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VOTE: TheYankeeReaper

Dumb reason to vote someone.

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Are you suggesting we lynch Gamma Emerald? He is the only one aside from you to have posted so far without being voted.

If he's not suggesting it, then I am.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

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Apparently you can't read your own posts.

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I'm suspicious of people who don't take time to form reads.

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Apparently you can't read your own posts.

Looks like two’s got that Dunker fire.

Is that a good thing?

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VOTE: hawk

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Honestly if anything mulch looks town

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If people are scummy there's nothing wrong with that.

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Hope you like my new avatar.

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I kind of agree, but day 1 people grasping at straws is normal.

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If people are scummy there's nothing wrong with that.

What’s the point in even playing mafia if there’s nothing wrong with being scummy? The point is to find scummy people, and kill them off.

It sounds like an attack to me. And word twisting.

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Because I never said there's nothing wrong with being scummy. I said sheeping isn't scummy if you're sheeping town and lynching scum.

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It was a typo I meant if the people they are lynching are scummy there's nothing wrong with that. I was probably phone posting.

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Hawk needs to be lynched. You don't claim miller after you're being wagoned.

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Also Mulch is conftown.

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Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

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Also Mulch is conftown.

Based off of??

That you're scum.

But I'm not scum.

Yeah that's what Al Capone said.

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No way Hawk doesn't know to claim miller first post. I don't buy it and I'm pretty good and spotting fake claims.

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Miller is a negative utility role. Allows you to have more useful roles in a setup.

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Mulch last game I scumread you and you were scum so you can't fault me for that. Maybe I'm just getting better at reading you.

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Swoon.

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I'm sure he's been in a Miller game before.

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Who knows just a guess.

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Hmm okay. I'll consider that.

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Also it means he didn't look up Miller in the wiki either.

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You know you're not supposed to fake claim as town right?

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He's probably trying to meta town himself.

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Which post

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Which post.

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Not for the sake of it I don't like town who lie.

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I played with Hawk in another game and he didn't seem a poor player at all.

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Suspecting people purely on weather they interact with you is somewhat egotistical.

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You.

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don't say 2in10.

Call me what you wan't just don't call me late for dinner.

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Transcend purposefully lying (possibly as town) and then asking people not to meta him seems disingenuine.

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You're admitting to being disingenuine?

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dogs don't have hands they have paws.

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Hawk>Locke>Creature

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The scum team.

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I see FL is posting in other games and not here and I have seen him lurk as scum(and use excuses as a reason for lurking).

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Well than basically I guess should just give up.

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lurking is not NAI in general, even if it is NAI for said player, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into.

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OMGUS much?

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

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I'm quite aware that my scum reads might not be scum this early in the game. So it's worthwhile to push more than 3 spots.

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Sticks and stones...

you're saying you are town but you are not acting like town.

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Flavor Leaf behaving like a 10 year old is not something I am used to seeing so I am not inclinded to change my vote at this point

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Like you wouldn't say that as scum.

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Why? 4 votes and no explanation?

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3 whatevs

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Not on the top of my list but I can go with it.

VOTE: tyr

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Okay, for right now here's my reads:
Scumlean: Smocaine, Transend, Yankee, Gamma, 2in10^6
Townlean: Mulch (This reminds me of my first game with him), Creature(Because I know things), Flavor, Locke

If anyone wants an explanation let me know, but I'm really bust today and may not post again until later in the evening.

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Okay, for right now here's my reads:
Scumlean: Smocaine, Transend, Yankee, Gamma, 2in10^6
Townlean: Mulch (This reminds me of my first game with him), Creature(Because I know things), Flavor, Locke

If anyone wants an explanation let me know, but I'm really bust today and may not post again until later in the evening.

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Oh well guess images don't work.

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TYR was engaged during RVS but once actual stuff happened he hasn't wanted to say anything.

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The thing I don't like about FL, is like if you're playing the field with lots of women. You shouldn't have to say you're playing the field to impress people.

Likewise, if you are town you shouldn't have to say you are town. Other people should be able to see it.

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FL is actively avoiding this thread. He's going higher on my scum list.

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Not really,you're not on the top of my scum list.

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Mulch
Chara
Gamma Emerald
Smocaine

Fro99er
James Brafin
Transcend
Locke113
Creature

TheYankeeReaper
Flavor Leaf
Hawk

[TwoInAMillion]

So vote him then.

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I'm downgrading James. I cannot support this wagon

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Towngrading

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Ugh townreading.

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I'm 6-4 as town and 2-1 as scum. I think I know what I'm doing.

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i love you too, mulch.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Note moving my vote the rest of the day.

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Flavor Leaf is lurking scum.

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^scum...no reason to be invested less in this game than another.

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^scum...no reason to be invested less in this game than another.

I disagree. My other games don’t have you in them.

What he means is, he's not being scumread in other games. AtE much?

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^scum...no reason to be invested less in this game than another.

this is silly.

pedit: why are you townreading this, Transcend?

