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[havingfitz]

Good evening.

I'm town. Will catch up tomorrow zzzzzz.

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

Through page 20.
Not taking notes so resulting summary/reads are going to be from memory and gut.

Also Trans...who are you calling Boon?

[havingfitz]

Read through was on phone so no notes for huge laundry list of comments and questions.

Summary of my view towards the game:

I started off the first part of the game, before Hawk's Miller claim, liking Frogger and Mulch the most. My suspicions were primarily towards Hawk, Smoc and Gamma. Everyone else null/tbd.

Over the last 3rd of the game I've started to question my townleans on Transcend and Mulch. I'm a town lean on Chara and Antihero. Probably the two players I want to looks at the closest are 2mil and Flavor.

Here's where I'm at on each player:

havingfitz (TheYankeeReaper)- Town. Not sure what the push on my predecessor was for. Not sure if he was perceived as an easy lynch or what but not liking any of the support his wagon has received.

Chara - I both late the the game which I did not care for but overall I have liked his posts and this is a town lean for me.

Fro99er - Town read for me. I do not recall if I've ever played with scum Frogger before but I have played with town Frogger before and this feel like that to me. Probably my strongest town read. Liked his research into Hawk's miller past which is one of the main reasons I don't end this post with a vote on Hawk.

Antihero (Locke113) - Locke didn't really do anything. I don't recall liking his entrance in to the game very much...but I've liked what little bit of content I've seen from Anti so far. Town lean.

James Brafin - I didn't like James' entrance in to the game and he was heading for my scum pool. However the more I got into the game the more his posts started to feel like they were coming from town. ATP he's a town read for me.

Flavor Leaf - I liked Flavor Leaf in the beginning of the game but similar to my read on James...the further we got into D1 the less I found myself liking this slot. Not disliking enough to call a scum lean though. One I need to have a closer look at.

TwoInAMillion - The opposite of my Flavor Leaf progression with the same conclusion.

Creature - An non-factor so far in this game. Not sure what in the world Transcend is reading as town in Creature's early posting. Doesn't feel like the Creature I am used to playing with. Slight scum lean for now.

Gamma Emerald - I haven't cared for Gamma's play at any point in the game. Probably my strongest scum suspect.

Transcend - I keep going back and forth on Transcend. Kind of like he keeps doing on my wagon. If I'm right on my James read then Transcend drops further down in my reads estimation. Probably my weakest scum read for now.

Smocaine - I haven't cared for Smoc's play at any point in the game. Probably my 2nd strongest scum suspect.

Mulch- I liked Mulch early on and thought great...someone for my townpile to POE others with but the further the day has gone the less I have liked him. He has consistently pushed my slot for most of the day for reasons I do not recall. Also not a fan of his presence on the James, 2mil and Hawk wagons.

Hawk - I did not like Hawk's play up to his miller claim. I do not like millers and do not think he should make it to the latter stages of the game. His easy willingness to vote this slot is annoying. Not sure if it's self-preservation from scum or town. His posts do not feel like the Hawk I recall. Even with the miller claim I think this is a slight scum lean.


@Transcend....what about Creature's early posts were you townreading?

Also...not sure who said Hawk would probably be night killed (I think it was Transcend?)...but Transcend...why would scum (assuming Hawk is town miller) bother night killing Hawk when he has played suspect and his claim is not anything that can be reasonably proven.


So...not considering Chara, Frogger, Antihero or James for a vote any time soon.

Players I need to get a better read on are Flavor, 2mil, Transcend and Mulch.

Players I would vote are Gamma, Smoc, Creature and Hawk.

Ok....all caught up other than deeper dives I mentioned.

VOTE: Gamma

[havingfitz]

No... Why? Is that an insult lol....

[havingfitz]

My predecessor :/

[havingfitz]

My BS sensor was going crazy here but then I remembered something about the game that what causing it

, but I still think there's issues here

What are you talking about.

fitz, I want you to seriously analyze how Hawk has been playing and tell me if he's scum based on what he's been doing after his miller claim

I dont recall anything after his claim making me feel better about the slot. In fact..all I seem to recall is thinking Hawk disappeared a bit.

