Micro 780: SHENANIGANS

[Mathdino]

I express my sympathies to any lynchers that had their 20% shot land on me.

VOTE: Jay

[Mathdino]

Also yeah, we're not L-1ing anyone due to Lyncher/Jester shenanigans.

And no, we're not massclaiming, the point of the PGO is to kill the jester and mafia if we fuck up during the day.

[Mathdino]

Explain this.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

yeah that's a fake slip

[Mathdino]

Believing Vax is not town in some sense. Faked a townslip, talking about setup spec more than reads.

[Mathdino]

Deprogrammer should self-target, as they're the only ones they know are town. The NK can be altered by the yakuza's ability and the jester's ability to visit the PGO.

[Mathdino]

The fuck?

If we lynch town it's highly likely that the Lyncher just ends up winning as a result.

[Mathdino]

Lyncher auto-wins and ends the game. The last run of this setup was a Lyncher victory on a IIRC Deprogrammer lynch.

[Mathdino]

I feel like NotMaf is doing Mind games with me and Dino again, except this time I know Dino isn't his scum partner leading me on

Dangit NotMaf why do you got to be so complicated yet simple?

wait holy shit do you watch this show
this is my favourite tv show
barely anyone i know actually watches it enough to pick up GIFs from it

[Mathdino]

Jay is doing the thing where his playstyle masks potential scumminess. It doesn't look like he's self-aware about it. Feeling scum there.

Still pretty sure Vax faked a townslip and is barreling after me for calling that shit out. There's nothing wrong with lynching lyncher first. Feeling Vax lyncher (not necessarily on me).

drealmerz is town imo. Really the only one putting in genuine depth to his scumhunting.

[Mathdino]

Mafia is going to play to survive and not get lynched. They, by wincon, can't help Lyncher or Jester in the short term, and could very well convert the Lyncher/Jester.

Jester is going to play to get lynched, and lynch whoever stands in the way of that.

Lyncher is going to play to not get lynched, and lynch people who stand in the way of lynching their target.

[Mathdino]

Help you... what? Get lynched?

I gave reads last page. I don't think Vax is jester unless he's playing the "play dumb to the point of being antitown" strategy.

[Mathdino]

Seems likely, yeah.

If anything I think he's lowkey pretending to be the jester with the OMGUS and "???????".

[Mathdino]

tbh not_mafia is more likely just being bad town

[Mathdino]

Yeah.

Current view of the game is Jay/Vax scum, James jester, drealmerz/N_M town.

Luckily the scum can fulfill their win con by lynching each other while pretending to be town, so it all works out.

[Mathdino]

So who's jester?

[Mathdino]

I'm thinking Not_Maf/Drealm is jester, Vax is scum, and Jay == Lyncher maybe?

you think lyncher calls their target a jester?

[Mathdino]

i lol'd

my reads are solid, you even agree with them

who's scum

[Mathdino]

I'm willing to accept that as long as drealm seconds it.

VOTE: Jay

[Mathdino]

drealmerz, if I'm the lyncher, who do you think my target is?

@Mod:

If the Lyncher target is mafia, does town still win upon mafia lynch?

Occurs to me that there's a 1/5 chance we have to lynch the lyncher before the mafia.

[Mathdino]

i mean my ability to not lose is first and foremost tied to IDing and not lynching the jester
and so people repeatedly calling me the jester is just not a useful convo for me

then i'm trying to figure out if we can/should lynch the lyncher first (waiting on the mod for that one)
can't lose to the lyncher if you lynch the lyncher

explain the N_M scumread
at the very least he's either intentionally or not playing against his jester nightless meta

[Mathdino]

ok cool so we lynch any scum besides jester sounds good

[Mathdino]

No, because then mafia suicides and makes someone else the mafia.

[Mathdino]

>still voting drealm

VOTE: James Brafin

Fairly sure this guy is the actual lyncher, given that he doesn't seem to know what a real lyncher tell is.

[Mathdino]

Honestly? The jester knows there's no actual jester out there, the lyncher knows there's no real lyncher out there. Both are ill-equipped to jesterhunt/lyncherhunt.

Everyone's played mafia before though, it's much easier; call someone scum, get them lynched, don't get lynched yourself.

I'm basically suggesting you can find the lyncher by figuring out who's shit at finding the lyncher. Being "trigger-happy" is not the hallmark of a lyncher, who needs to get a specific person lynched.

[Mathdino]

I don't expect the lyncher to beeline their target right away. I expect them to bounce around all day and eventually settle on their target with a damning case. Hunting for lynchers with a target this early is asking to be wrong (or to accidentally lynch a jester).

[Mathdino]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people who think I'm playing like a jester actually IS the jester, given that they have to not lynch other people.

