Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Aristophanes]

Whoa this started?

Cool! =D

I'll work on reading up after work

[Aristophanes]

Well this game is off to a horrible start

what's going on expose your heart to me

1) Nobody is here to banter with me except firebringr
2) All my pagetops are stolen
3) The game is inactive
4) You ruined our mason cover

1. This was an hour into the game with no gamestart PM...
2. Pagetop VCs are amazing and I <3 Ether
3. LITERALLY AN HOUR IN AND ON PAGE 5 DONT EVEN!!!
r. I mean, you ruined it with how you presented it. Didnt believe it for a hot second tbh.

I'm sorry you aren't having fun and hope this changes though!

Still reading, nothing to actually say yet.

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry you aren't having fun and hope this changes though!

ah, having Aristophanes in a game again. it's so nice.

<3

Nice to see you here too, Chara!

I hope we can be town together!

[Aristophanes]

Yes I realize that this is a question after I said I would ask more of them as scum but idc

:O
A contradiction!!!

Obvscum!

[Aristophanes]

Ok but why have two shitwagons popped up instead of boosting up cabds

Why is Cabd scum?

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes hates playing scum and there are lots of people here who can confidently read him. It's possible he took scum. It's also possible that he might be punching himself in the face right now. I don't really think he'd do either to himself here.

So you're also saying people can confidently read him?
Are you one of those people?
I assume it has to be based on tone alone, simply because he has done very little in the terms of scumhunting.
Not judging the player - yet again, only respect for my "elders" - but what is his value to town if he doesn't scumhunt or post much, and is only obv.town to those who are part of a circle who can toneread him confidently based on something like 6 posts?

Genuinely, honestly interested.

Cheet has known me since forever. He can probably read me best of anyone! Also, yeah, I'm never choosing a scum role for team mafia. I also don't intend to punch myself in the face

Also, did you just call me old? XD

Also also, I have read up to page 10 (the mulch and fb show) and a few recent pages. I am not lurking, just catching up!

[Aristophanes]

Oh god 45 now...

[Aristophanes]

That's pretty comfortably middle aged.

Well played! XD

[Aristophanes]

Can we maybe not lynch until I get caught up?

Thanks.

[Aristophanes]

Let's just like.

Disband the two big wagons?

Pls?

okay!

UNVOTE:

[Aristophanes]

Welp, that happened lol

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes ur looking fly

<3 U FB!

I swear I'll be caught up soon!

[Aristophanes]

Ari how long until you're done you're catch-up, gimme a timeline?
Cabd how long until we get content from you again?

This weekend latest!

I'll aim for Mid Saturday?

[Aristophanes]

Does this game ever not have a new post to read? Lol

[Aristophanes]

Alsi, can I steal a coveted pagetop? :O

[Aristophanes]

R u gonna stop prod dodging soon ari?

Of course!

Saturday is what I told Cheet, and I meant it! I just havent been able to catch up as of yet and thus cannot speak to much!

Once I get caught up hopefully I can stay that way.

[Aristophanes]

Bruh Eddie is going for glory

Implosion is just bad

Kagami is scum

That’s the tl:dr of this game


Also implo i haven’t forgotten ur question

I'll keep these in mind. As town Mulch has good reads, just bad implementation!

[Aristophanes]

The way you read me is on agenda and on some word choice scum tells that ellibereth has figured out, and my tone

Elli scumreads Mulch!

Confscum right here! XD
Literally confirmed by the organizer!!!

[Aristophanes]

68 pages ;_;

I'm reading up now, starting again at page 10. I will try to get this done tonight since I have a chance!
Reserving comments until the end I think.

[Aristophanes]

Tell me - Who we doin' today?

I got to page 25 by refusing to read the hyperposters (left me ~2 posts a page I actually had to care about).

I found you scummy, Cheet towny, mulch ignored townie.

Tora and Spiff I need to do more to read but Tora went onto ignore pretty quickly as well. I will put the work in there later.

Ginngie feels maybe scum as well. I want to Iso him first though.

Transcend Iunno, gonna hold off there until I reread the replacement with Eddie. Fb I have no read on either atm.

I think Kagami and Chara said things in there too but sere not very memorable. Iirc from last night before I got torn away from this that did leave me a townier vibe from Kagami's tone and a scummier vibe from Chara's.

Oh, and KMD seems fine. What was your case there?

[Aristophanes]

I thought that said "how we doin' today" I'm an idiot!

[Aristophanes]

I'm a little thrown off by him claiming to never select scum over town because of the nature of Team Mafia

But a lot of people have said that at some point so idk how much stock can be put into it

Only rule:

Talk about competition meta and you get lynched.

[Aristophanes]

Oh I guess we have to lynch Spiff then.

It has been foretold!

[Aristophanes]

Transcend sounds tonally town but his early push on Mulch is kinda bad

For someone to have claimed to been in several games with Mulch in the past it seems like he's working really hard to find contradictions in what Mulch is saying when it doesn't seem that Mulch contradicting himself is all that alignment indicative

I agree and the Mulch vs Transcend thing is why I am holding off on reading Transcend as of yet. I don't know if he would do that push as scum though. It seems wholly unnecessary.

