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Post Post #1919 (isolation #200) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:37 pm

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In post 1917, Chara wrote:
@Srceenplay: thank you. <3


the tldr of Flavor is his reads are too convenient, if that wasn't clear.
My reads are too convenient? It’s literally POE.
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #201) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:40 pm

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In post 1901, Flavor Leaf wrote:People know my relationship with Mulch. There’s no way he wouldn’t have signaled me if I was scum and he was traitor.
Like, this is what it really comes down to. Call it whatever you like, but there’s absolutely no way that Mulch wouldn’t have signaled me in any way if I were one of his buddies this game.
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Post Post #1927 (isolation #202) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:47 pm

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To be honest, I always thought Two had a good chance at being town, I was just being obnoxious. I said this to Gamma in the neighborhood when it was just him and I still, so day 2 ish.

I still wanted him lynched. I’ve had games where I wanted to lynch conf town because I had a better chance at winning that way. I still agree in the game had we lynched the confirmed town, town would have won.

You are misrepping with that and trying to force holes.

Literally none of my prior reads matter. I reevaluate my reads every day with more info in the game.

Everything changed when I this was confirmed to be a traitor game. Mulch guiltied you out, and the only possible way you can win is Bynum lynching me, so I get you gotta do what you gotta do.

But objectively, our entire neighborhood is town.

If Two is scum at this point, I’ll give him the win because he duped so many people to thinking he’s like obv town.

Gamma doesn’t make sense to back off of me and try to defend me if he’s scum.

Hawk is miller.

Literally nothing else matters in this game for me now.

The remaining scum are 100% in Chara, Creature, Sheep.
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #203) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 1929, Chara wrote:
In post 1927, Flavor Leaf wrote:You are misrepping with that and trying to force holes.
i'm misrepresenting you?
i'm misrepresenting your hood-only information that i hadn't seen?
rich.
No, I’ve already said it in thread. This is leaving out more information.
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #204) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 1928, Chara wrote:
In post 1924, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why wouldn't Flavor suspect Creature with everyone else if he were scum is my question.
i see a lot of rhetoric from Flavor on why he has to be town, and nothing that's convincing me his reads are genuine. the focus on his own image this game makes me think he's just cultivating it.

pedit: i'm not sure. did Flavor bring this up himself in your hood, or is this something you came up with independently?
None of my reads are genuine?

Lol, explain why any of my town reads aren’t genuine please.
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #205) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:51 pm

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In post 1918, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1915, Chara wrote:where exactly did this major scumread on me develop, Flavor? if you had me, fitz, and Two as the scumteam over Creature.
i saw Two was town for you as of , why do you think that?
It’s POE, mixed in with that Mulch post really.

Gamma has done anti scum things in the form of not pushing me for calligraphy him out for him wanting to be masons with me.

I feel hawk is town with the Miller claim.

Two is stubborn town.

Literally leaves you, Creature, and sheep. From my perspective, it doesn’t matter what my reads were before because the other three are lock town for me. You guys weren’t.

Mulch’s easy read post only would incriminate anyone if he flips.

I’ve caught traitor crumbs like this before. It sucks for you guys, but yeah.
I said everything right here, so you neighborhood only comment is crap. I basically say everything in this thread that I say in the neighborhood anyways.

Only thing I’ve stated in the neighborhood that is t here was asking Two a question about Creature. I believe everything else stated in neighborhood has been in thread.
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #206) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:52 pm

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The neighborhood is only at Page 4.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #207) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:53 pm

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In post 1934, Chara wrote:
In post 1927, Flavor Leaf wrote:Literally none of my prior reads matter. I reevaluate my reads every day with more info in the game.
i am not scumreading you for inconsistency.


town should be able to explain why they held a read at a given time. i asked why Creature wasn't a scumread for you, you said because Two was scum. now you say Two wasn't really a scumread for you, you were just exaggerating it. fine, but then why wasn't Creature a scumread?

your reason for why i'm a scumread
now
is PoE, which doesn't answer why i was a scumread
then
.
Don’t remember. That was a long time ago, and I wasn’t too invested in this game.

As scum, I’d be able to answer that in an instant. Scum is easier to explain your reads than it is when you are town, so I don’t understand this process you’re going through.
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #208) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:54 pm

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I was actively putting this game at the bottom of my list until late game because I was sick of Two.
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Post Post #1940 (isolation #209) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:55 pm

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I feel I’ve stated that I didn’t care about this game because of Two already? Am I wrong with that? I feel I definitely said that.
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Post Post #1944 (isolation #210) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:01 pm

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In post 1941, Chara wrote:
In post 1937, Flavor Leaf wrote:Don’t remember. That was a long time ago, and I wasn’t too invested in this game.