Why are you scumreading me? He's totally ignoring this game for no apparent good reason. And when he does post he says stupid stuff like "you're ignorant town" and "I'm going to replace out".

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let's watch the discussion of ongoing games? by which i mean, stop alluding to them entirely.

It's okay to discuss activity in other games as long as you are not discussing specific games. FL is the one that mentioned my presence in other games which crosses the line.

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I've townread you before FL so it's not like I'm scumreading you for the sake of scumreading you and not listening to logic. You're acting scummy, plain and simple, and are responding by saying it's not NAI because you do everything as scum. That's terrible logic and something you can say to anyone who scumreads you at any time.

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I'm not tunneling aimlessly, I have plenty of aim.

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Lurk reasoning is good reasoning when you have a normaly active player that you have seen lurk as scum before. You're just attacking the attacker.

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I'm not the only one scumreading you, dear. You're attacking me because you think I'm low hanging fruit.n You're the one that says "you do everything as scum", so you can't blame people for scumreading you if you are acting scummy.

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My reasoning is he's lurking and I've seen him do that as scum recently. If he says he does everything as scum so that means it's not scummy, then that tells me he cares more about meta building than scumhunting which is inherently scummy.

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90% of what happens day 1 needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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i feel like there are scum on this wagon.

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Depending on how many scum I don't like scum fuled wagons.

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Maybe he just flaked the site and is town.

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Darn, the government shutdown is over.

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fitz is reaper your alt?

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your post said havingfitz(the town reaper)

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Usually mulch is a hyperposter so his recent lack of activity definately raises some eyebrows(not that I want to look a gift horse in the mouth).

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FL is the correct lynch.

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Why is it bad to encourage a vote on my scum read?

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Why is it bad to encourage a vote on my scum read?

Because you were encouraging him to vote town.

How do you know?

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^ my role pm.

Right, well you would say that regardless. So calling me "bad" for encouraging a vote on your predecessor doesn't mean much.

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votes on you are not bad if you say votes on you are bad because you are town. That is circular reasoning.

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I might be open to a fitzlynch.

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How is gamma scummy?

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So you're OMGUSing him.

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And that's okay?

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I kinda feel like it was a valid FOS myself.

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I kinda feel like it was a valid FOS myself.

Why

Because you normally post 50 posts a day and you were posting like 1 post a day.

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whatever.

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You don't post more as scum you're more agressive and argumentative there's a difference.

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This is a bad wagon. Look at the common threads in the James/Gamma wagons and you'll find the scum.

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Leaf always leaves me at the alter.

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I can tell you right now that Transcend is going up on my scum list.

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I wouldn't believe transcend if he was the last woman on earth.

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Sometimes they say things that are true. Rarely but sometimes.

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So two why is my logic wrong about gamma being scum

I don't know I can't follow your logic it's getting shrouded behind your two false claims.

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1) How excited are you for this game?
--I try to keep a high level of emotional investment in every game I play because it annoys me when people quit.
2) Where did you hear about this site/where did you come from?
--I heard about it from my brother. My brother heard about it from a movie forum that plays movie related mafia games.
3) If you had to bet the game on one player's alignment who would it be? Basically, who can you read best?
--Flavor Leaf scum. The player I read easiest is Mulch.
4) what aspects of your play do you seek to improve?
--Townblocking, presenting cases, lylo.
5) What is your general scumhunting mindset?[/quote]
--Detach yourself from the game emotionally and think logically about weather the motives of what players are doing is pro-town or pro-scum. Listen to other players when it makes sense to do so.

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I CC MILLER. BULLDOZE HAWK NOW.

Claim: Even Night Gunsmith

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Because scumTranscend townGamma makes more sense than TownTranscend ScumGamma. I've seen Transcend fakeclaim as town but it was extremely anti-town play and I don't think he would do it again as a rule unless he is playing against his win condition.

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yeah again disingenuous. Like shooting from the 3 point line and asking the defender to stay at the free throw line.

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It seems like he's looking for attention, which is anti-town.

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It seems like he's looking for attention, which is anti-town.

Why not contribute instead of just making snarky emojis?

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It seems like he's looking for attention, which is anti-town.

who cares?
i don't care what Transcend does or whether it's anti-town. i care if it's town or scum. why is getting attention something scum want to do? this should be null.

Because town try to cooperate with other town to find scum rather than bring attention on themselves. People that act anti-town tend to be scum, or at least hurting their team.

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lol no one is forcing you to answer.

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GammaisObvtown, James is obvtown, Mulch is , Chara is obvtown, FL and Transcend are scum, everyone else is up in the ari.

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I'm not an alt. I have all my games published on my wiki.

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I don't see a lot of votes on fitz or creature.

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Creature is a null for me not a scum read so I am hesitant to vote him.

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Where did anyone say to stop playing the game. He said wait for his vote.

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@FL: I've looked elsewhere. It doesn't mean I think you're less scummy.