[Aristophanes]

The only reason I’m tr ginngie rn is incredibly dumb I am wondering what’s ur thoughts on her actually

Closer to town than not, but it's not really anything significant.
I could bs with specifics, but it's just that I haven't found anything I disliked in their posting, some posts that gave townvibes and I can buy them feeling disengaged from mafia in general as town here so I don't feel overly worried.
If PoE pool needs to get bigger they're probably going in but for now I'm not really worried about it.

Hey Cheet, can you give me a read progression on Ginngie? You townread them but have no real interactions. I just did a quick Iso and I really dont get a blatantly town feel from them at all. I'd loke to know where you get it from or if the read has changed from the quoted post.

[Aristophanes]

Okay no worries! I more was asking you because I feel you are my strongest townread atm.

I saw it was a while ago so I wasnt sure if you had a better grasp on them since the post.

[Aristophanes]

I don't know ginn much, but my team does, and they insist ginn wouldn't take a scum PM unless that team got 3+

I just don't see the obvtown Ginngie I'm used to here.

Pants off head?

[Aristophanes]

Let’s lynch in Cabd and Kagami!

Are they scum?

If so, are they scum together?

[Aristophanes]

I got to page 25 by refusing to read the hyperposters (left me ~2 posts a page I actually had to care about).

[Aristophanes]

Well there’s plenty more to read!

Indeed, I am out buying groceries atm so not really in thread parsing mode lol

[Aristophanes]

Y'all type too much!

I'll get back to catching up TN and hopefully finish...

Fucking ninja Mulch...

[Aristophanes]

I think you're screwed Mulch.

There's no way I'm getting lynched here without securing a promise from everyone that you die tomorrow.

Can I make this promise in bad faith?

I'm pretty sure this is town Mulch here.

[Aristophanes]

So we're all on the same page, FB is not a gunsmith.

You do realize they claimed gunsmith

Oh you think he's fake claiming. Actually someone did say in a turbo last night they claim roles all the time as both allignments

And you don't claim a powerful role like gunsmith for absolutely no reason.

I'm also told that Elli hates gunsmiths, though I don't know to what extent Ether would honor that.

Elli probably had little say in game setup. And have you played with FB? He absolutely would claim this for real or as a fake out!

[Aristophanes]

Ginngie knows whats up!

[Aristophanes]

i like the post above this one.

i now think Aristophanes is probably scum. possibly moreso than Kagami. thrilling.
it's late.

Chara, how even?

What pushed you towards thinking this?

[Aristophanes]

Tell me - Who we doin' today?

I got to page 25 by refusing to read the hyperposters (left me ~2 posts a page I actually had to care about).

I found you scummy, Cheet towny, mulch ignored townie.

Tora and Spiff I need to do more to read but Tora went onto ignore pretty quickly as well. I will put the work in there later.

Ginngie feels maybe scum as well. I want to Iso him first though.

Transcend Iunno, gonna hold off there until I reread the replacement with Eddie. Fb I have no read on either atm.

I think Kagami and Chara said things in there too but sere not very memorable. Iirc from last night before I got torn away from this that did leave me a townier vibe from Kagami's tone and a scummier vibe from Chara's.

Oh, and KMD seems fine. What was your case there?

glad you asked!
don't like this post. i'd explain why but i don't want to. meaning i'll do so later. more accurately, this post is what made me look at you more critically instead of just PoE.

seeing some real, concrete thought process from you would be great, Ari. :>

I look forward to you getting into it later then!

I will have content soon. I just need to stop getting interrupted every time I make time to do it!

[Aristophanes]

Ari to be fair it's been

5 days? lol

and 90 pages.

I'm not going to continue making excuses though. I will catch up and be relevant.

I would to the classic Pine replace in strategy of reading just the last 5 pages and using it to extrapolate the whole game from, but I know 90% of that is probably shitposts and by the time I get done I'll be another 10 behind!
So i may as well skim the whole thread.

[Aristophanes]

Reading a bit on my lunch break!

Vheet, I will answer the questions you had soon. As for sounding disingenuous about it being all spam, that is what I have read. If it becomes content full in my read I will be extremely pleased!

[Aristophanes]

If kagami flips scum then trans is town imo

Great, then we agree he's town.

Wait what

Oh lord

This is probably my favourite post of the game yet! XD

Watching that thought process was amazing!
And towny AF!

[Aristophanes]

So you/your team chose you for this mini normal over the other after you saw what your roles in both normals were?

Who cares?

I dont see why you are on this so much and I don't think it looks good on you.

I will be interested in reading your follow up to this.

[Aristophanes]

So you/your team chose you for this mini normal over the other after you saw what your roles in both normals were?

Who cares?

I dont see why you are on this so much and I don't think it looks good on you.

I will be interested in reading your follow up to this.

I mean.

If you literally look at Mulch's reply to this post on the same page, he says he was planning to take the scum PM if his team got one between the two normals, which is basically what I was trying to get out of this, i.e. a statement from him on what the baseline probability of him being scum is (which happens to be 36% if he is telling the truth about everything here).

It's not something I think is good to emphasize but it's good to know the baseline probability according to him. I also thought he was implying he'd decided entirely which game to pick between the two normals before seeing roles which seemed nonsensical.

I'm not really sure what your issue is with this, Ari.

Yeah, I saw the response and I still think it was wholly unnecessary. You were fishing for this answer in order to make this 33% chance of scum viable!

