a title is the greatest sin of all.

Titles are not something you actively seek out.

Titles are given. They are awarded.

They are not something you strive to get.

There's a reason we have the rules we do:

What are some rules?

1.Titles are gifts given from the community to users. So self-noms, insult-noms and their cousins are all mistakes.
2. Shitposts suck. This isn't GD. Your posts in this thread should usually be on-topic - contributing to the process of finding and securing good titles for users on this site. Occasional, especially tasteful off-topic posts are fine. But if a pattern of shitposting becomes evident and annoying, you'll be warned, and after repeated offenses or some egregious offense, you'll be banned from the subforum, etc.
4. Explain your nominations. Please? If you assume the reasoning is self-evident, you're gonna get disappointed.

The nomination of doot violates practically every rule set for the thread. It is a shitpost, explicitly done in this thread almost exclusively. I asked where doot exists outside of this thread for good reason. It is largely unexplained. It is not a gift given to vonflare, not when vonflare has been basically loudly trying to obtain the title ever since April of last year. vonflare awarded himself the title during the April Fools Day stunt so it is explicitly a self-nom.

Like I said. It's setting a bad precedence, rewarding negative behavior which this thread has explicitly frowned upon.

[mastina]

It's a trash forced meme that originated from complaints about another trash forced meme being suggested for a title. Please don't.

I'd say that the fact that he's actively campaigned for it should probably disqualify it, but there's already one title where that didn't apply that I know of, so fuck it right?

This title is just as shit as Shotty's was. Actively campaigning for a title goes counter to the stated idea of what a title is for. That argument is bad and you should know it, FB.

2. Shitposts suck. It's cool to joke or veer off-topic. But make sure it has some entertainment value, ok?

This is a thing.

This all still applies as far as I'm concerned btw.

[mastina]

rewarding negative behavior

Your titles are for your unnecessary wall posting

One, not inherently negative behavior. Verbosity is verbosity, nothing more and nothing less. Two, you might note there's good reason why I have shut down the titles suggested for me along those same lines. I've no desire to be titled for the sake of titling me, I've no desire to seek out a verbosity-based title, I've no desire to be awarded something which isn't actually worth awarding.

Of all reasons to dislike vonflare having doot, I think him wanting to have it is probably the worst.

It's not a matter of him wanting the title after it's suggested.
It's a matter of him wanting the title before it's suggested and then during the suggestion and after it's shot down to still continue wanting it even after the title fairy explicitly says "no". That level of campaigning for the title is not something which should be rewarded. It should be punished.

[mastina]

I don't think the argument "Vonflare -is- obnoxious shitposting!" is a good reason to give Von a shitposty title. It's a good reason not to give Von a title. Bad behavior doesn't earn gifts, why should somebody having no notable contributions other than bad behavior be grounds for a gift?

This is my thoughts on the matter summed up nicely.

It's not endearing.

It's not funny.

It barely was when it was new if it ever was at all.

It's just become forced since then, and it being forced is not grounds for it being a title. It's just bad behavior.

[mastina]

Sorry mastina, but no.

Given that matters such as 'endearing' and humor are subjective and thus determined by the individual, I think that I can definitively say:
Sorry, Ari, but no to your no; my point still holds.

It is not endearing to me.
It is not funny to me.
These are facts.

Given that I fail to see the humor in it, given that I fail to be entertained by it. To me it remains bad behavior. There's nothing charming about it. It's just...there,

at best

;

obnoxious

at worst.

I've no doubt some users find it endearing and some users find it funny--but I also have no doubt I am not alone in me not finding it endearing and me not finding it funny. It is far from universally true.

Basically.
It's undeniably bad behavior.
Some find the bad behavior to be charming (and think that because the bad behavior is charming it should be given as a title).
Some like me don't.
But it doesn't change that it's still bad behavior. Just bad behavior some like and others don't.

[mastina]

Title ffery.
It's meant to be.

But didn't we do so already?

[mastina]

Don't believe I've ever lied about my age online either, actually.