As scum, I’d be able to answer that in an instant. Scum is easier to explain your reads than it is when you are town, so I don’t understand this process you’re going through.
scum are faking their reads, town are not. explaining a genuine read is the
easiest
thing to do in a mafia game, even if that answer is 'gut', or 'i don't remember'. you keep talking about how you'd do things differently as scum, which tells me nothing but that you're aware of your scum meta.

pedit: if you don't remember why you weren't scumreading Creature or why you said you were scumreading Two, then i'm damn well allowed to not remember whatever
you
said about Two at some point earlier in the game.
I disagree with this. Ive been told my strongest part of my scum game isn’t my genuineness. I personally feel it’s easier to have a legit read as scum than town. It’s why when I’m scum I can push through and make sense of things that should be tin foil theory.

the answer is I don’t remember. I’ve already said that.
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #211) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:03 pm

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In post 1942, Chara wrote:ok, i actually got pissed off for a moment. and here i was worried i'd lost that spark.
some townpoints for Flavor. i've yet to get angry arguing with scum. let's see if i'm wrong anywhere.
I presented my case for why I thought scum was you and Creature. I like to think it was a good fine. I imagine from your perspective as town you would agree with me that it was a good find, just not what happened here.
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #212) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 1943, TwoInAMillion wrote:Enough of this. If FL is town he is doing a terrible of job of acting like it.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This is why I will always want to policy this slot.

I feel I’m the towniest I’ve been in a long time.

@Chara - you even said something I did was townie yesterday.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #213) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:05 pm

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In post 1947, Chara wrote:
In post 1944, Flavor Leaf wrote:I disagree with this. Ive been told my strongest part of my scum game isn’t my genuineness. I personally feel it’s easier to have a legit read as scum than town. It’s why when I’m scum I can push through and make sense of things that should be tin foil theory.

the answer is I don’t remember. I’ve already said that.
i believe you on this. and i know you gave your answer. i said that because i didn't like you saying what you
would
do as scum.
but, anyway, this is the part where i take a break and go have some tea. i meant what i said about only getting heated when talking to town.

pedit: not sure if there's a typo in your last post, but town Chara knows it's wrong and not, in fact, a good find, so i'm not sure what you mean.
That’s not something to fault me for, though. I don’t know that it’s wrong.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #214) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:08 pm

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In post 1949, Chara wrote:i probably did. remind me? past Chara is better at mafia.
It was me bringing up Gamma tried to get me to do the mason gambit, and I even brought up the day prior that I thought I knew who the third scum was at the end of Day 2. Day 3 I brought it up because for some rEason I got pushed for outing someone wanted to do a mason gambit.

After I stated I thought Gamma was scum, the way he reacted made me see that he just saw that I was town and trusts me as a player.
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Post Post #1956 (isolation #215) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 266, Mulch wrote:Actually fuck all those teams

Hawk mulch creature town
Froggy probably town
Two million scum
This is my results
I guess this could be some kind of posturing, but I kind of believe Hawk’s Miller claim.
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Post Post #1957 (isolation #216) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 1953, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 1927, Flavor Leaf wrote: If Two is scum at this point, I’ll give him the win because he duped so many people to thinking he’s like obv town.
In post 1927, Flavor Leaf wrote: The remaining scum are 100% in Chara, Creature, Sheep.
eh
In post 1954, sheepsaysmeep wrote:chara feels town after this interaction with boon
For Chara to be town, that means it’s you and Creature as the scum team.
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #217) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:15 pm

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Unless my Hawk/Creature find is onto something. I have to look back to the Miller stuff.
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #218) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:15 pm

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In post 1955, sheepsaysmeep wrote:why do i not see 7 votes on creature yet?
Because we’re debating the game. Day just started. We’ll likely end the day shortly anyways.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #219) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:18 pm

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In post 1960, sheepsaysmeep wrote:that's fypov

in 1953 i didnt really like how you acknowledge that two can be scum then you say youre 100% sure
I don’t actually think he can be scum. I was lowkey making a comment about how Two isn’t capable of doing that as scum, so if he was doing that as scum, he deserves the win because that’s a big improvement.

That being said, I don’t think that’s the case at all.
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #220) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:20 pm

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In post 1961, sheepsaysmeep wrote:there's this part where mulch just lists a bunch of scumteams
feel like if he crumbed it would be there
I’ve been looking through Mulch’s posts all over the place, the only ones that seems like signaling is that Creature/Chara or Creature/Hawk.

I feel like I’m conf town through Mulch’s posts, as is Two.
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #221) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:25 pm

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Did someone say L-1?

VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #222) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:44 pm

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In post 1975, Hawk wrote:Also flavor creature had to go. Can you imagine lynching outside of that today going into 5 left with creature being the person we have left to sort if we get it wrong today?
I was never against lynching Creature today. I stated my intent to hammer pages ago, haha. All my evidence I was shouting out all said ScumCreature.
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #223) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:45 pm

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In post 1977, Chara wrote:
In post 1974, Hawk wrote:Chara why is Gamma scum? What's wrong with the reasoning. Who Neighborizes and opens with wanna Mason Gambit as scum?
i've seen scum neighbourizers do this. it's not really that strange. what exactly is the risk as scum?
This is why I pushed Gamma in the first place.
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #224) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:50 pm

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In post 1982, Hawk wrote:
In post 1977, Chara wrote:
In post 1974, Hawk wrote:Chara why is Gamma scum? What's wrong with the reasoning. Who Neighborizes and opens with wanna Mason Gambit as scum?
i've seen scum neighbourizers do this. it's not really that strange. what exactly is the risk as scum?
Doesn't make sense in the context of the game if you present it as a scum Neighborizer. There was a traitor. scum knew that the Neighborizer would have been a way to get the traitor into a day chat with town. Meaning As scum I would Neighborized people I thought were potential traitors first.

Unless flavor and gamma are the scum team I don't see this scenario playing out with gamma being scum.
If Gamma and I were the scum team, we’d be confirmed not traitors, so we wouldn’t need to neighborize as there would be a PT already.

To be fair, I have had a scum neighborize partner neighborize me. Just letting that be out there.
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #225) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:59 pm

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I’ve literally had a game where I had my scum neighborizer neighborize me and we had so much theatre in there, then in 7p lylo we brought a townie in with us, and got in a hard 3v3 and had said townie vote with us.

We played a fake miller-cop gambit that game too. Was great. Rb was one of the people on the opposite 3v3 as well, and Eddie was a vig that game.

Gambits are awesome. Town and Scum ones.


Also, Scum Neighborizer does make sense in this setup to neighborize your traitor, so there’s the potential for PT talk, but there’s no way Gamma would have thought I was a traitor. He was buddying up to me so hard early game and I called him out for it.

Gives some merit to him wanting to do the mason gambit with me specifically. However, Gamma did bring up wanting to do it with Mulch but Mulch pushed him.
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #226) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:00 pm

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I just can’t see Gamma trying to warlock me, though. (Buddies up enough where he makes me do all the work as town for him and protects him.)
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Post Post #2004 (isolation #227) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:52 pm

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In post 2000, sheepsaysmeep wrote:pagetop

i mean think of it this way
from what i saw boon doesnt have a solid read on gamma before sod2
does town!boon really claim mason with gamma

this isnt really ai imo

boon's play looking like his scumplay though

Lol? Me not coming in until Day 4 is looking like my scum play? I usually end games when I’m scum at this point. Late game as scum is my weak point where I become increasingly more obvious scum. That’s why I have to end games early. My town games do the opposite.
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #228) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:53 pm

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In post 2002, sheepsaysmeep wrote:that's not too easy

boon had basically no read on gamma
would you not find it suspicious if he eventually had to out that he was faking a mason claim with gamma
To be fair, as scum it would be really easy to go along with that mason gambit.

Gamma was white knighting me early hard, and I had “no read” as you say, on him, yet I didn’t push him, yet jabbed a time him a few times.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #229) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:56 pm

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In post 2003, sheepsaysmeep wrote:scum!boon is just full of gambits
look through mini normal 1969
I also haven’t pulled any gambits this game.


Also, people generally say “Gambit Boon is Town Boon.” It’s only recently I’ve been gambiting as scum because it is in fact my town meta, and scum was just becoming too easy. I had a 2 and a half year scum streak.

That’s ended and now people are ultra paranoid of me all the time.

I also rolled scum like 5 times in a row recently, and that’s just tiring man. I’m finally happy to have gotten to my late game town game here.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #230) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:58 pm

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In post 2006, sheepsaysmeep wrote:yeah but
town!you doesnt do that unless you think gamma's town
and scum!you probably realizes this
Sure, but I know I’m town so this is irrelevant for me.

There’s also much more than just that. Mulch would have signaled me if I was his scum partner.
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #231) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:59 pm

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Everything I do as scum is in my town game, but not everything in my town game is in my scum game, if that makes sense.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #232) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:00 pm

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If you want, I can go over every single thing that shows why I’m town. It’ll be a huge post.
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #233) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:01 pm

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In post 2011, sheepsaysmeep wrote:eh link me a town game pls

hawk ive read today and pages 1-7 and like the first few posts of sod2
I’ll look for some during the night.
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #234) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:14 pm

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In post 2020, Hawk wrote:
In post 2006, sheepsaysmeep wrote:yeah but
town!you doesnt do that unless you think gamma's town
and scum!you probably realizes this
That makes no sense...

Scum!Boon wouldn't say shit and just be like yes come into my pocket... you realize if boon is as manipulative as you say he wouldn't need to do the things he did with gamma. Just let him come into the pocket. why call out the white knight as scum!Boon? to imitate his scum game?