What did you think of his play? Thats what actually matters!

Patrick, katsuki says you've clearly senile and should just trust us on mulch-scum.

I appreciate Katsuki chiming in with this.

If forced to pick between you and Mulch (replacement), I'd probably vote for Mulch, but am not really comfortable with the idea that that one of you has to be scum, which seems to be gaining a fair bit of support. What's your current read on Spiffeh?

Wait, is Katsuki playing??
I miss him!

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I saw the response and I still think it was wholly unnecessary. You were fishing for this answer in order to make this 33% chance of scum viable!

What did you think of his play? Thats what actually matters!

i have a feeling you'll like my kagami case

There was also an element where at one point I did literally think he was lying about how he chose which game to play in.

Oh good, something to look forward to in my reading! =D

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes where u at and how about helping me

The bar for a weekly comedy evening!

How can I help?

[Aristophanes]

Vote kagami

I could consider thar!

Assemblerotws replaces Mulch for Spam Squad.

OMG ASSEMBLE IS HERE!

[Aristophanes]

Vote kagami

I could consider thar!

Assemblerotws replaces Mulch for Spam Squad.

OMG ASSEMBLE IS HERE!

U said u would help me

Fiiine

VOTE: Kagami
Promises aree promises.

Cheet, Mulch was town..
Assemble just has to get into things. Give him a chance?

[Aristophanes]

on Aristophanes: it's not his ISO, but while his early posts felt fairly good (and had me townleaning them), i remember some from earlier this morning where the tone looked manufactured. i should keep in mind that Ari's tone in threads outside of mafia games also sometimes feel "manufactured", and i mean no offense to Ari with this as i know they are genuine. <3 (this is a note from Chara to Chara, if that wasn't clear. and a little to Ari.)

<3

I realize I sound fake a lot and I have no way around it! Just the way I speak

[Aristophanes]

Gamma Emerald, Aeronaut, Something_Smart and Fro99er.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Lol Cheeto wtf is this?

Also, happy Scumday Cabd!

[Aristophanes]

Hey Keely, Gamma has a message for you!

Something about having a nasty ass for criticizing my team instead of myself in this game for one.
For two, telling you that I would never be assigned a Scum PM here considering my meta and team makeup.

I thought I'd pass this along as I attempt to catch up here.

At this point in the game, do you think it reasonable that I do the Pine strategy and read only the latest ~15-20 pages so I can pretend to be relevant? I don't think reading the whole game is at all feasible at this point, sadly.

[Aristophanes]

Ari

vote Cabd

Gimme a slight overview of why please?

[Aristophanes]

No.

Compelling.
I guess I'll have to do some legwork myself...

Something about having a nasty ass for criticizing my team instead of myself in this game for one.
For two, telling you that I would never be assigned a Scum PM here considering my meta and team makeup.

I'm upset at your team for giving you a scum rolePM not for not playing the game.
Why is Gamma following along closely enough to comment on something like that but to not be giving reads?

Uhh, that's a good question actually! To which I do not have an answer.
And Cheet, there is literally no chance I get a scum PM here. It's a stupid argument, I know, but seriously!

Ninja'd

Ari please tell nasty ass Gamma to give detailed reads on the entire playerlist.
(:

Ahaha Alright, I'll pass this on my friend <3

[Aristophanes]

Ari if you’re really like 90 pages behind with no plans to catch up have you considered replacing out?

I am and I have. However I think the Pine strategy is what I need to do.
Once I have that as a base I can Iso and make/support cases at least as well as being relevant in up to date conversations!
I've done it before, I can do it again! You can't get rid of me that easily, Spiff

[Aristophanes]

And Cheet, there is literally no chance I get a scum PM here. It's a stupid argument, I know, but seriously!

Consider me kind of unconvinced by play so far.

But I'm a reasonable man:

Spoiler: I spoilered this quote to save wall space :)

RECK's CABD CASE

i) Doesn't believe Cabd's "Mulch is town for being an asshole" post.

ii) Early setting up of justification for not giving a shit about the game and continual reinforcement of this throughout the entire game. [Half of his posts include something to this effect]
It's not just the complaining about the game, it's that in conjunction with the lack of constructive input into the game.

iii) Using the set-up of disliking the game to excuse doing scummy things:

Kagami has literally six posts. it's an invite to dance.

This wouldn't be my normal approach but see the whole "i want to rip my hair out at some of the player list and regret everything" part. I need a rock or two.

iv) Reads Cabd's engage with me as buddying.

v) The comparison on Mulch's towngame vs here doesn't contain any examples within the game he linked.

vi) Scum find it a lot easier to drop townreads than scumreads and Cabd hasn't dropped any scumreads.

vii) There isn't very much sorting of Kagami being done given how much he's indicated he wanted to do so.

viii) Cabd talks about how he normally forms townblocks when he's town but he hasn't really tried all that hard to make a townblock beyond the post calling Spiff/Ginngie town.

ix) Doesn't believe Cabd's obvious softclaim of the role because town doesn't wait until they're under pressure to breadcrumb a role.
Thinks he would just say "fuck off I can confirm myself get off of me".

x) He only engages with the same 2-3 players the entire game and mostly only engages on the Mulch townread.