Also fitz doesn't like to hardbus so I think there's a scum in his suspects other than me, for now that person is most likely Creature but I'll look at the others if that flips town

True.
I would be amazed if there wasn't at least 1 scum on my wagon. Hoping at least 2.
I guarantee I will be doing zero bussing this game.

[havingfitz]

Yank is at l-2. Guys, you should be announcing this...

Why didn't you say anything when you put Yankee (moi) at L-1 5-6 pages before this?

Who are your current top 2-3 suspects in addition to Transcend?

[havingfitz]

I need motivation first.

Not being replaced? Or lynched? Helping town find scum?

[havingfitz]

Are you confirming my question or asking it back to me?

I've voted and posted who I suspect.

Maybe you could do the same

[havingfitz]

Closer look.

Spoiler: TIAM ISO:

Starts game off with a vote on TYR for "dumb voting reason". For what I assume is a TYR RVS vote. ?

77 unnecessary snark.
98 Good posting for this point of the game.
101 Agreed.
136 Agreed.
204 Comes out strong against believing Hawk's miller claim. Fair point.
206 Calls Mulch conftown based on Hawk being scum. Not sure I see that logic.

Why is Mulch conftown if Hawk is scum? Are the others voting Hawk conftown? What is Hawk is telling the truth? Does your Mulch read change?

238 doesn't believe Hawk's ignorance of the miller role. ok.
281 makes baseless assertion that Hawk has been in a miller game before. Later calls it a guess when pressed by Frogger. Not ok.
Several bleh/useless posts.
381 Agreed with assessment on Hawk's ability.
410 Agreed.
440 Calls out Transcend a bit for his lol/fakeclaim. ok
609 Calls a scum team of Hawk/Lock(Anti)/Creature. ohhh k.
627 Less than 2 hours later is accusing Flavor of OMGUS and votes Flavor (for not having a reason to vote him). Defends Flavor vote out of scum team by saying the scum team he called out might not all be scum.
*665 A very questionable compromise vote on TYR. Joining two people (Trans + Hawk) he has voted/shaded on the wagon.
701 Posts his reads on everyone. TYR and Flavor have bumped Creature and Lock out of his top 3 suspects.
709 Encourages James to vote TYR. bad.
766 Parks vote on Flavor for rest of D1. meh. Better than voting me and the other main wagon atp is James...who we both townread. So that's good.
779..not seeing any AtE here by Flavor.
783...not an unfair description of Flavor's play.
809...who else is scum reading Flavor?
872 and 878...disparages the Yankee wagon. Good. Yes...people bus and people distance but he could have easily just avoided the subject of the Yankee wagon. Good.

Summary...not sure how much benefit a D1 ISO will bring but for now nothing jumps out as especially scummy from TIAM; whereas a few things he did not need to do have me leaning town on this slot.

[havingfitz]

like i'm not really sure why you wanted my feedback on

12 NAI creature posts

Ok this might be town creature

I lean towned his early posts

before he went absent.

@Transcend....what about Creature's early posts were you townreading?

[havingfitz]

Why is it bad to encourage a vote on my scum read?

Because you were encouraging him to vote town.

[havingfitz]

^ my role pm.

[havingfitz]

^ my role pm.

Right, well you would say that regardless. So calling me "bad" for encouraging a vote on your predecessor doesn't mean much.

The ISO is fmpov. Which is votes on me are bad.

[havingfitz]

A) Because I thought it took 8 to lynch, not 7. My bad.

So you thought you were putting me at L-2? Question still applies. Why not announce it like you lamented others not doing?

[havingfitz]

Why do you join games Creature? Lynching town!you is NAI for your wagon and you do your team (town or scum) a disservice. smh...

[havingfitz]

votes on you are not bad if you say votes on you are bad because you are town. That is circular reasoning.

