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Post Post #2778 (isolation #200) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:47 am

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Can I get some resolution on whether there's a guilty on Una or not so I can push Cabd until he fullclaims or no?

P-Edit: I'm getting there one sec.
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Post Post #2787 (isolation #201) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:56 am

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VOTE: Cabd
Maybe we can get Cabd to fullclaim before Una gets up again so we can then get him to fullclaim too!
I've got our weekend schedule planned out now look at me go

p-edit: Would clearly be better for Una to claim before Eddie?
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Post Post #2817 (isolation #202) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:14 am

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RECK's CABD CASE

i) Doesn't believe Cabd's "Mulch is town for being an asshole" post.

ii) Early setting up of justification for not giving a shit about the game and continual reinforcement of this throughout the entire game. [Half of his posts include something to this effect]
It's not just the complaining about the game, it's that in conjunction with the lack of constructive input into the game.

iii) Using the set-up of disliking the game to excuse doing scummy things:
Cabd wrote:Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.

This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.
iv) Reads Cabd's engage with me as buddying.

v) The comparison on Mulch's towngame vs here doesn't contain any examples within the game he linked.

vi) Scum find it a lot easier to drop townreads than scumreads and Cabd hasn't dropped any scumreads.

vii) There isn't very much sorting of Kagami being done given how much he's indicated he wanted to do so.

viii) Cabd talks about how he normally forms townblocks when he's town but he hasn't really tried all that hard to make a townblock beyond the post calling Spiff/Ginngie town.

ix) Doesn't believe Cabd's obvious softclaim of the role because town doesn't wait until they're under pressure to breadcrumb a role.
Thinks he would just say "fuck off I can confirm myself get off of me".

x) He only engages with the same 2-3 players the entire game and mostly only engages on the Mulch townread.

Things I would personally add:

He had no reaction to the Assemble wagon which was kind of weird given that he cares so much about townblocking and a townread that he spent all game defending was getting wagoned. Also no reaction from him about being wrong about Mulch today. It honestly reads dissonant that he's being cheeky/coy when he spent all of day one being 100% wrong about a read.

Something I want to look into is Mulch's engagement with Cabd, because scumMulch would 100% HATE rolling scum with Cabd.
I think some level of "I want to win" vs "I do not like this person" would be pulling at the way Mulch was pushing Cabd. Probably don't have time to do that until tomorrow though.

A lot of this might be moot if Cabd is somehow actually conftown.
So, consider me really annoyed if RECK and I put all of this effort into trying to figure him out if there was literally no reason to.
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #203) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:33 am

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In post 2821, Kagami wrote:Pretty sure a lot of effort is wasted there anyway, cheet. It's not like cabd lives if he isn't confirmed.

And una full claims.
I'm bored/I'd rather the conversation be directed moreso onto Cabd until we get clarity on his claim.
Most of the work was with transcribing Reck's thoughts anyways.

p-edit: Are you at all scared that Transcend and RC both have thought/think that Una is town?
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #204) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:33 am

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@Eddie for the p-edit:
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Post Post #2853 (isolation #205) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:16 am

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In post 2843, Cabd wrote:Ya'll are prolly gonna mislynch me for my gambit working, whatever.
You really think you were the nightkill?

P-Edit: You pick a rolePM, not a team composition.
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #206) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:20 am

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Is it actually Ari/Cabd/Mulch?
Is it actually that easy?
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Post Post #2862 (isolation #207) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:21 am

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Who is scum?
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Post Post #2868 (isolation #208) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:27 am

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I more mean from here, is it actually that easy?
:/

p-edit: drive save you fucker
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Post Post #2869 (isolation #209) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:27 am

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safe*
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Post Post #2872 (isolation #210) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:32 am

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UNVOTE:
Every post from Cabd from here on out that isn't him explaining some kind of scumread is a scumclaim IMO.
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Post Post #2874 (isolation #211) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:34 am

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Shhhhh
he doesn't have to know that even though he probably knows it.
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Post Post #2879 (isolation #212) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:02 am

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Post Post #2904 (isolation #213) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:49 am

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if ur so good at town why haven't you got all the scum yet
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Post Post #2913 (isolation #214) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:58 am

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In post 2906, Kmd4390 wrote:Mathdino says cabd is town because he believes the claim but he understands the need to Lynch him. I'm less sure of the claim myself mostly because I'm not sure scum would shoot him but Mathdino says it makes sense to shoot someone who is about to be confirmed and who they can't block and I can't say I fully disagree with that. I think I'm leaning town pending scum's kill being stopped some other way.
Is Mathdino scum?
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Post Post #2917 (isolation #215) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 2914, Firebringer wrote:Cheetory has hiplop been following game at all?
Vaguely.
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #216) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:10 pm

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Why is anyone even remotely entertaining the possibility of Cabd being the nightkill?
If you think "oh maybe Cabd wasn't shot but he's town" then like okay, sure, but this absurd notion that the guy who hard defended scum, made a clearly fake claim, that everyone was scumreading and who was barely invested in the game at all was the scum's kill of choice after losing scum on D1?
It's literally baffling to me that Mathdino is entertaining that thought, let alone actually being confident about it.
Spiff wrote:Cheetory if it's not as easy as Aristophanes being the last scum who do you think it is?
Idk. Implosion?
Firebringer wrote:Does he have thoughts
He's been telling me Spiff is scum basically all game.
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Post Post #2923 (isolation #217) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:22 pm

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KMD can you link me your best scumgame?
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Post Post #2926 (isolation #218) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:30 pm

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So Mathdino thinks that scum are more afraid of confirmed town Cabd than they are of anyone else in the game right now?
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Post Post #2927 (isolation #219) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:32 pm

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And he also thinks that scum believes his claim?
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Post Post #2935 (isolation #220) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:00 pm

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I think scumCabd has no good options here with the roleblocker flip.
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Post Post #2936 (isolation #221) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:05 pm

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Also feel like I'm going to emotionally exhaust myself getting frustrated trying to explain how wrong I feel that assessment is.
Especially when you're asking me for reasoning why I think Cabd isn't the nightkill when I gave like five reasons a page ago
-.-

I will say that I immediately knew the FN claim itself was fake because townCabd never outright claims friendly neighbor, and would probably do something like d2 innocent townie, given that it paints any potential roleblock on himself immediately.
Pretty sure 15 heads working together figure that out too.
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #222) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:17 pm

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In post 2939, Kmd4390 wrote:-Almost50, RC, Eddie, and Bins should be able to back him up on Cabd being town by team composition even though his play is scummy. Tora, Firebringer, and Implosion should ask them. He's surprised Cheet doesn't see it.
This isn't good reasoning to townread someone.
We don't know how many scum are on their team and it's gambler's fallacy to play that game.
If this was the reason for the townread you should have said so in the first place because dancing around it made what you were saying sound not real.
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Post Post #2941 (isolation #223) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:18 pm

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In post 2939, Kmd4390 wrote:-when he's scum, confirmed townies are his priority NKs.
Sorry that he's bad at scum? Lol.
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Post Post #2972 (isolation #224) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:48 am

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In post 2965, Eddie Cane wrote:someone talk to me
Gameplan:

i) Murder Cabd tonight [RECK cries a single solitary tear of joy].
ii) Murderkill Ari D3.
iii) Be called cool for sweeping.
iv) eddie cane

Sound good?
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Post Post #2978 (isolation #225) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:33 am

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In post 2973, Aristophanes wrote:Something about having a nasty ass for criticizing my team instead of myself in this game for one.
For two, telling you that I would never be assigned a Scum PM here considering my meta and team makeup.
I'm upset at your team for giving you a scum rolePM not for not playing the game.
Why is Gamma following along closely enough to comment on something like that but to not be giving reads?
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Post Post #2980 (isolation #226) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:37 am

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Ari please tell nasty ass Gamma to give detailed reads on the entire playerlist.
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Post Post #2984 (isolation #227) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 am

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In post 2981, Aristophanes wrote:And Cheet, there is literally no chance I get a scum PM here. It's a stupid argument, I know, but seriously!
Consider me kind of unconvinced by play so far.