Things I would personally add:

He had no reaction to the Assemble wagon which was kind of weird given that he cares so much about townblocking and a townread that he spent all game defending was getting wagoned. Also no reaction from him about being wrong about Mulch today. It honestly reads dissonant that he's being cheeky/coy when he spent all of day one being 100% wrong about a read.

Something I want to look into is Mulch's engagement with Cabd, because scumMulch would 100% HATE rolling scum with Cabd.
I think some level of "I want to win" vs "I do not like this person" would be pulling at the way Mulch was pushing Cabd. Probably don't have time to do that until tomorrow though.

Reck's been telling me to put you back in the null pile.
Will consider doing so if you talk at me about the following:
i) why were you townreading Mulch? Give me some context for the post you made where you did.
ii) do you have no experience with scum Mulch and what the reputation of his scumgame is?
iii) some kind of a guess for who you think is most likely scum beyond Cabd, even if it isn't educated at this point.

You are a good man, Cheeto! <3

i) I was townreading him because I really did feel he had town motivations backing his posts. His initial excitement and spamming of the thread is NAI I suppose but I figured if he were scum he would have stopped after being called out on it, which he did not. It looked genuine. Thinking back, I believe he had a few posts along the lines of "where is everyone!?" in like, the first hour or two of the game which sound way more manufactured than they did at the time and should have tipped me off to him being

off

. When I read them I read excitement though and was already skimming him hard by then.

Spoiler: Relevant Posts about Mulch:

A)

Bruh Eddie is going for glory

Implosion is just bad

Kagami is scum

That’s the tl:dr of this game


Also implo i haven’t forgotten ur question

I'll keep these in mind. As town Mulch has good reads, just bad implementation!

B)

Transcend sounds tonally town but his early push on Mulch is kinda bad

For someone to have claimed to been in several games with Mulch in the past it seems like he's working really hard to find contradictions in what Mulch is saying when it doesn't seem that Mulch contradicting himself is all that alignment indicative

I agree and the Mulch vs Transcend thing is why I am holding off on reading Transcend as of yet. I don't know if he would do that push as scum though. It seems wholly unnecessary.

C)

If kagami flips scum then trans is town imo

Great, then we agree he's town.

Wait what

Oh lord

This is probably my favourite post of the game yet! XD

Watching that thought process was amazing!
And towny AF!

A) I have seen Town!Mulch gamesolve D1 and get lynch and ignored a few times. I thus think he is a good player with a bad posting style. I actually do give his reads a lot more weight than some others.
B) I'll level with you, Something_Smart advised me to let Mulch and Transcend live and frolic D1 to avoid causing a shit show in the game, and because if they were both town it would be detrimental to attack or lynch them so soon. I respected that and this was my way of avoiding commentary. Also, Trans!Slot is town for sure after their constant attacks, yes? I don't think that was Scum Theatre.
C) The timing of these posts, the appearance that he just realized Kagami had "scumslipped", and the selfquote update thing he was doing made this post look really towny to me. I thought he was reading then rereading and it was a real time realization type of thing. I see now that I played right into his hand.

ii) I believe I have far more experience with him as town and because of playstyle do somewhat avoid him tbh. I have heard he has a strong scumgame but I don't recall any details past that.

iii) Hmm...Well I have gotten a few weird vibes off of Implo but I don't feel that too strongly. I believe Chara and FB have given me reason to suspect them at some points but I'd have to look for details and to see if I'm misremembering. Chara I think is actually the strongest here.

Now for the Cabd Case:
That's actually a decently strong case and one I would consider joining! What did he claim?

[Aristophanes]

Ari if you’re really like 90 pages behind with no plans to catch up have you considered replacing out?

I am and I have. However I think the Pine strategy is what I need to do.
Once I have that as a base I can Iso and make/support cases at least as well as being relevant in up to date conversations!
I've done it before, I can do it again! You can't get rid of me that easily, Spiff

I mean I can get rid of you pretty easily by lynching you tomorrow

I just feel like town!Ari this behind would realize he’s being detrimental and consider replacing our whereas scum!Ari is more likely to lurk and be unhelpful as a strategy

Nah, I have done this as both alignments. I am more likely to stick in as Scum because I hate letting my scumteam down (If you read the Scum PT for Inorganic Chemistry you'll see exactly what I mean, not that I expect you to. I can link it if requested).

I just really have a hard time keeping up when I see ~7 new pages every time I check the site!

[Aristophanes]

Now for the Cabd Case:
That's actually a decently strong case and one I would consider joining! What did he claim?

He softed friendly neighbor in a really obvious way on D1 and is now claiming that he's bulletproof and that scum tried to kill him.
The gambit is kind of unbelievable in its simplicity (in that I think townCabd is better at gambitting than that), but the kicker is the insinuation that he was the nightkill. There's no way that Cabd comes into today thinking he was shot after his performance D1, even with a soft like that.

Also jeeze, way to dismantle my scumread on you with like three posts
Jerk.

<3 U too Cheet! XD

That claim is really convenient in too many ways, and if his D1 was really Meh I don't see why he would assume he was the NK and not that anything else interfered with the kill. Why would anyone soft Friendly Neighbour? That's just dumb because of the nature of the role! Unless he was trying to draw the NK because bulletproof? That seems ridiculous though, especially on D1.

Who did he visit?