[Mathdino]

drealm, you already have your lead. Interrogating Jay about it isn't going to do anything. Great, he's probably a jester, let's move on and lynch anyone else.

VOTE: James Brafin

[Mathdino]

^This is a slip.

Idk what set of people Jay was referring to, but if it's {Vax, Not_Mafia, James}, and if Jay were town, the town could very easily be {Jay, Mathdino, drealm} from his perspective.

And if he's referring to {Mathdino, drealm}, the active pair, Jay could be town with any of Vax, N_M, and James.

Jay is scum who knows there's 3 town out there.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it were an intentional slip and he's jestering it up.

[Mathdino]

I'm referring to "one of you has to be town" as the slip btw.

[Mathdino]

Jay confirmed jester. Has to lynch town because town would never lynch him tomorrow.

[Mathdino]

Okay, again, why the fuck else would Jay be actively hunting for the PGO? A real deprogrammer literally just has to target himself to not get mafia'd.

We lynch James, Vax, or N_M.

[Mathdino]

Vax, what's your current lynchpool? You're not voting anyone.

[Mathdino]

So Dino is confirmed not Deprogrammer, that leaves two town roles for him to claim.

And I am Deprogrammer until otherwise Counterclaimed.

The fuck?

No one's going to counterclaim you when you're literally a jester LOOKING FOR COUNTERCLAIMS. Give me a break.

[Mathdino]

Jesus christ Vax, Jay is jester by like 5 tells, get your vote off him. If Lyncher has Jay as his target, they can quickhammer.

[Mathdino]

You should only be voting me if you're absolutely sure James isn't my lyncher. Since he's not voting me, he very well may end the game if you vote me.

Either way, we should be lynching James anyway.

[Mathdino]

N_M is town. He doesn't play like this as mafia. I'm sticking to someone I'm sure is scum.

Plus, I'm not confident you're willing to end the day right fucking now, so I don't mind vote parking here for a while.

[Mathdino]

It's either drealm/N_M or drealm/Vax. Leaning toward N_M being town.

[Mathdino]

Either way, whichever of you is scum should be willing to work with me to lynch the other scum, James.

[Mathdino]

I'm inclined to believe Dino, which also destroys his credibility. But hey, when Dino's right, he's right.

less talk from the jester thanks

[Mathdino]

Then we lynch him tomorrow after James flips scum.

[Mathdino]

Jay never gets himself lynched if I die telling you guys to never lynch him.

[Mathdino]

Dreal do you think Jay is a Jester? I'm really leaning yakuza.

dude every single indication is that jay is jester

even if you think i'm scum, you should believe me on that

we should not be lynching jay

[Mathdino]

okay jay then who IS the jester

[Mathdino]

lol well jay's never voting me

you need both town and the mafia and the lyncher to be on me

i'm not getting lynched unless lyncher decides to fuck his own wincon

[Mathdino]

VAX

DOC CAN JUST PROTECT DEPROGRAMMER

WHILE DEPROG PROTECTS HIMSELF

That kind of strategy ONLY works if we massclaim.

[Mathdino]

omg, I have no confidence in any of you

WHHYYYYYYY?!?!

I didn't want to have to say this shit, but, it seems I have to

deprogrammer needs to target me (if I'm not deprogrammer) because otherwise I'm getting recruited and ya'll are fucked

doc should be no me too (if I'm not the doc)

what the fuck?

stop softclaiming

jay's claim isn't real, just ignore it

[Mathdino]

i feel like jay isn't putting me at L-1 because he believes james is actually my lyncher so it's gg for jay when i die

[Mathdino]

doesn't it benefit you to lynch scum with me if you think i'm jay's lyncher?

so i just have to convince you james is mafia over not_mafia right?

[Mathdino]

Have you taken into account that Im the Lyncher and DINO's the Jester?

i fucking lol'd

[Mathdino]

i'm literally this sure of jay not being my lyncher
VOTE: Mathdino

you can't win on this angle when i'm willing to just prove you wrong jay

[Mathdino]

"oh, I was AFK when he made that vote!"

remember not to lynch jay tomorrow, thanks

[Mathdino]

VOTE: James

[Mathdino]

I don't want you to murder me, actually. I'm making it as clear as can be that you're the jester.

Not my lyncher.

Not mafia that can just lynch anyone.

[Mathdino]

Jester's not gonna join you. I'm not gonna join you. So unless N_M decides to self-vote, what's your plan for pushing this lynch through?

[Mathdino]

i straight up think vax is more likely to be yakuza than N_M honestly

but we can work that out tomorrow

i'm far more sure of james than i am on who yakuza might be

[Mathdino]

also i never even claimed james was the yakuza lol

[Mathdino]

i straight up think vax is more likely to be yakuza than N_M honestly

but we can work that out tomorrow

i'm far more sure of james than i am on who yakuza might be

If I were yakuza, then I would just vote you. If I were yakuza then one of my axis read would be off and one of them would be town. IN a Vax!yakuza world explain who is town and explain my motivations here.