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I can be persueded, but there have been lots of bad wagons this day 1 and I'm more inclined to think they are scum driven and that I am correct with my reads. All games are different and this is just how this game is playing out for me personally. No one has given a good case for townFL.

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Explain your Transcend read, please.

Don't like his joke fake claims mostly.

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ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

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ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

Why are you more worried about what you look like than finding scum?

I'm worried about both. I can't find scum if I'm lynched.

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ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

being on a mislynch doesn't make you look like scum

sitting on your ass while one of your two strongest professed "townreads" gets lynched DOES make you look like scum tho

Well if it's a damned if i do damned if I don't scenario there's not much I can do about that. I'm going to lynch my scumreads not null reads or townreads unless someone presents a really good case.

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I'm trying to be more of a leader than a follower. I get that people are resistant to that but I think I'm better than I get credit for. If I take the back seat and do what everyone else wants and then town loses the game that doesn't get us anywhere.

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I'm trying to be more of a leader than a follower.

given that no one is following you, you're failing at this

Obviously. But it's not going to stop me from trying and my cases aren't any worse than anyone elses. If I'm forced to compromise at the end of the day I may do that but it's a little early for that imho.

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You don’t push play, Two. You push personality, which is the epitome of NAI.

That's not true. I'm just of the opinion that most day 1 activity is pretty worthless as far as indicating alignment.

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I get what you're saying, FL. I just think you could do a little less tunneling and a little more townbuilding.

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1. Not avoiding questions. May have missed something.

2. I don't like day 1's. I try but my logic probably seems off. I get it.

3. See #2.

4. Don't like the wagons. Why should I join them?

5. Not true, I am very interested in scum hunting. But if you're not self aware of how your wagons look you're not playing well.

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Mulch presents a good case on Smocaine.

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VOTE: Smocaine

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And I'm gonna do the same thing that my 11 year old does when he annoys me, ignore him.

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I think the Transcend night kill points to an experienced mafia team.

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I'm inclined to believe frogger.

VOTE: fitz

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All I can say is i've seen boon use outside excuses to lurk as scum. Not saying that's what's happening today.

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Are you serious? I just said we have an experienced scum team and FL/Boon is suspicious.

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I feel like Fitz and FL are giving a "I'm town because I'm town" argument.

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Why would you have killed anti?

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I feel like Fitz and FL are giving a "I'm town because I'm town" argument.

K, then you don’t read. I’m explaining literally everything.

You're literally doing no scumhunting just whining.

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I am always suspicious of anyone who self metas.

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I think your play should indicate if you are town or scum not what a player says about his own meta.

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I think your play should indicate if you are town or scum not what a player says about his own meta.

I’m pretty sure other people would agree with my self meta too.

If you "do everything as scum" why would everyone agree with your self meta?

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Is the guilty real?

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James has confbias.

VOTE: Mulch

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I guess Anti is dead tomorrow.

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Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

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Havingfitz and Flavor Leaf are my top suspects.

VOTE: Havingfitz

As much as I agree with those two being high on the list this gives me a bad vibe. It just feels too easy of reads. Does that concern you at all 2iam?

Not really, I call it as I see it.

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Fitz is grasping at straws here. No reason we should keep him alive "just because".

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Fitz is grasping at straws here. No reason we should keep him alive "just because".

I'm not grasping at shir. I'm town and would prefer we lynch scum today.

Your presence on my wagin is lazy as he// too. Why are you voting me?

What's your read on Creature?

Because your predecessor claimed MIller after he was being wagoned and you havent done anything that towny imho.

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Sorry my bad.
UNVOTE:

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Why are we lynching fitz again?

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Why are we lynching fitz again?

lol kinda useless question at this point

Lynching a player doesn't require a reason?

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I still think FL is scum because he's been more active elsewhere on the site.

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Hawk is the third scum most likely.

but it could be sheep.

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It could be creature. I still don't like Hawk's claim.

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Okay, well I can go with that for now. I've been wrong before.

What about sheep/james?

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i think i remember Mulch buddying Two somewhere, but i can't find it in his ISO. i'll do it when i'm on my laptop, unless someone knows what i mean.

He didn't buddy me, I buddied him. I thought he was town day 1.

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So why so much more active in the neighborhood than here?

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In the neighborhood you are the highest level poster. And you were active in the neighborhood as scum in the game I modded, too, while lurking in the main game.

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Enough of this. If FL is town he is doing a terrible of job of acting like it.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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Well if you feel like you're conftown...

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Didn't you learn from yesterday it's bad to speedlynch?

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I was townreading Chara but the readlist makes me doubt him.

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scum!boon manipulates. town!boon townbuilds and tries to solve. This seems a lot more like scum!boon.

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I need to find a way to be more convincing...

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Well played, FL. I am definately not backing off next time you are scum with me.

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I thought they were good reasons but they obviously weren't. Will have to be more thoughtful of NAI in the future.

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I'll pre in