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and Gamma doesn't have reads really, but he may work on some.
When Mulch flipped I lamented that I would be pushed blindly for defending him once D2 came and Gamma started to look at the game at some point after that.

[Aristophanes]

The friendly neighbor part was fake.
He's claiming just bulletproof now, saying that he was trying to lure the nightkill with it.

Well that's just ridiculous.

[Aristophanes]

Gamma doesn't have reads really

What a nasty ass.

Also Aero says you're being dumb

I think my team collectively Loves you in the 3rd Grade crush kind of way XD

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes, if you aren't caught up by day 3 I'm going to push for your lynch. just a heads up mate. you just had 48 hours, now you have 48 more plus however long before hammer.

I'll see what I can do!

[Aristophanes]

I actually Iso'd the scum flips and Kagami was obvscum from it...

Im bad at Mafia guys.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes barely even got to play

Thanks for caring <3

[Aristophanes]

I have a guilty on aristophanes
VOTE: Aristophanes

Oh

Lol

[Aristophanes]

Did I even vote this game?

[Aristophanes]

Did I even vote this game?

And that was ur biggest mistake, scum

Shit! XD

Actually, i only ever unvotes with no vote...I super never voted

I'll read this Eddie case on Ginngie, but it seems like Tor is the only logical lynch today.

[Aristophanes]

I'll read this Eddie case on Ginngie, but it seems like Tor is the only logical lynch today.

oh Ari.

Y'all are just playing around now, arent you...

[Aristophanes]

MASTINA IS A NORMAL REVIEWER

THIS IS A NORMAL GAME

FOR THEM TO BE MASONS

THEY HAVE TO BE EXPLICITLY CALLED MASONS

THAT'S WHY I ASKED

Even I know this

[Aristophanes]

I dont play normals so

Me neither tbh

[Aristophanes]

Ginngie, why are you getting worked up?

Today we lynch Tor. If somehow he was town, we lynch you. If you then are also town, Eddie eats rope.

One of you three is scum, prolly Tor atm.

Why get worked up like this? lol

[Aristophanes]

Ginngie, why are you getting worked up?

Today we lynch Tor. If somehow he was town, we lynch you. If you then are also town, Eddie eats rope.

One of you three is scum, prolly Tor atm.

Why get worked up like this? lol

...how are you calling me scum now?? that doesn't even relate. and why do we lynch tor first? this is

fake

and we want 3 scum lynches in a row.

I, too, would like a perfect win. However I am laying out the plan in case we mess up.

Also I actually have not read your posts so *shrugs*

SO MANY NINJAE!!!

[Aristophanes]

Can I hammer?

[Aristophanes]

Ari can hammer

<3

VOTE: Toranaga

You are amazing Ginngie!

[Aristophanes]

I need this game out of my life so I can focus on my inorganic exam

I did this for you =D

[Aristophanes]

okay gg

Happy Scumday BTW!

[Aristophanes]

i'm not like, mad or anything.
but don't fake guilties as town. please. :>

This.

Thanks for giving me what we thought was the game winning hammer though! <3

This excitement got me into the game at least! Let's get this final scum! =D

[Aristophanes]

Ginngie, why are you getting worked up?

Today we lynch Tor. If somehow he was town, we lynch you. If you then are also town, Eddie eats rope.

One of you three is scum, prolly Tor atm.

Why get worked up like this? lol

I don't know if I stand by this post. Eddie flipped town too which is great...

Ginngie claiming a false guilty is suicide for scum. It makes no sense as I think more about it.

[Aristophanes]

@Ari/Spiff

Who do you think is scum right now?

Chara and Implo have been bugging me for a while and I need to reread them but they would be my top picks. Una was a possibility at the beginning but I like their posts mostly for a while so dropping that.

[Aristophanes]

Ginngue stop it with the selfvite AtE shit please <3

[Aristophanes]

Ginngue stop it with the selfvite AtE shit please <3

Well I’m being told no one cares about me and wants me dead

And then I’m told to replace out because i want people to lynch me

It’s fucking weird juxtaposition to be in

I don't want either at the moment and I do value your thoughts. Talk woth me if nobody else!

Who do you think is scum?
You and your team are very skolled and can bounce back from the dake guilty! Just reexamine thongs and let me know please! Youre no help to us while wallowing!

Also, Ginngue was a typo but I love it!

[Aristophanes]

Ari why are you so kind

Beats me! XD

I wish I could type properly for once, but alas!

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so the first ~20 posts of Implo's iso are towny af hell for how te ahttacks and responds to Cads/Mulch. I think I can cross them off the scum list for a while!

[Aristophanes]

Cads = Cabd. I might proofread a post at some point, but no promises!

[Aristophanes]

I stole your pagetop! XD

#SorryNotSorry #DontModkillMePlease #IWillBanYou #TooManyHashtags #MAKEITSTOP!!!!! #Hashtag

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Firebringer

I have a guilty on firebringer.
Let’s go boiissss

I love you FB, but who do you

actually

scumread?

We could win this game anytime now! It is within our grasps! We just need to button down and do it!

[Aristophanes]

Ari: have you talked about your dislike of implosion and me?

Mostly tone reading, pending Iso. I did so on Implo and changed my thoyghts, it may happen with you as well!

