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anticipation starts with anti

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I made myself laugh

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Gamma, you may spin the wheel.

RIP

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Fitz is definitely scum

I'm assuming Anti dies tonight so I'll full claim

I get another day shot tomorrow (odd day vanilla cop)


gonna vote mulch after fitz, chara, and FL check in

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@Anti

are you cop or watcher/tracker?

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I'm going to vanilla cop fitz tomorrow to confirm/deny this traitor thing

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Hawk unvote. I want FL's reaction. He'll quick hammer otherwise.

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(and chara's and Fitz's too)

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this setup makes total sense TBH

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miller + traitor + cop + vanilla cop go together well

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so anti would have gotten a "no result" on you if you're ascetic

but they got a guilty.

are you saying anti is lying?

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oh you've admitted scum

cool

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I was legitimately about to come into the day and claim a guilty on someone

yeah I didn't make it to here yet... I was responding to the ascetic crap

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anyway

I don't really care what fitz thinks now. he's scum

VOTE: mulchy I love you see you in the afterlife <3

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do it FL

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also I'm VT

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VOTE: Fitz

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Creature you got anything else for us, or are you just going to lurk the rest of the game out?

creature's town

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I was really hoping today would be 5 posts and done with, but gamma had to go ruin it

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so i had kind of a queasy gut feel on mulch yesterday, he just wasn't pushing good stuff and the smocaine wagon was complete BS that took off bc smocaine just wasn't around at the time

then there's this:

VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I'm wondering if we're two sides on the same coin, Mulch.

^someone else picked up on this post earlier and called it a traitor crumb and when i reviewed the day last night, i kinda latched onto that theory

>54 was out of nowhere and awkward
>smocaine wagon was likely magnet for scum
>all else fails, mulch wouldn't be a bad conftown anyway

so there was p much no downside to investigating mulch

now that i know mulch is scum, i also think fitzslot really is traitor and yankee bungled the crumb

which colors how i see fitz's posting

particularly, this

So...not considering Chara, Frogger, Antihero or James for a vote any time soon.

Players I need to get a better read on are Flavor, 2mil, Transcend and Mulch.

Players I would vote are Gamma, Smoc, Creature and Hawk.

Ok....all caught up other than deeper dives I mentioned.

VOTE: Gamma

True.
I would be amazed if there wasn't at least 1 scum on my wagon. Hoping at least 2.

I guarantee I will be doing zero bussing this game.

my feeling now would be to take fitz at face value here and: gamma, smoc (already green), creature, and hawk really are all town

ok so to review

fitz goes after mulch (frogger can do his thing or whatever but i would be STUNNED if that was rly nothing and i just lucked out on the yankee crumb thing)

other scum is probably in [Chara, Frogger, James, Flavor, 2mil]

from town to scum i'd order that: 2mil > frogger > chara > james > flavor

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half of that case is assuming Yankee was crumbing traitor. we know that's not the case, so antihero's assumption there wasn't correct.
and what does any of that have to do with Creature aside from anti saying Creature is town? i don't see the why.

It was yankee looking for his traitor

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So Chara is fitz’s buddy?

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Chara did you dig into my meta as promised?

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I'm not scum. Fro99er apparently is either scum or hasheadinass.

Lmao

And he also doesn’t care to figure out which, because he knows which.

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VT is my final claim, yes

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I became convinced Hawk was town so i made up the day vanilla cop thing to stop Transcend from strongarming a hawk lynch while serving the dual purpose of reaction testing.

I became ultra convinced hawk was town by his reaction.

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No lynches overnight please unless it's someone I scum read or someone voting me.

“Or someone voting me”


He isn’t even trying

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Yeah 2iam is town

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hey um gamma if u think hawk is scum why aren't u on his wagon ::::::::::::::((((((((((((((((((((

How come you didn't ask Smocaine the same question?

It's a good point, but it's also a bit whiney and shifting the focus off gamma onto Smocaine.

Filing this away for later.

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Meh, scumteam is Fitz FL. GG

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gamma's not the third scum though

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there's zero chance gamma is the scum

scum neighbor/neighborizer is considered very strong by the NRG (I was part of the NRG). Add in a bulletproof traitor roleblocker plus a town miller and there's no way gamma's role is a scum role.

plus his interactions with mulch and fitz/yankee basically conftown him for me.

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I think this is a pointless statement by you.

bullshit

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K, would you rather me keep it to myself then? What’s the optimal play? Hmm?

it was eventually going to come out anyway

you outing it to incriminate gamma doesn't give you towncred. If anything it's scummy.

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I don’t know how you get me. Mulch and I barely even interacted.

not the main reason I'm scum reading you, but nice try.