Vax!yakuza doesn't even begin to explain away dino!lyncher.

That's WIFOM bullshit. You're right, you voting me would just confirm you as yakuza.

Your axis is Jay/James/N_M, right? N_M is town. Easy. And if you're actually town, then yeah, you're right on the money.

[Mathdino]

you could help me bus

[Mathdino]

yes, he's here to troll

have you literally never played with him before

[Mathdino]

I'm pretty damn sure Not_Mafia isn't my lyncher. His shit read on me is consistent with our towngames together.

[Mathdino]

Now why the fuck would i vote town

[Mathdino]

No i have James as lyncher and Vax as yakuza with a chance of Not_Mafia

Although no one really totally makes sense as yakuza tbh

[Mathdino]

Tbh a little bit

[Mathdino]

I mean Not_Mafia is literally playing the exact same strategy as when he was mafia in jester nightless

Could expect me and Jay to lynch him for that

So Jay mafia with Not_Mafia jester would actually work

[Mathdino]

So why is Not_Mafia playing the exact same strategy

Go read jingles jester nightless

[Mathdino]

VOTE: JaydragonKing

N_M is the jester.

He copy pasted that opening from our game in jester nightless, with the strategy of literally just pretending to be the jester until I got pissed off and bussed him.

He expects me and Jay to see that behaviour and immediately remember that game, AND he knows that tunneling me this hard has twice gotten me to powerlynch him. He expects an easy win.

We are NOT lynching Not_Mafia today.

[Mathdino]

No, one of you needs to unvote him right now because he's self-hammering when he gets online.

[Mathdino]

Jay I get that you're (presumably?) pretending to be the jester on purpose, but voting Not_Mafia is more likely to end the game than "confirm" you as the jester.

[Mathdino]

Who are you claiming your target is then?

[Mathdino]

Can we lynch Jay then?

[Mathdino]

I mean you being a believable lyncher confirms me as not the lyncher, so this should settle the case on me.

[Mathdino]

Why would Not_Mafia-yakuza be so deadset on lynching me?

[Mathdino]

jesus christ

jay-jester doesn't vote me the moment i start trying to lynch him

we lynch between jay and james today

not not_mafia

[Mathdino]

I'd rather lynch you unless it becomes exceedingly obvious James is yakuza.

[Mathdino]

Vax: We lynchin James or Jay?

[Mathdino]

drealm who exactly do you think is gonna vote N_M

depending on what happens i can maybe accept a N_M lynch tomorrow but not today

spell out for me whose votes you think you're getting

[Mathdino]

N_M is literally the lynch most likely to be jester, so no, he's not the safest lynch

no matter what you think my wincon is, i believe he's jester and lynching him ends the game

[Mathdino]

Because it doesn't make sense for him to be lyncher OR yakuza by doing that.

Like, yes I'm pointing out scummy things he's doing, but that's literally a towntell for Not_Mafia.

[Mathdino]

because you're a jester

[Mathdino]

you were gonna votepark yourself, but that didn't work, so you voteparked on me and hoped the magic would happen

it has not happened

or at least i won't let it

[Mathdino]

it should 100% be jay first

i'll lynch james tomorrow unless he's uncc'd in which case it's vax

[Mathdino]

if NM is jester all he's doing is trying to replicate the last game he was jester in and get away with it, and I see that as possible too

my top 2 jester reads are jay and NM and with dino saying it is NM

no, N_M is replicated his SCUMGAME

the one that jay and i were both in

i would ask jay to attest to that but he's scum too so

point is, N_M is replicated his scumgame (that he got lynched in for doing this shit) to get me and jay in particular to lynch him

the ironic thing is everyone BUT us wants to lynch him

[Mathdino]

Deprogrammer. I night directed myself on page 2 or 3 and you can check my reaction to Jay's deprogrammer claim.

I fundamentally disagree with the massclaim but if it's already started there's no sense stopping.

[Mathdino]

dude it literally doesn't matter as long as we lynch scum today

[Mathdino]

it's not like scum is gonna be sitting on their hands trying to figure out which of you is which

most likely they're just gonna do whatever they want at night

[Mathdino]

pretty sure your vote isn't gonna get them to get cold feet and vote james lol

un-cc'd doesn't mean scum

also i'm pretty sure i know who the actual PGO is

[Mathdino]

talk to me vax

i'm still at {james, jay} for the scumteam

[Mathdino]

if i somehow get quicklynched by jay/drealm

remember to lynch james if he's still alive tomorrow

not_mafia jester, you'll have jay's vote (i straight up believe his lyncher target, and i also believe his target is scum), add that to 2 town and you can insta-win

[Mathdino]

tbh i WOULD say to lynch vax but you won't get enough votes for that if vax is scum

better to live in the realm in which we can still pull this off

[Mathdino]

and if james suicides and converts because you lynched your deprogrammer

well

fucking lol gj guys

[Mathdino]

Scum? Scum.

drealmerz you need to claim. I'm not ruling out the possibility of town fakeclaiming as a crazy gambit. I feel like that's exactly what town does in this situation. I'm not lynching a townread over this just yet.