If you like to recive votes that's your prerogative.

I consider votes on me bad (regardless of my alignment) and that how I viewed you encouring votes on me.

If you want to iso yourself and call it good...feel free.

[havingfitz]

gamma literally doesn't appear in Fitz's ISO aside from 918 and 924 (where he just responds to gamma, but there's no push)

lol...you mean like..."literally" only twice! in my ISO for the grand total of 18 posts over 2 days I have been part of this game?

You mean I haven't been pushing a D1 gut read on someone I have no concrete knowledge of being scum? Because I've been trying to sort out the players I don't have a good feel for one way or the other? Like TIAM? Or Flavor who I am working on currently?

Brilliant frogger. /jk

I'm town. If I'm the self preservation lynch that bad town or scum want to try for today whatever. I'll look over the other players while I am here and town can do with the info what they want.

[havingfitz]

Another closer look -

Spoiler: Flavor ISO:

79...Starts game off with a vote on James for not recalling where he's seen him before. I assume this is an RVS vote.
81..a little contact with TIAM out of nowhere.
128...this is a misrep from what TIAM was getting at but what TIAM was getting at was ambiguous enough to make the misrep innocent IMO.
133...Flavor and TIAM starting to go at it a bit. I think the who 1v1 at this point is based on misunderstandings. So far.
146...what I said. Fair point.
150...why wouldn't the Smoc "perspective slip" also confirm TIAM as town (if Smoc is scum)?
151...a fair point whether I agree with it or not.
385 and 489 just excusing lack of content. meh
491

@Flavor...did you go back and check on this? If so...did you find anything of interest? What is your current read on Gamma?

565...

how had Transcend "been on a roll?" Are you saying you were contemplating sheeping Transcend on James?

575...likes his vote on Smoc but would hammer Hawk. (can't disagree with either of these sentiments att).
578...says he would lynch a town read D1 just to progress the game. bad
580...scumreading himself.
628...not a fan of this. TIAM had obviously been stating things about you he was finding suspect. bad
The TIAM Flavor exchange about being available to post and posting etc is zzzzzzzzzzzz
634...not sure I would be supporting my suspicions towards others with comments Gamma is making but at least you are pointing out a little Gamma shading on TIAM.
635...the Flavor anger seems a bit townish to me. Also a little overblown considering TIAM is the only person who has thrown a vote (and suspicions?) Flavor's way.
775...TBD
Lots of posting about giving this game more time and not liking playing with certain players. zzzzzz
OMG the Flavor TIAM back and forth. ffs
915...more activity promises.
Almost due a prod.

Summary...the slightest lean town. His frustration/anger with TIAM feels genuine. A little over defensive given the amount of suspicion he has received...which isn't good. But still a slight tr on him. Lot's of promises for more activity. He needs to do more scumhunting vs being on the OMGUS voting defensive. If you don't have time you could always follow through on the replace out you mention. Not a good late game candidate.

@Flavor...do you still suspect Smoc? And if so...for anything beyond the "perspective slip"?

[havingfitz]

Fun fact: me and Smoke are fitz's two strongest suspicions yet all he can say on it is "I haven't cared for their posting all game". That's bullshit, lynch him.

You've never bothered asking me why I voted you but you'll call me out for not presenting a detailed case?

Why ask Fro99er but not me? Dies his ~naked vote make him scummy?

What about others who have voted you? Were their reasons good enough for you?

Obtw...you're my next ISO. It will either end with my reasons or me voting elsewhere.

[havingfitz]

Transcend and Froggy: didn't explain :shrug:
And your vote wasn't naked, you just didn't explain it.

This is more BS then my vote is.
I didn't explain my vote but it's not naked.
Trascend and Fro99er didn't explain and they get :shrug: while I get "lynch him"....lol.

