Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

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VOTE: Cabd

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Ari if you’re really like 90 pages behind with no plans to catch up have you considered replacing out?

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Ari if you’re really like 90 pages behind with no plans to catch up have you considered replacing out?

I am and I have. However I think the Pine strategy is what I need to do.
Once I have that as a base I can Iso and make/support cases at least as well as being relevant in up to date conversations!
I've done it before, I can do it again! You can't get rid of me that easily, Spiff

I mean I can get rid of you pretty easily by lynching you tomorrow

I just feel like town!Ari this behind would realize he’s being detrimental and consider replacing our whereas scum!Ari is more likely to lurk and be unhelpful as a strategy

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Cheet can you talk more about why you think implosion could be the remaining scum? He's someone I mostly had written off Day 1 so I need to take another look at him.

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first

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is that meant to imply that you're now scum reading me because that would be annoying

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Ginngie do you actually

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Ok cool I'll be sad if you're lying though

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hey spiff sorry about assemble/cabd.

I'm not voting until I get an apology for this UNCALLED FOR comment

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Cheet did you actually think I was scum?

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We can just not hammer for the next two weeks and just hang out

That way the thread won't get locked!

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Guys I was PARAMOUNT in Mulch getting lynched over Kagami so I am basically the MVP of this game

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Ginngie what was your role?

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wow nice job you're the best

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lmao I was thinking that Cheet

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this will probably be my last mafia game with my banner I need to savor these last moments of superiority

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They removed that Scummie so all hope is lost

That's why I need to win Team Mafia

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Btw I'm nomming Ether for best mod when this is over because we got a vote count like every single page

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I am brave
I am bruised
I am who I'm meant to be
This is me

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hardclaim compulsive retconner.
Cabd is now town. play resumes.

wow they've really expanded the confines of the what's considered normal these days

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Guys I'm afraid people will think Eddie Cane is being serious and actually lynch Ginngie so we should stop

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guys poll who's the towniest living player itg

okay I'm gonna case ginngie

#partypooper

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VOTE: Toranaga
It was more fun when we were talking about random things you guys are ruining it

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Eddie Cane can you not do this it's really stupid

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Faking a guilty on town makes you a bad mafia player

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[plus Spiff gets to be wrong about everything if he's town so that's a plus].

Hey I scum read Mulch and Cabd when it counted

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Yes faking a guilty in general is awful but if it ends up lynching scum I normally don't care

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Eddie Cane literally flipped vanilla and he had claimed a semi-guilty on Una that almost forced him to claim

When did this become a think that's ok to do?

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I really have to read back on associations with flipped scum I plan to do that at some point today

How do you feel about a mass claim?

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Sorry you made a garbage call if you're town

You only have yourself to blame

I completely agree with Cheetory's reasoning for wanting you dead before endgame

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I am very much in support of a mass claim, I'd like to hear others' thoughts on it

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Actually I don't know how many info roles we would even have in this set up so maybe it would be best to wait another day?

I keep forgetting the scum team is more outnumbered than normal

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I'm sad Kagami was night killed

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I can confirm that I have been prodded

I really have no idea who is scum atm so I'm gonna look at associations with flipped scum like I said I would and hopefully find something!

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V/LA til Wednesday the 14th

I have 7.2 million things to do in the next 48 hours

Also I'm not scum so anyone keeping me in consideration is welcome to write me off as town to make mine and your lives easier

I promise I'll try to find the remaining scum Wednesday

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I am down for a mass claim

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Is it weird that the minute I declare V/LA is when I suddenly want to make time for this game?

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Don't worry it was a fleeting feeling I'm back to wanting to go to sleep

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I kind of feel like Spiff would hate winning here as scum with how he's performed. Like, he felt annoyed when everyone called his performance in biochem a lurkerscum win. I suspect he'd be kind of embarrassed by winning Team Mafia by underplaying this hard?

lol @ everyone who was salty about that

But I think this is a bad reason to town read me

A more accurate reason is that I wouldn't be this unhelpful as scum

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P.S. I have an hour or two to spare soon so I'm gonna maybe do things?!?!?!?