But I'm a reasonable man:
In post 2817, Cheetory6 wrote:
RECK's CABD CASE

i) Doesn't believe Cabd's "Mulch is town for being an asshole" post.

ii) Early setting up of justification for not giving a shit about the game and continual reinforcement of this throughout the entire game. [Half of his posts include something to this effect]
It's not just the complaining about the game, it's that in conjunction with the lack of constructive input into the game.

iii) Using the set-up of disliking the game to excuse doing scummy things:
Cabd wrote:Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.

This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.
iv) Reads Cabd's engage with me as buddying.

v) The comparison on Mulch's towngame vs here doesn't contain any examples within the game he linked.

vi) Scum find it a lot easier to drop townreads than scumreads and Cabd hasn't dropped any scumreads.

vii) There isn't very much sorting of Kagami being done given how much he's indicated he wanted to do so.

viii) Cabd talks about how he normally forms townblocks when he's town but he hasn't really tried all that hard to make a townblock beyond the post calling Spiff/Ginngie town.

ix) Doesn't believe Cabd's obvious softclaim of the role because town doesn't wait until they're under pressure to breadcrumb a role.
Thinks he would just say "fuck off I can confirm myself get off of me".

x) He only engages with the same 2-3 players the entire game and mostly only engages on the Mulch townread.

Things I would personally add:

He had no reaction to the Assemble wagon which was kind of weird given that he cares so much about townblocking and a townread that he spent all game defending was getting wagoned. Also no reaction from him about being wrong about Mulch today. It honestly reads dissonant that he's being cheeky/coy when he spent all of day one being 100% wrong about a read.

Something I want to look into is Mulch's engagement with Cabd, because scumMulch would 100% HATE rolling scum with Cabd.
I think some level of "I want to win" vs "I do not like this person" would be pulling at the way Mulch was pushing Cabd. Probably don't have time to do that until tomorrow though.
Reck's been telling me to put you back in the null pile.
Will consider doing so if you talk at me about the following:
i) why were you townreading Mulch? Give me some context for the post you made where you did.
ii) do you have no experience with scum Mulch and what the reputation of his scumgame is?
iii) some kind of a guess for who you think is most likely scum beyond Cabd, even if it isn't educated at this point.
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #228) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 am

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And Cabd's claim is hot garbage fire.
Which I think is the main reason he's getting wagoned atm.
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Post Post #2987 (isolation #229) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:06 am

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I'm feeling like implosion might make sense as a third tbh.
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Post Post #2990 (isolation #230) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 2988, Aristophanes wrote:Now for the Cabd Case:
That's actually a decently strong case and one I would consider joining! What did he claim?
He softed friendly neighbor in a really obvious way on D1 and is now claiming that he's bulletproof and that scum tried to kill him.
The gambit is kind of unbelievable in its simplicity (in that I think townCabd is better at gambitting than that), but the kicker is the insinuation that he was the nightkill. There's no way that Cabd comes into today thinking he was shot after his performance D1, even with a soft like that.

Also jeeze, way to dismantle my scumread on you with like three posts :P
Jerk.
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Post Post #2992 (isolation #231) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:17 am

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The friendly neighbor part was fake.
He's claiming just bulletproof now, saying that he was trying to lure the nightkill with it.
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Post Post #2995 (isolation #232) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:20 am

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In post 2993, Aristophanes wrote:Gamma doesn't have reads really
What a nasty ass.
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Post Post #2998 (isolation #233) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:30 am

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In post 2996, Aristophanes wrote:Also Aero says you're being dumb
Aeronerd doesn't know a thing about intellect.

Eddie I thought you were townleaning Una as of your last dive of him?
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Post Post #3002 (isolation #234) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:35 am

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In post 2999, Eddie Cane wrote:I am?
Oh I just don't understand the quote wall's purpose then.

If you have a sec can you give implosion's ISO a glance and tell me what you think of his trajectory on Mulch/Cabd?
In particular, if you think the way he developed on Mulch/Kagami seems real to you.

p-edit: I understand ego is a thing.
I don't think ego erases people's ability to properly process information, especially when they're generally mechanically oriented.
I think Cabd is pretty capable of processing that something else probably stopped a kill for N1, the insistence as to otherwise looks way more like fishing, rather than overconfidence.
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Post Post #3004 (isolation #235) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 3002, Cheetory6 wrote:If you have a sec can you give implosion's ISO a glance and tell me what you think of his trajectory on Mulch/Cabd?
In particular, if you think the way he developed on Mulch/Kagami seems real to you.
I'm worried that implosion is getting written off based on how reasonable his opinions are, rather than how town they are.
With Mulch's flip in hand, the weirdness of his forceful Kagami push could have some underlying meaning if he's scum.
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Post Post #3032 (isolation #236) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:31 am

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I'll try to take some time to look at KMD's ISO.
I will say that I feel like scumKMD spends less time trying to convince people that they're underestimating his scumplay in general when they say they're townleaning him and the Cabd defense is really just.. blatant and unorthodox in a way that's mostly ineffective and just draws attention to himself, so if Cabd flips scum [which I think is honestly pretty much a certainty at this point] then I think KMD doesn't really fit for a partner?

Have you played with scumAristophanes before Eddie?
He's notoriously not that great at scum.
I doubt he could have put together compelling answers/reasoning for things he'd done in that short of a time in that responsive/real time of a way as scum.
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #237) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:36 am

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Reck pointed out to me that it seems pretty plausible that Ari had a slow start this game because of RL stuff and a generally fast pace to the game.
He said he couldn't play in my latest paint mafia because he actively wanted to avoid large themes/that he didn't think he could keep up and this game's moved more or less at that pace.
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #238) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:22 pm

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Do you expect townAri to commit to solving the game?

He's more or less committing to engaging with the current gamestate instead of trying to catch up and has started giving opinions on things as they're happening.

Also can believe the Mulch townlean with the added context of his explanation and it didn't seem like something he'd been working on for a long time and was just something he threw together (which I don't think he could do as scum here). I'm kind of struggling to understand how you're feeling strongly about him having not caught up completely during the night and if you like his latest analysis post I'm not sure why you care so much as to what my current read on him is?

I could be wrong and I'm not like saying he's townbinned, but I definitely feel like there are people I'm more interested in going into D3.
Do you see something that links him strongly to Cabd and do you think his explanation for the Mulch townread makes sense?
Because if you don't have direct concerns with regard to either angle, then this poke on me feels really strange.
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #239) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:05 pm

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:V
VOTE: cabd
I am not generous
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #240) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:08 pm

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what are we waiting for
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Post Post #3053 (isolation #241) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:08 pm

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I want to meme and post vote cabd

Code: Select all

 please explain why I don't get to meme
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Post Post #3057 (isolation #242) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:14 pm

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mfw I want to just play mafia and lynch scum
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #243) » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:15 pm

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1. when do i get to lynch the scums
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Post Post #3080 (isolation #244) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:02 pm

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hey spiff sorry about assemble/cabd.
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Post Post #3086 (isolation #245) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:05 pm

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Lollllllllllllllllllll
VOTE: Tor
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Post Post #3095 (isolation #246) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:09 pm

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haha you don't get to be on the scumlynch
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Post Post #3098 (isolation #247) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:10 pm