[havingfitz]

Another closer look -

Spoiler: Gamma ISO:

7...RVS vote on Yankee.
8 fluff posts.
53...wants to know why Yankee voted Smocaine (why?)
74...unvotes because L-2. Not because no suspicion towards Yankee. Decent unvote that could be for town cred.
89...questions Hawk for calling a Smoc post a townslip. good I guess
161...angry at Smoc for misreading Flavor?
181...good post. NAI but good.
182...though townreading him, questions Smoc scum reading him.
182...joins Hawk on the Yankee wagon (for piss poor reasoning) while at the same time supporting scum!Hawk theory. (So why join Hawk on Yankee?)...which Transcend calls him on.
302...votes TIAM for being "posturey".
350...explains his reads to Hawk. Yankee WAS scummier....but now more confident in scum!TIAM. Calls Hawk town.
380...getting a little defensive of James posts towards Smoc. Votes James. <insert chainsaw noise>
A defensive poorly explained exchange with the Fro99er slot.
400...Who cares?
413...the fourth post in a row where he discusses/defends his townread on Smoc.
429...questions why the Fro99er slot would be voted for lying. I would say it depends on the lie. To blanket statement this opinion seems bad.
498...says Hawk has been too erratic to be scum.
503...corrects Transcend on something he (Transcend) said regarding Hawk.
514...Answers Mulch question posed to the Fro99er slot.

Gamma, who are you referring to when you say "he made a mistake?" The Fro99er slot or Transcend?

527...says he can figure out Creature in a few more irl days.
613...says Yankee failed at trying to be obvtown.
621...weak shade on TIAM.
654...comes to the defense of Flavor a bit.
667...while maintaining the lone vote on James, says he would vote Yankee right now if he wasn't trying to sort Creature. Creature who has no votes at this point.
842...questions TIAM on having Hawk as suspect in his reads list. Consistent.
844...townreading Locke (off content...not replace out).
846...seems to be coming to the defense of Flavor.
847...defends Flavor some more. Says Antihero is different than he was in Walking Dead S2E2.

What alignment was Antihero in that game?

851...tells Transcend he would support Yankee or James wagons. Votes Yankee in his next post.
867...gives his reads.
886...says he might hold off worrying about TIAM until D3. Good to know you will both still be here.
923...responds to my catch up asking me to clarify my read on Hawk. Mentions I tend not to hardbus. No question as to why I am voting him (Gamma).
927...FOSs his null read Mulch for saying "So now what"...lol.
946...asking Mulch to explain his Gamma vote calling it an overreaction.
1030...unFOSs Mulch and asks Transcend why he voted him (Gamma) instead of Creature or James (why not me who you are currently voting and who Transcend was voting most recently?)
1047...asks the Fro99er slot why he voted him (Gamma).
1049...says I should be lynched for my reason on voting him...."not having cared for his posting all game". This despite not asking me to clarify my reason for voting him and not stating the same sentiments towards Mulch, Transcend and the Fro99er slot.
1053...decent response to my questions.

Summary - On closer review I do not dislike Gamma's posting as much as I did after my initial browse through the game. I'm second guessing my initial gut scum read on him. bleh.

Says he suspects the Yankee slot "somewhat" in 192 and re-votes Yankee. Not sure he has expressed any other suspicions towards the Yankee slot he is "somewhat" suspicious of but has maintained a vote there most of D1.

So Gamma...are your suspicions toward Yankee (me) still centered around his unexplained vote on Smoc on page 2?

UNVOTE:

Still leery of Gamma but want to look closer at Smoc. Also...Creature would be a good vote as well IMO. His contribution this game feels off to me and, while not overposting anywhere afaict, he is at least posting in other areas of MS. And what he has contribute when he has posted here has been pretty useless. I do not recall him being totally useless as town.

[havingfitz]

like i'm not really sure why you wanted my feedback on

12 NAI creature posts

Ok this might be town creature

I lean towned his early posts

before he went absent.

@Transcend....what about Creature's early posts were you townreading?