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Chara I'm interested in your meta dive results of me

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I don’t know how you get me. Mulch and I barely even interacted.

not the main reason I'm scum reading you, but nice try.

"mulch and I barely even interacted" almost sounds like a buddy claim.

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I don't know enough about Normal game setup to weigh in on it scum Neighborizer is strong or not... Don't mods get a grey or abnormal role/mechanic?

yes, but neighbor/neighborizer isn't abnormal

bulletproof traitor roleblocker might be abnormal ... I think it is (since traitor and roleblocker are roles, not modifiers...so a double role is abnormal)

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2) your claim was so convenient, and the way you made it, then changed it, was a large part of my scumread on you because it all didn't look real

I didn't change it though until the post before the most recent night phase

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3) if your intent was to save Hawk from the lynch, why not just claim day rolecop instead of day vanilla cop? leaving open the option of scum PR Hawk was another reason the entire charade seemed pointless from a town vanilla cop frogger perspective

because vanilla cop is less powerful and not knowing the other roles in the game I figured I'd pick a role that had (relatively) low power

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leaving open the option of scum PR Hawk was another reason the entire charade seemed pointless from a town vanilla cop frogger perspective

leaving that option open elicited reactions I wanted.

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i meant your initial claim not including the odd-day modifier.

my initial claim was that I had more vanilla cop to use. I didn't want to divulge the (fake) way I'd use it later.

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chara who do you think scum is besides fitz?

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hawk, stop with the normal speculation. You're not good at it.

traitor roleblocker is likely not normal even though both are individually normal roles. Two *roles* is probably not normal. For example, a cop doctor would not be normal.

however, it's possible they are using traitor as a modifier like neighbor, so a neighbor doctor is normal, but I doubt it.

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hawk, stop with the normal speculation. You're not good at it.

that sounded mean, and I didn't mean it in a mean way

just that you're not quite getting how the abnormal stuff works, that's all.

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Gamma is an outside shot if the intent of the setup was to allow the scum to neighbourize their traitor

that's incredibly strong though

there's zero shot gamma is scum here.

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two really doesn't read as scum given interactions with mulch/fitz/yankee and knowing transcend townread 2iam as well.

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Frogger: i still think it's Creature. if not him then Two could be last scum. Gamma is an outside shot if the intent of the setup was to allow the scum to neighbourize their traitor, but i don't know how i feel about scum Gamma now considering scum fitz seems an eventuality.
and Frogger isn't scum, not with fitz scum.

lol he already divulged it

that gamma was neighborizer

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as an aside -- Chara you're fun to play mafia with

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disagreeing =/= not fun

both games I've played with you I've enjoyed your presence

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Anyway

here's my reads

Hawk Gamma conftown
2iam solid town
Chara/creature/James Brafin probtown

FL probscum
Hawk confscum

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Hawk is town all the time
2iam I don't think is scum
VOTE: Creature

What the fuck

Two sides of the same coin is the most bungled traitor find attempt ever.

Stop being fucking stupid

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UNVOTE: Fitz i still feel like this is likely but don't want a quick day 3. Too much new information has surfaced.

Fitz has my attention with Mulch ISO since I've been reading that over and comparing to Yankee and Fitz himself.

I'll review a bit more before I jump to creature. Tho I still feel like Creature has been so Lurky and not playing to his town self meta...

OH MY GOD THIS FUCKING IDIOT ASS TOWN

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VOTE: Creature

Lmfao

This dude is obvscum

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Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

yes, it's a normal game.

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Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

yes, it's a normal game.

that doesn't mean anything, there was a traitor who was cut off from their team entirely beyond wincon in a game I played

Not a normal game.

And if it was a normal game t would have flipped with the role pm as cut off.

I was part of the NRG. I promise you I’m right.

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ah, i was under the impression normal guidelines meant scum know to look for their traitor.
is that not correct?

It is correct. That is normal.

If it was otherwise it would have to be flipped in the role PM.

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“Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops”

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Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

As much as I agree with those two being high on the list this gives me a bad vibe. It just feels too easy of reads. Does that concern you at all 2iam?

WHAT THE FUCK

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Your replace in looks good

NO IT DOESNT

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VOTE: Frogger

Fuck this idiot-ass town

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I’m embarrassed to be a pset of this town that can’t lynch confirmed scum

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Do we know mafia knew there was a traitor?

Has anyone looked at Mulch's iso for hints? Seeing as he DID know who the mafia were?

yes, it's a normal game.

that doesn't mean anything, there was a traitor who was cut off from their team entirely beyond wincon in a game I played

Not a normal game.

And if it was a normal game t would have flipped with the role pm as cut off.