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In post 3096, Ginngie wrote:ya'll are nerds

and spiff I dont want your vote
who do you think is scum so far based on your reaction test
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Post Post #3103 (isolation #248) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:11 pm

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I know.
I'm being dumb/sad because I actually still kind of wanted to play this game.
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Post Post #3105 (isolation #249) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:12 pm

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wait omg what if tor is an unclaimed miller
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Post Post #3107 (isolation #250) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:12 pm

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what if there's a framer
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #251) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:15 pm

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Spiffeh wrote:Cheet did you actually think I was scum?
I was probably gonna poke you today.
I also never got around to ISOdiving Tor.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eddie Cane wrote:if this is a fake guilty I still want to lynch tor here lmao look at his iso it's trash seeing the flips

and cheet

our 2 towngames were basically perfect

thoughts :p
It's fun getting carried by people/circumstance! :D
Ginngie wrote:we could pretend there is a fourth scum lmao
Okay let's start looking for fourth scum.
NO LYNCHING UNTIL WE GET SOME OTHER FLIPS IN THE OTHER GAMES OK?
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Post Post #3123 (isolation #252) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:17 pm

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wtf
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Post Post #3129 (isolation #253) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:19 pm

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ginngie wrote:how does it feel that I'm more town than you

and you tried so hard
VOTE: ginn

ginngie is scum faking a guilty on Tor anyway just to ruin the perfect streak
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #254) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:21 pm

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Was everyone also a neapolitan btw?
I'm assuming that's what the setup was
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #255) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:23 pm

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man what a dumb way to open the game as scum
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #256) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:26 pm

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can you ask RC who the fourth scum is?
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Post Post #3147 (isolation #257) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:28 pm

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In post 2877, Toranaga wrote:so how about that friendly neighbour claim

someone needs to have a green check on you or you die this gameday
Lol.
Oh hindsight.
Chara wrote:we already lost the perfect streak when Kagami died. the fully-red first post was so beautiful.
I know ):
I was thinking about this earlier.
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Post Post #3148 (isolation #258) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:29 pm

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In post 3145, Firebringer wrote:“Cheetory is the super secret scum MVP. Please lynch” -anniebell
Annie is a boring champion.
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Post Post #3154 (isolation #259) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:32 pm

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maybe you'll get carried to a best town banner again?
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #260) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:32 pm

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oh wait the scummies were ruined nvm.
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Post Post #3189 (isolation #261) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:49 pm

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In post 3181, Chara wrote:implying Ether is ever not lying in wait with a votecount.
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Post Post #3197 (isolation #262) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:09 pm

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Ohhh tor really was a mason after all
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Post Post #3201 (isolation #263) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:11 pm

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God even when mulch is scum he has such killer instincts
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Post Post #3204 (isolation #264) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:12 pm

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It explicitly says ice cream
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Post Post #3210 (isolation #265) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:14 pm

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I trust ice cream..
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #266) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:15 pm

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Can you vote this scumfuck who just shaded ice cream?
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Post Post #3221 (isolation #267) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:18 pm

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In post 3213, Ginngie wrote:Ice cream is a name

Unless it explicitly says you’re confirmed town
I know technically you should keep ice cream in the shade but that is not what is fucking happening here.

Pedit I voted ginngie before you you fucking second rate scumhunter
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Post Post #3231 (isolation #268) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:24 pm

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^ there's a partner
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Post Post #3244 (isolation #269) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:30 pm

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Ice cream isn't grey you dummy.
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Post Post #3256 (isolation #270) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 pm

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In post 3249, Spiffeh wrote:Guys I'm afraid people will think Eddie Cane is being serious and actually lynch Ginngie so we should stop
Shut the fuck up this is performance art in the making you god damn Disney rodent
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Post Post #3378 (isolation #271) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:14 am

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In post 3329, Ginngie wrote:MY TEAM
In post 3330, Ginngie wrote:DOESN'T KNOW
In post 3331, Ginngie wrote:WHY HE'S NOT SCUM
In post 3332, Ginngie wrote:SO THERES THAT
Can you deliver a message to your team for me?

Spoiler: Special Delivery don't open if you're not ginngie
Please quit playing mafia for fucking ever.
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Post Post #3379 (isolation #272) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:16 am

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In post 3338, Ginngie wrote:Like question tho

I've mainly been lazy regarding the Patrick slot

One thing is that like, he makes a lot of words

and I don't truly read them.

So idunno if someone has

but if they have and town read Patrick

could you like say why

Also KMD is another focus point my team wants to look into
I don't really expect why you expect anyone to take your play seriously from here if you are town.
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Post Post #3380 (isolation #273) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:17 am

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In post 3354, Ginngie wrote:but if we could move on from the past
Hahahahahahaha
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #274) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:17 am

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In post 3358, Ginngie wrote:implosion fuck off
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Post Post #3382 (isolation #275) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:28 am

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Ftr I would lean town on Ginngie atm,
but I would 100% be willing to lynch them today.
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Post Post #3383 (isolation #276) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:46 am

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In post 3316, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 3310, Ginngie wrote:Ari can hammer
<3

VOTE: Toranaga

You are amazing Ginngie!
In post 3319, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 3315, Ginngie wrote:I need this game out of my life so I can focus on my inorganic exam
I did this for you =D
If Ari is scum this was lowkey cold as fuck.
So, that seems kind of unlikely.
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Post Post #3384 (isolation #277) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 am

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In post 3369, Chara wrote:to be clear, my point with the last post is that isn't a scumpost.
I don't really agree?
Like, scumImplo is going to come into today probably actually a little pissed at how bad that was, even if it benefited him.
In Civ Mafia, town did shitty things that I benefited from, but I still felt some degree of annoyance as to how badly they were playing.
If I'm scum here, you can bet your ass I'm going to use how I'm actually feeling about the gamestate to benefit me through my play and I'm guessing implosion probably does the same here?

I might just be behind the curve on townImplo and need to put the work in, but he was probably my best bet going into D3 so I'll probably start with efforting there when I have time and don't feel like killing myself while looking at this game.

Chara, Spiff and Ari read town off reactions to guilty.
Patrick is still probably town.
Kind of trust RC/Transcend's read on Una/Una's play seems more weird than scummy to me [plus Spiff gets to be wrong about everything if he's town so that's a plus].

Still kind of think KMD/Firebringer are town? But I can work on quantifying that in next day or so.
Uh.
Ginngie's probably a must-lynch in the next 2-3 days just in case this was all a fucking terrible scumMastina ploy to get to endgame off of pity.

That's where I'm at atm.
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Post Post #3389 (isolation #278) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:13 am

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I think it's possible Ginngie is scum and between mastina/Ginngie they thought "oh if we do this maybe people will put us in the townbin and then we can coast on the pity people have for our slot" out of desperation with back to back scumlynches on D1 and D2. I don't really think it's the most likely possibility, but I want Ginngie lynched on principle before endgame.
Spiffeh wrote:Faking a guilty
on town
makes you a bad mafia player
still true tbh.
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Post Post #3393 (isolation #279) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:18 am

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@Ari/Spiff

Who do you think is scum right now?
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Post Post #3397 (isolation #280) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:21 am

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Yeah how about instead of being melodramatic you just don't do that, the rest of us play the game, try to figure out who scum is and you get to hope we find them before D6 when the gambit starts to feel less town on reflection.
Spiff wrote:How do you feel about a mass claim?
Might be a good idea at this point. We have three nights of unblocked full PR action spread. I can't imagine that doesn't net us at least a few innos if not a guilty.
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Post Post #3399 (isolation #281) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:22 am

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In post 3398, Ginngie wrote:I’m not gonna be shit on for the rest of the game if the end result is useless
too bad so sad, must suck when you feel like your agency has been taken away from you
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Post Post #3405 (isolation #282) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:26 am

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Lol. I don't get why you think you get to ruin the game after you already ruined the game. If you really don't want to deal with the consequences for your dumb as fuck play then replace out.
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Post Post #3408 (isolation #283) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:33 am

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In post 3406, Ginngie wrote:There isn’t a point of replacing out?