[Aristophanes]

thoyghts

so close

God Dammit!!! XD

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Firebringer

I have a guilty on firebringer.
Let’s go boiissss

I love you FB, but who do you

actually

scumread?

We could win this game anytime now! It is within our grasps! We just need to button down and do it!

FB?

Just reexamine thongs and let me know please

Wait, this isnt the Relationship thread!

[Aristophanes]

Why is everything on hold until postgame?

[Aristophanes]

Wooooooo

I need to Iso Chara. This is a self reminder.

[Aristophanes]

I think ari is actually scum

If you think this I don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't pick scum here and this isn't my scum play.

*shrugs*

Ninja'd
Thanks Patcrick!

FB, what does that quote signify to you?

[Aristophanes]

That's a new misspelling of my name, appreciate you taking it for a spin.

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of the post quoted by Firebringer either. On some level it blows my mind that some people were talking about what would happen if Toranaga flipped town and Ginngie were also to flip town, but he wasn't the only one, so.

I shouldjust stop phonposting...

I was theorizing in case Ginngie was lying. I don't see what is wrongwith that?

[Aristophanes]

actually Ari bro

why is it that you no longer doing the pushing of me?

Your reaction when you came in and Eddie dying gave me pause. I want to give you a chance to do something before deciding

[Aristophanes]

but like

the fake guilty

means I lied

about a guilty

so I lied

Right, and you are realistically the proper lynch today. Do I want that this second? Nope.

[Aristophanes]

why tho

Cause ari posts are scummy

ur scummy!

[Aristophanes]

But we aren’t talking about rl

Damn!

I guess you pass then.

[Aristophanes]

We actually all got the games we wanted FB! It was a nice group agreement

And what would you like me to say? I haven't done enough to point at posts and say "This is town me" and even if I had that kind of selfmeta bullshit would never fly.
I literally can ony defend myself with that fact and go scumhunt! I have done the former and am working on the latter.

Let me show you I am town so I can stop making this dumb argument, ya?

Ninja'd
Oh lol FB voted me
I'm shaking on my boots XD

[Aristophanes]

Are you getting real time help?

What, from my team?



Have you seen the size of this game?
They haven't read shit and I haven't read theirs!

Like, They have no reads and the only comments they've had are the snark aimed at Cheeto!

All of my posts are solely mine.

[Aristophanes]

Well I can’t see scum being anyone besides Aristophanes
Maybe unabomeh

why not Kmd? :<

Because he isn’t scumstophanes

Wait does scumari work better or scumstophanes

Need input ari

I tend to agree with Ginngie here.

Ariscumphanes, Scumari, Scumistophanes (the "i" makes it flow), or just Ariscum (though possible dirty connotations come with that) are all acceptable I'd say.

These are listed in order of favourites of mine.

[Aristophanes]

So Ginngie/Firebringer/Aristophanes/Chara are the ones leading the conversation atm.

I have no idea which of you could be scum.

Why do you assume Scum is leading the conversation?

[Aristophanes]

Ari

, why so generally active on site but not here?

Bad habit of being social before playing and whatnot.

Time to read up again methinks!

[Aristophanes]

Nvm I guess we're still massclaiming because Chara isn't the only person who can make me feel guilty. Aristophanes and then Una.

I can at any point, just confirm you want that

[Aristophanes]

Ari, why can't you play like this as scum? you said that earlier.

In theory I suppose I could, however this is not how I ay as scum.

When I'm scum I play in fear. I don't comment in the thread because things are working and I kniw I'll screw it up. When things aren't working I assume its hopeless and rhus also don't post. I can't fake reads for shit and I don't rib with people because it all sounds fake! That's why, as scum, my most active time is RVS. Because nobody is playing an alignment yet really and I can have some fun before fear and death settle in!

Compare that with my play here. I have been sparse, but providing content when I can, including reads and pokes at people for more. I have been ribbing with people and having some fun. It's simply and unfakably my town game!

Also, I never choose scum here.

[Aristophanes]

Can you really say you've tried to push anyone as scum this game?

I don't remember, but I thought I had...

If not, I at least defended townreads (even if they were wrong)

[Aristophanes]

wow, that sure isn't suspicious.

I think there's a chance we force scum to make a fake-claim with this route.

Counterintuitive...

I am intrigued!

[Aristophanes]

I didn't claim because I hadnt been officially asked.

Vt

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol a wagon.

I'm only ~12 pages behind so Ill see what this is about soon!
Inb4 lurking.

[Aristophanes]

Mad props to Cheet for passing the time by scumhunting.

Ari, it's ok to confess at this point. Mulch and cabd let you down, people will understand.

Patrick, I am not scum. Lemme read up and see what I can do before stinging me up, eh?
What happened to the townlean from before?

[Aristophanes]

Also, Trans!Slot is town for sure after their constant attacks, yes? I don't think that was Scum Theatre.

Ginngie, why are you getting worked up?

Today we lynch Tor. If somehow he was town, we lynch you. If you then are also town, Eddie eats rope.

One of you three is scum, prolly Tor atm.

Why get worked up like this? lol

Kind of feel like this analysis is shallow too given his stance on Eddieslot.
Really the whole stance doesn't really make sense too?
Why does he think Eddie makes sense as a third lynch?

Interactions at the time pointed to Eddie as the strongest possibility. If Ginngie was town Eddie pushing and propagating a narrative to get both lynched made sense from a final scum trying to capitalize on as many mislynches as possible.