Who's excited?!?!?!

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KMD has some really unfortunate reads on Day 1 with defending both Mulch and Cabd while mostly going after Kagami who has flipped town

I do think he would have really overextended on defending Mulch if he were his scum buddy but it's possible he thinks that's necessary with only a 3-man scum team. There are a few things I find odd and make it a little more unlikely for KMD to be the final scum buddy:

Re: Cabd

sounds like he's claiming Friendly Neighbor, which probably makes him town.

Independent of that, I've been a little fence-ish on him in general, but I have a reason (which I don't think will be respected by the crowd) to think that he's unlikely to pick up a scum PM for him team.

I remain curious what exactly he expects from me, as he knows I'm not a super-interactive player. I continue to expect something and remain patiently waiting.

Not sure where you are getting friendly neighbor from, but I'm surprised you'd be so quick to believe it considering you won a game as scum where your partner fakeclaimed friendly neighbor.

Not only does KMD seem to not even be aware that Cabd was claiming friendly neighbor, he scolds Kagami on believing it in the first place.
If KMD were scum with Cabd, I would expect
1. Cabd to brief his scum buddies on his planned fake claim so KMD should probably know about it
2. KMD to not shit all over a friendly neighbor claim if he knows his scum buddy is trying to save himself with one

Also this gives me pause

I only have one reason for reading him because the way he plays makes it hard to take him seriously. He has like 300 posts. Probably two are readable. So good luck finding them. As I've said before, if you want to policy Lynch him I'm not against it especially because it's what my team wants anyway. It just feels weird to do it when I think he's town. I will say I'd rather Lynch mulch than cabd.

because Mulch clearly had the better role and if given the choice scum!KMD would probably prefer to keep the roleblock over what was basically a goon. Especially since KMD had done so much work defending Mulch throughout the game, he wouldn't have had to make up a reason to justify wanting Cabd lynched over Mulch.

None of these are really smoking gun material for KMD's towniness but it's enough to make me doubt that he's the third scum.

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You forfeited your right to complain about the gamestate when you faked a guilty

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Ugh I just wrote up a post with quotes and stuff about implosion looking bad with Mulch associations but felt some of it might have been me hoping to find something rather than actual evidence of scummitude so I scrapped it all

The basic premise is that implosion seemed to hold Kagami and Mulch as equal scum leans for most of the day, but he ultimately goes full on after Kagami and kinda "looks the other way" regarding Mulch when it's inevitable that one of them is getting lynched that Day.

I'll think about it more when I can come back to this

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Oh and all that was accompanied by his last vote for Kagami being a pretty opportune time to try and save his buddy if he were scum with Mulch

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I am ok with that

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Tbh I don't really care either way

I guess I hoped that there would be some info role that could out results and maybe more PRs around that would make claiming VT a worse option for scum to hide behind but I guess game balance is a thing

Doctor should be on someone who hasn't claimed yet

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I’m a VT lul

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I’m thinking we don’t have something that can clear people

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Or maybe some power role claimed VT to remain hidden

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I'm realizing now that I should have just refused to claim

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Maybe we'll just lynch scum here and this will all be inconsequential

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He's next on my "look at associations with flipped scum" list so I'll let you know soon!

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Gamma was following along closely enough to notice me mentioning him, but he has no reads/input on the game itself.

Yeah this is probably the biggest indicator of scum in this game

Teammates following along but not having any input are probably not teammates of a town player

There's literally no point in following along if you're not going to give any reads and discuss things with the player actually in the game

(I have to check the actual context of this but as it is now it's p. damning)

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Best thing to do at this point is just try to scumhunt.

UUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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bad vote

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Yeah I really capitalized on that null read on Mulch by never voting for him and easily justifying a vote on my stated scumlean Kagami to secure a mislynch

Oh wait that didn't happen

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implosion pretty much all of the stuff you're suddenly pulling out looks like you decided to scum read me and are combing through my posts in order to find some stuff to justify it

What do you think about my interactions with Mulch later in the day?