When sites required you to input a year for your age and refused to let users opt out/have it be anonymous/etc., then I input an obviously false age via putting it as the furthest date back possible. So technically speaking I can't say I haven't lied because strictly speaking that was me lying. It was just me telling the most flagrantly blatantly obvious lie possible and telling the site in silent resistance more or less, "no. Fuck you and your requiring of my age to be disclosed. If I can't hide my age, I won't let you know it in the only method I can".

Because if a site's shitty enough that it doesn't let you hide your age, it's shitty enough to not deserve the honest age as an answer.

[mastina]

quality nth

Indeed.

Nth Transparent

.

[mastina]

2nd Open Book

[mastina]

Just shut up, no one gives a shit about your fuckwit opinion you stupid cunt.

Stop it
Don't bully people ;_;

Spoiler:

NO BULLYING ALLOWED

[mastina]

Nominate Alisae for 'lolbalance"

No spoiler, no rainbow text, if people want those they can get added on later

+n many times over
think this says something philosophical about alisae beyond mafia even

I mean.
That was what I was trying to convey at the time.
It's not just modding, it's Alisae in general.
So yes,

Nth lolbalance

.

[mastina]

these ginngie titles are bad

Don't get me wrong, I'd be the first to want to title Ginngie, but.
'Tis true.

The titles suck.

I don't have any better suggestions, so unfortunately my recommendation would be to let it lie until someone does have a good suggestion, more or less.

[mastina]

spiff would basically be the only user with a permanent banner if we did that

Actually, other titles exist which are just images.
He would indeed be the only user with a permanent BANNER, but if the issue is with IMAGES, he wouldn't be unique in that regard; there's precedence. (Albeit rare.)

[mastina]

but only mastina gets the banner AND the title

Ginngie and Nacho I'm fairly certain would object to that.

[mastina]

in this case i personally value skilled benevolent dictatorship over democracy

QFT

I would like to add my voice to this.

The title fairy needs a human element.

I am okay with the human element being reduced. Tools to make the human's job easier? All for it. Tracking stuff automatically is fine by me. Reduce the workload on them, and all that.

But there needs to be someone saying "No." And being strict about it. Taking hard stances, even ones which go against popularity. To just say, "we're not doing that". And for that to not be on a number of nths versus antinoms.

Subjectivity is a part of the position, and one I place tremendous value on. It is an asset, a feature. Not a flaw.

[mastina]

It's better than a lot of the stuff that gets through. I wonder if we can make it do more? Like refer to something about who he is? Perhaps that's greedy. I feel like there's room for a pun here.

"Perfection is the enemy of good".

The title is very, very, VERY good; it is as close to perfect as you can get without it being perfect and I feel like putting the title off in a search for perfection is a mistake. (That's an

Nth

for

Deus Ex Machina

by the way.)

[mastina]

So I'll be honest.

If I read the current thread, I wouldn't really understand.

But by going back to the original suggestion.

Nom. Haschel Cedricson for Mr. Know It All

Because I swear to god this man knows everything. It's fairly common knowledge at this point that he goes to pub trivia every Wednesday and wins basically every time. The kicker? It's the line of a Kelly Clarkson song, and Haschel is apparently really bad at pop culture related trivia.

The moment I read it. It clicked into place. And made me go, "Oh yeah! I remember that now." And I remembered it all, just by going back to it.

I feel that, overall, that is a testament to it being a good title; it's something that you might not immediately get, you might not immediately understand, but the moment you put some thought into it and/or you hear the backstory behind it, you go "HOLY SHIT THAT FITS SO WELL".

As far as titles go, I'd say that's fairly good, so I'd say my

nth

stands.

[mastina]

Nominate Scummies account for "Spammer"

Apologies for that.

It's a one-time thing; from now-on, it'll be done only once games end.

[mastina]

an archiving team still exists?

In theory, yes.
Their job kinda got rolled into the wiki group's though in that the two groups had extreme overlap.

[mastina]

Maybe he's a piece of shit

The title more or less originated from him throwing shit as a player, so this is close to the truth, yes.

[mastina]

You’ve got mail!

?
I’m only half-serious with this but maybe it works.

While I appreciate the pun and it made me smile, it would not be a good title.