[havingfitz]

Another closer look -

Spoiler: Smocaine ISO:

5...RVS vote on Mulch.
fluffx4
18...asks Creature somewhat out of the blue if he (Creature) is suggesting people lynch Gamma. hmm
fluffx5
49...calls Yankee's switch from Gamma to Smoc on page two an odd progression.

You never answered Yankee's question on how switching from Gamma to you was an "odd progression". Why was it odd?

56...offers Hawk and explanation of his (Smoc's) exchange with Mulch. Says he likes the Mulch vote on Yankee.
60...says he is offended and votes Yankee.

What were you offended about Smoc?

TIAM tangent... 66...what reason did Yankee give that was "dumb"...he asked you as well and you deflected.

Back to Smoc:

67...why do you say this post was in the wrong thread and why is Yankee "confscum"... now? For his switch from Gamma to you without giving a reason?
79...no idea how Smoc is concluding that TIAM is town here.
83...tells Hawk he is sure that Creature is scum. EBWOP Creature is TOWN.

How would you know based on 11 posts of fluff and 1 post that says no one looks like a good vote.

123...fighting urge to sheep Transcend (who is voting Hawk at this point).
124...

how were you "shading GE" when Yankee voted you? You had said "Fite me" and asked Creature if he was requesting a Gamma lynch"....where is there shade there?

130...says Flavor's 128 was bad. Because it was a "False interpretation." I can see how FL could be mistaken. This FL shade is bad.
162...explains to Gamma how FL is overreacting to Smoc calling out his (FL's) TIAM mistake.
164...fair observation imo wrt Flavor Leaf's reactions to Smoc's comments..
175...says he is never voting or nk'ing Fro99er. No reason given.
178...says Hawk is pretty scummy. The same Hawk who is the only other person along with Smoc who is voting Yankee. smh....
180...Decides he thinks Gamma is scum and places lone vote on him in his next post. Not Hawk who has four votes at this point and was just deemed "pretty scummy" in Smoc's previous post.
358...intersting observation by Smoc wrt yankee's Post 54. If I didn't know Yankee was town (i.e. me) I would say it wasn't a terrible hypothesis. Also not sure it's something I would know to look for unless I was scum looking for a traitor or a traitor who was trying to signal scum with the observation to being with.

Traitor tangent...I don't feel like looking this up mid-ISO....do mafia typically know when (not who of course) there is a traitor in the game?

Back to Smoc:

368...gives Mulch some flack for townreading so many players. "Not necessarily scum but grodders"
375...offers to help Mulch lynch Transcend. Talk is cheap.
379...says he would feel bad mislynching TIAM D1. hmm
649...agrees with transcend that TIAM is town.
657...joins Mulch on Yankee for no stated reason. Until next post....voting Yankee for early suspicions and for OMGUS.
684...

if there is a reason for Trans being scum "trust me it's there"...why not share it? Or push it?

668...shade on Creature for being "popping in to contest GE".
720...hypoclaims actions on Mulch. meh
721..."what were the "reasons given" again for voting Yankee early game?
758...says he would rather lynch Yankee or Transcend. >:/
762...asks Transcend if he would be willing to vote Creature.
1033...calls Transcend vote on Gamma a scumclaim. ???
Impaired rambling.
Done.

Summary - I don't like Smoc any less after reading his ISO. All of his votes are amazingly light on any substance that I can see. I get the feeling there is a connection between Smoc and Gamma but not sure if it is scum partners or not. Based on their two ISOs though I am more inclined to vote Smoc than put a vote back on Gamma (though I would still support Gamma if the alternative was a no lynch or one of my current town reads.

VOTE: Smocaine

[havingfitz]

like i'm not really sure why you wanted my feedback on

12 NAI creature posts

Ok this might be town creature

I lean towned his early posts

before he went absent.

@Transcend....what about Creature's early posts were you townreading?

[havingfitz]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

[havingfitz]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

what makes you say that?

are YOU scumreading flavor now?

I was guessing who I thought YOU might have investigated (if you did). Not who I was suspecting. And I do suspect Flavor more today than I did yesterday.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: fitz

And I do suspect Flavor more today than I did yesterday.