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I honestly personally feel like that should be a townread on Cabd. I think that an explicit (well, i guess this wasn't explicit, but it was REALLY DAMN OBVIOUSLY there) friendly neighbor claim (even softclaim) should lead to him being in the town pile. Even if you have a scumread on him otherwise. I think other people might have done this too but it felt a little icky then too. It just looks like scum who wants to hedge because they know the claim is fake.

I went through basically half the day (before rereading) with Cabd as my only scum read. He had done nothing worth town reading. The friendly neighbor claim brought him UP to null as I already pointed out.

I also think the whole "Spiffeh playing safe putting his scumbuddies in the null pile" goes against the notion implosion's pushing about me being very capable as scum. At the very least it's a pretty big jump for one readslist without reading context behind the Cabd and Mulch reads that lead me to those conclusions.

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implosion pretty much all of the stuff you're suddenly pulling out looks like you decided to scum read me and are combing through my posts in order to find some stuff to justify it

not entirely inaccurate

What do you think about my interactions with Mulch later in the day?

haven't read in detail

You should probably do that before cherry picking posts of mine that you can say literally anything negative about

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Cheet I'm glad I have you here to defend my honor

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Not sure yet. Without any more investigation I'd say Ari or implosion.

I haven't voted because I still haven't looked at everyone's interactions with flipped scum which I plan to continue later this evening

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My town list rn is {Cheet, KMD, Una, Chara, Ginngie, Firebringer} roughly in that order

Patrick is probably town too but I haven't done my due diligence there

Leaving Ari and implosion

I'll try to actually for real ISO-dive Ari for associations with Mulch/Cabd and read what I missed today later on

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(well, the latter half mostly skimmed, but the parts when his scumteam was alive were actually read.)

lol

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I think if we lynch {Arisophanes, implosion} we win and if not then idk

Probs just gonna vote Ari tomorrow, maybe I'll some how feel motivated to invest some time in to the game other than that but I doubt it

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VOTE: Aristophanes

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If you're actually town your efforts would be much more worthwhile elsewhere

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Yes Chara unless it is used to proclaim my towniness meta should not be used

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I think it is

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I hope this is over now

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I have a bad feeling this isn't over someone hold me

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Well if that's the garbage Ari is going to contribute to the game then I'm glad he's lynched regardless of his flip

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Ari if all of your remaining posts are going to find bad reasons to paint me in a negative light then don't bother posting anymore

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So I think implosion is the last scum!

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Also hot take: if this game makes it to LYLO and Cheetory is alive, lynch him

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No I don’t think you’re scum

I don’t really think anyone is scum except for implosion

But on the chance this game makes it to LYLO and you’re still around, you’re probably the only one I expect to be capable of snowing literally everyone

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Ginngie what would your systematic lynch list look like?

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Cheet I’ve never seen you play as scum so I don’t really know how good you are at it

And again I don’t think you’re scum

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Mine would probably be implosion -> Patrick -> Ginngie -> Cheet

But I'm town reading literally everyone but implosion rn

And if the game lasts that long I would probably be one of those lynches instead so

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I think spiff/firebringer has the last scum, with very high probability. I'm going to look in more depth at spiff today.

What's stupid about it?

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Yeah I really think implosion is the final scum

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I'm probably gonna try to justify my town reads to people this game Day

I know I promised to do things last Day and ended up not so I won't PROMISE but I really will try

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Cheet did you ever comment on my KMD town case? If not what do you think?

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I thought you had an issue with KMD because of the things MathDino was saying?

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yay I love when all the hard work is done for me

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Patrick good job reading Chara correctly and not calling them out for lying about the vanilla claim

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They lock the thread after the game is over so they never get to party

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Also if it's Firebringer then I misread him really hard lol awkward

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I did notice that Patrick went from going really hard after me to calling me town but I thought that was just because Mulch flipped scum

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So Una needs to be on Patrick tonight if Firebringer is town

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I actually think strongman is a possibility but still think we win regardless so

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I hope it actually is because I'm leaving the country with no internet access in a week lol

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Also yea you did well Firebringer

Your scum team blew chunks tho

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Yeah fake guilties are bad never do it again

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Bye everyone I had fun being useless after Day 1!