That was where my logic came from.

[Aristophanes]

Interactions at the time pointed to Eddie as the strongest possibility. If Ginngie was town Eddie pushing and propagating a narrative to get both lynched made sense from a final scum trying to capitalize on as many mislynches as possible.

That was where my logic came from.

And so that just completely torpedo-ed your stance on Transcend vs Mulch?

Holy shit I forgot they replaced them

I mean, it did, but because I forgot they were the same person.
I'm such a dumbass! XD

[Aristophanes]

Patrick, I am not scum. Lemme read up and see what I can do before stinging me up, eh?

What's the timeline on this?

Today for sure. Probably starting ~2:30.

I'm only in surface chat mode atm.

[Aristophanes]

Bored. Annoyed. She seems EXACTLY like the kind of player who would act based on those emotions as scum.

You say this but you can’t prove it

This feels scummy to me.

Does this feel scummy to anyone else?

I should Iso Ginngie...

[Aristophanes]

I mean, this doesnt make sense. Scum obviously claimed VT here.

[Aristophanes]

Mountainous is usually 11:2 right?

15:3 gives scum a big advantage number-wise.

I do love red herring setups tho and will be pleased if this turns out to be one!

[Aristophanes]

I mean, this doesnt make sense. Scum obviously claimed VT here.

well.... yes.
what, should they claim goon instead?

I MEAN that it's probably not the single other player who claimed spmething other than VT!

sorry, still laughing.

Yeah yeah, get it all out

Ya done yet?

Nope?

Okay, I'll be right here when you stop.

[Aristophanes]

Wait did scum no kill night 1 to fake doc?
Or is that just another sign it’s aristo and Cabd and they just didn’t submit?

I don't no kill.

And why simulate a Doc? To what end?
Bait a claim I guess??

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Sneakpeak on Cabd's rolePM

You know that this game is unbalanced.

Nice one Cheeto!

[Aristophanes]

Mountainous is usually 11:2 right?

15:3 gives scum a big advantage number-wise.

I do love red herring setups tho and will be pleased if this turns out to be one!

i know you do Ari. i know you do.

<3

I wanna see Ari Iso dive me

Also wanna see it live

I dont want a big ole case cuz lol!teammates

Yo I wpuld totally do a live ISO video! However it would be like an hour long and mostly me getting frustrated and yelling at the screen or bored and getting another drink.

I doubt anyone wants to see that in reality

[Aristophanes]

pedit: i believe Ginngie meant an ISO in several posts so it's obvious you did it, and not a large case compiled by your team.

Ooooooh!

Yeah I suppose I can do that

I know you read me better live than in stagnation, Ginngie, so it makes sense!

[Aristophanes]

i

still

bring up that damned setup that stopped us from being able to lynch obvscum as a reason for why assuming anything is pointless a lot of the time. and also why i hate setup spec.
and massclaim. :v

=D

I feel famous!!!

Sorry for scarring you tho

[Aristophanes]

I'm at Ari/Imp/Una tbh

lol implosion has 3 scumreads and there is only one scum

Having multiple scumreads is fine...

I dont get the problem with this FB

[Aristophanes]

Fb/ginngie

[Aristophanes]

Oh I'm a dumbass

Ninkad
No I was addtessing them and just realized they were both Ginngie posts.

I'm literally an idiot okay!

[Aristophanes]

Cheet, I had no laptop access (well, I did but apparently I can't access Mac's wifi anymore) so I continued with surface level posting. I have now developed a huge headache and thus am tabling this for tomorrow evening. I know, excuses and no follow up are my scumgame markers to a T, but gimme a day before you string me up for it.

Of I never follow through I am obvscum. When I do follow through you'll see I'm just not all here.

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes:

do you specifically not enjoy scum/enjoy town significantly more than scum, or do you just consider yourself bad at scum?

I actually always get really excited when I get a scum PM!

Then the game starts...

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes:

do you specifically not enjoy scum/enjoy town significantly more than scum, or do you just consider yourself bad at scum?

I actually always get really excited when I get a scum PM!

Then the game starts...

okay well i have to say of all the responses you could possibly have given this is probably the single most indicative of scum.

Just being honest

[Aristophanes]

any response to 4060/4062?

lol didn't read those!

I would never compromise my team as a challenge! I would take town as I am stronger there.

This is what I would do for my team!

[Aristophanes]

Chara gets me!

I'll be honest on that my scumread here is based on D1 shit and no rerwad so...

[Aristophanes]

<3

you are a good man Implo!

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes I expect stuff from you tomorrow

I intend to deliver! Just later in the day

[Aristophanes]

I'm here

Time to do some reading and do this!

[Aristophanes]

lmfao that timing!

Love you Implo

[Aristophanes]

If we go with this townblock and we miss a scum today, you have scum in that block.

???
Why?

It's like..a very simple choice for today that flips scum, or the last scum is actually on a high-ishly townread slot.

Just a hunch I got.

Yeah, this makes no sense as a logic leap I hope you know...

[Aristophanes]

I just read pages 143-150 and it all looks useless to me. All seemingly town going after town, and Spiffeh getting prodded then going V/LA and supporting a massclaim.

Going to bed if my wisdom teeth will let me.