Why?

I didn't care for his hammer so he is more suspect imo than he was yesterday.

I'm town btw. Please remove your head from your posterior and look for scum if you're town.

TIAM...that hop on me following fro99er was bad.

[havingfitz]

Please remove your head from your posterior and look for scum if you're town.

yeah don't talk to me like this

I wasn't quoting someone else

[havingfitz]

I didn't care for his hammer so he is more suspect imo than he was yesterday.

as anti said

the hammer is completely null.

FL does that all the time as both alignments

You asked why. You don't have to agree with my answer. It's why I suspect him more than I did yesterday. It's not necessarily a guaranteed indictment on him.

So ~scum can coast a mislynch just by announcing intent to hammer? smh...

Why am I scummy?

Why did scum leave a vanilla cop alive who was being widely townread?

[havingfitz]

I am always suspicious of anyone who self metas.

ha

[havingfitz]

You asked why. You don't have to agree with my answer. It's why I suspect him more than I did yesterday. It's not necessarily a guaranteed indictment on him.

ok

i wasn't telling you to agree w me i was rly just asking if that piece of information changes your perception of him at all

This response was to Fro99er...not you.

[havingfitz]

come on fitz, you know better than that. nobody implied we're letting FL coast off a hammer.

I said I suspected FL today more than I did yesterday because of his hammer.
You said his hammer was NAI.
That tells me you are not even considering his hammer on the Smoc mislynch. I disagree...all the votes on Smoc are worth consideration to some degree. And I lean against giving null or towncred for it.

[havingfitz]

LIES FITZ


it's like you know I'm town.

What LIES? Me saying you were "widely regarded as town?" That's my opinion based on how I recalled D1 going. What is the defacto proper definition of "widely" that can be characterized as a lie if it's not validated? I.e. "LIES" my ass.

[havingfitz]

if we're gonna wait for creature it's gonna be like 2 days at least anti

ok, then i will out when creature checks in on MS regardless of if he posts in this thread or not

looks like he logs on p much every day so i expect to get this train rolling soon

Love when scum kills my nullreads.

[havingfitz]

I'm not scum. Fro99er apparently is either scum or hasheadinass.

BS Creature...lurk away from this game the entire game and then put down a lazyfing mislynch vote 6 minutes into the day opening.

Time for zzzzzz

No lynches overnight please unless it's someone I scum read or someone voting me.

[havingfitz]

so you're

making up crap

Apparently you do not have a problem with this.

yeah

Hawk is scum

but I don't want to lynch yet until the others actually play.

You are not alone in thinking Hawk was suspect.

eh fuck it

@Mod

Vanilla Cop: Hawk

Mod PM'd me the result.

Hawk is *NOT VANILLA*

Not sure this result confirms anything wrt Hawk but I feel this result deflected people from considering him as the D1 lynch. It clouded people’s view of Hawk. It helped Hawk...who you thought was scum before your ~“VT Cop” action.

I think James was just easily impressionable by Froggy pushing the transcend slip. Maybe he sees Froggy as high status.

Hawk is a shit lynch

especially because he's not vanilla

Fitz is definitely scum

I'm assuming Anti dies tonight so I'll full claim

I get another day shot tomorrow (odd day vanilla cop)

gonna vote mulch after fitz, chara, and FL check in

Why am I scum?

I'm going to vanilla cop fitz tomorrow to confirm/deny this traitor thing

So why not do this?

also I'm VT

This is why. So all previous quotes are just you

making up crap

.

VOTE: Fro99er

I've literally never talked about who I'd kill as either alignment

FWIW if I was scum I would have killed anti

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

VOTE: Fro99er

What is your case on me again? I seem scummy? Because I didn’t mention Gamma enough times when I determined I found him scummy? BS.

VOTE: Fro99er

[havingfitz]

I'm at L-1 btw.

Any town on my wagon please unvote.