If I was town and thought gamma was town I wouldn't call him for white knighting I would note it and be cautious of his buddying. Don't fall into a pocket as town and don't turn away people who want in your pockets as scum...
Yes, I would, lolololololol. Have you seen a Boon scum game?

I literally claimed scum like 4 seperate in my last scum game.

Even when I was scum in the first game I played with Two I was scum claiming, and I threw down a purposeful scum slip that no one caught in that game!!! I was so mad.
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #235) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:16 pm

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But yeah, I’m not all for the mason thing being the only reason I’m town, though, but I’ll give Sheep that one. I totally would. I don’t necessarily think that’s exactly how it happened, and there are other reasons why i am objectively conf town, but yeah.
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #236) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:16 pm

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In post 2024, sheepsaysmeep wrote:hawk is likely town from this exchange
I don’t think anyone was questioning this.
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #237) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:17 pm

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In post 2023, sheepsaysmeep wrote:first of all see how hard youre defending him
that's a reason why he gives up that opportunity there you go

but
think of it this way
so gamma/boon claim masons together
ppl buy it easily
scum will for obvious reasons try to nk one of them
say gamma flips not mason
boon says oh he neighborized me blah blah blah

do you buy that boon, not townreading gamma, ensures that gamma doesnt get lynched anytime soon by doing this

pedit what he said i think maybe if he said what i think he said

I had no clue Hawk would be in the neighborhood with me, let alone defend me like this.

I didn’t have any input on who came into the neighborhood. I just said “Sure.” To Gamma.
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #238) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:21 pm

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I don’t think anyone doubts my ability as scum to go through with the mason gambit, then just say “yeah, we weren’t actually masons, btw.”

I get away with claiming like 6 different times as town. That is definitely not incriminating for me.

You are pushing things and saying “he can’t just...”, but yes, Icould do all those things if I were scum.

I’m not scum, so I didn’t do any of those things.
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #239) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:22 pm

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I’m the WIFOM king. I WIFOM more as town than scum.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #240) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:23 pm

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When i’m scum, I like to do a lot of setup spec. I do as town, also, but I’m better at it when I’m scum, for obvious reasons.
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #241) » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:25 pm

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In post 2032, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 2030, Flavor Leaf wrote:I WIFOM more as town than scum.
so you do as scum?
Pretty sure that’s pretty standard for people to use WIFOM as scum.

It’s also pretty standard that people use WIFOM as town.

I just happen to use more WIFOM in general than most people.

But it’s all good food for thought, especially after flips come in.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #242) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 am

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I’m VT.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #243) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:16 am

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I’ll be back in a couple hours. Wait before any decisions please. I have some things I want to post.
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #244) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:17 am

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Am I allowed to talk about completed Team Mafia games?
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #245) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:55 pm

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I don’t think what I wanted to do matters anymore, I’m just mobile posting so it’s a lot of wor. Wanted to do a color VCA.

Uhm...yeah. Role cop claim here as a goon isn’t that far off. I felt this game was expected to have little to no power leftover.

Why wouldn’t you try to fight Froggy when he claimed Vanilla Cop for so long? Especially after the cop claim came out

I don’t think Gamma would be anything else other than Neighborizer if he was scum.

Role cop make sure this setup overpowered for town, imo. That would mean cop could get a guilty and town clear each other, and if Role Cop was there, both encryptor and bulletproof roleblocker traitor would be a guilty. Bulletproof might not come up, but traitor would.

And a role cop clears a miller making miller a named townie for sure.

I don’t know if it works in this setup.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #246) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:00 pm

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Chara, you said that James was town this game, right? Early on. That was because he’s mislynchable generally and comes off as scummy? I felt the same kind of thing. You say Sheep is being townie, and I absolutely don’t feel he’s being townie. Even if he ends up being town. I might be a little biased since he’s the only one pushing me, and I feel if I’m out of the picture, he can lynch one of you two.
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #247) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm

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Cop would also be confirmed town as a roleblocker. So role cop effectively functions as a second cop this game, with just the neighborizer as a WIFOM role.

I don’t think it makes sense as a town role.

Chara going after Gamma, though, and stating town reads on sheep and I is townie, though.
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #248) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:07 pm

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So...