I was part of the NRG. I promise you I’m right.

Game I linked was normal.........

DOESNT FUCKKG MATTER

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READ THE FUCKING NORMAL RILES ABOUT HOWNA TRAITOR WORKS YOU FUCKS

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“Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops”

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“Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops”

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“Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops”

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What's your point about traitors?

THAT THE TRAITOR KNOWS HIS SCUM TEAM AND THE SCUK TEAM KNOWS A TRAITOR EXISTS JESUS FUCK GAMMA FUCK OFF

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Frog calm the fuck down. I meant in the context of d1.

IT LOOKED LIKE SCUM D1 I TRIED TO GET HIM LYNCHED AND YALL FUDKING SID NOTHINF TO SUPPORT IT

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VOTE: fitz

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Why would yankee EVER make the two sides of the same coin post as town

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Fuck off

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VOTE: Creature

Lmfao

This dude is obvscum

Lmao
This fro9 is obvclueless

Explain yankee’s two sides to the same coin post

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VOTE: Theyankeeereeapr

I'm wondering if we're two sides on the same coin, Mulch.

HOW IS THIS EVER TOWN

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Fuck off

Rude

You started it by calling me clueless

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Please lock this screenplay

JFC

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All I know for sure is that Yankee was town.

Explain one town reason yankee says that

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He voted Yankee 5 seperate times. Smoc 3 (including rvs).

Pretty sure

Mulch is known to bus as scum

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Boon is also sitting there on the sidelines

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Meh thats a stupid post he already voted Fitz

Boon is still the other scum

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I'm town

Trumpwrong.gif

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Fitz who are the two remaining scum?

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Oh my god hawk I should have let transcend power lynch you

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it's hella sloppy as scum in hindsight.

Yankee is sloppy

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My god I should have let hawk die

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I’ll eat flies if i’m wrong

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No, when I wanted to get yankee lynched mulch suddenly decided yankee wasn’t the lynch

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Meh thats a stupid post he already voted Fitz

Boon is still the other scum

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I'm voting who I (and many of you iirc) think is scum.

OH LOOK AT ME IM TOWN BECAUSE IM VOTING WHO MANY OF YOU THINK IS SCUM

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Lynch noted.

I'm town.

Nice mislynch you pushed Fro99er. Obvclueless.

If you are town then I’ll eat flies

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How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT

How did you vote a confirmed miller when mafia miller is strictly forbidden in normals?

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Good game scum (mvp FL).

Says the guy who had reads even worse than mine

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I mean, I didn’t play great but I definitely would have nailed FL which is why he had to kill me, and I felt I did a good job of recognizing town Hawk when everyone else wanted him hung D1 just for claiming miller and I recognized town gamma and scum FL before I died.

Fitz is just salty i pushed through his lynch

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Game was balanced fine

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I love Fitz’s saltiness

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GG FL. You def made the right kills

I had fun this game with a fun playerlist

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You’re fine gamma don’t sweat over it <3

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Yeah I agree there FL on that part. It’s swingy-ish

I voiced game possibly being over D2 in the first review I did and got laughed out for it, and decided being a part of the NRG wasnt for me. I think we’ll just have to expect games can end D2 in 13p normals here

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Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

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yeah, I agree with everything you said mhsmith -- and like I said, balance-wise I thought it was fine, so you're not gonna get an argument from me there on the run it 100 times over (I'm a statistician for a living, so I prefer to live in larger sample sizes anyway )

I also just personally prefer less swing where it can't end on D2 in a 13p game (or has a really really low shot of it), but that's me. I thought this game maybe had a bit higher of a chance than I'd care for.

One way to counter designs that need a ton of town power is by having less scum power so you don't have to give town as much power as well. Not quite sure how I'd do that here (limit the roleblocker to non-consec or 1-shot or something then reduce town accordingly?), but I'd have to think more on that.

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^thats not a bad idea (ascetic for encryptor)

Obviously encryptor was put to discuss the traitor stuff so as to not lynch their unknown teammate, but a good scum team should be able to work around not having day chat in a traitor setup.

PEdit x2

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Oh I forgot to say thank you screenplay for modding! It was fun playing with all of you.

100% this!

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Again thanks everyone for playing.
It went a long ways for it being unbalanced. Lol.
Hope I didn’t fuck up anywhere.
And thanks Assemblerotws for being my backup.

you did great!

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But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.

I don't think you play average in general. I'm pretty sure anti was also just talking bout this particular game.

I thought this game was maybe slightly above average, but overall I agree you're generally a strong scum player.

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But yes, I am now taking pre-in’s for my Mini Normal!

yes please!