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RECK's CABD CASE
i) Doesn't believe Cabd's "Mulch is town for being an asshole" post.
ii) Early setting up of justification for not giving a shit about the game and continual reinforcement of this throughout the entire game. [Half of his posts include something to this effect]
It's not just the complaining about the game, it's that in conjunction with the lack of constructive input into the game.
iii) Using the set-up of disliking the game to excuse doing scummy things:
iv) Reads Cabd's engage with me as buddying.Cabd wrote:Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.
This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.
v) The comparison on Mulch's towngame vs here doesn't contain any examples within the game he linked.
vi) Scum find it a lot easier to drop townreads than scumreads and Cabd hasn't dropped any scumreads.
vii) There isn't very much sorting of Kagami being done given how much he's indicated he wanted to do so.
viii) Cabd talks about how he normally forms townblocks when he's town but he hasn't really tried all that hard to make a townblock beyond the post calling Spiff/Ginngie town.
ix) Doesn't believe Cabd's obvious softclaim of the role because town doesn't wait until they're under pressure to breadcrumb a role.
Thinks he would just say "fuck off I can confirm myself get off of me".
x) He only engages with the same 2-3 players the entire game and mostly only engages on the Mulch townread.
Things I would personally add:
He had no reaction to the Assemble wagon which was kind of weird given that he cares so much about townblocking and a townread that he spent all game defending was getting wagoned. Also no reaction from him about being wrong about Mulch today. It honestly reads dissonant that he's being cheeky/coy when he spent all of day one being 100% wrong about a read.
Something I want to look into is Mulch's engagement with Cabd, because scumMulch would 100% HATE rolling scum with Cabd.
I think some level of "I want to win" vs "I do not like this person" would be pulling at the way Mulch was pushing Cabd. Probably don't have time to do that until tomorrow though.
A lot of this might be moot if Cabd is somehow actually conftown.
So, consider me really annoyed if RECK and I put all of this effort into trying to figure him out if there was literally no reason to.
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I'm bored/I'd rather the conversation be directed moreso onto Cabd until we get clarity on his claim.In post 2821, Kagami wrote:Pretty sure a lot of effort is wasted there anyway, cheet. It's not like cabd lives if he isn't confirmed.
And una full claims.
Most of the work was with transcribing Reck's thoughts anyways.
p-edit: Are you at all scared that Transcend and RC both have thought/think that Una is town?- Cheetory6
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You really think you were the nightkill?In post 2843, Cabd wrote:Ya'll are prolly gonna mislynch me for my gambit working, whatever.
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Is Mathdino scum?In post 2906, Kmd4390 wrote:Mathdino says cabd is town because he believes the claim but he understands the need to Lynch him. I'm less sure of the claim myself mostly because I'm not sure scum would shoot him but Mathdino says it makes sense to shoot someone who is about to be confirmed and who they can't block and I can't say I fully disagree with that. I think I'm leaning town pending scum's kill being stopped some other way.- Cheetory6
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Why is anyone even remotely entertaining the possibility of Cabd being the nightkill?
If you think "oh maybe Cabd wasn't shot but he's town" then like okay, sure, but this absurd notion that the guy who hard defended scum, made a clearly fake claim, that everyone was scumreading and who was barely invested in the game at all was the scum's kill of choice after losing scum on D1?
It's literally baffling to me that Mathdino is entertaining that thought, let alone actually being confident about it.
Idk. Implosion?Spiff wrote:Cheetory if it's not as easy as Aristophanes being the last scum who do you think it is?
He's been telling me Spiff is scum basically all game.Firebringer wrote:Does he have thoughts- Cheetory6
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Also feel like I'm going to emotionally exhaust myself getting frustrated trying to explain how wrong I feel that assessment is.
Especially when you're asking me for reasoning why I think Cabd isn't the nightkill when I gave like five reasons a page ago
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I will say that I immediately knew the FN claim itself was fake because townCabd never outright claims friendly neighbor, and would probably do something like d2 innocent townie, given that it paints any potential roleblock on himself immediately.