Like I’ve already said it my team that came to the conclusion that he was scum and gave the Okay to fake a guilty
If what you're going to do is spam self votes then the point of you replacing out is for you to stop doing that.

I don't really get why your team giving you the go-ahead to make a terrible play excuses the ramifications of that terrible play.

This game was on lock and while it still probably is, you severely hurt our chances because apparently your team's read on Tor trumped literally any other player's thoughts on the game.

I'm giving you and your team credit by giving credence to the idea that it was a scum gambit.
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Post Post #3439 (isolation #284) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:19 am

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In post 3336, Ginngie wrote:and then because Toranaga was scum, we were able to figure out that Cabd was scum.
Want a breakdown of this.
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Post Post #3441 (isolation #285) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:32 am

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At what point did you decide that Tor/Cabd were scum together.
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Post Post #3443 (isolation #286) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:36 am

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In post 2831, Ginngie wrote:I'm actually willing to vote either slot

Also Bulba says to lynch Cabd with fire and fucking flames

Consider me wanting to hammer the fuck out of Cabd
Oh that's awkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

VOTE: Ginngie
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Post Post #3445 (isolation #287) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:38 am

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In post 2896, Ginngie wrote:
In post 2888, UnaBombaH wrote:I'll make the claimage-post when I wake up then.
A good fakeclaim takes a long time to make
"hey guys it's me I think cabd/tor are confscum but right as we're lynching cabd I'm still shading una hahahah"
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Post Post #3446 (isolation #288) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:38 am

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Why would you be willing to wagon Ari if you think Cabd is confscum from your POV?
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Post Post #3454 (isolation #289) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:06 am

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In post 3373, implosion wrote:I don't think anything he's done is outside his scum range, which is fairly wide afaik.
Can you reference what you're basing this on? Also whenabouts were you planning on casing him in terms of a timeline?
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Post Post #3457 (isolation #290) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:25 am

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?
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Post Post #3459 (isolation #291) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:35 am

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In post 1959, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1950, Kagami wrote:Keep in mind, Fire didnt take the PM for this game initially.

What makes him town by play?
I actually wanted this PM initially and me and RC had a fight over it and I just resigned to Beeboy’s game which I told everyone was last game I wanted to play because it was beeboy as mod
Are you allowed to talk more about this now?
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Post Post #3463 (isolation #292) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:43 am

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I mean, it would help me figure out the game more if you could talk about it now if you're allowed to.
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Post Post #3472 (isolation #293) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:58 am

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Ginngie what's the most dramatic scumgame you've ever had.
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Post Post #3485 (isolation #294) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:21 am

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Surprised Mathdino doesn't have an opinion on the matter.
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Post Post #3487 (isolation #295) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:34 am

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In post 3486, Kmd4390 wrote:Said power roles should check in { Chara, spiff,
cheet
, implosion, myself, Ginngie}
Lol.
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Post Post #3489 (isolation #296) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:45 am

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In post 3384, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 3369, Chara wrote:to be clear, my point with the last post is that isn't a scumpost.
I don't really agree?
Like, scumImplo is going to come into today probably actually a little pissed at how bad that was, even if it benefited him.
In Civ Mafia, town did shitty things that I benefited from, but I still felt some degree of annoyance as to how badly they were playing.
If I'm scum here, you can bet your ass I'm going to use how I'm actually feeling about the gamestate to benefit me through my play and I'm guessing implosion probably does the same here?

I might just be behind the curve on townImplo and need to put the work in, but he was probably my best bet going into D3 so I'll probably start with efforting there when I have time and don't feel like killing myself while looking at this game.

Chara, Spiff and Ari read town off reactions to guilty.
Patrick is still probably town.
Kind of trust RC/Transcend's read on Una/Una's play seems more weird than scummy to me [plus Spiff gets to be wrong about everything if he's town so that's a plus].

Still kind of think KMD/Firebringer are town? But I can work on quantifying that in next day or so.
Uh.
Ginngie's probably a must-lynch in the next 2-3 days just in case this was all a fucking terrible scumMastina ploy to get to endgame off of pity.

That's where I'm at atm.
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Post Post #3491 (isolation #297) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:16 am

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He's saying that a PR should investigate me and thought Cabd was town.
Lol.

Gotta listen to this guy.

For Chara, I think there's been a huge consistency to their play that especially stands out in isolation from how low-impact they might seem in the context of a game with a ton of loud voices in it.
I can believe that Elli told Chara to focus on a single player and that they tried to take that approach this game/the push there reminded me of its push on Aeronaut in Pokemon Sapphire.
Might be worth looking back into their stance on Mulch/Assemble later on during D1.
The diplomatic/peacemaking stuff from today is also stuff I've seen from townChara.

Overall I'm not going to just drop a read because mathdino tells me to, especially when he's been assbackwards about everything so far this game.
Tell him to actually drop some reasoning or I really don't care what he has to say.
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Post Post #3492 (isolation #298) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:17 am

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And for Chara's reaction specifically yesterday, I feel like being around and posting during that period would be hard for scum and I think Chara might be more likely to coast it out?
I would probably have coasted it out as scum.
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Post Post #3493 (isolation #299) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 am

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Also don't really understand what changed between here and here:
KMD wrote:He does but he was wrong on cabd...
KMD wrote:If you don't have a scum read, I'll probably just listen to Mathdino and he wants to Lynch Chara
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Post Post #3494 (isolation #300) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:20 am

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Also why are you trying to sheep me while also pushing me getting investigated??????
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Post Post #3497 (isolation #301) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:32 am

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I'd love for Math to expand on his reasoning for why I'm #3 on his list.
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Post Post #3498 (isolation #302) » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 3496, Kmd4390 wrote:But Mathdino wants to point out that Chara DID have incentive to quickly check Tora as scum because one of our questions to Tora had been Almost50s take on Chara's play.
Literally nobody doubted the guilty yesterday.
This is a garbage reason to scumread Chara.
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Post Post #3574 (isolation #303) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:12 pm

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I'm here but I left my butt outside.
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #304) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:00 pm

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In post 3529, Aristophanes wrote:Let me show you I am town so I can stop making this dumb argument, ya?
How long are you expecting it's going to take you to do this?
In post 3523, Firebringer wrote:Ari feels like scum. Like it feels like ari told his teammates “to I can’t do scum it makes me apatheticL” and everyone told him to have fun with it and just literally post whatever came to mind and people will read him Town because it’s him. It’s like his thoughts don’t seem townie. And his argument for him being Town is he wouldn’t pick it? So? That’s your only reason when you might not have even picked your role? (I didn’t pick beeboy) I think ari lynch wins the game.
What's your experience with Aristophanes in general? Do you feel like he's someone that you've correctly read in the past?
Biggest hesitation on your reasoning is on the bolded. Ari's frequently mislynched because of having awkward tone.
If he is scum here, he's putting in a much stronger game than he usually does as scum, and I totally get that this is Team Mafia, but I'm probably not going to be 100% comfortable lynching him just because he feels weird because that's kind of generally a trap wrt him?
Kind of surprised that Ginngie hasn't voiced this concern given his opinion on Ari's scumgame.

I want to see more from him because I definitely feel that paranoia and there's a lot of slots that are townier than him, but I want more than just "we feel like this might be who scum is" because we can probably do better than that with nine collective townslots if he is scum.
I think we kind of need to in general all dig into this game and give it some love/attention because winning it because "lolAri might be scum" would feel disappointing (at least to me) anyways.