[Mathdino]

he claims his target is you

scum shooting you would be hilarious

we should honestly just lynch jay if we know for a fact he's scum

[Mathdino]

given that drealm's vote on me was basically a "fuck you, i'm lynching you if you're not lynching not_mafia with me"

and given that drealm is trying to powerlynch vax when our claims are at odds

i heavily heavily doubt that drealm is my lyncher

[Mathdino]

as long as you don't end up lynching not_mafia because you don't think he could be jester

you're damn welcome

[Mathdino]

A50, town can't win with lyncher unless lyncher's target is the mafia themselves

that deal is nonviable

we should just lynch jay

[Mathdino]

That doesn't hold water, my friend. Why would Jester NOT hammer you? OK, why wouldn't Yakuza? The fact that you put yourself @L-1 tells me you ARE the Jester who is/was eager for Yakuza to hammer, or maybe was hoping to verify if Jay was a lyncher on you (and still win while you confirm it).

you made my point for me somewhere

jester doesn't hammer because they run the risk of getting shot by mafia, converted, or running into the PGO (or mafia running into PGO which ends the game)

mafia doesn't hammer because hammering would literally just be a scumclaim

i wanted to show that jay wasn't my personal lyncher and i did that

plus jay is a lyncher but not on me anyway

[Mathdino]

@Mod:

If mafia is lynched D1 and town then lynches the Lyncher's target D2, who wins?

[Mathdino]

Jay doesn't win with town, what a lie

[Mathdino]

I liked you more when you were calling me jester drealm

My lynchpool remains unchanged

[Mathdino]

fuck did i just confirm myself as not jester

[Mathdino]

holy fuck i was literally gonna just log out at L-1

[Mathdino]

wait are there 3 votes

VOTE: Mathdino

[Mathdino]

WAIT I THOUGHT THERE WERE 2 VOTES

[Mathdino]

someone do a count

[Mathdino]

Ok i spun the wheel and the god have decreed:

VOTE: MathDino

oh my god i missed this vote

fucking fuck shit

[Mathdino]

If drealm is PGO I guarantee A50 is the mafia

Otherwise, it's Not_Mafia mafia with Jay jester

[Mathdino]

I swear I'm not a gamethrower
I can't fucking count votes fml

[Mathdino]

I wasn't gonna recover from A50 voting me unless I played into his Dino jester paranoia

[Mathdino]

Bins I'm so sorry

[Mathdino]

How is it stupid for town to lynch the claimed lyncher

[Mathdino]

What's your plan tomorrow when I flip lyncher lol

[Mathdino]

I saw this one coming

Didn't give a shit tho because I didn't actually need to scumhunt lol

Drealm was my pathway to victory, so was Not_Mafia

I voted the people not voting me lol

[Mathdino]

oh shit I just realized my mistake lmfao

oh well

this was shenanigans anyway

What mistake

Yakuza kills deprog and wins

[Mathdino]

I'm a little weirded out that there's basically no penalty for lynching the jester

[Mathdino]

Wait but how does A50 win without Vax

[Mathdino]

Drealm absolutely made the right call there given his position

Although yakuzing and converting Not_Mafia would've been the troll solution

[Mathdino]

Wait but how does A50 win without Vax

I have to sacrifice myselfon A50 and recruit him to maf in order to get him killed, technically

Deprog can just protect A50 though right?

[Mathdino]

Tfw my proudest scum games both involve jesters

[Mathdino]

Drealm, what was your actual read progression on me through d1?

I can tell you I didn't have you pegged as scum d1 but that's also literally cuz I played as if I were scum myself so I didn't give a shit who scum was

[Mathdino]

Nah I just hoped you were a lyncher on me

Then I just used my certainty of you not being a lyncher on me

As an angle to prove drealms theory of me being a lyncher on you

[Mathdino]

You lowkey crumbled lyncher on me a couple times

[Mathdino]

You lowkey crumbled lyncher on me a couple times

@jay

[Mathdino]

Now that I think about it, drealm never considering me being yakuza when I was literally playing as if I were (and relying on me being bad at scum to get lynched)
Would've been a major mafia tell

[Mathdino]

I also freaked out when A50 replaced in

I was playing to the playerlist

He had me good as jester then changed his mind for some weird reason

[Mathdino]

I always prefer the scenario of being the only winner no offense