If Sheep is scum, if we lynch him, game over.
If Sheep is town, if we lynch him, day goes to tomorrow with either Hawk or myself dying, depending on who potential ScumGamma/Chara want on their team. I can even see a no kill potential there from either of them. Chara would play the Gamma did it to frame you, and Gamma would do it hoping he has enough confidence that both of us wouldn’t turn on him. If one of us did in that scenario, it would be okay, since it would be a majority of 4.
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Post Post #2122 (isolation #249) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:10 pm

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Chara would also get another role cop shot for the potential of lying Gamma (or if you thought I was lying, me, I’m confbiasing)

But yeah. I think it’s just Sheep, but I’ve lied down enough stuff in case scum chara/Gamma take Hawk to lylo.
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #250) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:18 pm

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The role cop with a traitor/encryptor and only cop/miller screams fake to me, along with some of the actions, but Chara is incredibly genuine, and I get the decisions that are made.
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Post Post #2125 (isolation #251) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:20 pm

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I want Sheep dead.
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #252) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:02 pm

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In post 2127, sheepsaysmeep wrote:eh it's probably flavor from tiam dying too
It literally made sense from every single person’s perspective to kill two.

And Two said in the neighborhood at the beginning of the night phase that he had changed his mind on Hawk and I.
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Post Post #2129 (isolation #253) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:03 pm

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Two even said in the neighborhood that he thought you were white knighting him, and James was riding him pretty hard. They can confirm that.
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #254) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:56 pm

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VOTE: Sheep

Let’s just do it and worry about the rest if the game continues.

There’s a few scenarios for tomorrow that could happen.

Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.

*Flavor/Hawk/Chara - this pits Chara and I in a direct 1v1 and leaves Hawk to the decision.

Hawk/Gamma/Chara - this pits Gamma and Chara in a direct 1v1. I think this scenario leans Chara scum.

*Hawk/Flavor/Gamma - pits Gamma and I in a direct 1v1.

The two with the asterisks mean i really can’t comment on my thoughts because I have confbias for myself.
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Post Post #2134 (isolation #255) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:57 pm

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There’s also potential for a no kill across the board, but I think every player as scum in this situation would be a viable decision.
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #256) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:59 pm

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In post 2131, Hawk wrote:I only object because I feel like if we're wrong we go to a final 3 of Chara, Flavor, Me....
We’re effectively in the same situation if Sheep isn’t scum, though.
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #257) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:00 pm

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In post 2135, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 2133, Flavor Leaf wrote: Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.
gamma>chara?
In post 2133, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hawk/Gamma/Chara - this pits Gamma and Chara in a direct 1v1. I think this scenario leans Chara scum.
chara>gamma?
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. I wasn’t doing potential NKA for if you were to flip town.
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #258) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:08 pm

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I feel like if I die in the night, Chara would be scum, but if Hawk died, Gamma would be scum.

Of course, scum is going to be able to WIFOM that a bit.
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #259) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:28 pm

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In post 2140, sheepsaysmeep wrote:eh chara's really towny
I already said that, but I think Gamma is townie as well. It’s why I just think you are scum.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #260) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:37 pm

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In post 2142, sheepsaysmeep wrote:why gamma towny?
He backed off of me after I ruined his mason gambit, and I feel like I would have been an easy target to push through. Instead he stated a town read on me which felt completely against a scum agenda. For me to believe he is scum, I’d have to believe he buddied me hard enough from the very beginning with his incredibly white knighting where I shaded him, he neighborized me and wanted to do a mason gambit with me, I stated that the third scum read I was talking about wasn’t him in the neighborhood, outed the neighborhood and his wanting to mason gambit, and he was so genuinely sad that I didn’t do the mason gambit, and he was weary of me then, but came around to trust his read from earlier to town read me, and I don’t see that as scummy at all. I don’t think Gamma would put so much trust into me when I was weary of him.
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #261) » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:04 pm

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In post 2147, Chara wrote:
In post 2133, Flavor Leaf wrote:Flavor/Gamma/Chara - I think for me I’d lean Gamma here. But the rolecop if it exists really fucks over scum. Day 2 that would mean that the game could be over from two guilties on the non traitors.
i don't think i understand this.
why does scum killing conftown make Gamma more likely to you?
and why would Chara scum leaving Hawk alive make me more likely scum? he wants me lynched. killing Hawk is the most straightforward thing for scum me to do, he's unlynchable and doesn't believe my claim, and him being conftown plain makes him a good target fod any scum, so i'd have good cover.

Fair enough, but I think that trio favors Gamma more than it does you. It’s really a personal pick on who scum wants to take with them.
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #262) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:56 am

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Yeah, just hammer then. I think it makes sense as to why Mulch was upset with the game in theory to have nonexistent Creature and James as his teammates. Probably hard to feel like the game mattered as traitor.
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Post Post #2181 (isolation #263) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 2179, Gamma Emerald wrote:Subject: Mini Normal 1850 | Mod PT
PenguinPower wrote:
Setup:

=TOWN=

Vigilante
Doctor
Cop
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Vanilla Townie
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=SCUM=
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Spoiler: Vanilla Townie
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You may heal one player (other than yourself), from one kill, every night. If this person is attacked, you will save them from the brink of death.
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You allow you and your mafia buddies to communicate during the day.
You win when the town faction is dead, and you have at least 1 mafia member left remaining.
Your partners are,
{name then role}
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Spoiler: Mafia Roleblocker
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Each night you may choose to roleblock one player, preventing them from using their roles ability that night.
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I'm going to start setup spec with this basis. Roles modconfirmed in this game are Cop, Mafia traitor bp rb, mafia encryptor, along with 5 flipped vts. Here's where I'm standing on this, starting from the other game. Cop Doc and Vig are very powerful TPRs. Mafia roleblocker is a strong scum PR, and encryptor is a somewhat strong scum PR (enables daytalk not visible to town, which allows more advanced and skilled play). In this game, we allegedly have town nieghborizer and rolecop on top of the cop, and the mafia rb is replaced with a bp rb traitor. I feel like the removal of the rb from scumchat is a balance to the fact RC and neighborizer are not as strong of town roles as doc and vig, since it reduces ability to PR hunt and find good targets for the rb ability.

You’re saying RC is not strong, but with an encryptor and a traitor, that’s 2 automatic guiltiest from RC, and a cop/Miller Result is auto town. It’s not as full on as the cop, but it is still able to have the game ended by Day 2 by pure swing in this setup.
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #264) » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:59 am

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I’m not saying necessarily that the game doesn’t have that, but roleblocker definitely isn’t as powerful in this setup as you’d think.
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Post Post #2197 (isolation #265) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:52 am

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Oh. I should probably post in the main thread instead of just the neighborhood so i don’t get prodded.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #266) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:15 am

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In post 2198, Hawk wrote:I'm here. I'm not exactly sure where I stand but I'm more confident in one particular vote than anyother....
:shrug:

I’ll vote Gamma whenever. If you are leaning me, then we’re in a triangle, and it’ll show where the scum actually is.
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #267) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:17 am

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Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #268) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:19 am

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I feel like he felt he couldn’t go up against me, so he’s trying to get me to see his side instead of 1v1 me, which is what was being semi setup yesterday.

Mafia Miller is rude, so if you’re a Mafia Miller, you’re gonna get a rude win.
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #269) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 am

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In post 2203, Hawk wrote:Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??
No reason to. No reason not to.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Gamma already is very aware.
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Post Post #2205 (isolation #270) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 am

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Post Post #2207 (isolation #271) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 am

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In post 2202, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2200, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.
Pardon? I don't get what you're trying to say. The gambit couldn't have been done n1, and if I claimed ascetic later than day 1 then eyebrows wouldv'e been raised.
Honestly this feels rather opportunistic, using the fact no one checked me to create an accusation of being ascetic.
And if I wanted to set up a lylo, I'd probably do you + 2iam, not you + Hawk. There's also the fact that Chara consistently suspected me, so why not kill them say night 4?

What do you mean opportunistic? Ive been actively denying that I think that Hawk is scum, meaning you are the scum for me. You even questioned why I was lock scum’ming you.

Frogger also died after his Vanilla cop/vt stuff was coming by when Froggy didn’t really need to die, so that was likely a fear paranoia kill also.

Two was obv town at the point, and I wasn’t necessarily making it to 3p lylo. I feel like chara’s Rolecop claim changed things.
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #272) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 am

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In post 2206, Hawk wrote:Paranoid much? I understand you said you have a track history with Miller's. But still...
Bare with me for being paranoid. Mafia Miller does fix the setup from being broken, as does ascetic Neighborizer.

But I feel like Mafia Miller is as close as you can get to a mod lie in a normal.

And even you have to admit that you were a little scummy at the end of the day phase, but if I lose to another miller claim.

Unless Chara lied about role copping you, which I guess could have been town survival technique, and Chara did bring up they would consider lying to make sense of their actions.

But yeah, my gamma read makes more sense, but i have that rude paranoia of a Mafia miller.
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #273) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 am

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Also, you being there raises tension for me. Had I kept it there, and you were scum, game over. I also feel like you’re keeping both people open.

Gamma is pushing you trying to get me to see that, and will probably jump onto me if you lean on me, so play wise, I see scum agenda on both of you. Setup wise and NKA, I lean Gamma, but if Srceen wanted to play with a Mafia Miller, then yeah, it makes sense of the game.
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Post Post #2217 (isolation #274) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:39 pm

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That’s actually not a dangerous thing at all to say as scum.

“If he is scum, then they don’t have an encryptor.” Why would that incriminate him at all? That would make him look better.

Like I said before, role cop and cop together with a traitor/encryptor on the team is absolutely not balanced because of the potential for end game Day 2.

Role cop targets Encryptor, boom. Cop targets the non traitor, boom. That is literally game over for the scum team. Ascetic neighborizer counters this because it can’t get direct guiltied, and roleblocker synergizes well with that. Mafia miller effectively takes the role of a godfather, similar to how a mafia doctor is inno’d by a gunsmith, so that’s kind of neat.