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This isn't good reasoning to townread someone.In post 2939, Kmd4390 wrote:-Almost50, RC, Eddie, and Bins should be able to back him up on Cabd being town by team composition even though his play is scummy. Tora, Firebringer, and Implosion should ask them. He's surprised Cheet doesn't see it.
We don't know how many scum are on their team and it's gambler's fallacy to play that game.
If this was the reason for the townread you should have said so in the first place because dancing around it made what you were saying sound not real.- Cheetory6
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Sorry that he's bad at scum? Lol.In post 2939, Kmd4390 wrote:-when he's scum, confirmed townies are his priority NKs.- Cheetory6
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In post 2965, Eddie Cane wrote:someone talk to meGameplan:
i) Murder Cabd tonight [RECK cries a single solitary tear of joy].
ii) Murderkill Ari D3.
iii) Be called cool for sweeping.
iv) eddie cane
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I'm upset at your team for giving you a scum rolePM not for not playing the game.In post 2973, Aristophanes wrote:Something about having a nasty ass for criticizing my team instead of myself in this game for one.
For two, telling you that I would never be assigned a Scum PM here considering my meta and team makeup.
Why is Gamma following along closely enough to comment on something like that but to not be giving reads?- Cheetory6
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Consider me kind of unconvinced by play so far.In post 2981, Aristophanes wrote:And Cheet, there is literally no chance I get a scum PM here. It's a stupid argument, I know, but seriously!
But I'm a reasonable man:
Reck's been telling me to put you back in the null pile.In post 2817, Cheetory6 wrote:RECK's CABD CASE
i) Doesn't believe Cabd's "Mulch is town for being an asshole" post.
ii) Early setting up of justification for not giving a shit about the game and continual reinforcement of this throughout the entire game. [Half of his posts include something to this effect]
It's not just the complaining about the game, it's that in conjunction with the lack of constructive input into the game.
iii) Using the set-up of disliking the game to excuse doing scummy things:
iv) Reads Cabd's engage with me as buddying.Cabd wrote:Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.
This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.
v) The comparison on Mulch's towngame vs here doesn't contain any examples within the game he linked.
vi) Scum find it a lot easier to drop townreads than scumreads and Cabd hasn't dropped any scumreads.
vii) There isn't very much sorting of Kagami being done given how much he's indicated he wanted to do so.
viii) Cabd talks about how he normally forms townblocks when he's town but he hasn't really tried all that hard to make a townblock beyond the post calling Spiff/Ginngie town.
ix) Doesn't believe Cabd's obvious softclaim of the role because town doesn't wait until they're under pressure to breadcrumb a role.
Thinks he would just say "fuck off I can confirm myself get off of me".
x) He only engages with the same 2-3 players the entire game and mostly only engages on the Mulch townread.
Things I would personally add:
He had no reaction to the Assemble wagon which was kind of weird given that he cares so much about townblocking and a townread that he spent all game defending was getting wagoned. Also no reaction from him about being wrong about Mulch today. It honestly reads dissonant that he's being cheeky/coy when he spent all of day one being 100% wrong about a read.
Something I want to look into is Mulch's engagement with Cabd, because scumMulch would 100% HATE rolling scum with Cabd.
I think some level of "I want to win" vs "I do not like this person" would be pulling at the way Mulch was pushing Cabd. Probably don't have time to do that until tomorrow though.
Will consider doing so if you talk at me about the following:
i) why were you townreading Mulch? Give me some context for the post you made where you did.
ii) do you have no experience with scum Mulch and what the reputation of his scumgame is?
iii) some kind of a guess for who you think is most likely scum beyond Cabd, even if it isn't educated at this point.- Cheetory6
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He softed friendly neighbor in a really obvious way on D1 and is now claiming that he's bulletproof and that scum tried to kill him.In post 2988, Aristophanes wrote:Now for the Cabd Case:
That's actually a decently strong case and one I would consider joining! What did he claim?
The gambit is kind of unbelievable in its simplicity (in that I think townCabd is better at gambitting than that), but the kicker is the insinuation that he was the nightkill. There's no way that Cabd comes into today thinking he was shot after his performance D1, even with a soft like that.