[Aristophanes]

wisdom teeth?

Ari was complaining of it. i assume he had them removed. i also did somewhat recently, and the dentist screwed up. was not especially fun and the pain was very distracting.

They have been growing out for years, but they just started hitting nerves, causing a fucktonne of pressure, and headaches galore! I'm gonna get them out soon but until then they are distracting in everything I do.

Cheet, I was talking about those who commented in those pages. You, una, ginngie, uhh...kmd and fb, even Chara. All seemed towny enough and seemed to be trying to advance things. But with 1 scum it seems like we are going to make a couple mislynches before we get the final one. It just seems like the criticisms are mostly townreads on townreads.

[Aristophanes]

so who are you scumreading/hard townreading, Ari?

Lemme look at this tn. I should have lots of time!

My town list rn is {Cheet, KMD, Una, Chara, Ginngie, Firebringer} roughly in that order

Patrick is probably town too but I haven't done my due diligence there

Leaving Ari and implosion

I'll try to actually for real ISO-dive Ari for associations with Mulch/Cabd and read what I missed today later on

I meam, Mulch/me associations are abundant nut that'sjust because I suck at mafia.

Otherwise this is pretty solid actually, but my gut keeps saying you are scum for some reason.
Pending reread of course.

[Aristophanes]

So that catch up lol

Gah!

[Aristophanes]

Spiffeh Iso done (well, the latter half mostly skimmed, but the parts when his scumteam was alive were actually read.)

I'm pretty sure this is the last scum guys.

[Aristophanes]

and?

So VOTE: Spiffeh I guess?

Pending further reading but it feels right.

[Aristophanes]

also Ari, you really must explain why Spiffeh feels right for scum. :<
or i can't

not

lynch you.

Can I do this Monday?

[Aristophanes]

Uggh just gimme a few more hours! I know we are on limited time but I forgot I had a Scout thing today and have to be at a hockey game. I'm not even big on hockey!

I think I have something on Spiffeh tho. I kust need to break it down.

[Aristophanes]

Ari has an hour to make a post explaining his spiff thoughts.

Cool, just got home.

[Aristophanes]

On Spiffeh:

First post is "I'm town" which is a classic scum opening. I see it far less from town than scum.
Cabd vote was hot shit and good early distancing. Never actually mentions Cabd but doubles down on the vote as serious with no explanation. This is because he knows Cabd is town and doesn't need to make an argument.
Continued shit flinging at the hyperposters and newer joindates so he doesn't have to sort them but has an excuse to vote them later.
574 - shitflinging and criticisms for actually playing the game? Only scum want inactivity and town to stop thinking.

My vote on Cabd is not policy

This is what *I referenced earlier. He quotes 447 as his evidence but it is meh. It feels more like forced justification, and I don't think it, as a sole reason, is enough to vote Cabd. And the problem with that is that it is a good distancing vote that will never convince anyone but still make you look good! Very scum. Much wow.

I'm posting this now but I've only just started. I just want you to know I am here because of Cheet's deadline and such.

[Aristophanes]

Ari if I see you make one more post somewhere that isn't here I'm giving Ginngie the hammer.

ARI GO MAKE ANOTHER POST


I NEEEED THIS

I saw this in my ninjae XD
I'm sorry, I had to settle in and it's not like I have been at a computer all day!
I couldn't do an Isodive breakdown from my phone at a hockey game!

Like fuck man if this is your towngame then you really should have replaced out if you're that unable to focus on the game for literally a single hour.

I'm sorry my life is a big ball of confusion right now. I am here and doing this. I was going to be a lot more loud in this response but you're right. That's why I'm here now.

[Aristophanes]

As for general reads btw, Spiffeh Scum.
Chara and ginngie lean-ish scum but I've come mostly okay with them.
KMD and Implo were my questionmarks that Gamma towmreads.
Also gamma said you peopleare a bunch of comedians, so whatever you're doing, I guess it's pretty funny!
The rest are pretty solidly town.

[Aristophanes]

kek

Don't tell him. I want his thoughts anyway.

???

[Aristophanes]

The only compelling reason for lynching anyone has been a post about Cabd lmao

The only mention of Cabd since the last one. It feels like a fake push, like he doesn't want to justify it.

[Aristophanes]

Tell Gamma thanks for not helping you get into the game and only make a single comment that made your slot even worse looking.

He helped me read KMD and Implo so he is also helping a lot!

[Aristophanes]

Ari if all of your remaining posts are going to find bad reasons to paint me in a negative light then don't bother posting anymore

I was asked to case you! Thus I am.

[Aristophanes]

I was hammered wasn't I...

[Aristophanes]

Fuckin' eh.

I am town. Just FYI

[Aristophanes]

I remember when this game actually felt fun.

p-edit: yup.

Nope

[Aristophanes]

(Kidding, I <3 u all! This has just been grueling. I blame Mulch )

[Aristophanes]

As for general reads btw, Spiffeh Scum.
Chara and ginngie lean-ish scum but I've come mostly okay with them.
KMD and Implo were my questionmarks that Gamma towmreads.
Also gamma said you peopleare a bunch of comedians, so whatever you're doing, I guess it's pretty funny!
The rest are pretty solidly town.

Acual readslist here btw. The only other light questionmark in the townset is Una but I think they're good.

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]