“Have to figure out which one is true.”
“Don’t know how to convince you it’s flavor.”

Honestly, i feel i’m the deciding vote here, not you, Hawk, so I don’t understand that trajectory.
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #275) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:43 pm

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@Gamma - play wise, I vote Hawk. But the mafia miller is like...wtf. It’s why I think it’s still you.

If you’re scum and convince me to lynch a miller, I’d feel super bad...

Also, just a little factoid, I can’t recall a single game that I’ve ever been scum in 3p lylo.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #276) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:48 pm

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Ugh, Gamma. Mulch’s interactions do point towards him being scum more so than you.

I like to think my biggest defense is the fact that Mulch would 100% try to signal me if I was his buddy, because him and I as scum together easily could sweep the game.
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #277) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:52 pm

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In post 1630, Mulch wrote:I was planning on opening today with a false guilty anyway

Townsided setup is townsided
Ugh, if Mulch knew the scum roles of his partners, this incriminates one of you guys a lot. It played with the fact of the claimed Miller, which Mulch was hard pushing Hawk before he claimed it.

Mulch brought up a potential ascetic fake claim.

Hawk’s play yesterday and today is scummy. If he’s scum, he’s leaning me so if Gamma votes me, he wins, and I try to convince him it’s Gamma, so if I vote, he can win.

Him talking about me voting Gamma I don’t like very much.

Gamma, I think you’re warlockin’ me. I might have been swayed off of his play...
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #278) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:06 pm

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Ugh, Gamma originally said he wanted to do the mason gambit with Mulch, meaning he thought about bringing his traitor Mulch into the neighborhood.

Gamma, I don’t like Hawk’s play this page. I feel like he’s waiting for one of us to vote each other.
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Post Post #2222 (isolation #279) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:12 pm

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Him targeting me sets him up for a win because it’ll appeal to you, but I was near lock scumming you.

If I changed my mind, that comes off as scummy.

Chara was town reading both Gamma and myself, yet worried about having to 1v1 me.

I didn’t really have any sort of push on Gamma, and I had lock town’d Hawk.

He couldn’t leave Chara/Gamma together because they were town locking each other.

VOTE: Hawk

Not losing to another miller claim. Gamma warlocked me hard if he’s scum. I let him coast.
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Post Post #2223 (isolation #280) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:14 pm

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I don’t think Hawk expected me to turn like that, but Hawk was town casing Gamma to me basically.

That’s actually what turned me around.

He was trying to convince me that Gamma was town, and I was scum, when I know I’m town. He’s was appealing to Gamma by way of convincing me, if that makes sense, Gamma.
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Post Post #2226 (isolation #281) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:27 pm

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In post 2225, Hawk wrote:Eh if Flavor is town we lost anyway. VOTE: Flavor

Flavor my trajectory is I know my role PM is green.
That doesn’t show the trajectory. That’s just a WIFOM attempt. If I had voted Gamma, you’d have voted Gamma.
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #282) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:52 pm

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You were literally talking about how you’ll be for sure getting to 3p lylo because of Miller WIFOM.

Also, “only pr would be Neighborizer”
False, Cop would be there, and game wise mafia Miller would balance it.

Role cop and a cop together break the game without the basically godfather. No game is going to be swingy enough that it ends Day 2 after. Role cop get encryptor, cop would have to get a non miller non traitor mafia member for the game not to be broken.

Miller as the last mafia member completely fixes the game.

You not voting Gamma locks it in for me. You want me to vote Gamma so you can hammer, whilst still pushing me in case Gamma goes my way.

I think you played well. But you make sense as the last scum after everything that has happened.
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #283) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:32 am

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In post 2258, Mulch wrote:What a game

Flavor leaf amazing
<3

No idea you were the traitor, btw.
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Post Post #2269 (isolation #284) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:33 am

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Cool with pt being released
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #285) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:50 am

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Also, @Two - I legit was just away from the game and wasn’t really caught up, so when you came in and pushed me, it made it easy for me to post and tunnel onto you the first few days.

And yeah, I kill off my threats when they don’t incriminate me. Transcend, Antihero, Frog, all we’re my immediate threats that would have pushed me. Two got townie, and it allowed me to kill there. Chara was the kill that was worrisome for me, but it worked out.
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Post Post #2272 (isolation #286) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:51 am

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Also, I thought Antihero was our traitor. :lol: even after the guilty.

I also slipped hella hard in the neighborhood Day 2.
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Post Post #2278 (isolation #287) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:02 am

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I still don’t like the fact scum could have gotten wrecked Day 2. Role cop on encryptor, antihero on me, that’s game over.
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Post Post #2281 (isolation #288) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:13 am

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In post 2280, Gamma Emerald wrote:WTF
Why is the NRG so dumb
I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.

Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.
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Post Post #2283 (isolation #289) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:15 am

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And yeah, Gamma, I wouldn’t worry about it. I thought you played rather townie, and it was shown with Hawk refusing to ever vote you.

Just made the wrong decision at the end, which I was hard pushing for you to do.
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Post Post #2284 (isolation #290) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:16 am

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In post 2282, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.
:lol:
It’s a big reason I didn’t want Chara in the neighborhood. :lol:
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Post Post #2288 (isolation #291) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:34 am

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I think encryptor being Mafia Ascetic and just not having scum have day chat could have worked, but I tend to like a bit more out there kind of normal games which I understand is definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #292) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:35 am

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I think that might have been my first game as scum in 3p lylo in my 4 years on site.
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Post Post #2302 (isolation #293) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 am

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In post 2298, TwoInAMillion wrote:Well played, FL. I am definately not backing off next time you are scum with me.
I actually was able to hide behind your tunnel on me most of the game, and killing you off even if you hadn’t backed down, still would have been the right move.

You were just pushing things that weren’t AI, and it made it easy for me to go against you.
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #294) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:53 am

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I did just lose two scum games in a row, but I’ve been scum like 9 games of my last like 10.

But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.

You can know I’m scum, but if you’re dead, what does that matter? Everything I say as scum generally makes sense, I feel,

The thing is, it’s more of me just hard to lynch, I feel.

I usually don’t get lynched as scum without being guiltied, and recently I feel like everyone’s just paranoid of me being scum, because my town games have been getting affected because of straight tinfoil theory stuff.

I’m good at 1v1’s, and I’m a Mafia team player, where I feel my true scum ability shows in games like BlackVoid’s scum game, or the game I finished recently where I was scum with Tchill and Aristo. Mulch set me up to roll with the game, really with absolutely no interaction with me.

I thought Antihero was the traitor.
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Post Post #2320 (isolation #295) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:08 am

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To comment on the two scum games in a row I lost, one of them I didn’t even really play much, and my scum member forfeited. A scum team member was prematurely flipped before being L-1, and a comment was shown that incriminated us as scum that i asked to be taken down, and wasn’t, which Mulch then brought up for the exact reason, and the second scum loss was a loss, but I thought I played really well in that one. :lol:

I’m sick of being scum, to be honest. I’ve had like 8 scum games in the past 9 or 10 games.

And if you read me as scum, there’s a reason you were dead. I can be as obvious to you as I want, but if you’re dead it doesn’t matter.

I personally feel I’m a stronger town player than scum, but people are just always ultra paranoid of me being scum now, so my town game is taking a hit so I’ve been changing up my scum play every game.

This was a pretty small effort scum game for me, but if it was a larger effort, I don’t think it would have had the same result, if that makes sense.

I’m strongest when I can mastermind and control the game, and I couldn’t mastermind here.
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Post Post #2321 (isolation #296) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:10 am

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In post 2316, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2311, Flavor Leaf wrote:But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.
I don't think you play average in general. I'm pretty sure anti was also just talking bout this particular game.

I thought this game was maybe slightly above average, but overall I agree you're generally a strong scum player.
This game was hard, haha. I couldn’t takeover and it had a strong town player list.

You seem to peg me correctly nearly every single game, and I hate it. :lol:

You should play with RC and I, have him learn how to town read me.
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Post Post #2322 (isolation #297) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:18 am

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In post 2313, Transcend wrote:Gj boon

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller

You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Happy scum day!

I almost brought up you saying miller claim should never be left alive to the end from Day 1.

I planned on killing you before you asked to be killed, and I thought I was being a pal by killing you off.

You’re also one of the few players on site I have trouble 1 on 1’ing.
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Post Post #2324 (isolation #298) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 2323, Chara wrote:
In post 2284, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2282, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.
:lol:
It’s a big reason I didn’t want Chara in the neighborhood. :lol:
manipulating the neighbourhood was why i kept coming back to scum you, but i never got anything definitive down. damn.
Gamma gave me the opening to go for the lynch on Hawk before Sheep was lynched, and I was already planning on killing you and bringing them into the final 3. I almost *almost* no killed, but that’s a real typical Boon move.
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Post Post #2325 (isolation #299) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:28 am

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This is also the second game in my recent run where I was neighborized Day 1/Night 1 and was able to pocket through that.

Yes, Mulch, I’ve been scum every game except for my IC newbie game since the game you modded, I believe. I am SO burnt out from being scum.
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Post Post #2337 (isolation #300) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:15 am

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Got you three down. :)
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Post Post #2342 (isolation #301) » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:45 pm

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In post 2341, Mulch wrote:Flavor a god
You set me up nicely. <3
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