This day's not even 12 hours old yet and a quick mislynch does town no good. Even if it does have 2 to spare.

[havingfitz]

Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

[havingfitz]

(I was part of the NRG)

NRG?
Not Really Good?
No Right Guesses?
Needs Remediation Group?

[havingfitz]

UNVOTE: because I think this

Fro99er apparently

is either scum or

hasheadinass.

is more likely than scum.

No reads till I read stuff.

Also...town unvote me okthx.

[havingfitz]

Question for town to ponder.

If Mulch knew who the two scum were...and his wincon included that at least ONE of the non-traitor scum survive...why try so hard to get Yankee lynched? Mulch was on this slot most of D1 to include a short stint at L-1 and 3 stints at L-2. Answer: I'm not scum

[havingfitz]

1:Creature- Easy read
2:Mulch- Easy read
3:Fro99er- Hard read
4:Transcend- Hard read
5:Flavor Leaf- Hard read
6:TheYankeeReaper- Null read
7:James Brafin- Null read
8:Locke113- Null read
9:Hawk- Null read
10:Gamma Emerald- Null read
11:Smocaine- Null read
12:TwoInAMillion- Null read
13:Chara- Easy read

Possible pg 2 hint from Mulch. Only 3 "Easy read" reads given out. To include Mulch. And Chara hadn't even posted at this point.

So Chara + Creature team?

[havingfitz]

I feel like Mulhc was aiming more for Smoc than Yankee d1

He voted Yankee 5 seperate times. Smoc 3 (including rvs).

Pretty sure cumulative time voting Yankee was most D1 for Mulch also. Didn't add it up.

[havingfitz]

that's readability

That's fine. He's still potentially trying to inform the scum he has knowledge of.

[havingfitz]

This looked odd as well:

Hawk mulch creature town

Wanna mason me?

Mason you??

Yes

Maybe Hawk instead of Chara. Or setting Hawk up. Idk.

Id be good voting Creature based on Mulch iso.

[havingfitz]

Gamma...does neighborhood chat influence your reads any?

P.edit. D1..if I have two players I have to have alive to win (1 of)...I'm not continually putting them at L-2 or L-1 on D1.

[havingfitz]

Gamma...what's your read on me?
Thoughts on those voting me if I am town? (which I am).

[havingfitz]

Tiam and Hawk.

So if Creature is a constant vote him with me.

I'm town and his vote on me sucks. Plus the Mulch comments wrt Creature I point out above.

[havingfitz]

I'm feeling like you're probably scum

Based on what? The Yankee two sides of a coin comment? Something else?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Creature

[havingfitz]

Thanks Hawk.

IMO this game fits Creature's scum meta: less engaged, not interested in scum hunting. Along with the Mulch related observations.

[havingfitz]

it doesn't make sense Mulch would use this as a traitor crumb

Oh. Well ok then.

Would you (or anyone ftm) expect a traitor would try and get some sort of signal to the scum team?

[havingfitz]

Frogger isn't scum, not with fitz scum.

No he's not.

Does that change WHEN I flip town IF I'm lynched?

[havingfitz]

Imo I would expect a signal early and only to one member.

So do you see one?

[havingfitz]

i think my favourite fitz attempt at not being lynched is to think that Mulch is bad enough at scum to signal in the thread by subtly announcing his full scumteam.

Given you would be implicated I'm sure it is your "favorite."

You suspect Creature yeah? So vote that wagon. If he flips town I'll accept my fate tomorrow and town will be in mylo. So there'll still be hope.

If my lynch is inevitable I'd prefer it before we're in a mylo situation.

[havingfitz]

game was advertised as 10v3 implying not multiball and the Scum team would have only seen 2 members

Good point.

[havingfitz]

Fitz is grasping at straws here. No reason we should keep him alive "just because".

I'm not grasping at shir. I'm town and would prefer we lynch scum today.

Your presence on my wagin is lazy as he// too. Why are you voting me?