Also jeeze, way to dismantle my scumread on you with like three posts
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Aeronerd doesn't know a thing about intellect.In post 2996, Aristophanes wrote:Also Aero says you're being dumb
Eddie I thought you were townleaning Una as of your last dive of him?- Cheetory6
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Oh I just don't understand the quote wall's purpose then.In post 2999, Eddie Cane wrote:I am?
If you have a sec can you give implosion's ISO a glance and tell me what you think of his trajectory on Mulch/Cabd?
In particular, if you think the way he developed on Mulch/Kagami seems real to you.
p-edit: I understand ego is a thing.
I don't think ego erases people's ability to properly process information, especially when they're generally mechanically oriented.
I think Cabd is pretty capable of processing that something else probably stopped a kill for N1, the insistence as to otherwise looks way more like fishing, rather than overconfidence.- Cheetory6
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I'm worried that implosion is getting written off based on how reasonable his opinions are, rather than how town they are.In post 3002, Cheetory6 wrote:If you have a sec can you give implosion's ISO a glance and tell me what you think of his trajectory on Mulch/Cabd?
In particular, if you think the way he developed on Mulch/Kagami seems real to you.
With Mulch's flip in hand, the weirdness of his forceful Kagami push could have some underlying meaning if he's scum.- Cheetory6
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I'll try to take some time to look at KMD's ISO.
I will say that I feel like scumKMD spends less time trying to convince people that they're underestimating his scumplay in general when they say they're townleaning him and the Cabd defense is really just.. blatant and unorthodox in a way that's mostly ineffective and just draws attention to himself, so if Cabd flips scum [which I think is honestly pretty much a certainty at this point] then I think KMD doesn't really fit for a partner?
Have you played with scumAristophanes before Eddie?
He's notoriously not that great at scum.
I doubt he could have put together compelling answers/reasoning for things he'd done in that short of a time in that responsive/real time of a way as scum.- Cheetory6
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Reck pointed out to me that it seems pretty plausible that Ari had a slow start this game because of RL stuff and a generally fast pace to the game.
He said he couldn't play in my latest paint mafia because he actively wanted to avoid large themes/that he didn't think he could keep up and this game's moved more or less at that pace.- Cheetory6
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Do you expect townAri to commit to solving the game?
He's more or less committing to engaging with the current gamestate instead of trying to catch up and has started giving opinions on things as they're happening.
Also can believe the Mulch townlean with the added context of his explanation and it didn't seem like something he'd been working on for a long time and was just something he threw together (which I don't think he could do as scum here). I'm kind of struggling to understand how you're feeling strongly about him having not caught up completely during the night and if you like his latest analysis post I'm not sure why you care so much as to what my current read on him is?
I could be wrong and I'm not like saying he's townbinned, but I definitely feel like there are people I'm more interested in going into D3.
Do you see something that links him strongly to Cabd and do you think his explanation for the Mulch townread makes sense?
Because if you don't have direct concerns with regard to either angle, then this poke on me feels really strange.- Cheetory6
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who do you think is scum so far based on your reaction test
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I was probably gonna poke you today.Spiffeh wrote:Cheet did you actually think I was scum?
I also never got around to ISOdiving Tor.
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It's fun getting carried by people/circumstance!Eddie Cane wrote:if this is a fake guilty I still want to lynch tor here lmao look at his iso it's trash seeing the flips
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our 2 towngames were basically perfect
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Okay let's start looking for fourth scum.Ginngie wrote:we could pretend there is a fourth scum lmao
NO LYNCHING UNTIL WE GET SOME OTHER FLIPS IN THE OTHER GAMES OK?- Cheetory6
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Lol.In post 2877, Toranaga wrote:so how about that friendly neighbour claim
someone needs to have a green check on you or you die this gameday
Oh hindsight.
I know ):Chara wrote:we already lost the perfect streak when Kagami died. the fully-red first post was so beautiful.
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Annie is a boring champion.In post 3145, Firebringer wrote:“Cheetory is the super secret scum MVP. Please lynch” -anniebell - Cheetory6
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