Starting with implosion ISOdive and then I might get to ariMetaDive sometime this weekend if I don't feel like a lazy piece of shit.
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Post Post #3578 (isolation #305) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:01 pm

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Firebringer wrote:Ari feels like scum. Like it feels like ari told his teammates “to I can’t do scum it makes me apatheticL” and everyone told him to have fun with it and just literally post whatever came to mind and people will read him Town because it’s him.
It’s like his thoughts don’t seem townie
. And his argument for him being Town is he wouldn’t pick it? So? That’s your only reason when you might not have even picked your role? (I didn’t pick beeboy) I think ari lynch wins the game.
This is what the quote should have been.
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Post Post #3579 (isolation #306) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

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implosion wrote:cabd's first reads post is as other people have already pointed out really sketchy.
Lack of vote on Cabd bothers me.
If implosion doesn't vote Cabd until there's suspicion on him, then I'm probably going to think he's scum.
implosion wrote:I also would love some justification from anyone who townread Ginngie so far (particularly from cabd).
I feel like townImplosion votes Cabd here.
This feels like extremely plausible partner reach-out to try and give Cabd something to get into the game with/give room to bus if necessary.

Implosion's pick-stances feel like something he could very easily gimmick as scum to fake content.
In post 817, implosion wrote:VOTE: Una
How is this your first vote.
o.o
implo wrote:It's really interesting that Una listed Spiffeh and Chara twice in his early readslist, once in 209 and once in 211. Don't know if it means anything? It's a bit weird in the first place that he interpreted Transcend's request as asking for a full reads list. But meh.
This is so so so so much weaker than both of your leads on Cabd/Mulch.

I feel a little irked that implo drops Mulch from his readlist post
and I also dislike that Cabd is just "there is not enough data".
You've given reasons to scumread Cabd already.
It's really weird that you would stop scumreading him, especially when his posting never really got town.
In post 1031, implosion wrote:I can also see myself hopping on the Kagami wagon in the near future in theory.
How does this reconcile with your scumread on Mulch at the time?
I don't understand why you would vote Mulch when Kagami is the one who your pressure would have been usefully affecting?
In post 1192, implosion wrote:Let's just like.

Disband the two big wagons?

Pls?
Why were you not a fan of the Cabd wagon? You literally said he was a scumlean a few posts earlier and there was nothing to indicate otherwise?
In post 1265, Cabd wrote:I'm too friendly to lynch!
implosion wrote: mean, he is ish? But see softclaim etc which I was avoiding elaborating on but shrug. I was a bit unsure what to think about him since the first time he softclaimed earlier which I'm not sure if people caught but assume most did.
Hey implosion.
Hey.
Hey.
Why were you not down to lynch Cabd BEFORE the softclaim?
Because you're saying you didn't want to lynch him after the softclaim but you said "get off the wagons please?"
BEFORE
the softclaim?
Do explain.
Because.
I want you on the fucking chopping block so hard for this.

Stopping ISOdive here because this last thought is so hard not to share right now lol.
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Post Post #3581 (isolation #307) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm

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I hate that if you're scum, Cabd was probably planning the claim from that first post and you were probably prepared to claim that you spotted the original softclaim.
:/

I'm actually so bummed that it's not a straight up scumslip
q.q


I'll start ISO again with that in mind.
Can you talk at me about why you've been so okay with me pitching you as scum for like the last two days?
Like, it feels like you've just been avoiding dealing with my read on you completely. Is there a reason for that or what?
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Post Post #3584 (isolation #308) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

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In post 3583, Firebringer wrote:Weird question
I have as much experience with him as you
Excluding ur in person mafia with the dude
Give examples? Convince me that you're amazing at reading him given some kind of track record.

I don't really get why you're expecting me to know how many games you've actually played with him offhand?
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Post Post #3591 (isolation #309) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:03 pm

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In post 3586, Firebringer wrote:I have probably played nearly a dozen games with him?
I don’t know I don’t keep count of them

Like how many games have we played together?
Do you know how many games we have played together
Why am I taking your read on Aristophanes seriously if you can't recall your track record of reading him?
Like, actually answer the question for what I'm asking for, rather than assuming I literally just want to know "what is the # of games you have played with him".
I'm trying to understand why I should want to sheep you on scumAristophanes and you're not really doing anything in that regard.

p-edit: okay that's at least a little better.
Have you ever misread him?
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Post Post #3597 (isolation #310) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:08 pm

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In post 3523, Firebringer wrote:there’s nothing in this game not out of my scum range and 90% of my Town games there isn’t really that I wouldn’t do as scum
When was the last scumgame you had that you feel like this game could be comparable to?
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Post Post #3602 (isolation #311) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 3600, implosion wrote:fuck.

can we just massclaim?
I'd rather try to dig into some slots like KMD/Aristophanes a little deeper before going that route.
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Post Post #3605 (isolation #312) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:18 pm

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B-b-but
how can town
think I might be scum?
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Post Post #3608 (isolation #313) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:23 pm

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Haven't found something I want to vote.
Would you like me to make a big show of unvoting them?
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Post Post #3610 (isolation #314) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:25 pm

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Man everyone sure is pushing that right now.
You were also partially townread off of you pushing that guilty, so, yay bad point?
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Post Post #3613 (isolation #315) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:27 pm

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Gj you made me disagree with everyone saying you're town because you're throwing effort at the game by referencing midsummer btw.

p-edit: Yeah me casing implosion a page ago and saying I want to dive KMD/Aristophanes is definitely me trying to get you lynched right now.
Gj reading the game.
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Post Post #3617 (isolation #316) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:29 pm

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Implosion was literally saying he wants to case Firebringer too.
Could you possibly try to be more wrong about things this game?
Seriously, keep making terrible posts.
Will really make me want to keep trying to sort the game instead of reverting back to me wanting to make you feel really fucking dumb for the shitty fakeguilty.
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Post Post #3620 (isolation #317) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:32 pm

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It's good you don't feel bad for the biggest fuck up I've ever seen on this site.
I'm glad that you're growing as a player.

P-Edit: The biggest reason I've been keeping you away from null/lower is that you've been efforting and that seemed out of place with scumgames like Alisae's mishmash/Defcon, but Midsummer is kind of similar to here so you're back in my sort pile?
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Post Post #3621 (isolation #318) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:35 pm

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You keep asking me these questions as if you still think I could potentially be scum here.
And it's really making me skeptical of you.
Lol.
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Post Post #3642 (isolation #319) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:27 am

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In post 3637, Kmd4390 wrote:For what it's worth, Mathdino wanted to town bloc: Me, Firebringer, Aristo, Patrick and maybe: Ginngie, implosion. He was pretty set on that being the most important thing today and thought the game would end with lynches on Chara and Spiff.
Can you ask Mathdino if he's read a single post of mine this game?
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Post Post #3643 (isolation #320) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:34 am

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In post 3639, Kmd4390 wrote:Mathdino said there was plenty from the game
If Mathdino doesn't give me a reason why I'm #3 on his list of people to lynch by end of day today, then I'm going to vote you and push you even though I'm townleaning you.
And tbh I'm probably at a point where I need to start throwing out townleans so that probably works anyways.
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Post Post #3644 (isolation #321) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:41 am

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In post 3394, Spiffeh wrote:I really have to read back on associations with flipped scum I plan to do that at some point today
Is this now a today thing?
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Post Post #3646 (isolation #322) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:48 am

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In post 3645, UnaBombaH wrote:If we go with this townblock and we miss a scum today, you have scum in that block.
???
Why?
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Post Post #3647 (isolation #323) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:49 am

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In post 3430, UnaBombaH wrote:My plan for now is to make a "list of three", people Im willing to lynch in the coming days, and one of them is guaranteed to be Ginngie.
How's this plan going btw?
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Post Post #3653 (isolation #324) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:01 am

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Patrick, Chara
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Kmd, Firebringer
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UnaBombaH, Spiffeh
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Null Line
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Ginngie, implosion
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Aristophanes

People should be dropping their best bet for the three slots they think are most likely to be last scum and WHY.
Give reasoning. If I see one more fucking post saying something along the lines of "OHOHOH TEAM COMP" at this stage in the game, then I'm going to slap the shit out of your slot and try to find excuses to scumread you on principle.

Ari - has been dropping minimal content in favour of fluffy stuff. On reflection I can kind of imagine his teammate's giving him reasoning for the Mulch townlean in advance so it wouldn't be as hard to explain himself when I eventually poked him about it. There just isn't any level of consistent effort from him to try to find scum at any point. His entire play is just completely devoid of it.

Ginngie - I really dislike that she hasn't been challenging anyone on their Patrick townreads in spite of her having come into today with a hankering to lynch him. I disagree that Ginngie was being widely townread before the claim, so I don't really see why there isn't any kind of incentive to, as scum, in a position where no town PRs are dead, do something that gets you a lynch that might otherwise be difficult, something that completely fucks up the entire tone of the game from "fuck you scum you're getting stomped" to "fuck this game" from town's POV and generates a shit-ton of WiFoM as to why scum would do something that stupid. Biggest hesitation is that this is like next level melodrama that I think would be hard for scum to fake, but if Ginngie is still coasting by on this self-pity shit in a day or two then I think it's more likely a scum gambit than not.

implosion - I can believe all of the reasoning that he's put into the thread. I just also think that scumHim is capable of explaining things well.
What bothers me most about his play this game is just that he's been suspicious of both scumslots, but when it came to actually pushing them, he was never on board when there was actual threat of a lynch happening and the Kagami push in particular seems like something that was a little forced/came at a time when Mulch was actually under threat of being lynched.

p-edit: hbd.
Now you answer.
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Post Post #3659 (isolation #325) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:31 am

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Those are two posts that don't have reads in them.
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Post Post #3661 (isolation #326) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:41 am

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In post 3653, Cheetory6 wrote:People should be dropping their best bet for the three slots they think are most likely to be last scum and WHY.
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Post Post #3664 (isolation #327) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:58 am

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And the reasoning for them being scum is just stuff you can't talk about?
He promised in-game reasons, when are we getting those?
And if he's not delivering on them, should you not be developing your own opinion on the gamestate/those players?
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Post Post #3672 (isolation #328) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:58 am

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In post 3671, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't like the waffly town read followed by
the hard scum read that apparently we all should have been able to see even though Chara had Cabd as town for most of Day 1.
Link where Chara said this?
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Post Post #3682 (isolation #329) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:30 am

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In post 3676, Kmd4390 wrote:seemed to imply cabd was always obvscum when his read flipped.
Pretty sure this is referring to the general feel of the room wrt Cabd's claim rather than its own opinion on Cabd's claim on D1.
Chara voted and pushed for Cabd the moment he started pushing himself as being the obvious nightkill, which was frankly pretty obviously bullshit. I know you and Math thought it wasn't, but like five people voted Cabd immediately after he said that.
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Post Post #3709 (isolation #330) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:17 pm

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Vote me.
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Post Post #3710 (isolation #331) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:22 pm

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In post 3707, Ginngie wrote:Cheet should know why i don’t do this as town
Also gg.
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Post Post #3721 (isolation #332) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:46 pm

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I mean, I more or less think everything you just posted is wrong, in particular this idea that anyone is calling you dumb if you're scum, because nobody is saying that.
It's just if you're town, then you pulled the dumbest thing I've ever seen in the most inappropriate setting possible. There is no "Ginngie and mastina are both dumb and smart", there's "townGinngie and their team are fucking garbage at mafia" and "scumGinngie and their team are pulling a gambit that would have been driven mainly by desperation". Kind of baffling that you can't grasp this.

Plus this idea that because in one game, which was an melodramatic slog in which you didn't have four other people you could rely on/talk to/motivate you, where you lurked it out as scum, that means you HAVE to be town here because there's no way that you could be trying harder here because hey what's the point of context right? I really don't see why there's any reason to exclude you from being scum because of a weak sampling of meta.
This is the game to tryhard as scum.
Your teammates are the teammates who are going to push for tryharding as scum.

A lot of this is moot because I don't really want to lynch you.
But it is really funny that you're trying to shade me right now.
If you really are scum, I recommend trying to pitch me as scum. It makes it a lot easier for me to not care about parsing someone when they push obviously townMe as scum.
(:

I'm also not unvoting you.

Reck wants a massclaim because we can lose info with the nightkill and the slots that are more likely to be lynched are more likely to get sorted via nightkill/can be properly targeted by PRs.
Kind of leaning that way atm too because the only lynch I can really imagine getting behind right now is Aristophanes and that's partially because it seems like he's started intentionally lurking this game out.
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Post Post #3722 (isolation #333) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:48 pm

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And maybe massclaim will make figuring out who to lynch easier via gameplanning things?
I feel like the biggest threat to the PR squad was the roleblock and now that it's gone and there's only one scum left we can probably figure out a gamewinning strategy with a massclaim.
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Post Post #3726 (isolation #334) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:52 pm

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You just want to procrastinate on things.
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Post Post #3734 (isolation #335) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:14 pm

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You keep saying "Really?" in a way that makes it really unclear as to what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say scumGinngie would be stupid for faking a guilty at that stage, then I disagree super hard with you?
If Ginngie is scum they had no good moves to make.
Really isn't dumb to fake a guilty and try to play it off as scum given how fucked they would be.
Is clearly much worse for Ginngie to do it as town.
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Post Post #3736 (isolation #336) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:23 pm

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Frankly, if you weren't still indignant I would probably be approaching this a lot less miserably.
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Post Post #3741 (isolation #337) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:52 pm

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Could just do a massclaim?
I mostly just feel miserable/disappointed atm so I don't really think I have it in me to get into a real fight atm anyways.
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Post Post #3742 (isolation #338) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:53 pm

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Pretty sure with massclaim we get those 6 slots that you wanted for your townblock.
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Post Post #3744 (isolation #339) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:55 pm

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Una should go after Ari.
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Post Post #3746 (isolation #340) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:06 pm

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I could lay out why I disagree but I don't really think it matters.
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Post Post #3748 (isolation #341) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:11 pm

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In post 3747, Chara wrote:we don't lose info from the nightkill
If a PR dies yes?
Given one scumslot left I would be shocked if we're not losing an inno if scum shoots correctly tonight.
We probably have a protective PR.
We probably get two innos from a claim and coordinated night actions.
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Post Post #3749 (isolation #342) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:13 pm

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There's also potential waste if two slots target the same player.
We can coordinate stuff, especially with a dead scum roleblocker that was probably put in to punish massclaim.
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Post Post #3756 (isolation #343) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm

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Scum has had two PRs.
This is a game balanced by someone from the NRG.
You have no idea how Ether balances if you think town has nothing power-wise given that.
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Post Post #3758 (isolation #344) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:22 pm

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I really think you're wrong but we can probably just do this and win anyways:
VOTE: Aristophanes
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Post Post #3760 (isolation #345) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:23 pm

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Here's my Aristophanes case:

Mathdino is convinced he's town for no reason.
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Post Post #3763 (isolation #346) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:24 pm

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I was writing a post conceding and then you conceded first.
Fuck you for making me look bad.

P-Edit: Okay also because Firebringer said so.
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Post Post #3766 (isolation #347) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:26 pm

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Chara wrote:this is the first time i've gotten one over on someone by giving up first.
You're such a petty person for doing this.
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Post Post #3770 (isolation #348) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:30 pm

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Chara wrote:damn it, those brackets are messed up. you know what i meant.
Giving up just to one-up me.
It's honestly pretty disgusting that you would do something like that.

Main thing with Ari is that he's definitely 100% avoiding this game atm.
[
Other than the real main thing of Mathdino being wrong about everything
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Time for wagoning! Lets go!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Post Post #3780 (isolation #349) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:44 pm

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In post 3721, Cheetory6 wrote:A lot of this is moot because I don't really want to lynch you.
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Post Post #3789 (isolation #350) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:32 am

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Nvm I guess we're still massclaiming because Chara isn't the only person who can make me feel guilty. Aristophanes and then Una.
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Post Post #3791 (isolation #351) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:00 am

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Yeah I know. I'm just being melodramatic.

Reck is telling me that it would be stupid to not follow through on the massclaim when someone's already started it.
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Post Post #3794 (isolation #352) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:06 am

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Okay I guess we can give you some extra time to think of a fakeclaim.
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Post Post #3804 (isolation #353) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:55 am

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Can you really say you've tried to push anyone as scum this game?
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Post Post #3809 (isolation #354) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:47 am

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Chara do you have any other games from recently where you were this apprehensive about massclaim things?
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Post Post #3816 (isolation #355) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:42 am

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In post 3813, Chara wrote:i ended up looking anyway.
in Beneath the Mask, it was Elli who told us to massclaim. as he is Ellibereth, i went along with it entirely. also, the game was so complicated it was basically necessary with what roles were already out.
i did say this in post if it matters.
Is it that you think you won't want to play the game anymore once we get into massclaimage or is it that you genuinely feel like we're about to throw the game by doing a massclaim?
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Post Post #3820 (isolation #356) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:52 am

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I mean, I'm personally not married to the idea of massclaim at this point. Reck might burn a hole in the back of my head if I let it go now, but I think we can probably win with a massclaim tomorrow even if we don't today.

Can be diplomatic and say Wednesday is the deadline for people to decide whether they have concerns with a potential massclaim before we actually decide to go through with it?
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Post Post #3830 (isolation #357) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:19 am

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I kind of feel like Spiff would hate winning here as scum with how he's performed. Like, he felt annoyed when everyone called his performance in biochem a lurkerscum win. I suspect he'd be kind of embarrassed by winning Team Mafia by underplaying this hard?
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Post Post #3831 (isolation #358) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:21 am

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Also, I'm still feeling like waiting until Wednesday to do anymore claimstuff is probably a good call just so everyone can check in and voice opinion on massclaim just in case they feel like there's some kind of strong reason we shouldn't be doing it here.
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Post Post #3838 (isolation #359) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 3835, implosion wrote:Do you think that annoyance would be sufficient motivation for him to be more active in this game? I feel like efforting as scum isn't as simple as not wanting to have a win be called a lurker win.
I feel like it'd be a factor. Probably not enough to write him off as town.
His reactions to Ginngie/Eddie on D3 also look real to me too though.
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Post Post #3879 (isolation #360) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 am

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Kind of feel like anything short of an investigative in the remaining pile of players to claim should hold onto their claim to try and give a slight shield to any kind of protective role. I don't really think there's scum in the group and might give us 3+ nights of investigations if we bamboozle scum.

Y/N?
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Post Post #3887 (isolation #361) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:35 am

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If we'd known Una's claim before massclaim then it would have been optimal to only have the investigative role claim.
Don't really think it matters at this point.

I'm just a VT, so it's pretty much a given that Chara/Spiff are the remaining PRs (and if Ether didn't make one of them a really strong PR then I'm going to be absolutely baffled as to what was going on with the balancing with giving scum two power roles)

Please tell me we have something that can clear people.
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Post Post #3888 (isolation #362) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:36 am

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In post 3886, UnaBombaH wrote:Interesting.. but I guess me saying this same thing was asenine.
You could have just outright claimed before everyone else did and then we would have understood why you wanted to do this.
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Post Post #3892 (isolation #363) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:51 am

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This is the second worst feeling that I've had this game.
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Post Post #3903 (isolation #364) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:28 am

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I'm probably just going to listen to Chara next time they tell me I'm doing something stupid.

P-Edit: I hope so.
I'm finding the setup as it stands to be impossible from a design standpoint when it's Ether who created it.
So, mostly just going to have faith that Ether wouldn't give scum two PRs and then town nothing when she's pretty behind the "town are fucking stupid idiots" movement.
Even with one extra mislynch, I don't really see how this setup can work, at all.
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Post Post #3904 (isolation #365) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:30 am

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Well, while we're waiting to find out the exact magnitude of self-pity I should feel, anyone have any reason why Aristophanes isn't scum that isn't just him being unlikely to take it?
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Post Post #3907 (isolation #366) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:01 am

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Ari is still lurking instead of being here. The engagement is just way too consistent with what I would expect from scum who knows that there's no point in trying to fight against this because he can't win the long-game.
Also think townAri probably replaces out by now.
There's also that I think his presence in the game has been pretty wooden the last little while:
Aristophanes wrote:In theory I suppose I could, however this is not how I ay as scum.

When I'm scum I play in fear. I don't comment in the thread because things are working and I kniw I'll screw it up. When things aren't working I assume its hopeless and rhus also don't post. I can't fake reads for shit and I don't rib with people because it all sounds fake! That's why, as scum, my most active time is RVS. Because nobody is playing an alignment yet really and I can have some fun before fear and death settle in!

Compare that with my play here. I have been sparse, but providing content when I can, including reads and pokes at people for more. I have been ribbing with people and having some fun. It's simply and unfakably my town game!

Also, I never choose scum here.
Stuff like this.. it's kind of hard to articulate but I just don't really believe that he genuinely feels this? Like, the last sentence should feel way more incredulous.
I really feel like townAri is like "how in the world do you guys think that I would pick scum here :lol: " vs what we're getting here. It just doesn't really line up with my expectation of him as a person?
Like, I don't feel like he thinks that we should know better than this, which is a quality that I feel would be oozing from him in his responses to getting pushed here.

He had the really wonky townread on Mulch for a single post which didn't really make any sense.
He literally followed up to tell me to stop voting for Mulch because he made a single post that he thought was town.
There hasn't been a single other player this game that he's done anything like that with.

Gamma was following along closely enough to notice me mentioning him, but he has no reads/input on the game itself.

There hasn't been any significant/real effort to try to find who scum is at any point.

I have some reason to doubt every other player as scum, but the only thing I have for Ari is that I don't understand why he would choose to suffer through a scumgame in team mafia. There's nothing contained within the context of the game itself.

If I'm wrong about him then I think it either has to be implosion or Firebringer.
And beyond that I just struggle to imagine anyone else being scum here.
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Post Post #3915 (isolation #367) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:00 am

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In post 2988, Aristophanes wrote:Also, Trans!Slot is town for sure after their constant attacks, yes? I don't think that was Scum Theatre.
In post 3269, Aristophanes wrote:Ginngie, why are you getting worked up?

Today we lynch Tor. If somehow he was town, we lynch you. If you then are also town, Eddie eats rope.

One of you three is scum, prolly Tor atm.

Why get worked up like this? lol
Kind of feel like this analysis is shallow too given his stance on Eddieslot.
Really the whole stance doesn't really make sense too?
Why does he think Eddie makes sense as a third lynch?
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Post Post #3919 (isolation #368) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:06 am

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In post 3918, Firebringer wrote:Normally I agree but this is a 15 player game.
psssst fire there's a white flag setup being run at the same time as this that has 15 players.
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Post Post #3921 (isolation #369) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:07 am

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In post 3917, Aristophanes wrote:Interactions at the time pointed to Eddie as the strongest possibility. If Ginngie was town Eddie pushing and propagating a narrative to get both lynched made sense from a final scum trying to capitalize on as many mislynches as possible.

That was where my logic came from.
And so that just completely torpedo-ed your stance on Transcend vs Mulch?
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Post Post #3924 (isolation #370) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:14 am

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In post 3913, Aristophanes wrote:Patrick, I am not scum. Lemme read up and see what I can do before stinging me up, eh?
What's the timeline on this?
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Post Post #3947 (isolation #371) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:57 am

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Lmfao.
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Post Post #3951 (isolation #372) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:59 am

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Spoiler: Sneakpeak on Cabd's rolePM
You know that this game is unbalanced.
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Post Post #3958 (isolation #373) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:03 am

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My PR is that I know all of scum's rolePMs.
The last scum is a strongman for some reason btw.
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Post Post #3970 (isolation #374) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:09 am

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I don't think there's any point in mulling over setup spec when there's clearly missing pieces that we don't have yet and we're not going to figure it out by talking it out until we have those pieces of information.

Best thing to do at this point is just try to scumhunt.
And to that end I probably can't dive into much until tomorrow night.

P-Edit: I really doubt that Cabd was confident that he could pull off the gambit. Scum wouldn't waste the nightkill to that end.

PP-Edit: Yes it's real me and my ice cream neighbor Eddie Cane were both informed on various aspects of the setup. [Greylist limit is a thing]
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Post Post #3974 (isolation #375) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:15 am

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Probably not a useful conversation at this point.
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Post Post #3978 (isolation #376) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 am

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Chara, Shea wanted to know if you were scum.
Please answer honestly he doesn't like it when people lie to him.
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Post Post #3985 (isolation #377) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:21 am

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Your lack of answer has been noted.
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Post Post #4027 (isolation #378) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:43 pm

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In post 3928, Aristophanes wrote:Today for sure. Probably starting ~2:30.

I'm only in surface chat mode atm.
It's stuff like this with absolutely no follow-up that really bothers me.
Ari made so many posts after 2:30 that are more or less just fluff posting/theorycrafting instead of catching up.

It could be lazyTown but like, man I just can't imagine being okay with Ari touching endgame when he's having this level of difficulty just seriously engaging with the game in a believable way. I've had scumgames where it feels like I need to read the entire game before posting to put together thoughts in a very careful way to prevent myself from making mistakes that people can jump on and that's exactly what this feels like to me. Ari has said he's been working on catching up previously and yet he has been waiting to put together thoughts on why he thinks certain people are scum. I think that method of dropping gutreads and not providing explicit reasoning is a lot more likely to come from cornered scum treading carefully.

TownAri probably pokes at more things and actually follows through on things like "hmmmmmm ginngie are you scum hmmmmm" instead of just joking it off when he's actually pressed on whether he'll do it. I think scumAri finds this stuff more difficult and I really think townAri feels worse about still being not caught up/probably just frankly replaces out to give the slot a better chance if he's having this much trouble getting into the game.

I'm ready to be convinced that I'm wrong, but singular posts addressing concerns that people have for you are a lot easier to make as scum than genuine scumhunting. And until I see any kind of convincing scumhunting from Ari I'm not postponing the pressure on him.
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Post Post #4074 (isolation #379) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 am

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If Spiff's goal was to ineffectively push Mulch over Kagami so they could get a Kagami lynch then he was frankly doing a bad job considering he was trying to pull people off the wagon.
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Post Post #4075 (isolation #380) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 am

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In post 2251, Spiffeh wrote:@Chara at one point you realized that you were meta-ing Mulch all wrong and said you'd have to reevaluate that read because of it.

You haven't really mentioned him since, so what is your read there now?
ie:
this is a weird thing to do if your goal is to try to get Kagami lynched while pushing Mulch.
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Post Post #4078 (isolation #381) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:13 am

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Spiff who is scum
why haven't you voted anyone today?
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Post Post #4095 (isolation #382) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:12 am

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kmd I'm still waiting for all of Mathdino's detailed reasoning for every single one of his reads
we need his presence in this game
I don't know what to do without it.

No but seriously why am I number 3 on his lynchlist.
I still want to know.
Why.
In detail.
I want every detail.
Of his read.

I'm definitely asking because I'm sorting you.
That's my intention here.
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Post Post #4096 (isolation #383) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:17 am

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In post 4087, Aristophanes wrote:All seemingly town going after town
Who are you talking about here?
Who are the town going after town?
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Post Post #4097 (isolation #384) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:25 am

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In post 4079, Spiffeh wrote:Not sure yet. Without any more investigation I'd say Ari or implosion.

I haven't voted because I still haven't looked at everyone's interactions with flipped scum
which I plan to continue later this evening
wow how embarrassing

@Patrick
, can you walk me through your implosion townread?
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Post Post #4139 (isolation #385) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:15 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Cheetory: Noted that Cheet went after Cabd on Day 1 until Assemble came in. Knows Cheet wants a town read, but asks that anyone who has Cheet as obvtown do a town case.
Ah yes this completely explains everything.
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Post Post #4140 (isolation #386) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:18 pm

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In post 4129, Kmd4390 wrote:Spiffeh: Says he should have been more helpful so far and there is no reason to town read Spiff but later glances at past vote counts and says this is town
Holy.
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Post Post #4141 (isolation #387) » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:44 pm

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I'm actually thinking about resorting KMD for how absolutely shit the Math readlist is tbh.
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Post Post #4165 (isolation #388) » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:01 pm

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Vla until I'm feeling less sick
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Post Post #4180 (isolation #389) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:24 am

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VOTE: Implosion
I want this.
Him still pushing Spiff without having responded to me pulling apart his dive on Spiff is terrible.

As far as I can tell, there's basically no reason for the Spiffwagon other than PoE, which is pretty grand-tier play for team mafia gj guys.
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Post Post #4181 (isolation #390) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:43 am

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If I have the energy today will try to pick at Patrick's reasoning.
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Post Post #4184 (isolation #391) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:55 am

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Oh wow maybe I'm just completely fucked in the head, implosion did respond to me.
Zzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post Post #4192 (isolation #392) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:32 am

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Patrick wrote:I believe the 2018 lingo for that is tvt.
I think you're still using this wrong :P
and not even because implosion might be scum.
In post 4177, Kmd4390 wrote:Aris wagon is bad. It's on town.
In post 4129, Kmd4390 wrote:If he hasn't done anything by LYLO go ahead and lynch him.
Why are you so adamant on derailing the wagon on Ari when it's just kicking the pebble down the road at this point, especially when you're open to lynching him in LyLo?
Spiffeh wrote:If you're actually town your efforts would be much more worthwhile elsewhere
ur dumb.
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Post Post #4194 (isolation #393) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:04 am

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So, he thinks Ari is more or less conftown in his books, but "lol literally lose the game at that point"?
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Post Post #4199 (isolation #394) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:34 am

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this isn't a funny meme.
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Post Post #4202 (isolation #395) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:36 am

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In post 4200, Spiffeh wrote:I think it is
stop being wrong about everything.
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Post Post #4205 (isolation #396) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:39 am

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haha
ur a funny 1
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Post Post #4220 (isolation #397) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:00 am

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Ari has an hour to make a post explaining his spiff thoughts.
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Post Post #4222 (isolation #398) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:01 am

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In post 4218, Kmd4390 wrote:So are we lynching a null read then or am I missing something?
His Mulch interactions really suck.
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Post Post #4225 (isolation #399) » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:03 am

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I'm giving him one last botd in case we're wrong.
Fuck off?
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