What's your read on Creature?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Creature

Lmfao

This dude is obvscum

Lmao
This fro9 is obvclueless

[havingfitz]

Fuck off

Rude

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Creature

Lmfao

This dude is obvscum

Lmao
This fro9 is obvclueless

Explain yankee’s two sides to the same coin post

Why ask this? I'm not Yankee. I wasn't consulted before he said it. All I know for sure is that Yankee was town.

Maybe he was amused at Mulch's playstyle and thought they were similar in that regard. Idfk.

[havingfitz]

Fuck off

Rude

You started it by calling me clueless

I'm town ergo your pushes on me = clueless. What's the issue?

[havingfitz]

Here's where I'm at wrt this game.

I'm town. Just a plain old VT. If I'm today's lynch it doesn't lose the game for town so I'd rather it be today or tomorrow instead of in mylo. And this isn't AtE...it's stating the obvious.

I think the points that have been made against me are shit.

Mulch showed commitment to a Yankee wagon (whether Yankee was present or not) and from Mulch's pov...losing one of the TWO players he had to have alive at the end of the game on D1 to achieve his wincon would put him in a terrible position. He might get some town cred with a scum flip (which would not have happened) but even if he was considered conf!town (for pushing a mislynch)...his ability to win would hinge entirely on his hypothetically lone remaining partner. So why bring that on yourself if you are Mulch? Mulch might have bussed, but I'm town and the extent of his presence on my wagon should make that at least a determining factor in trying to sort my slot out.

Mulch stayed away from Creature entirely D1 other than to continually call him town (despite Fro99er, Gamma, Hawk and Antihero feeling otherwise) and barely mentioned Chara at all (save for a short 1 vote wagon on him).

If the Mulch reads list does point to Chara and Creature and they both turn out to be scum I'm going to lmao.

Chara plays a good game and is a logical poster. I'm my mind I think he would come across as town regardless of whether he was scum or not. Question for Chara....are you considered good or bad as scum?

And while the Mulch readability list might not point to both his partners...I'm fine with pulling any Chara suspicions for it back a bit. But it is something to think about regardless of Creature's eventual flip.

I'm engaged in other activities on this site that are taking a lot of my bandwidth though so unless anyone has specific questions to me I'd rather not keep expending time in here if it's going to come to nothing.

I'm voting who I (and many of you iirc) think is scum.

[havingfitz]

Lynch noted.

I'm town.

Nice mislynch you pushed Fro99er. Obvclueless.

[havingfitz]

Ah boo.

Good game scum (mvp FL). You had an uphill battle with your partner's scum shortcomings (from what I've heard).

Meh game town (lvp Frogger). Good job Anti copping Mulch. Good game by Chara...no worries on keeping quiet with my role cop results. I would have kept quiet too probably...though perhaps not supported a quicklynch. Lies and blinders didn't do town any favors.
Bleh.

Thanks for modding Srceen!

[havingfitz]

and flavor

Even better. Lol...

[havingfitz]

Good game scum (mvp FL).

Says the guy who had reads even worse than mine

Which of my reads were bad Frogger?

My D1 Gamma scum read which I backed off of after closer review? Something you failed to do with me.
My D1 suspicions towards Creature?
My D1 Smocaine suspicions which you shared?

My D2 Flavor suspicions which you discounted as NAI?

My D3 Creature suspicions when you had him as town?

lol at your reads being any good. You did call FL scum. Considering you voted 10 of the players in this game (9 if we don't count you...but not once Flavor) yeah...you did great. Your D1 lovefest with "Mulchy" was a thing of beauty. Thankfully Anti's guilty on Mulch prevented you from "masoning" away the game with him...lol.

I admit it though...I am a bit snarky when I get a mislynch pushed on me in ~12 hours for sh*t reasoning from someone with blinders on throwing a shit fit in the game (aka tantrum) and repeatedly calling town f*cking idiots when they aren't getting their way. lol...so you got that snarky read spot on.

No hard feelings. It was a fun game while it lasted.

[havingfitz]

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller